Mandatory flu shot or be fired?

[Mediate]

The flu shot is suspended in plasma (usually synthetic). It contains dead or weakened flu virus that your body kills and makes antibodies for.

There is no risk involved with it.

It's good for your body.

Food contains things that your body takes in. As does the air.

What different is there in taking the flu virus in your nose from someone's sneeze, or in getting a shot, except that one makes you badly ill and the other gives you a sniffle and ultimately helps you?

 

[nw2u]

Some folks cannot get the flu shot since it makes them ill. I know a few who are like this. I understand that. I get is every year. I also get a pneumonia shot. I have had pneumonia and don't want to get it again. My doctor advises me to get that shot as well, so I do.

 

[Dude653]

I mean do disrespect to anyone's faith, however, you also have to look at it from the employer's point of view. What if i worked in a bakery and then told them that it is against my faith to handle bread.

 

[oracle2world]

I think your advanced cardiac care unit is worried about patients contracting the flu from caregivers. Maybe due to a patient getting the flu from a caregiver. The patient now pushing up daisies.

You have been given a choice, and now up to you how you decide.

 

[RickShafer]

'The flu shot is suspended in plasma (usually synthetic). It contains dead or weakened flu virus that your body kills and makes antibodies for.

There is no risk involved with it.'

Is that your expert opinion or are you just reciting what you've heard?

At least do some research before you decide powemm.
There are a many self appointed experts on this thread.
If I were you I'd first listen to the ones that provided evidence for their views in the
form of medical studies. - I think I counted two of them.

 

[Mediate]

'The flu shot is suspended in plasma (usually synthetic). It contains dead or weakened flu virus that your body kills and makes antibodies for.

There is no risk involved with it.'

Is that your expert opinion or are you just reciting what you've heard?

At least do some research before you decide powemm.
There are a many self appointed experts on this thread.
If I were you I'd first listen to the ones that provided evidence for their views in the
form of medical studies. - I think I counted two of them.

I form my opinion from the result of having the flu shot among MANY MANY other injections and inoculations over a broad period of my life, none of which have given me any adverse side effects or diseases.

My opinion is also formed from simple scientific studies in the school I attended.

The simple explanation is that the immune system fights off the weakened virus and creates a key-like antibody which means that when the flu virus (whichever strain it may be that you are inoculated for) does enter the body in full force after the host has contracted it, the anti-bodies bind to the receptors in the virus and stop the virus from latching onto anything that can cause it to multiply, hence disabling the virus itself.

If you wish to dispute, use science or at least argument on the subject matter itself, rather than finger pointing because the latter gets us nowhere.

I, personally, know from experience that this shot caused me no harm. There is little reason why anybodys body would react differently than mine did.

How vaccines work - Vaccinations guide - NHS Choices

 

[RickShafer]

O.K. Gandhi,
21 years old with a strong immune system.
Keep taking them, and give it time.
The only two posters on this thread that listed links to scientific studies
were GRA and me.
No emotional responses here.......

 

[Mediate]

Everything that we put into our bodies produces a chemical reaction of some kind.

The effects of those chemical reactions have physiological and psychological effects. It is simple science.

Everything I eat contributes towards some form of even minor change in my body, often unnoticeable.

Eating vitamin C has the potential to give me hives, but without it I'd get scurvy . . .

Having a vaccine for the flu has the potential (albeit slim), to cause some sort of physiological problem for me . . if I don't have it, I will get the flu which could kill me.

 

[RickShafer]

I've never got the flu shot and I rarely get sick, and I'm 48 years old.
The keys to good health are nutrients and exercise.
Vitamin C is like a wonder drug - (read Linus Palling)l, as is vitamin D(sunlight), and the essential amino acids.

 

[Mediate]

Again yes I agree that good health can be maintained with good diet and general physical activity.

Although even with a fantastic diet and regime, I would still suffer if a strain of H1N1 hit me.

