Is the "Trinity" False?

[hermanodaniel]

Let us put an end to all this 'heresy' then and since I asked a question first, I will give you the opportunity to respond first.
I asked, if you saw the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in their three distinct persons, at whose feet will you bow down to worship and why?

Tribesman, and anyone else, feel free to answer as honestly as you know how to. Do not be a coward when it comes to claiming your beliefs of what is lies and what is not.

This is actually a trick question since it's rooted again in disproving the trinity with mere reasoning but here's a question or questions to answer a question lol

If one does not believe the concept of the Trinity, someone has to lose their Deity. Which One should it be? If God, well, that presents obvious problems, ha. If Jesus, then He was just a man, and could not be perfect (only God is perfect) and could not be the perfect sacrifice for our sins/redemption as promised after the Fall. If the Holy Spirit loses His Deity, then Who is it that the Scriptures say indwells us?

 

[Bea22]

This is actually a trick question since it's rooted again in disproving the trinity with mere reasoning but here's a question or questions to answer a question lol

If one does not believe the concept of the Trinity, someone has to lose their Deity. Which One should it be? If God, well, that presents obvious problems, ha. If Jesus, then He was just a man, and could not be perfect (only God is perfect) and could not be the perfect sacrifice for our sins/redemption as promised after the Fall. If the Holy Spirit loses His Deity, then Who is it that the Scriptures say indwells us?

But the question is a simple straight forward question. Who will you bow down to? Please give a straight answer and a reason

 

[Bea22]

You may need to look at Jimmy's picture to refer to because the answer of 'God' will not be enough to describe a trinitarian belief...

 

[hermanodaniel]

But the question is a simple straight forward question. Who will you bow down to? Please give a straight answer and a reason

ok, Elohim (God)

 

[jimmydiggs]

You may need to look at Jimmy's picture to refer to because the answer of 'God' will not be enough to describe a trinitarian belief...

It is, you are just trying to force trinitarianism into what you think it is, not what it actually is.

I worship God. To separate one of the distinct persons from God, would mean we aren't talking about God in a meaningful way anymore. You keep trying to force it into tri-theism, of which it is not.

 

[Red33]

Phil 2:6-11
KJV
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

AMP
6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,
7 But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.
8 And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross!
9 Therefore [because He stooped so low] God has highly exalted Him and has freely bestowed on Him the name that is above every name,
10 That in (at) the name of Jesus every knee should (must) bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, I think that covers just about everybody
11 And every tongue [frankly and openly] confess and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Not one time has the Lord Jesus Christ said for man to look upon the Father and there has never been a time when the Father has commanded that man look upon anyone but the Son, even when Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness for the people to be healed, the Son of man is to be lifted up for man to look upon for salvation (Jn 3:14).

In (Mt 18:10) the angels of the little ones do always behold the face of the Father which is in heaven. Who do you think is speaking in (Isaiah 45) and referring to Himself as the Creator, the Saviour, the God of Israel and as the Lord to whom every knee shall bow and every tongue shall swear?

Is 45:21-23
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Is not the same one being referred to that Moses and the people did drink from in (1Cor 10:1-5)...

1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

(v.9) Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Phil 2:6-11
KJV
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

AMP
6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,
7 But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.
8 And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross!
9 Therefore [because He stooped so low] God has highly exalted Him and has freely bestowed on Him the name that is above every name,
10 That in (at) the name of Jesus every knee should (must) bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, I think that covers just about everybody
11 And every tongue [frankly and openly] confess and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Not one time has the Lord Jesus Christ said for man to look upon the Father and there has never been a time when the Father has commanded that man look upon anyone but the Son, even when Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness for the people to be healed, the Son of man is to be lifted up for man to look upon for salvation (Jn 3:14).

In (Mt 18:10) the angels of the little ones do always behold the face of the Father which is in heaven. Who do you think is speaking in (Isaiah 45) and referring to Himself as the Creator, the Saviour, the God of Israel and as the Lord to whom every knee shall bow and every tongue shall swear?

Is 45:21-23
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Is not the same one being referred to that Moses and the people did drink from in (1Cor 10:1-5)...

1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

(v.9) Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

John 4:23
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

 

[Eccl12and13]

To answer the question, "Is the "Trinity" False?"

YES! The man made doctrine of the "Trinity" is in fact false!

I know this for a fact because there is only ONE explanation is the entire bible that tells us just how The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all one. And the explanation is told by Jesus Christ Himself.

The problem is that people do read, study and ask God for wisdom and understanding when reading the bible.

