Are you doing the will of God?

[NWL]

Hello everyone, I hope all are well, just a quick question I want to ask as many people as possible.

Are you doing the will of God?

(Matthew 7:21) “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

Gods 'will' is for us is to “make disciples of people of all the nations...teaching them to observe all the things [Jesus has] commanded US. (Matthew 28:19, 20)

Do people here know that by ONLY doing Gods ‘will’ can you receive Gods greatest gift from Jesus.

(Romans 10:10) For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes PUBLIC DECLARATION FOR SALVATION..... [Jesus] became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those ‘obeying’ him (Hebrews 5:9)

As Hebrews 5:9 shows, if you don't obey you don't gain salvation. Also as commanded and prophesied by Jesus Gods 'will' shall be done by people.

(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

Are you doing the ‘will’ of God as Jesus prophesied people would, are you “doers of the word, and not hearers only, [and not] deceiving [yourselves] with false reasoning (James 1:22.)

So I’m asking are you preaching as Jesus commanded us to do? What are your thoughts? (Matt. 10:7, 11-13 Acts 20:20, 21)

 

[shawntc]

I'd sure like to think I am. I'm not sinless but I do strive to use my talents to advance the Gospel.

 

[DesertJoe]

Remember when asking questions like this of others a few verses...

Matthew 7:4 "How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?"

Romans 2:1 "You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."

When you ask people... strangers that you do not know... if they are doing God's will for their life, that is making a presumption that you are telling them God's will for their life. That is the job of the Holy Spirit. There were 2 commandments from the Old Testament found in Deuteronomy 6:5

"Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength."

Part of Leviticus 19:18:

"... you shall love your neighbor as yourself."

and a new commandment Jesus gave us in John 13:34 & 35:

34“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

This is what the commandments say, and if we obey these, we are evangelizing the world whether we say a word or not. We need to look like Jesus before we presume to speak for Jesus.

By the way... what does working for Jesus look like? Let's ask Jesus!

John 6:28 & 29:

28Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

God bless you, & let the whole world know about Jesus by loving like Jesus

 

[NWL]

When you ask people... strangers that you do not know... if they are doing God's will for their life, that is making a presumption that you are telling them God's will for their life. That is the job of the Holy Spirit.

Firstly you are mistaken, yes the Holy spirit may draw us to do it, but if that was the case then why does Jesus and also the apostle’s tell us over and over to preach, do you deny scripture?

(Romans 10:9) For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.

I can see you quote the commandments in Leviticus to try and back up your claim however you completely ignored other scriptures. Such as the one below. You aren’t meant to pick and choose scriptures which simply agree with you and leave others out which you don’t like.

(Matthew 28:19, 20) Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations...teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU.

I don’t know why you quoted Romans 2:1 since I haven’t passed Judgment on anyone, I’ve simply shown what the Bible teaches; I asked a question and not simply a statement.

I can see your reasoning that you gave regarding John 6:28, that all we need is to believe in Jesus to be saved, but there is more than simply believing.

I'll illustrate what the Bible really teaches on this matter (True Story), my Mother once said to my oldest brother when he was nearing his first day of school when he was a little boy, "when you go to school you'll learn how to read and write", however when my brother came home from the first day of school he was upset and told my mum that even though he's been to school he STILL doesn't know how to read and write.

Now of course my mum was right in saying that my brother would learn these things when going to school, but what my brother failed to understand is that it takes more than going to school for a day to learn to read and write. It takes time and effort.

That's my point John 6:28 say yes of course we must believe in Jesus in order to gain Salvation no doubt, however there is more involved than simply believing, Jesus summed this up nicely when he uttered these words.

(Luke 6:46) “Why, then, do YOU call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things I say?

Was Jesus here simply talking about believing in him? No, because here clearly acknowledges that they already believe he is the lord by saying “Why, then, do YOU call me ‘Lord! Lord!”

Lastly Matthew 7:4 doesn’t apply to me concerning this topic since I openly preach about the Good News of Gods kingdom on the streets and from House to House as commanded by Jesus.

(1 Corinthians 9:16, 17) If, now, I am declaring the good news, it is no reason for me to boast, for necessity is laid upon me. Really, woe is me if I did not declare the good news!

Thanks for your comments friend.