 

[RickShafer]

As would I.
I'm just saying I think flu shots are not the best way
to combat getting sick. I think injecting your bloodstream with foreign pathogens
is a bad idea. - (Now for something like Polio, that's different)
H1N1-(birdflu), kills very few people.

 

[Mediate]

It's all the same to me. Whether it's one pathogen or the next, i'd rather have the weakened version.

 

[RickShafer]

I understand.
Can I ask you a question mediate?
Why the gandhi reference?

 

[Mediate]

Well, thankyou fist of all for enquiring instead of judging!!

There was a time in my life when I thought that I was just 'saved' because I said 'Jesus come to me. I want to know you'.

And I thought that after that I had right to point outwardly and judge. 'Righteous judgement',, or 'trying to help others to salvation' I used to call it.

Then I read the story of the Pharisees and thought, 'well actually, that's me'.

You see, I was born like Adam and Eve. Unknowing and unwitting and totally dependant.

And one day, I ate the fruit ( I sinned by disobeying God's command not to disobey Him!) and from then I knew right and wrong.

And every day I would do at least one thing wrong. Sure I felt guilt. I felt angry at myself. But sometimes I even enjoyed sinning or doing things I wasn't meant to.

I had an infantile view of simply 'right and wrong' without circumstance or understanding of MYSELF.

Then I read that the person who searches the heart knows the true mind of the spirit.

I read that to love God and His will, and to love thy neighbour was the law in a nutshell.

I read that love is patient, love is kind, love keeps no record of wrongs etc.

Then I realised, I am NOT GOD. So I don't have the right to jealousy, or to outward judgement because I myself am not perfect.

I realised that it is only MYSELF whose intent I can change. Whose wrongs I can try to cut out. Whose thoughts I can hold captive.

I realised that others of different view or opinion were not there for me to look at outwardly, but rather just to love.

That it was ME that MY CONSCIENCE was made for. And other's for them.

When I came into Christian community, My biggest issue was the judgement that PEOPLE put on me. I felt so much guilt.

I wondered always 'but they are just like me. Imperfect. Faded reflections'.

I promised myself that instead of judging others I would have patience till they saw what I now see.

I found that brackets and sections and religious names and doctrines and differences didn't affect or offend me unless I let them.

I became convicted of LOVE itself.

So I put the picture there to remind myself where I came from and always I tell myself 'Jesus accepted the worst of society into his circle'.

 

[Mediate]

Ghandi said 'i like your Christ (as do I). But not your Chritsians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ'.

 

[GRA]

Everything that we put into our bodies produces a chemical reaction of some kind.

True.

The effects of those chemical reactions have physiological and psychological effects.

True.

Everything I eat contributes towards some form of even minor change in my body, often unnoticeable.

True.

Eating vitamin C has the potential to give me hives, but without it I'd get scurvy . . .

Why don't you take a special shot to prevent yourself from getting scurvy?

Because the natural course of action (vitamin C - "the God-given remedy") is sufficient.

Having a vaccine for the flu has the potential (albeit slim), to cause some sort of physiological problem for me . .

If you do some good research, you will find that it may cause you "a whole lot worse [than that] in the long run"...

(Remember what you said about "unnoticeable" changes in the body.)

if I don't have it, I will get the flu which could kill me.

Absolutely FALSE.

Why do you think that "the flu" is anything special - and somehow exempt from your natural immune system's ability to defend you against it? (small clue ---> 'propaganda')

"If I do not get a flu shot, then I * WILL * GET * THE * FLU"

The whole idea that people will "absolutely and most definitely" suffer "sickness and disease" (and possible death) if they do not get a flu shot -- is completely false and ridiculously absurd.

Yet people believe it. Why? Because they would rather listen to man ('propaganda' -> "the working of Satan, to get you to believe a lie") than God.

Again yes I agree that good health can be maintained with good diet and general physical activity.

Although even with a fantastic diet and regime, I would still suffer if a strain of H1N1 hit me.

NOT necessarily true. If you are healthy enough - even most things like H1N1 would have no effect on you. Why? Because your immune system will take care of it.

