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nib

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On a different note, this video expresses very well how it is to be gay and someone from a conservative religious background who chooses to stay in the church. It's made by students at BYU (a Mormon university) but I think the sentiment is applicable. It's ten minutes, and I suggest everyone watch it. There are plenty of gay people (or, if you want to be Christianese, politically correct, people who struggle with same sex attraction) in the church who choose to remain celibate. It's important to remember that these people exist.

So, I guess I'm just asking for some conscious empathy in the church. Especially if you're a youth worker, since lots of teens are thinking about these types of things.

It Gets Better at Brigham Young University - YouTube
 
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spacefreak

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first thing GOD did NOT create people being homosexuals, it's a choice that those people made they were NOT born that way, secondly the bible speaks against it. if you need reference read
Leviticus 18 niv version is below
18 The Lord said to Moses, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God.[SUP]3 [/SUP]You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. [SUP]4 [/SUP]You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]“‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]“‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. [SUP]26 [/SUP]But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, [SUP]27 [/SUP]for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. [SUP]28 [/SUP]And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.



as the scripture says homosexuality is a sin plain and simple and GOD hates sin.
 
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Voiceofreason

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It occurs to me that many people here are reading the bible selectively, after all the bible does say many things and I'm sure most of you have cut your hair Leviticus 19:27, and Im sure you break many other rules that are set down, the truth is that no-one can truly see into the mind of the people who wrote the bible, so I would suggest that it is better to try and take the messages of love and peace from the bible, keep an open mind. -Voiceofreason :)
 
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jimmydiggs

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It occurs to me that many people here are reading the bible selectively, after all the bible does say many things and I'm sure most of you have cut your hair Leviticus 19:27, and Im sure you break many other rules that are set down,
All humans break the law of God. That doesn't mean it is irrelevant, or that a person is less of a Christian. Also, there is no dichotomy between old testament and new testament. That is to say, the old testament is not nullified by the new. What you have is a system of covenants, that can be difficult to assess with little scriptural knowledge. Unfortunately, it's a massive problem in churches as well.

the truth is that no-one can truly see into the mind of the people who wrote the bible,
Post modernism is a failure.

so I would suggest that it is better to try and take the messages of love and peace from the bible, keep an open mind. -Voiceofreason :)
Doesn't this contradict your "you can't know anything about the bible" idea? If you can't know anything, how can you know any message of love and peace? Who's definition should we use? Yours? Secular Humanism?
 

G4JC

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[video=youtube;h-p98umv1gg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-p98umv1gg[/video]
 
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AmmiAmmiel

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There is no such thing as a true believer who's a homosexual. Many people believe falsely and this is how they are deceived. Paul speaks extensively about this kind of stuff in his letters. I think Romans is very clear when speaking of homosexuals, THEY WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Homosexuality is likened to witchcraft among other things. I makes no sense to say one is a "Christian Witch" now does it?

I honestly believe there is a great need for separation in the so-called "Christian" Church. There are so many people who say they believe, they may have even convinced themselves they do believe, but if you are in open defiance to the word of God, then you are in no way a True Christian.

I have a lot of experience in preaching the Gospel to people in a state of false belief. And trust me when I say, they do not like being convicted of their sin. I have many times been threatened of my life to stop telling them they are in sin. But sometimes you just have to realize that there is a dual purpose to the word of God, it is a message leading unto eternal life to those destined to eternal life, and a message of condemnation to those destined to condemnation. When you preach the Truth to someone and they do not accept it; the more you preach, the more they deny and the more they are condemned. It is not a fault in the preaching of the gospel for God's word never returned to Him void.
 
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AshDash

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Not completely disagreeing with you comment but I have a question wouldn't that be the same (almost the same) as saying anyone who sin's is not a christian?
 
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Christmusiclover7

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Okay, here's my opinion. Being gay is not a sin. You can still have gay tendencies and love God. The act of homosexuality is the sin. Doing the action of homosexuality is where it's wrong. So, that's my two cents!
 
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Jill34

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Let me comment on Christmusic lover7. A gay is having a desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex.

Matthew 5:28 "
whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart." Note, the guy in this verse has not committed the act yet but the Lord already said, he has committed adultery in his heart. So Christmusiclover7 what would you want to say to the Lord in this verse as you said being gay is not a sin?
 
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[video=youtube;h-p98umv1gg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-p98umv1gg[/video]
"... becauseI have a higher standard on who you date." High standarder, huh? Well that is interesting. Kudos for her having such high confidence that she feels that she doesn't need to back up her claim.

"Now I can't dictate one's life and who they call soul-mate..." Oh, but I bet she thinks her god can.

"The FDA won't hesitate to deny gay men who fornicate the privileged to donate to the blood bank because it violates the qualifications of a safe candidate." The problem here is that this doesn't apply just to sexually active gay men, but to all gay men. Virgins who consider themselves gay can't donate blood. So in this case, it isn't telling people with homosexual urges to avoid acting on them, instead it seems to be telling them to disappear.

Am I the only one who finds it odd that she spends more time talking about HIV than she does about trying to save homosexuals from going to hell? She spends almost 3 times as long talking about AIDS/HIV over hell. To me, this makes it seem like she really doesn't care about the people who have homosexual urges.
 
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Grey

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No one should be ashamed to be Gay.
 

NateDaGrimes

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Yet it is looked down upon by God himself... even the new and old testament speaks against homosexuality so grey are actually reading the bible or just choosing verses you like that does not offend people
 
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Grey

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Yet it is looked down upon by God himself... even the new and old testament speaks against homosexuality so grey are actually reading the bible or just choosing verses you like that does not offend people
I'm an atheist.
 

NateDaGrimes

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oh boy and im an easter bunny...

go get your priorities straight then come back and talk to me.
 
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Elesian

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Not completely disagreeing with you comment but I have a question wouldn't that be the same (almost the same) as saying anyone who sin's is not a christian?
It would be like saying someone who continues in sin knowing it's sin after Christ forgave them and said ''go and sin no more.'' That's what it would be like.
 
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what you choose for your life will be determined by wisdom.
 
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Grey

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If you're the eastern bunny then I'm the unicorn

Job 39:


[SUP]"9 [/SUP]Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?"
 
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jimmydiggs

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If you're the eastern bunny then I'm the unicorn

Job 39:


[SUP]"9 [/SUP]Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?"
What's it like being an Indian Rinoceros?



 
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Grey

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Thats odd, I don't remember Old Testament Israelis living in india...