jesus is not God

[Frank4YAHWEH]

In Genesis 1:26, Elohim (plural) said (third masculine singular), “Let us make13 (first person common plural) man (noun masculine singular) in our image (“image” is a masculine singular noun with a first person common plural suffix), after our likeness (“likeness” is a feminine singular noun with a first person common plural suffix).”

Grammatically, the words “make,” “us” and “our” in this verse cannot refer to Elohim alone, for the verb directly connected with Elohim (“said&#8221 is singular. The doctrine of verbal plenary inspiration means the Bible is inspired, even to its very words, and inspiration extends to every word in the Bible. This means even verb tense and number is inspired. If Elohim had intended here to include only Himself in His address, He would have used a singular verb and pronouns. If Elohim were more than one, it would be appropriate to use the plural form of “make” and the plural pronouns “us” and “our,” but in that case, the verb “said” would be plural as well.

Thus, the grammar makes clear that when the singular Elohim spoke, He included someone else in His statement. The Jewish people, who are of course strictly monotheistic, have long held that in Genesis 1:26 Elohim addressed the angels in a courteous consideration for the attendants at His heavenly court when He said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” This is not unreasonable, for Job 38:7 indicates the angels were present at creation, rejoicing in the works of God. Others suppose we should take the plural pronouns, like the plural Elohim, as a “plural of majesty.

” Ezra 4:18 is appealed to for support. Here, in response to a letter, King Artaxerxes says, “The letter which ye sent unto us hath been plainly read before me.” The letter was to Artaxerxes alone, and in the same breath he uses both a plural and a singular pronoun of himself. Historically, kings of the earth have used plural pronouns of themselves. Perhaps that is the use the Great King makes of a plural verb and plural pronouns in the few verses of Scripture where they appear.

But if so, one is left to wonder why, in thousands of cases, Elohim uses singular verbs and pronouns of Himself, and why He would use plural verbs and nouns in only four verses in the entire Bible. Why would He not use either singular verbs and pronouns exclusively or plural verbs and pronouns exclusively? The sparse use of plural verbs and pronouns must indicate some specific, limited purpose.

The simplest explanation, and the one which agrees with the inspired grammar most closely, is that in these few verses Elohim is graciously including others, angelic beings, in His address. Angels did not actually make man, any more than believers today actually work miracles (see John 14:12; Matthew 10:8); God has graciously allowed us to be laborers together with Him (I Corinthians 3:9). Perhaps there is some similarity here to the way God included the angels in His work.

LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE
Genesis 1:26,27
By Voy Wilks
8/31/98

"Then Elohim said, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness'" (Gen. 1:26, RSV).

Monotheism means one. Any person who believes in the Trinity or the Duality cannot properly claim to believe in Monotheism. The reason being, Trinity means three, Duality means two, while Monotheism means one - One theos, or One Elohim, not two, three, or a dozen. Of course,, Trinitarians and Dualists will heartily disagree, but this is fact. This is Truth. Monotheism means ONE. Perhaps a better term is Mono-el-ism; ONE EL.

Let Us

Because the words us and our appear in Genesis 1:26, "Let us make man in our images and our likeness, Trinitarians say, "Ah ha! This proves the Trinity." But surprise: Dualist say, "Ah ha! This proves the Duality of Yahweh." Isn't this amazing? It seems we have a choice. Based on these two little words, we can believe in the Trinity, or we can believe in Duality, all the while referring to these as Monotheism. Amazing!

After this astonishing revelation, let us now look at Genesis 1:27:

"So Elohim created man in HIS own image, in the image of Elohim HE created him; male and female HE created them."

Comparison

Genesis 1:26 contains three plural pronouns. Genesis 1:27 contains three singular pronouns. All refer to the same person - the Creator. If Trinitarians and Dualists can ignore verse 27 with its singular pronouns, perhaps I should have the privilege of ignoring verse 26 with its plural pronouns. I speak lightly, of course, to encourage thought and study. My preference is, none of us should ignore Biblical Scripture as originally given.

