RH Bill yes or no?
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No. There are some good things as far as I have read (maternal care for example) but other details are definitely bad.
Information about the filipino RH Bill:
Responsible Parenthood and Reproductive Health Act of 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <- link
President Aquino already signed the bill Dec.21, 2012.
Philippines President Benigno Aquino Signs Reproductive-Health Bill Into Law - WSJ.com <-link
NO!
At first I thought this RH Bill is good, I'm all for contraceptives (but only for married couples) if these will stop parents having kids, and not being able to support and give them a good life, good education. I saw a lot of documentaries with these families living in squatters area , struggling to provide food for their 12 kids...kids who at early age are working to help their big family, but tried their best to go to school too, crying and wishing they don't need to do it and jealous to their classmates who didn't need to work. Girls who at a very young age are force to sell their body out of poverty cuz their parents didn't send them to school and these pervert people (excuse my word) and foreigners are taking advantage of it. My heart goes out to these families but at the same time I'm blaming these parents for being so irresponsible. But then, if you would think of it majority of these parents are not lazy, some not just have one,two, but three jobs but still not enough to support their big family, not enough to send their kids to school. Why?because we all know how much you work hard, kill yourself in working especially for small laborers you just didn't get paid enough in this country and some just never get even a single job which lead them to be even more irresponsible. So the question is, does this RH Bill really by all means will make people responsible? I don't think so!
Let's not forget the Philippines is a rich country, so blessed with natural resources, years ago when Philippines got its independence from the US it became top 2 of the most progressive countries in Asia next to Japan but now look where we are,one of the poorest countries in Asia, its people are suffering. We have a lot of brilliant minds but where are they? Working and serving other countries instead of their own country... Now the government is thinking that by funding the universal access to contraceptives it will lessen the poverty rate in this country...sick!
Why can't they just focus on good education and livelihood programs with good pay for those unfortunate ones, improve the poor governance, focus on ending graft and corruption totally which made this country in the first place sucks really, and instead use the RH Bill fund in putting up more livelihood programs so these people can support their big family. I believe Filipinos are hard workers and would do anything for their families, some are just not lucky enough to get a good job, that's why these people need support from the government but not to give them contraceptives but to give them decent jobs!
For how long will this country distribute contraceptives to health centers so these "poor people" can just go there and get free contraceptives so they could have a satisfying sex life without thinking of having a child.They should stop making reasons that they're trying to prevent maternal deaths while giving birth through distribution of contraceptives, trying to prevent death by controlling birth. Not to mention also the negative effects that it brings and young ones are free to have it too, thus, promoting premarital sex. Trying to make a solution by making a bigger problem.
Just sayin'...
At first I thought this RH Bill is good, I'm all for contraceptives (but only for married couples) if these will stop parents having kids, and not being able to support and give them a good life, good education. I saw a lot of documentaries with these families living in squatters area , struggling to provide food for their 12 kids...kids who at early age are working to help their big family, but tried their best to go to school too, crying and wishing they don't need to do it and jealous to their classmates who didn't need to work. Girls who at a very young age are force to sell their body out of poverty cuz their parents didn't send them to school and these pervert people (excuse my word) and foreigners are taking advantage of it. My heart goes out to these families but at the same time I'm blaming these parents for being so irresponsible. But then, if you would think of it majority of these parents are not lazy, some not just have one,two, but three jobs but still not enough to support their big family, not enough to send their kids to school. Why?because we all know how much you work hard, kill yourself in working especially for small laborers you just didn't get paid enough in this country and some just never get even a single job which lead them to be even more irresponsible. So the question is, does this RH Bill really by all means will make people responsible? I don't think so!
Let's not forget the Philippines is a rich country, so blessed with natural resources, years ago when Philippines got its independence from the US it became top 2 of the most progressive countries in Asia next to Japan but now look where we are,one of the poorest countries in Asia, its people are suffering. We have a lot of brilliant minds but where are they? Working and serving other countries instead of their own country... Now the government is thinking that by funding the universal access to contraceptives it will lessen the poverty rate in this country...sick!