 

[greatblue]

Another agenda post? The OP comes across haughty and DesertJoe is not alone in recognizing this.

A simple voice of humility would do a great deal.

 

[DesertJoe]

NWL... God bless you... you are young in the faith... let me give you some more of the scripture.

1st Timothy 5:1:

Never speak harshly to an older man, but appeal to him respectfully as you would to your own father. Talk to younger men as you would to your own brothers.


1st Timothy 3:6

An elder must not be a new believer, because he might become proud, and the devil would cause him to fall.

Let me address these two verses. These days many who are young come to the faith. They hear some preaching that sounds good, and indeed may be true, but then they make the classic mistake of thinking it is for them to preach it to fellow Christians, when it is actually meant for them to live it out. The best sermon you can preach is not in these forums, but with your life... Loving Jesus with all of your heart, and loving your neighbor as yourself. If you believe that I am wrong, then you do not say it harshly as you just did. You rather come to me as one who is older and lovingly discuss it with me. This is what Paul instructed Timothy to do. Also notice that I am speaking to you as a brother as I am instructed to do in that same verse in 1st Timothy 5:1. Another verse that really applies is Proverbs 15:1

"A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger."

I have put up 1st Timothy 3:6 to point out that it is so important as a new believer to not handle this word that has become life in you as a sword of the flesh, but rather in humility and love. The reason that Paul gave the rejoinder he did in first Timothy 3:6 is that it is so easy to become arrogant and prideful in handling the word. It is so common these days to see pride in the pulpit (I say this not in judgment, but rather very sadly with deep regret. Pastor friends of mine agree that the pop pastors of this age are teaching with their actions & tone of speech an arrogance that does not belong in Christianity). I want you to succeed in this thing we call walking with Jesus, and so I write this to you in love, and what I am telling you I have learned through decades in God's word and in ministries. I have been where you are now, and I so hope to spare you some of the pain that I have had to endure in this growth process. In all of this I have not despised your youth, but I write these things in love, so that you will grow and mature in your faith. God bless you

 

[NWL]

Let me address these two verses. These days many who are young come to the faith. They hear some preaching that sounds good, and indeed may be true, but then they make the classic mistake of thinking it is for them to preach it to fellow Christians, when it is actually meant for them to live it out. The best sermon you can preach is not in these forums, but with your life... Loving Jesus with all of your heart, and loving your neighbor as yourself. If you believe that I am wrong, then you do not say it harshly as you just did. You rather come to me as one who is older and lovingly discuss it with me. This is what Paul instructed Timothy to do. Also notice that I am speaking to you as a brother as I am instructed to do in that same verse in 1st Timothy 5:1. Another verse that really applies is Proverbs 15:1

I have put up 1st Timothy 3:6 to point out that it is so important as a new believer to not handle this word that has become life in you as a sword of the flesh, but rather in humility and love. The reason that Paul gave the rejoinder he did in first Timothy 3:6 is that it is so easy to become arrogant and prideful in handling the word. It is so common these days to see pride in the pulpit (I say this not in judgment, but rather very sadly with deep regret. Pastor friends of mine agree that the pop pastors of this age are teaching with their actions & tone of speech an arrogance that does not belong in Christianity). I want you to succeed in this thing we call walking with Jesus, and so I write this to you in love, and what I am telling you I have learned through decades in God's word and in ministries. I have been where you are now, and I so hope to spare you some of the pain that I have had to endure in this growth process. In all of this I have not despised your youth, but I write these things in love, so that you will grow and mature in your faith. God bless you

With all due respect, but I’ve re-read what I’ve wrote to you and have failed to see where I was rude, disrespectful or proud, if you could kindly pin point to where I have been, so in the future I can be more respectful.

If it’s the matter of what I’m showing you in the scripture then I am not the one you should be complaining to but rather to God, as all I’ve been doing is stating what the Bible teaches along with scripture as proof. So what I say to you doesn’t come from me but from God.

You on the other hand teach your own thoughts, mans thoughts, you say things such as “These days many who are young come to the faith. They hear some preaching that sounds good, and indeed may be true, but then they make the classic mistake of thinking it is for them to preach it to fellow Christians, when it is actually meant for them to live it out. The best sermon you can preach is not in these forums, but with your life”

Again with all due respect sir are you mad? How can you make such a claim, I have come to you basically saying “Are you preaching as to gain everlasting life so that you don’t die” and you say I shouldn’t preach it

Please as an older man in the faith show me where we are instructed in the Bible not to teach and simply live life as good as we can? I would like to know.