Image and Likeness

Have you noticed? Image and likeness are not plural words, but singular; in Hebrew as well as English. Dr. Bullinger pointed this out, even though he was a Trinitarian. Elohim made man in the image of Elohim, not images of Elohim. This indicates the image (singular) of one person, not two or three persons. The same is true of likeness. The word is singular.

A Translator's Footnote (Gen. 1:26)

RSV Harper Study Bible, notes by Harold Lindsell.
"Let us make man. Many interpret us to mean the Trinity, ... but probably early readers understood the word as the plural of majesty, just as the plural Elohim (Hebrew) is used of God to denote his majesty and attributes. Another possible interpretation is the picture of God consulting with his angelic court, the host of heaven (1 Kings 22:19), or the sons of God (Job 1:6)." (Emphasis added).

It is interesting to note that Harold Lindsell believed in the Trinity, indicated by his note on Mt. 28:19, nevertheless he realized Gen. 1:26 does not promote the Trinity. He spoke of "early readers" who understood the word as the plural of majesty. "Early readers" would be the Saints of antiquity and the disciples of the first century C.E. who had no knowledge of Duality or Trinity (See The Christian Doctrine of God, Vol. 1, by the noted Theologian, Emil Brunner, pages 205-237; published by Westminister Press, Philadelphia, 1946).

The Reference: 1st Kings 22:19

When we consult the reference given by Mr. Lindsell (2 Kings 22:19), we see that his point is certainly worth considering:

"And Micaiah said, 'Therefore hear the word of Yahweh: I saw Yahweh sitting on his throne, and all of the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left; and Yahweh said,

"'Who will entice Ahab that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-Gilead?' And one said one thing and another said another. Then a spirit came forward and stood before Yahweh, saying, 'I will entice him.' And Yahweh said to him, 'By what means?'

"'I will go forth and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all of his prophets.' And he said, 'You are to entice him, and you shall succeed; go forth and do so.'

"Now therefore behold, Yahweh has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; Yahweh has spoken evil concerning you" (1 Kings 22:19-22, RSV).

We see that Yahweh consulted with his celestial court on this occasion. He may have done the same in the beginning (Gen. 1:26). His celestial court consisted of the following:

(1) Yahweh
(2) The angels. Note Yahshua was never an angel (Heb. 1:5,13).
(3) The living creatures (the living beasts); that is, the Cherubim.
(4) No one else was present, apparently.

Footnote, Genesis 1:26

New English Bible
"The plural us (Gen. 3:22; 11:7) may be a majestic plural, or else refer to minor divine beings thought to surround God, like the courtiers of a human king (1 Kings 22:19-22)."

Only One Yahweh & Only One True El

Since there is only one Yahweh and only one true El (Deut. 6:4; Neh. 9:6; John 17:3), this confirms Yahshua was not present in the beginning (1) as the Creator, or (2) as a second Yahweh (Gen. 1:26); nor was he present in the days of Ahab (1 Kings 22:19).

"To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh is Elohim; there is no other besides HIM. ... know therefore this day, and lay it to your heart, that Yahweh is Elohim in heaven above and on earth beneath; there is no other" (Deut. 4:35,39, RSV).

Deut. 6:4

Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our Elohim is ONE Yahweh, ..." (Deut. 6:4).

One is translated from the Hebrew word echad, equal in every respect to the English word, one. Echad is a cardinal number, meaning one as in one, two, three, etc. A cardinal number establishes how many, whereas an ordinal number establishes a place in a sequence, such as first, second, third, etc. Yahweh is not first among several. Instead, he is the ONE true El; the ONLY Yahweh who exist (2 Sam. 22:32; Ps. 83:18; Isa. 43:10; 44:6; 45:5,6,21,22; Mark 12:28-32; Luke 18:19; Rev. 15:4).

There are more than sixty Scriptures which declare there is one Yahweh; one true Elohim so, is it rational to ignore 60 Scriptures in preference to three little words in Genesis 1:26?

Conclusion

Since there are more than sixty Scriptures which declare there is one Yahweh, the evidence indicates we must accept the three plural pronouns in Genesis 1:26 as Mr. Lindsell suggested:

(1) As the plural of majesty, not as a plurality of persons; a plurality of Deities, or

(2) Accept the view that the only Yahweh who exists consulted with his Angelic Court, as illustrated in 2 Kings 22:19.

