who are the elect

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seed_time_harvest

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we know that GOD knows all things.
are the elect,the elect because GOD chose them to be the elect before they were born or,are the elect,the elect because they chose to do what GOD wanted,and GOD knew they would choose to do what is pleasing to him before they were even naturally born into this world.
 
I believe the 2nd part of your question. God knows who will choose to follow Him so those are His elect.
 
I think it is important to understand that Mighty Yahweh knows who the elect are, but we do not.
We must point everyone to the Bible for Salvation... We assume that all are the elect.
 
seed_time_harvest said:
we know that GOD knows all things.
are the elect,the elect because GOD chose them to be the elect before they were born or,are the elect,the elect because they chose to do what GOD wanted,and GOD knew they would choose to do what is pleasing to him before they were even naturally born into this world.
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The elect are the elect because God chose them before the foundation of the world. They were not chosen because of any foreseen merit, they were chosen unconditionally by grace to be in the covenant of promise out of God's own will and good pleasure and for His glory. And none of them will be lost.
Eph.1

[3] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
[4] According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
[5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
[6] To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
[7] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
[8] Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
[10] That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
[11] In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
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2Tim.1

[8] Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
[9] Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
[10] But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
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tribesman said:
The elect are the elect because God chose them before the foundation of the world. They were not chosen because of any foreseen merit, they were chosen unconditionally by grace to be in the covenant of promise out of God's own will and good pleasure and for His glory. And none of them will be lost.
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You sound like a PB except for the snag of the elects justification not being accomplished by Christ when on the cross. May I ask, What is your church affiliation?
 
seed_time_harvest said:
we know that GOD knows all things.
are the elect,the elect because GOD chose them to be the elect before they were born or,are the elect,the elect because they chose to do what GOD wanted,and GOD knew they would choose to do what is pleasing to him before they were even naturally born into this world.
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I think the “elect” are the people who make the effort to do the Lord's will.
 
Forest said:
You sound like a PB except for the snag of the elects justification not being accomplished by Christ when on the cross. May I ask, What is your church affiliation?
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My view on election is traditional, conservative reformed and so is my affiliation. Unconditional election, that the election is not in any wise conditioned on the sinner, is a very important tenet in reformed tradition with solid biblical foundation. PBs would actually agree with it. Where we differ is on the issue of justification, where you hold to eternal justification.
 
seed_time_harvest said:
we know that GOD knows all things.
are the elect,the elect because GOD chose them to be the elect before they were born or,are the elect,the elect because they chose to do what GOD wanted,and GOD knew they would choose to do what is pleasing to him before they were even naturally born into this world.
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Those that believe in Jesus Christ become the elect through their belief/faith in Jesus Christ. God knows those that are going to believe, and by believing we become part of the elect.
 
tribesman said:
The elect are the elect because God chose them before the foundation of the world. They were not chosen because of any foreseen merit, they were chosen unconditionally by grace to be in the covenant of promise out of God's own will and good pleasure and for His glory. And none of them will be lost.
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just curious
what in your opinion is the meaning of GODs election and the elect?
 
tribesman said:
Not sure I fully understand your question. I've think I've already explained how I view the terms God's election and the elect.
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in your words what is the meaning of these scriptures in relation to the election

Romans 9
1I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;
5Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9For this [is] the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
10And not only [this]; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, [even] by our father Isaac;
11(For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22[What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28For he will finish the work, and cut [it] short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
29And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
 
Forest said:
You sound like a PB except for the snag of the elects justification not being accomplished by Christ when on the cross. May I ask, What is your church affiliation?
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What is a PB? Pentecostal Baptist??
 