(Ezekiel 33:6) “‘Now as regards the watchman, in case he sees the sword coming and he actually does not blow the horn and the people itself gets no warning at all and a sword comes and takes away from them soul, for its own error it itself must be taken away, but its blood I shall ask back from the hand of the watchman himself.’

As for you saying that I myself am “young in faith” it means nothing, as I’ve said to you already I preach publically and I have been doing so since I could walk and talk, 20 odd years now roughly I still go out to preach to people because I love them and want them to be saved.

I’ve lived my life according to Gods principal’s as best I can, but does that mean that I shouldn’t preach as you claim? No! You say yourself “I want you to succeed in this thing we call walking with Jesus” yet you fail to see what the Bible actually teaches.

Again I will post the scripture for you as you have been blinded regarding the matter,

Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19, 20

“Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU.

You clearly deny this scripture as you claim that you simply need to follow Jesus in your life style, you have failed at your first hurdle to succeeding in walking with Jesus because you deny his very own words.

You think I’m young, arrogant, and full of pride, you fail to see that Jehovah the Father is “making the inexperienced one wise.” And you fail to see that when I seem like I’m being Prideful I’m simply applying the Bibles council, “may be just as it is written: “He that boasts, let him boast in Jehovah.” (Psalm 19:7, 1 Corinthians 1:31)

Thanks you for being sincere, but please find the truth of the Bible, Test your faith sir.

(1 John 4:1) Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

 

[Ariel82]

I find the things in red rude or just bad doctrine:

Hello everyone, I hope all are well, just a quick question I want to ask as many people as possible.

Are you doing the will of God?

(Matthew 7:21) “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

Gods 'will' is for us is to “make disciples of people of all the nations...teaching them to observe all the things [Jesus has] commanded US. (Matthew 28:19, 20)

Do people here know that by ONLY doing Gods ‘will’ can you receive Gods greatest gift from Jesus.

(Romans 10:10) For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes PUBLIC DECLARATION FOR SALVATION..... [Jesus] became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those ‘obeying’ him (Hebrews 5:9)

As Hebrews 5:9 shows, if you don't obey you don't gain salvation. Also as commanded and prophesied by Jesus Gods 'will' shall be done by people.

(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

Are you doing the ‘will’ of God as Jesus prophesied people would, are you “doers of the word, and not hearers only, [and not] deceiving [yourselves] with false reasoning (James 1:22.)

So I’m asking are you preaching as Jesus commanded us to do? What are your thoughts? (Matt. 10:7, 11-13 Acts 20:20, 21)

you don't obey the great commission to earn your way to salvation, you don't gain salvation by your works of obedience.. you do things because you are saved and cleansed, not to save yourself, you obey because you have already received God's greatest gift: his Holy Spirit

Firstly you are mistaken, yes the Holy spirit may draw us to do it, but if that was the case then why does Jesus and also the apostle’s tell us over and over to preach, do you deny scripture?

(Romans 10:9) For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’ that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.

I can see you quote the commandments in Leviticus to try and back up your claim however you completely ignored other scriptures. Such as the one below. You aren’t meant to pick and choose scriptures which simply agree with you and leave others out which you don’t like.

(Matthew 28:19, 20) Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations...teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU.

I don’t know why you quoted Romans 2:1 since I haven’t passed Judgment on anyone, I’ve simply shown what the Bible teaches; I asked a question and not simply a statement.

kind of rude to think someone ignores scriptures just because they don't agree with you.

there are many parts to the body of Christ and God places people where they are needed and can grow. ont all are meant to be street preachers but every one can live a holy godly life for God.

as for you last post...

what I say to you doesn’t come from me but from God.
are you mad?...

hmm can't find a trace of arrogance there eh?


not how i'd speak to my father is all i have to say about that.

 

[Tommy4Christ]

Hello everyone, I hope all are well, just a quick question I want to ask as many people as possible.

Are you doing the will of God?