To find the ONLY answer to how not only are the (3) entities; God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit, which is an Holy angel, NOT a God are one, along with everyone else that brings the same message as they, you simply have to read John 17.

This is the ONLY place you will find in the entire bible how it is explained just how all 3 are one.

You can also read the post, "Are They really “One” or are they ALL on “One Accord“ ?"

There is NO other explanation in ALL of God's word. And where is ALL of our doctrine to come from?

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

If there is a doctrine to be had, the proof of that doctrine can ONLY come from the word of God; Gen. - Rev.

Now I challenge anyone to find another explanation, within the word of God, explaining just how the 3 are one.

And when you do not find one.....what is left?

John 17!

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[Eccl12and13]

Let's see if we can find "God the Holy Spirit" anywhere in the future kingdom.....

Rev.21
[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
[23] And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Funny thing.....if this so called 'God the Holy Ghost' is such a major player...why can we not find him anywhere in the description of the temple?

The Holy Spirit/Ghost/Comforter/Spirit of Truth is just as it's title describes...it is an Holy Spirit and not an evil spirit.

You can read the post, "What does the bible say about God‘s ‘Holy' Spirit'?" if you would like more information.

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[chip]

I think it is safe to say that God has show Himself in three different ways: Creator/father, Son and Spirit.

But, I do not vote yes on Trinity because he may have shown us three sides but that does not mean there are not more. So, I am not willing to but God in a box and claim the three sides we see are the only ones there are. I also would not be willing to disfellowship anyone over this nor claim trinity is truth, when it is only by man's understanding this doctrine exists.

Yes, I was very popular in my Bible classes.....not!

 

[Bea22]

ok, Elohim (God)

It is, you are just trying to force trinitarianism into what you think it is, not what it actually is.

I worship God. To separate one of the distinct persons from God, would mean we aren't talking about God in a meaningful way anymore. You keep trying to force it into tri-theism, of which it is not.

John 4:23
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

Is Elohim another God, or is He the same God? Is He the Father according to you, or is He the Son? Holy Spirit?

I have good news to clear the matter up in your mind.
Elohim and Yahweh in the OT is Jesus Christ in the NT. You can conduct a study of scriptures yourself and cross referencing to see that the words in Greek (NT) are the equivalent in Hebrew (OT).

I would recommend anyone who is unsure exactly who Jesus Christ is, to study the references made to Him being Lord, such as where Thomas called Him his Lord and his God. There are important scriptures in Isaiah which talk about preparing the way for the Lord (Yahweh) and making straight in the desert a highway for our God (Elohim) < obviously a prophecy about the coming of Jesus Christ in NT. There are many more and you can do this in your own time.

I am not sure why you are reverting back to One God when before you wanted that distinction of three to be so evident. You are not Oneness believers, so why take a Oneness stance? You potentially have three divine persons who are all equally God before you. You have God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit to choose from. Why is it that you now say they are One?

Are they all One in form so that you could sufficiently fall down at the feet of One without denying the deity of the rest?

I'm pretty sure one of you hinted in an earlier post that it was a trick question and you couldn't worship at the feet of one because you would deny the deity of the other two.

So... you have three choices and please do not pretend otherwise.

Let me ask you something, according to trinitarian doctrine, where is the Father when Jesus is on the throne? And where is the Holy Spirit?

Or, with Jimmy's response, true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, where is God the Son when the true worshipers are worshiping the Father? And where is the Holy Spirit?

http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-24.htm

 

[Eccl12and13]

1. God the Father will not judge man, that job is reserved for…..Jesus!
John.5
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

2. God the Son has no idea when He is coming back; that knowledge is reserved for God the Father ONLY!
Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

3. You can speak against the God the Son, but if you speak against the Holy Ghost it will not be forgiven.
Luke.12
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

4. The Holy Spirit has no idea when Jesus is coming back, nor will it judge man!
See Mark 13:32 & John 5:22 above!

5. Jesus prays to God the Father!
Matt.26
[39] And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
[42] He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Now let’s examine the doctrine given to us by man, NOT God, and ask the following logical questions;

If they are ONE, how can the Son judge WITHOUT the Father and the Holy Ghost?
If they are ONE, how can the Father know the time and the hour, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son?
If they are ONE, how can you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son?
If they are ONE, who is it that Jesus prays to in the garden before His death?
If they are ONE, who was God while Jesus was dead for 3 days and 3 nights?
If they are ONE, who raised Jesus from the dead?

Oh yeah…..I can really see man’s doctrine of “Being One” really coming together and making sense!