Why can't they just focus on good education and livelihood programs with good pay for those unfortunate ones, improve the poor governance, focus on ending graft and corruption totally which made this country in the first place sucks really, and instead use the RH Bill fund in putting up more livelihood programs so these people can support their big family. I believe Filipinos are hard workers and would do anything for their families, some are just not lucky enough to get a good job, that's why these people need support from the government but not to give them contraceptives but to give them decent jobs!
For how long will this country distribute contraceptives to health centers so these "poor people" can just go there and get free contraceptives so they could have a satisfying sex life without thinking of having a child.They should stop making reasons that they're trying to prevent maternal deaths while giving birth through distribution of contraceptives, trying to prevent death by controlling birth. Not to mention also the negative effects that it brings and young ones are free to have it too, thus, promoting premarital sex. Trying to make a solution by making a bigger problem.
Just sayin'...
Imagine those poor orphaned kids wandering around the streets? Im pretty sure most of them are unwanted or "accidental pregnancies".Family planning should be implemented and practiced to avoid unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases. Some say that rapid growth of population in our country is not a bigie but if only there was enough job offers for each and every Filipinos to support their loved ones and other financial needs. The only downside of the RH Bill is that it does promote premarital sex to the younger generations. Hmm... I think parents should also play their role to teach their children that copulation should only be done to married couples.
Maybe precautionary killing of the orphands would work better.
It's a quality of life situation. So maybe give them a really good last meal then better the society.
Maybe we could fatten them up first, so we could harvest them for meat and organs.
Maybe the brighter future only holds for those who have been stamped on the forehead or right hand with a "quality of life attachment".
Sort of like a winner take all, you live type of scenario.
You have the mark of the state(sanctioning your potential quality of life), you live.
If not, tough luck bub, maybe you'll do better in the next.
It's a quality of life situation. So maybe give them a really good last meal then better the society.
Maybe we could fatten them up first, so we could harvest them for meat and organs.
Maybe the brighter future only holds for those who have been stamped on the forehead or right hand with a "quality of life attachment".
Sort of like a winner take all, you live type of scenario.
You have the mark of the state(sanctioning your potential quality of life), you live.
If not, tough luck bub, maybe you'll do better in the next.
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Ahhh, Mr. Swift.
Good choice.A valid point I think, and it's unfortunate that there is room for it to be made.
Promoting the usage of contraceptives to prevent "unwanted poor orphans" is rather Darwinian/Malthusian isn't it...
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Can the government say 100% that these people will use these contraceptives? I heard a lot of guys saying they don't like to use condoms cuz it takes away the pleasure, so is this the right way taxes should go? Funding contraceptives, condoms to the people and might end up to no use? Of course family planning is very important and for me the best way to push it is not through distribution of contraceptives but by giving this single kid a good education so once these kids are grown up and have thier own family they will know how to give their own kids a good education too.
Are we going to sacrifice the problem of unwanted pregnancies to promote sexual immorality especially to young kids? Are the parents should say to their kids nowadays it's ok to have sex just don't forget to bring as many condoms as you want? Nobody can guarantee even how much these parents inculcate to their kids the moral values once they're out with thier friends they won't get the pressure of doing it. Contraceptives are accessible already it's in the market its just that it's expensive for ordinary people and so the government think it would be best to give it for free so eveybody can have it but then can we say 100% that by using condoms girls wouldn't get pregnant?
*Sigh* still.. regardless of what were going to say it's already a law let's just pray we're not waiting for the worst.
Are we going to sacrifice the problem of unwanted pregnancies to promote sexual immorality especially to young kids? Are the parents should say to their kids nowadays it's ok to have sex just don't forget to bring as many condoms as you want? Nobody can guarantee even how much these parents inculcate to their kids the moral values once they're out with thier friends they won't get the pressure of doing it. Contraceptives are accessible already it's in the market its just that it's expensive for ordinary people and so the government think it would be best to give it for free so eveybody can have it but then can we say 100% that by using condoms girls wouldn't get pregnant?
*Sigh* still.. regardless of what were going to say it's already a law let's just pray we're not waiting for the worst.
Uhmm... There are other methods of contraceptives like the use of iud,pills,spermicide,etc.