Scriptures do not support the doctrine of the Trinity, neither do they support the doctrine of Duality of Deities. Scriptures teach Monotheism; One Yahweh - One true El.

"You believe that Yahweh is one; you do well; the demons believe also, and tremble" (James 2:19).

"TELL US"
Isaiah 41:21-26
By Voy Wilks
3/26/99

Throughout the Scriptures most references to Yahweh use singular pronouns; I, me, my, mine, he, him, his, etc. Why is this? The answer is, Yahweh truly is ONE, so naturally, singular pronouns are associated with Yahweh, the El, of Israel.

"Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our Elohim is one Yahweh: ... (Deut. 6:4, KJV).

"Ye [Israel, Verse 1] are my witnesses, saith Yahweh, and my servant whom I have chosen, that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no El formed, neither shall there be ANY AFTER ME. I, even I am Yahweh; and beside me there is no savior" (Isa. 43:10,11).

In a few references, however, Scriptures do use plural pronouns, even when the One Yahweh is spoken of. There is an explanation for each, as in the following quotation:

"Produce your cause, saith Yahweh; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the king of Jacob. Let them bring them forth, and show US what shall happen: let them show the former things, what they be, that WE may consider them, or declare to US things for to come. Show the things that are to come hereafter that WE may know that ye are gods: ye, do good, or do evil, that WE may be dismayed and behold it together. ...

"Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work is nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you. I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon mortar, and as the potter treadeth clay. Who hath declared from the beginning, that WE may know? And before time, that WE may say, He is righteous? there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words" (Isa. 41:21-26, KJV).

In these verses, us and we are used several times in connection with the one Yahweh. Why is this?

o Some might claim these verses support the doctrine of the Trinity. But no. The Trinity is a false doctrine. It is not true. As noted above, there is only ONE El. "Before me, no El was formed, neither shall there be [any] after me" (Isa. 43:10).

o Some might claim these verses support the doctrine of the Twinity (the Duality); two Els, two Yahwehs. But no. We have just found that Yahweh is one Yahweh. THERE IS NO OTHER (Deut. 6:4). "Before me, no El was formed nor shall there be any after me" (Isa. 43:10, RSV).

What, then, can we say about these plural pronouns in reference to Yahweh? Long ago, wise men reported we shuld notice the context; note the general message before, in, and after the verse being studied, Therefore, let us do so at this time. Go back to verse one of Isaiah 41.

"Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; let them speak: let US come near together to judgment" (Isa. 41:1).

We see that Yahweh calls to the people of the Coast Lands. "Let us meet together." Both Yahweh and the peoples of the Coast Lands.

In the verses which follow, Yahweh reveals to his listeners some of his majestic deeds. Idolaters, on the other hand, encourage each other in the creation of and worship to their idols (Isa. 41:5-7).

Now note: The Most High brings Israel into the picture, and reassures his chosen people of his continuing love. "You are my servant. Have no fear. I will help you" (Isa. 41:8-20).

So we now have THREE PARTIES: (1) Yahweh, (2) Israel, and (3) those who worship idols. Yahweh and Israel stand together. And what happens?

Set forth your case (you idolaters). Give proof of your power. Your great deeds. Tell US: (Us = Yahweh, Israel, and the gathered idolaters). Tell us what is to happen. Declare to us who are assembled here the things which will come to pass hereafter, so we will know you are gods. Yahweh's summation is,

"Behold, they (the idols) are all a delusion; their works are nothing; their molten images are empty wind" (Isa. 41:29, RSV).

Helpful Quotations From Other Versions

o "Present your case, ..." (Isa. 41:21, Berkeley Version). Footnote: "In verses 1-4 worshipers of idols are addressed; in verses 21-24 the idols are challenged."

o "Listen ... come now and speak, ... The court is ready for your case" (Isa. 41:1, TLB).

o "Elohim says, be silent and listen to me, you distant lands. Get ready to present your case in court: you will have your chance to speak" (Isa. 41:1, Good News Bible); and verse 21: "Yahweh the king of Israel has this to say, you gods of the nations, present your case. Bring the best arguments you have. ... Explain to the court the things of the past, ..."