But then -- the whole issue here is - will the flu shot itself hurt you?

If you do the research -- I am very confident you WILL find the answer to be YES!



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[chesser]

Just get the shot, if this has something to do with you not believing the flu changes every year because that would prove evolution, then fine! You don't need to belive it's necessary, but just suck it up and get the shot instead of being fired.(sorry if my semi-harsh language offends you)

 

[TruthGreaterThanComfort]

DON'T READ THIS UNLESS YOU CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH MORE THAN YOUR COMFORT.

I'm going to probably sound like I have a bad tone here. Frankly, because I'm appalled.

I cannot believe the number of Christians who are ignorant about the wicked desprate evil that the medical institution comprises and the lies they have worked to cover over and over and over.

I will speak pointedly, because I am fighting so many battles every second, I am running out of time to do differently.

Do not think to yourself that you should just go along with getting a flu shot because "its safe or a wonderful gift". You're fooling yourself. The number of people who get sick or develop new health problems after getting a flu shot is alarming. Most people know someone personally who has gotten sick after a flu shot. If you don't realize what that means, maybe you should consider that the medical institution keeps beating everyone up saying "Clinical studies show that less than 1% of people might have a reaction." Bull. That is a flatout dogmatic clear lie of what's really going on in the world. If that was true, then I wouldn't be able to meet numerous people everywhere who get sick when they get flu shots. This should waive a red light about the little distortions the medical institution makes, people.

And on the flu shot being so wonderful (as some people think they are). Maybe you don't know about MLM or oxygenating chemicals? There are numerous suppressed and dirt cheap cures out there that wipe out WAY more harmful pathogens than any flu shot does. If you think the pharmaceutical company hasn't hidden teh truth from you, you've been walking down the wide road. Turn to the side and go inspect the narrow gate. See what you find stuffed in a box in the corner where people won't notice.

Next up is the government. If you're one of the many Christians who thinks Romans 13 is telling you you should do what the "authorities" tell you to do, its time for you to open your eyes and come out of your sleep. Romans 13 is distorted -- like many other passages . Firstly, Paul is already difficult to understand. You can tell this from reading other letters from Paul that are confusing in parts and baffling. Secondly, the bible has mistranslations, folks. Its time to get out of the old "The bible is GOd's words perfect in every word" mentality and wake up to the reality that there are errors. Fortunately, these errors have ZERO impact on the overall picture. The Bible contains God's word, no doubt. But if you think Romans 13 is telling you to bow down to whatever you're told to do, maybe you ought to read the Old Testament more. How do you explain away the parts where God is clearly disgusted with the governments and the people and said that the people PICKED AUTHORITIES FOR THEMSELVES and NOT of His own direction????

What is God's will? God's will is for us to glorify him. Does the government do that? No. The government spits on God. But people might try to say "But God gets the glory ultimately." Of course he does. Because when someone does evil, God's righteousness shines even brighter. But guess what that means? It means the evil person appears even more evil and they will incur wrath. Go back to Paul. Remember the vessel made for destruction? This is what Paul was talking about. You don't want to be that vessel. So don't be. God gives everyone a choice whether they remain a vessel of wrath or not. Don't yoke yourself to the wicked powers that try to force you to take flu shots and do junk that you don't have to do just so they can control you like cattle.

Finally, I will point out: this is NOT a respect issue. Respecting authorities and people around us is a requisite for following Jesus. But you must understand WHY. Because nobody wants to listen to you if you cause unnecessary chaos or destruction or verbal violence, and God wants listeners. God wants people to become peaceable and come to Him peaceably. And so we must operate in like manner. But inevitably, chaos and destruction and even verbal violence happens anyway (remember Paul and Barnabas having a little disagreement on the road where they parted ways). We live in a dark wicked world where people have conflicting ideas. Many Americans have been blindly ignorant of how evil the world is because they've had modern comforts far too long.

And let me tell you something about conflicting ideas -> the majority is usually wrong and the minority is usually right. Its easier to follow the world than to follow the truth. If you want to enter the narrow gate, you're in for real American workplace persecution.