(Matthew 7:21) “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

Gods 'will' is for us is to “make disciples of people of all the nations...teaching them to observe all the things [Jesus has] commanded US. (Matthew 28:19, 20)

Do people here know that by ONLY doing Gods ‘will’ can you receive Gods greatest gift from Jesus.

(Romans 10:10) For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes PUBLIC DECLARATION FOR SALVATION..... [Jesus] became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those ‘obeying’ him (Hebrews 5:9)

As Hebrews 5:9 shows, if you don't obey you don't gain salvation. Also as commanded and prophesied by Jesus Gods 'will' shall be done by people.

(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

Are you doing the ‘will’ of God as Jesus prophesied people would, are you “doers of the word, and not hearers only, [and not] deceiving [yourselves] with false reasoning (James 1:22.)

So I’m asking are you preaching as Jesus commanded us to do? What are your thoughts? (Matt. 10:7, 11-13 Acts 20:20, 21)

This is simple, to be in the will of God means total obedience to His truth, and to walk the crucified life unto Him, sensitive to the spirit and his leading, and remaining pure and undefiled from the world and its evil ways!

But God demands a spiritual mind as well, as the carnal mind is His enemy, and this only can come from a truly repentant heart, cleansed and purged, thus now able to receive the implanted word with humility, fear, and meekness!

The Spiritual Mind​

True Conversion to Christ is basically a CHANGE from a Carnal Worldly Mind to a Spiritual, Spirit lead Mind. The Bible says, ‘To be Carnally Minded is Death, but to be Spiritually Minded is life and peace.’ Rom8:6. If you Live according to the flesh (carnal mind) you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live! Rom8:13.

All this is speaking a True Conversion. The Mind cannot be Divided, nor can it Serve two opposing Masters at the same time. (James1:8, Matt6:24) If the Light in you is Darkness, how GREAT is that Darkness! Matt6:23. The Spiritual Person is lead by the Spirit of Truth into all Truth. He is taught by the Holy Spirit to Discern Spiritual things and compare them with other spiritual things. He Judges all things according to this Standard, Tests all things by Scripture and is himself rightly Judged by no man.
(1Cor2:13-16, 1John4:1-4)

Without this Change of Mind into a Spiritual person, Conversion is FALSE and runs the risk of deluding the Mind into believing it knows God when in reality it is Void of the Spirit of God! This Delusion becomes VERY Powerful when combined with supporting Doctrines equally as false. This is why the Bible refers to Strong Delusion in 2Thess2. The Carnal Mind can NEVER LOVE the Truth because the Carnal Mind is enmity against God, it is not Subject to the law of God, nor indeed can it be. (Rom8:7) So the False Convert is constantly at odds with the Bible and looking for excuses not to Obey God. Just a the Bible says he will then Heap up for himself Teachers who will ‘Tickle’ his ears with what he wants to hear and not endure the Sound Doctrine of coming out of his sins and loving Christ. (2Tim4:1:3-4)

The False Teachers will speak of Spirituality as a Process of Coming out of the flesh in increments. As though the Old Man (the Carnal Mind of the flesh) can GROW into a Spiritual man gradually by taking on the Fashion of Christianity. Consequently you have the ‘Form of godliness’ (2Tim3:5) spoken of in Scripture, but lack the Power of real godliness in the Mind of Christ. In Order for real Growth of the Spiritual man to take place the Old Man has to DIE once and for all. His Passion and Desires must be Put to Death when the Person Repents of his sins, NOT After he becomes a ‘Christian’. (Gal5:24)

True Conversion Cannot take place in the Soul (Mind) UNTIL the Vessel has been thoroughly Scrubbed, Cleaned, with all Defilement and ignorance Removed, Sin cast OUT of Doors and the Heart Made Pure by Faith. Only then can the Holy Spirit indwell and any kind of Growth begin to happen. But the DIFFERENCE is the Old Man is DEAD and a New Man is Re-born. The Convert is no longer trying to improve or reform the Old man by degree, as the false teachers claim, but Starting fresh as a New Born Babe in Christ. The Passions and Desires of the flesh are nullified, having Died with Christ. The New man is Raised with Christ to NEWNESS of Life! (Rom6:4-6)

What is happening under the False Teachers is that the Old Man is coming into the Kingdom alive and well. That means the ‘Carnal Mind’ is Still in Control. Therefore all the teaching is aimed at appeasing the flesh and offering Jesus as a solution to the Sin problem. Man neither has the ability or the willingness to turn to God and prepare himself for Salvation. He is hopelessly depraved in his Nature inherited from Adam and Cannot in himself Repent, Believe or Obey. God must enable him by applying His Grace to liberate his Free Will so he can turn and believe in Jesus. Although he has the ability to choose between right and wrong, he DOESN’T have the ability to CHOOSE God.