Conclusion

It is significant that none of these versions refer to Isa. 41 as a support for the Trinity. This is true of reference books, also, which were consulted. They were to honest to claim this verse supports the Trinity or the Duality.

In reviewing Isaiah chapter 41, we see clearly, in the use of us and we, there is no allusion to a Trinity or a Duality of Deities. Instead, symbolically at least, Yahweh challenged the peoples of distant lands to meet with him and his people Israel for a face to face encounter; a court session:

"Let US decide for once and for all time about these idols: Do they have power to do good, to do evil, or to predict the future? No. They are as empty wind" (paraphrase).

Yahweh, the one, true El has this power. He can predict, then make it come to pass. He can also bring salvation. Idols can do nothing.
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Also see:

“Let us” in Genesis 1:26 is NOT the Trinity
The Bible Answer Stand Ministry

 

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Yahshua did not "[resurrect] his own dead body from the grave." It was his and our FATHER Yahweh who raised (resurrected) and redeemed His SON Yahshua from death and the grave.

Who Raised Yahshua From The Dead?
By Voy Wilks
11/12/2003

The question has been asked: Who raised Yahshua from the dead, from the grave?. Was it Yahshua himself, or was it Yahweh the heavenly Father? Thhree Scriptures seem to indicate Yahshua raised himself, with no help from anyone. Let us examine these Scriptures.

Did Yahshua Raise Himself From the Grave?
Three Scriptures

(1) "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up. The Jews then said, It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it in three days? But he spoke of the temple of his body. When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this and they believed ..." (John 2:19-22, RSV).

(2) "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. ... I lay down my life for the sheep. ... For this reason the Father loves me because, I lay down my life, that I may take it again" (John 10:15-17).

(3) "No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father" (John 10:18).

Apparently these three Scriptures are the only ones that seem to say Yahshua raised himself. Listed below are twenty-three Scriptures which clearly report that Yahweh raised Yahshua from the dead. What should we do in this case? We should always accept the clear-cut Scriptures in preference to those which are not so clear. Now to comment:

We notice in John 2:19-21, Yahshua spoke in a parable, apparently to frustrate his Jewish enemies.

John 10:17, standing alone, is not conclusive. If Yahweh raised Yahshua from the dead, as reported by twenty-three Scriptures listed below, then Yahshua, because of the Father's promise, could "take up his life again." And what was Yahweh's promise? That Yahshua would not suffer any decay but would be raised from the grave the third day (Acts 2:25-28). Yahweh would not allow Hades to continue holding Yahshua, proof that Yahshua did not raise himself.

John 10:18, as it reads in the KJV and the RSV, appears to be conclusive. Yahshua raised himself. But wait. Let us consult other versions. We hardly want a statement which conflicts with the twenty-three Scriptures listed below.

The understanding seems to lay in the Greek word exousia, here translated power in the KJV. Young's Concordance shows 29 times that exousia is translated authority. Authority is the word which appears in many English versions the past 200 years (John 10:18). Now note the difference this makes.

* "The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life - only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father" (John 10:18, NIV).

* "For this reason my Father loves me, because I am laying down my life to receive it back again. No one takes it away from me, but I myself am laying it down. I am authorized to lay it down, and I am authorized to take it back again. This is the command I received from my Father" (John 10:17,18, Weymouth Version).

Comment: If Yahweh commands, it will be done. Yahshua arose from the dead at Yahweh's command. Someone authorized Yahshua to do these things. Who was this? Obviously, it was Yahweh, the Father. So it appears that Yahshua did not raise himself from the dead.

* "As for the Father, he does indeed love me, and this because I lay down my life, doing so that I may take it afterwards. No one takes it away from me. I lay it down of my own free will. I have been given the right to lay it down and I have been given the right to take it up again afterwards. This is the charge I have received from my Father" (John 10:17,18, Cassirer Version).

Question: Who gave Yahshua this right? It must have been Yahweh.