If you don't want the flu shot. Don't get it. You trusted God to take care of your body all these years. Now trust Him to take care of your food and daily routine. For that matter, ask Him how far He wants you to go? Does he want you to sue the medical institution for trying to force a flu shot on you? You can you know. These clowns running the show make up random laws that conflict with each other left and right. Its on in paper.

Look up the definition of "United States citizen" in the Patriot Act or the Internal Revenue Code. I guarantee you 95% of the people reading this have committed federal fraud unknowningly. You still believe in going with the flow???

Do what God instructs. Not another man who holds makes his "enforcers" hold a gun to your head or take away your money if you don't conform.

I could go on for another month about the money issue. So I'll make one more point.

Jesus said "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Give unto God what is God's."
WHO MADE THE METAL?
IT WASN'T CAESAR.

 

[chesser]

And let me tell you something about conflicting ideas -> the majority is usually wrong and the minority is usually right.

Ok, the earth is flat, ww2 never happened, north Korea is free, the moon landing never happened, America caused 9/11, Christianity is incorrect(biggest religion, therefore wrong, according to you), I could go on for months, the basic idea, is that that statement is untrue.
Also, is there some kind of fundie-Christian anti flu shot agenda thing that I'm not aware of?

 

[Mediate]

True.


True.


True.


Why don't you take a special shot to prevent yourself from getting scurvy?

Because the natural course of action (vitamin C - "the God-given remedy") is sufficient.


If you do some good research, you will find that it may cause you "a whole lot worse [than that] in the long run"...

(Remember what you said about "unnoticeable" changes in the body.)


Absolutely FALSE.

Why do you think that "the flu" is anything special - and somehow exempt from your natural immune system's ability to defend you against it? (small clue ---> 'propaganda')

"If I do not get a flu shot, then I * WILL * GET * THE * FLU"

The whole idea that people will "absolutely and most definitely" suffer "sickness and disease" (and possible death) if they do not get a flu shot -- is completely false and ridiculously absurd.

Yet people believe it. Why? Because they would rather listen to man ('propaganda' -> "the working of Satan, to get you to believe a lie") than God.


NOT necessarily true. If you are healthy enough - even most things like H1N1 would have no effect on you. Why? Because your immune system will take care of it.

But then -- the whole issue here is - will the flu shot itself hurt you?

If you do the research -- I am very confident you WILL find the answer to be YES!



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I dont take in propaganda. Not even religious propaganda. I weigh the options and make my own choice.

What I should have said was, if i come into contact with the flu in flu season (highly likely)i will in almost all cases contract it.

Why would a licensed, well educated, well studied doctor who knows proof of medical scientific facts want me to take a flu shot that does me more harm than good?

Money?

I live in the UK mate. I get free healthcare.

Extermination?

I highly doubt my fifty odd year old little doctor is really an illumanati general.

It's much more ridiculous to discount scientific fact with wishy washy conspiracy theories.

The reason you run into lots of people who seem to have taken adverse reactions to the shot is because its only those people who will ever think about the shot after they get it. Most people just go on with their lives.

I cant get a weakened flu virus engineered to build antibodies from a natural source. I can only get the full live kind.

Whereas vitamin c comes in oranges.

The run of the mill flu is something I could deal with. H1N1 or H5N1 (depending on my physical state) could kill me.

Too much potassium from eating twenty bananas a day could kill me.

I'd really rather not take the chance

Babies get flu shots. Why? Cause back in the day, babies died from the flu.

And cholera. And dysentry. And polio. Hepatitis. Diptheria.

And smallpox. Which has been virtually eradicated from the earth due to inoculations.

Shots are made for the benifit of man.

EVERY medicine, every food, and every action contributes to death in some way or another.

A reaction is made. Energy is used. And eventually, all of us run out of energy. Something in our body doesn't get what it needs.

When Im old, im gonna have health problems cause im old! Not cause i once got a few injections.

So give me butter. Give me bacon. And give me not the flu.