However the Great Fallacy in all this is that IF someone or something MUST Compel or enable you to DO something, then Free Will DOES NOT Exist. Unless the Will is Free to CHOOSE God of its own accord as well as between Right and Wrong Actions, then man has LOST his ability to choose entirely! So WHY speak of free will at all? It would make more sense to say that God Chooses who will and who won’t believe in Him. Although that view Violates everything He has revealed about His Nature to man.

Since under this System of Error man cannot Choose God of his own accord, the Premise is that he is Saved IN HIS SINS. This is an absolute Necessity without exception. If man is Born in a state of depravity that has effected his free will to the extent of rendering it unable to turn to God, there is no alterative to getting saved in his sins.
All he can really do under this premise is come to God Admitting he is a sinner and asking God to forgive him. Thus you have the Common Salvation Experience today in the False Church System. Repenting and Obeying, if Mentioned at all, Must come AFTER this initial experience has taken place. Only then can the person make any genuine effort to Stop sinning and Do what is Right, because now God is supposedly helping him through the Holy Spirit. It’s the Spirit’s Job to Continue to Liberate his Free Will in an upward direction, ever improving his Walk in Christ.

The Problem is however, ‘The Sin NEVER Stops!’ Because the Desires of the Old Man are still in place. The Mind Remains Carnal, under the control of the Passions and Desires. This is why the False Convert is Never Clean on the inside and any mention of Heart Purity or Righteous Conduct is always Positional, not Practical. Like the Pharisees the Outside of the Cup looks good, but the inside is full of abomination and wickedness. Herein lays the real tragedy of all this, The False Convert can NEVER Arrive at the Truth because his Foundation is Wrong.

He came to God under the assumption that he could be forgiven in his sins and the Carnal Mind remains. The False Teachers give him confidence that this is True teaching a System of lies to Support it. Everyone in the System has come in under the same supposition, including the teachers, and no one challenges the outcome. So the Standard is set focusing on the Carnal instead of the Spiritual. True Repentance NEVER takes Place consequently the Desires CANNOT Change!

The Premise of the Bible is that Man indeed has Free Will and is Fully Capable of Choosing between Right and Wrong, as well as Choosing to Follow God. Consequently he can STOP Sinning, as Scripture directs him to do, and Come to God for Mercy. He certainly Cannot Save himself or pay for his own sins by obeying God, but he CAN CHOOSE God and Follow Christ. By Convincing him he is unable to do these things because he is born a sinner, you place him in a State of paralysis. He Believes and then Sits back to Wait for God to Change him, remaining in bondage to his sins because the Old Man was NEVER Crucified with Christ and Put to Death.

Adding to this Strong Delusion is the fact that the false Teachers are Divided into Camps exposing different forms of Doctrine. Although they ALL agree that man is Born a sinner and depraved in his Nature, they DO NOT agree on the mechanics of this Nature and how God brings about the Salvation experience. As a result Most of them line up on the side of No Free Will or Limited Free Will. Since God does the Choosing (who will and won won’t be saved) Man can only be willing to turn IF God has chosen to turn him. In this Camp some call this Free Will and others do not. Many will say that the Sinner is neither Willing or Able to Turn and it’s entirely God’s Doing to give him the faith and repentance to be Saved.

But others try to leave room for Man to do the turning, but ONLY in the event God has called and chosen him and extended forth an effectual Calling of Grace to bring him in. Either way Free Will CANNOT exist. Unless Man is Totally Independent to Choose between Right and Wrong, or to Reject or Follow Christ, without being coerced, he DOES NOT possess a Free Will. So God may as well do the Choosing, as MOST of the False Teachers Believe.