The real question is whether we strive to make our election sure. 2 Peter 1:10
I know many will say but what about our freewill? The truth is that although we have a will (that is a choice) it isn't free (that means it is bound or limited) to do as we please. I can make plans but since I am not God and not Sovereign I can not guarantee that I will be here tomorrow to accomplish what I will. God calls and draws and we submit to his grace and OBEY. We are called and then drawn by the Father because no one can come to God unless He calls and draws us. God said Danny, and drew me and I said here am I. Now for our understanding (and I mean our understanding because we are stuck in time) it seems that we choose whether to say yes or no to God. Let say someone says yes to God (I have!) and the individual is set apart living for God went through his bouts but ultimately was victorious in Christ when that individual hears well done faithful and good servant HE OR SHE WILL TRULY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DID NOT CHOOSE GOD BUT GOD CHOSE THEM! Now what does that mean??? Well God is God and if we think that we can choose God first we are mistaken because if that were possible God would immediately not be God anymore! How can we choose someone who is eternal and out of time??? When the word says God foreknew us it doesn't mean foreknowledge (knowing what we will choose) but that He actually knew us completely inside and out and how we are going to be. I remembered when I first stumbled upon that verse in Romans "Jacob I loved and Esau I hated" and I ask God why over and over. I prayed for understanding and God led me to a book in the Bible I haven't visited at the time and a short book at that... I was led to Obadiah and when I read Obadiah God showed me the pride Esau harbored in his heart. When the Bible says God knows us it is to an extent that baffles us because we are stuck in time but this is why God is God in the first place. We reap what we sow and we can deceive man but we can't deceive God...This is a profound mystery but nonetheless the truth. However, we should avoid asking who is the elect because to be frank no one knows and thus we must preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and make our election sure by abiding in Christ till the end. Moreover, rest assure that those who want to seek God and inherit eternal life as the scripture states "and everyone who calls upon the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13 are the elect! No one can seek God truthfully from the heart and be disqualified simply because they were not the elect! This is not how the election works! The elect are those who surrendered their life to God and the those who perish are those who refused the Gospel and have trampled the Son of God and insulted the Spirit of Grace not wanting NOTHING to do with God.
 
hermanodaniel said:
... I remembered when I first stumbled upon that verse in Romans "Jacob I loved and Esau I hated" and I ask God why over and over. I prayed for understanding and God led me to a book in the Bible I haven't visited at the time and a short book at that... I was led to Obadiah and when I read Obadiah God showed me the pride Esau harbored in his heart.
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Do you believe that God chose Jacob because he was less evil than Esau?

...we must preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and make our election sure by abiding in Christ till the end.
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Do you think that any single one of the elect can ever forfeit their election?

What we believe is extremely important.
 
How can the elect lose their election since the election was done out of time by God?
 
hermanodaniel said:
The real question is whether we strive to make our election sure. 2 Peter 1:10
I know many will say but what about our freewill? The truth is that although we have a will (that is a choice) it isn't free (that means it is bound or limited) to do as we please. I can make plans but since I am not God and not Sovereign I can not guarantee that I will be here tomorrow to accomplish what I will. God calls and draws and we submit to his grace and OBEY. We are called and then drawn by the Father because no one can come to God unless He calls and draws us. God said Danny, and drew me and I said here am I. Now for our understanding (and I mean our understanding because we are stuck in time) it seems that we choose whether to say yes or no to God. Let say someone says yes to God (I have!) and the individual is set apart living for God went through his bouts but ultimately was victorious in Christ when that individual hears well done faithful and good servant HE OR SHE WILL TRULY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DID NOT CHOOSE GOD BUT GOD CHOSE THEM! Now what does that mean??? Well God is God and if we think that we can choose God first we are mistaken because if that were possible God would immediately not be God anymore! How can we choose someone who is eternal and out of time??? When the word says God foreknew us it doesn't mean foreknowledge (knowing what we will choose) but that He actually knew us completely inside and out and how we are going to be. I remembered when I first stumbled upon that verse in Romans "Jacob I loved and Esau I hated" and I ask God why over and over. I prayed for understanding and God led me to a book in the Bible I haven't visited at the time and a short book at that... I was led to Obadiah and when I read Obadiah God showed me the pride Esau harbored in his heart. When the Bible says God knows us it is to an extent that baffles us because we are stuck in time but this is why God is God in the first place. We reap what we sow and we can deceive man but we can't deceive God...This is a profound mystery but nonetheless the truth. However, we should avoid asking who is the elect because to be frank no one knows and thus we must preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and make our election sure by abiding in Christ till the end. Moreover, rest assure that those who want to seek God and inherit eternal life as the scripture states "and everyone who calls upon the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13 are the elect! No one can seek God truthfully from the heart and be disqualified simply because they were not the elect! This is not how the election works! The elect are those who surrendered their life to God and the those who perish are those who refused the Gospel and have trampled the Son of God and insulted the Spirit of Grace not wanting NOTHING to do with God.
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This was Excellent, Great Job.

Blessings
 
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