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[jimmydiggs]

@bea22

You keep trying to force trinitarianism into a tri-theism. Until you can realize that, and then start addressing trinatarianism for what it is, you'll just have to stick to getting all bunched up when you don't get the answers you want.

Until then, knock yourself out with it.

 

[Bea22]

1. God the Father will not judge man, that job is reserved for…..Jesus!
John.5
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

2. God the Son has no idea when He is coming back; that knowledge is reserved for God the Father ONLY!
Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

3. You can speak against the God the Son, but if you speak against the Holy Ghost it will not be forgiven.
Luke.12
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

4. The Holy Spirit has no idea when Jesus is coming back, nor will it judge man!
See Mark 13:32 & John 5:22 above!

5. Jesus prays to God the Father!
Matt.26
[39] And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
[42] He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Now let’s examine the doctrine given to us by man, NOT God, and ask the following logical questions;

If they are ONE, how can the Son judge WITHOUT the Father and the Holy Ghost?
If they are ONE, how can the Father know the time and the hour, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son?
If they are ONE, how can you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son?
If they are ONE, who is it that Jesus prays to in the garden before His death?
If they are ONE, who was God while Jesus was dead for 3 days and 3 nights?
If they are ONE, who raised Jesus from the dead?

Oh yeah…..I can really see man’s doctrine of “Being One” really coming together and making sense!



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I actually have already posted about how God can be all three and yet One, if you want to go back and read it. The belief that God is just One being and is not manifested in more ways is not scriptural. The belief that God is three persons in One being (essence) is not scriptural. You can check the meanings within the NT of when Jesus is referred to as Lord or God. Either you have someone calling Himself equal with God - and indeed the trinity doctrine would believe Him to be the second person of deity - or you have One God manifested as the Son.

If you do not believe in trinitarianism or that one God was manifested in three roles, explain exactly where you stand, perhaps Binitarianism?

You mistakenly believe that Jesus was DEAD in the grave. The same One who said He had power to raise up again. You ask who was God at the time? Do you not know that Jesus Christ IS God, so His 100% flesh was in the earth as prophesied but His 100% Spirit was not DEAD. God cannot die.
In the garden of Gethsemane, His 100% flesh gave over His will to His 100% Spirit. He was tempted on all sides. He died like a man 100% flesh that bled. But He rose again as 100% God.

Maybe you can answer my question 'Who will you bow down to and why? And where will the Father and the Son and The Holy Spirit be?'

This question is directly linked to what the Godhead is right now, not in times past, not in future times. It allows you to say exactly where you think the authority is and where it is not. It is linked to how you can blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and it never be forgiven you.
Jesus Christ was 100% man and 100% God. So either He died as a man or He died as God. Can you figure it out? Either He lived as a man or He lived as a man with God in Him, for He was in flesh and He bled.
The Son judges without the Father and the Holy Ghost? Let me show you two things.
Colossians 2 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Revelations 22:12-21
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

I highlighted Jesus' Words in red for you, as they can be found in scripture. Maybe you'd like to explain them to the best of your knowledge.

 

[Bea22]

@bea22

You keep trying to force trinitarianism into a tri-theism. Until you can realize that, and then start addressing trinatarianism for what it is, you'll just have to stick to getting all bunched up when you don't get the answers you want.

Until then, knock yourself out with it.

I'm trying to force trinitarianism into a tri-theism? Is your diagram of the Godhead correct, or isn't it? Does it effectively show your trinitarian beliefs? Why then can't you say who you would bow down to?

I'll answer the question that you cannot answer for yourself. It is because you do not believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - the complete fulness of the Godhead - is in Jesus Christ.

Isn't that the truth?

Why do you have trouble sticking to the scriptures that Red provided? Isn't it true that every knee shall bow at the name of Jesus? So are you going to try to remain standing or are you going to bow? And if you bow, where is your God the Father and your God the Holy Spirit at the time?

 

[Bea22]

12And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:
13Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
14But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
15And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
16And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

.......^ In light of the above scriptures, I will leave it at that

 

[MansFriend]

1. God the Father will not judge man, that job is reserved for&#8230;..Jesus!
John.5
[22] For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

2. God the Son has no idea when He is coming back; that knowledge is reserved for God the Father ONLY!
Mark.13
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

3. You can speak against the God the Son, but if you speak against the Holy Ghost it will not be forgiven.
Luke.12
[10] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

4. The Holy Spirit has no idea when Jesus is coming back, nor will it judge man!
See Mark 13:32 & John 5:22 above!

5. Jesus prays to God the Father!
Matt.26
[39] And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
[42] He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

Now let&#8217;s examine the doctrine given to us by man, NOT God, and ask the following logical questions;

If they are ONE, how can the Son judge WITHOUT the Father and the Holy Ghost?
If they are ONE, how can the Father know the time and the hour, but NOT the Holy Spirit or the Son?
If they are ONE, how can you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and not the Father or Son?
If they are ONE, who is it that Jesus prays to in the garden before His death?
If they are ONE, who was God while Jesus was dead for 3 days and 3 nights?
If they are ONE, who raised Jesus from the dead?