But this is Problematic According to the Scriptures that Show God Stretching Forth His Hand to ALL Mankind in Mercy. NOT willing that ANY Should Perish, having provide Christ as a Sacrifice for the Sins of the WHOLE World! And Drawing ALL men unto Himself and Showing Kindness to Everyone. The Gospel itself is Directed to WHOSOEVER WILL may Come, encompassing ALL Mankind, as the Parables clearly show. All this is Built on the Premise that Man is FREE to Choose or Reject the Offer given what God has ALREADY Done to SAVE the World.

A Change from the Carnal to a Spiritual State of Mind can ONLY happen when the Old Man is Crucified with Christ in Repentance. Real Repentance Cannot take place unless Man can turn to God and Stop sinning from his own Free Will. Under the False Teachers the Convert comes in as a Carnal Man Convinced that God has Saved him in his sins. Sadly once a person accepts this as Truth the likelihood of a genuine Repentance is nearly impossible. A Person cannot repent of something he is personally NOT Responsible for Doing. And the LIE gives him the Perfect Excuse. www.standingthegap.org

 

[greatblue]

NWL, I found myself to be rude in my brief observation and I apologize. After reflecting about it I realize I allowed something from another thread to affect my tone.

In my walk I have found that humility is the best way to follow and serve God.

 

[ed12]

Hi NWL,
Yes.
love in Jesus
ed12

 

[NWL]

I find the things in red rude or just bad doctrine

You might call it rude and bad doctrine, but have you noticed that It isn't my thoughts but Gods as all i'm using is Gods word, so if you call it Bad doctrine then you are going against God, not because I don't agree with you, but because the Bible doesn't agree with your thinking.

You don't obey the great commission to earn your way to salvation, you don't gain salvation by your works of obedience.. you do things because you are saved and cleansed, not to save yourself, you obey because you have already received God's greatest gift: his Holy Spirit

You are both right and wrong in some aspects, yes we cannot earn Gods gift, because its a gift, yet we have been told to from the Bible that we need to meet certain standards to qualify for the gift. The same way loving parents might withhold a present to a child that is completely disobedient (Hence Bad children don't get present during Christmas time) does God do the same thing, and no we haven't already earn Gods gift, hence the reason why Paul said "keep working out YOUR own salvation with fear and trembling." and not what you implied, to stop working - (Philippians 2:12)

Paul said in Romans 10:10 "[Jesus] became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those ‘obeying’ him". SO what does that verse mean, it is logical to conclude that if Jesus gives everlasting life to those 'obeying' him, that then means that the DOESN'T give everlasting life to those that don't obey him. Their are standards we must meet, obedience is one of them, Simple.

kind of rude to think someone ignores scriptures just because they don't agree with you.

The reason why I thought that person was ignoring scripture wasn't because he didn'tt agree with me, but plain and simply because he ignored a scripture, I told him you must preach as Jesus commanded along with scriptural proof - Matthew 28:19, 20 - and he completely ignored it and said we don't need to preach. That my friend is called ignoring a scripture, there is no other way I can put it, I wasn't being rude it was a fact.

as for you last post...

Quote:
what I say to you doesn’t come from me but from God.

If Ariel Jesus himself said "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to [the Father]" and I teach the same thing Jesus taught, does that not then mean that what I'm teaching also comes from God? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

One last thing Ariel82 when you quote that I simply said "are you mad?..." as an example of when I'm being rude you are being completely dishonest and trying to put me on a bad light in a public place, why didn't you quote all of what I said?

I will for you: "Again with all due respect sir are you mad?" So I tell the man that I give him all the respect he deserves and even call him Sir recognizing he is an older man and still I'm being rude? Really!

Ariel82 the only reason I wrote this too you is because this is a public place and you are trying to tarnish my name even if you were doing it badly. You need to remember that when people talk online it hard to establish how they are talking to someone else, you cant sense their tone, expressions or gestures, so for you to imply that I'm being rude when I haven't directly said anything rude, it is is misleading and a bad judgment on your side.

Thanks for commenting on my thread, regards.

 

[chuinchoy]

I read a book in chinesse book called 明白神旨意 (knowing god's will) will give the reader an good insight of the pre-requisite in knowing god's will.