So My personal opinion is; its for our own sake. Yes GOD wanted us to ' GO AND MULTIPLY" but that DOESN'T literally mean you have to multiply and multiply even if you can't provide your children financially. And where would these less fortunate kids go? They'll prolly end up as vicious criminals living in the streets and harming innocent people for money, with the stupid reason that they’re poor that it’s the only way for them to earn money. RH bill will not force everyone to use condoms and pills. It is just going to make birth control easier and more accessible for the people who want to use them.To avoid unwanted pregnancies, abortion and STD’s. And i don’t have to tell you that there are rampant cases of Pinoys being infected with AIDS. Again, the parents are responsible for the upbringing of their kids.
So My personal opinion is; its for our own sake. Yes GOD wanted us to ' GO AND MULTIPLY" but that DOESN'T literally mean you have to multiply and multiply even if you can't provide your children financially. And where would these less fortunate kids go? They'll prolly end up as vicious criminals living in the streets and harming innocent people for money, with the stupid reason that they’re poor that it’s the only way for them to earn money. RH bill will not force everyone to use condoms and pills. It is just going to make birth control easier and more accessible for the people who want to use them.To avoid unwanted pregnancies, abortion and STD’s. And i don’t have to tell you that there are rampant cases of Pinoys being infected with AIDS. Again, the parents are responsible for the upbringing of their kids.
hehe I know...but are we just going to ignore the side effects of these IUD, pills.. etc? those are even dangerous to women's health...
I don't think generations nowadays are still thinking of having 12 kids, before and today is different...go and multiply is just a reasoning of poor people who have nothing to do but to spend most of their time in their house cuz they don't have jobs and nothing that will keep them busy but to have sex.
Okay, Government provides contraceptives, I just don't know for how long they will waste money to provide for its people to achieve the result that they want ... so people use it, young ones use it, but still these are the same people who are starving already, no jobs, no education, ignorant and we already have an existing problem with these kids in the street...rugby boys, snatchers and what does our government do to these? Nothing or maybe did something a little and now the best thing they can think to solve this is give them contraceptives so they won't multiply? of course they will still multiply...Is this really the best thing to do? Philippines already have a lot of good laws they just need to implement it well and we don't need a new one specially this one.
I don't think generations nowadays are still thinking of having 12 kids, before and today is different...go and multiply is just a reasoning of poor people who have nothing to do but to spend most of their time in their house cuz they don't have jobs and nothing that will keep them busy but to have sex.
Okay, Government provides contraceptives, I just don't know for how long they will waste money to provide for its people to achieve the result that they want ... so people use it, young ones use it, but still these are the same people who are starving already, no jobs, no education, ignorant and we already have an existing problem with these kids in the street...rugby boys, snatchers and what does our government do to these? Nothing or maybe did something a little and now the best thing they can think to solve this is give them contraceptives so they won't multiply? of course they will still multiply...Is this really the best thing to do? Philippines already have a lot of good laws they just need to implement it well and we don't need a new one specially this one.
Overpopulation is also an issue. This country has 100 million people today, with a high percentage (can be as high as 40%) of them living below poverty line. Remittances from OFWs will not cover up for all.
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hehe I know...but are we just going to ignore the side effects of these IUD, pills.. etc? those are even dangerous to women's health...
I don't think generations nowadays are still thinking of having 12 kids, before and today is different...go and multiply is just a reasoning of poor people who have nothing to do but to spend most of their time in their house cuz they don't have jobs and nothing that will keep them busy but to have sex.
Okay, Government provides contraceptives, I just don't know for how long they will waste money to provide for its people to achieve the result that they want ... so people use it, young ones use it, but still these are the same people who are starving already, no jobs, no education, ignorant and we already have an existing problem with these kids in the street...rugby boys, snatchers and what does our government do to these? Nothing or maybe did something a little and now the best thing they can think to solve this is give them contraceptives so they won't multiply? of course they will still multiply...Is this really the best thing to do? Philippines already have a lot of good laws they just need to implement it well and we don't need a new one specially this one.