Oh yeah&#8230;..I can really see man&#8217;s doctrine of &#8220;Being One&#8221; really coming together and making sense!

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Each cycle of Creation has 3 distinct and personal advents who represent a member of the Holy Trinity.

The Father has His advent on Day 1 of a Creation when He rules and reigns over the kingdom given to Him at that time when the light is divided from the dark.
The Son has His advent on Day 4 of a Creation when a new "greater light to rule the day" is birthed.
The Holy Ghost has His advent on Day 6 of a Creation when the foundation of the new Creation to follow is laid by Him. However, even though He was endeavoring to "Father" the new Creation by way of the power and dominion He is given by Christ, He transgresses and falls and dies, thus becoming a Ghost.
Now, despite the fall of the Holy Ghost (aka Michael-Adam) (aka Man), He has a Son (aka Son of Man) who labors diligently to redeem His Father and put Him back upon His throne. This figure is God's Christ, who is Jehovah saving Michael. The means by which Jehovah saves Michael is they enter into spiritual union and the two joined together become Eloheim. Adam redeemed from His fall is the spiritual union of Jehovah and Michael manifesting through a new personage who is the Father in the beginning of the new Creation and is when the Father rules and reigns. In this way the Son (Jesus) grows up and becomes a Father, while in spiritual union with Adam who fell but who is now redeemed. They jointly shall rule and reign by way of the advent of the Father they will jointly have spiritual union with. In this manner the "vine" grows and grows as cycles of creation repeat over and over again, each time bringing new personages into union with the "vine" and thus those souls become "divine".

So, as the distinct personages all carry out their individual missions to maintain order in the Creation, we have to relate to them in their separate aspects. A curiosity I discovered when looking at the profile of these three distinct personages who all eventually have a personal advent is that their life spans where they are functioning as a Divine being only consists of a single life broken apart across the 3 different individuals. Jesus takes up the period of time from birth to about 12 years old and a brief period in his 30's for his ministry. Otherwise, nothing else is said about his life in the "missing years". Perhaps those years are missing because they are ordained for on of the other Trinity personages to carry out. I believe this is so. We are told in the last days the Lord would raise up a "prophet like unto Moses" who would deliver the people from bondage and that this prophet would be more than just a prophet. If you look at the ministry of Moses he started at about the age of 40 and went the whole remainder of his life and had success at delivering the people from bondage. This significant figure corresponds with the advent of the Father. So, what we have left for the figure who shall fulfill the personage of the Holy Ghost is someone whose life will be significant starting at about the age of 13 years old and he will in some way be taken out of the picture for a brief period of time in his 30's and he will be martyred at about the age of 39. Also, he will come during the 6th millennium and toward the end of it so that when he is redeemed he will regain the throne and rule and reign during the 7th millennium, which is the Millennium when Christ is supposed to rule and reign. Thus, if people deny this third member of the Trinity when he is having his advent, they cannot and shall not be forgiven for this. Even after he transgresses and falls and becomes a ghost, if people speak evil of him and deny his true identity and importance in the Godhead, they shall not be forgiven of their sins (even if they are Christian).

 

[Laodicea]

Ephesians 4:4-6
(4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
(5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
(6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Here in these verses is the trinity

 

[mule]

According to the scripture you quoted not only did stephen see Jesus ( standing on the right side of God) he also SAW God! So what did God look like?

standing on the right side -- so God is small enough to fit on a throne so Jesus could stand next to Him?

The trinity doctrine attempts to define the belief that was passed down from the apostles. It keeps the commandment -- you know the one about having other gods before us.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Jesus Christ was 100% man and 100% God. So either He died as a man or He died as God. Can you figure it out?

This is not supported by scripture. Jesus was 100% man while on earth;

John 1
[14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Pss.8
[5] For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

Heb.2
[7] Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
[9] But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Jesus was born a flesh and blood man so that He COULD die. Spirit beings cannot die. God is a spirit being. Jesus could not be a flesh and blood being AND a spirit being at the same time.

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