 

[Ariel82]

you asked how you are rude, but its obvious you don't care to listen.

i dont have to quote all of your statement, people can read it for themselves.

don't know how you got...'not what you implied, to stop working"

from my words "you don't obey the great commission to earn your way to salvation, you don't gain salvation by your works of obedience.. you do things because you are saved and cleansed, not to save yourself, you obey because you have already received God's greatest gift: his Holy Spirit"

since i neither imply or state that one does no works for God but one does not do it to be saved.

you make false assumptions and don't care to listen to what has actually been said. that would be rude behavior.

just pointing it out because of this comment:

"I’ve re-read what I’ve wrote to you and have failed to see where I was rude, disrespectful or proud, if you could kindly pin point to where I have been, so in the future I can be more respectful."

if the above was just fluff, i'll leave you to it and you can continue stepping on someone else's toes, i'll bow out of this dance.

your behavior doesn't really bother me, just that your statement about my implications are obviously untrue, which makes it likely your assumptions about others beliefs are untrue as well.

when you teach not only What Jesus taught but How Jesus taught, then it cuts to the heart of people and goes beyond ruffled feathers.

James 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.

i write in hope that my first impression is wrong and that you do care enough to listen, otherwise i just wasted 30 min typing this, either way your in my prayers.

 

[NWL]

you asked how you are rude, but its obvious you don't care to listen.

don't know how you got...'not what you implied, to stop working"

you make false assumptions and don't care to listen to what has actually been said. that would be rude behavior.

when you teach not only What Jesus taught but How Jesus taught, then it cuts to the heart of people and goes beyond ruffled feathers.

Firstly aerial I 'did' falsely imply that you said we must stop working when I said "and not what you implied, to stop working". I got mixed up thinking you were 'DesertJoe' when I was writing the message, I'm sorry that I gave that false impression to people.

Secondly I do care to listen, however I remember originally asking "DesertJoe" how I was rude to him and not you, what you did Is start throwing you faint attempts of how I was being rude to him, I clearly showed to you how I wasn't, now that you've read what I wrote before, do your original thoughts still stand? do you still think I was being rude to DesertJoe?

Lastly with your statement about how Jesus talks, I don't think you know your Bible as well as I thought you did :

(Matthew 22:18) "..But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites.."

(Luke 24:25) "..Then Jesus said to them, "You foolish people!.."

(Mark 7:18) "..[Jesus] said to them, “Are you also stupid?.."

(Matthew 7:23) " I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness."

Jesus message was not a message of peace but rather the opposite, I thought all Christians knew this.

(Matthew 10:34, 35) [Jesus speaking] Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law.

You should be happy I don't respond in the same manner as Jesus would on all the replies on CC, as you would think I'm being horribly rude.

Regards, NWL

 

[squidget]

if someone is doing the will of GOD they are quite simply DOING what the bible says to do this is the complete bible from genesis 1;1 to revelation22;21.
to concern oneself over another's issue is not our concern revelation 22;21 points it out
The grace of our LORD JESUS CHRIST be with you all. Amen.

GOD has allowed that grace to occur and no man is able to see what GOD is working in another until the process is completed.

NWL you have a great desire in you always keep in mind to reach to people where they are at and meet them at their understanding.
to do that we must get to know people and them to get to know us.
this is how GOD did it for us

i like you ferver but get to know people first because ferver can cause others to stumble if it is done unwisely and we are accountable to ALL we cause to stumble

bless you mate

 

[wwjd_kilden]

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good.
And what does the Lord require of you?

To act justly
and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.

 

[GreenNnice]

Knowing God's will is personal. Others are involved, of course, we must have Love as Jesus taught and God showed in grace and mercy to Israelites, David, etc.

' Course, we must be proactive too, as Moses, when God said He would smite the Israelites who built a golden calf idol while God gave Moses the 10 commandments, said, 'Oh, please, God, they know not what they do,' and, yes, God spared them.

David sinned with Bathsheba and God took David's child once child barely born, but David, who mourned during time leading up to child being told (through Nathan the prophet) would die.
Another child soonafter was given David, the mighty king Solomon! God rewarded David's ability to not be downcast once what was done by God was done.

God wants us to obey Him, nwel, and, 'it' whatever 'it' is will be well with your soul. Listen to His Spirit lead, who teaches us unto all understanding of The Word .