I think it is important to give the public an insight about family planning so that they wont remain ignorant. No wonder our country is included in TOP 10 countries in Asia with the most cases of AIDS coz we refuse to use contraceptives. Yeah, that is why it is very important to inform the public about the side effects of each contraceptives so they can use which is more suitable for them. Uhmm. Not everyone can use natural method of contraceptives because each woman's menstrual cycle is different and factors like diet, stress and age can cause a woman's menstrual cycle to change, it can be difficult to determine the exact time a woman is fertile. Yeah I agree with you, there are other ways to improve the status of our country and I think RH bill is one of them.
We both know how important family planning is, was it through RH bill? Do we need it really to educate public? It isn't that we refuse to use contraceptives, it's accessible but we don't need to regulate our freedom to the extent that we can have easy access to it publicly, especially the young ones. Our country only have a limited budget for its people and I just don't think it's the wisest way to put this limited budget to this law. AIDS is a worldwide epidemic a lot of developing countries are using contraceptives as part of their daily lives, does it eliminate the problem? And we all know having sex is not the only reason why people get infected on it.
I know there are a lot of pros and I respect that, you may all see something really good that those who oppose can hardly understand and accept... we'll just hope there's something good really in it in the end.
Pero ayaw at ayaw ko parin talaga nito hehehehe
I could have expected a reaction of this kind...anyway its not really unfair since it was my bad to uncarefully use the word "overpopulated"...however I do not share the views of Malthus or any idea of dealing with "overpopulation" that has euthanasian implications. I am not in favor of "social" programming to the extent of becoming a tool for governments to control what really they should not. This said, one can use any term he likes, crowdedness, if you will, is an issue, while it may be easy to think of it as no biggie for those who do not live in such.
The major cities here, capitol worst off of course, are today very crowded, in some cases extremely so. Most people will say that it drastically effects their quality of life. As an example ten or more people living on a area of 20 sqm is really not too convenient. The consequences of urban growth is likely something to tackle whatever views one has. PH can really set an example for other countries in the region with making many of its provinces flourishing by more effectively exploiting its natural resources and repopulate agricultural areas going hand in hand with modernized industrialization. HUCing is not the only road available.
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We both know how important family planning is, was it through RH bill? Do we need it really to educate public? It isn't that we refuse to use contraceptives, it's accessible but we don't need to regulate our freedom to the extent that we can have easy access to it publicly, especially the young ones. Our country only have a limited budget for its people and I just don't think it's the wisest way to put this limited budget to this law. AIDS is a worldwide epidemic a lot of developing countries are using contraceptives as part of their daily lives, does it eliminate the problem? And we all know having sex is not the only reason why people get infected on it.
I know there are a lot of pros and I respect that, you may all see something really good that those who oppose can hardly understand and accept... we'll just hope there's something good really in it in the end.
Pero ayaw at ayaw ko parin talaga nito hehehehe
Of course, everyone is entitled to be taught about family planning.Children can cost a great deal of money, if you don't have enough to support all your children you can't feed them, put a roof over their head in a good and safe neighborhood, afford healthcare and to have them get a good education. Actually, our country is very rich in resources but the politicians itself aren't doing anything. They are so busy filling up their pockets.Imagine,our health care system here is horrible and the gov't has no budget for it.
It doesn't totally eradicate the problem itself but it will only lessen the rampant cases of STDS in our country. It is up to the couple to use contraceptives or to abstain from using it. Oh well, everyone is entitled to their own opinions so be it. HAHAHA. I just want to clarify that just bec. I support RH bill then fornication is okay with me.
Years back I'd be heavily opposed to any hint of idea of something like an RH Bil and see no reason to discuss it...now I see the arguments for it and why so many people embrace them. Having been these years in PH and seen this drastic population growth together with increased poverty and its hardships, have made me at least reflect more dynamically on the deeper underlying issues.
This said, however, I do see the downside of such efforts as the RH Bill...what comes with it in the longer perspective might (or if we go by the western examples, which PH tends to want to follow, it will not stop with "might" but it will definitely happen) well be such things as legalized abortion and same sex-marriages and the likes...things which will ultimately also weaken christianity in the country. That's why I would not give any unreserved "yes" to something as the RH Bill.