Here is a list of only some of the versions of the Scriptures which agree with the NIV, Weymouth and Cassirer Versions. Not power to rise, but authorized to rise from the dead.

New American Standard Bible
Wuest Version
The Diaglott, By Ben Wilson
Knox Version
New English Bible
New Century Version
The Beck Version
The Koster Bible
Young's Literal Translation
Berkeley Version
Good News Bible
Ferrar Fenton Version
New World Translation
Charles B. Williams Version
The James Duncan Version
The Emphasized Bible
The Norlie Version

Did Yahweh (the heavenly Father) Raise Yahshua?
Twenty-three Scriptures

* "But Yahweh raised him up, having loosed the pangs of death ... (Acts 2:24, RSV).

* "... he [David] foresaw and spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned in Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. This Yahshua Yahweh raised up, and of that we are all witnesses" (Acts 2:31,32).

* "... and you killed the author of life, whom Yahweh raised from the dead" (Acts 3:15).

* "... be it known to you all, and to the people of Israel, that by the name of Yahshua Messiah of Nazareth, whom you impaled, whom Yahweh raised from the dead, by him this man is standing before you well" (Acts 4:10).

* "The Elohim of our fathers raised Yahshua whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. Yahweh exalted him at his right hand ... (Acts 5:30).

* "They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, but Yahweh raised him on the third day ..." (Acts 10:40).

* "... they took him down from a tree and laid him in a tomb, but Yahweh raised him from the dead ..." (Acts 13:30).

* "We bring you good news that what Yahweh promised to the fathers, this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Yahshua ..." (Acts 13:32,33).

* "And as for the fact that he [Yahweh] raised him [Yahshua] from the dead, no more to return to corruption, ..." (Acts 13:34).

* "But he whom Yahweh raised up saw no corruption" (Acts 13:37).

* "But now he [Yahweh] commands all men everywhere to repent because he [Yahweh] has appointed and of this he [Yahweh] has given assurance to all men by raising him [Yahshua] from the dead" (Acts 17:3).

* "It will be reckoned to us who believe in him [Yahweh] who raised from the dead Yahshua our Master who was put to death for our trespasses and raised for our justification" (Romans 4:24,25).

* "so that, as the Messiah was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:4).

* "If the spirit of him [Yahweh] who raised Yahshua from the dead dwell in you, he [Yahweh] who raised the Messiah Yahshua from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also, ..." (Romans 8:11).

* "...if you confess with your lips that Yahshua is Master and believe in your heart that Yahweh raised him [Yahshua] from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9).

Question: Do you want to be saved? Then you must believe it was Yahweh who raised Yahshua from the dead. Two separate parties: one in the grave, and one who raised him.

Webmaster's Note: FATHER Yahweh is immortal. He is The Eternal and Everlasting FATHER. He can not and will never die. His SON Yahshua was born a mortal being, can die and did die by being executed by mere men. It would be quite impossible for mere men to execute FATHER Yahweh by nailing Him to a pagan cross or by any other means of execution. FATHER Yahweh's SON Yahshua has been raised from the dead by his and our FATHER Yahweh and is now an immortal being that sits exalted at his and our FATHER Yahweh's right hand (Acts 5:30). Also, pay very close attention to the following concluding verses:

* "And Yahweh raised Yahshua and will also raise us up by his power" (1 Cor. 6:14).

* "... if the Messiah has not been raised then our preaching is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting Yahweh because we testify of Yahweh that he [Yahweh] raised the Messiah, ..." (1 Cor. 15:14,15).

* "... knowing that he [Yahweh] who raised the Master Yahshua will raise us also and bring us with you in his presence ..." (2 Cor. 4:14).

* "Paul an apostle, not from man nor through man, but through Yahshua Messiah and Yahweh the Father who raised him [Yahshua] from the dead ..." (Gal. 1:1).

* "the working of his [Yahweh's] great might which he accomplished in the Messiah when he [Yahweh] raised him [Yahshua] from the dead, and made him [Yahshua] sit at his [Yahweh's] right hand ..." (Eph. 1:20).

* "... and you were buried with him [Yahshua] in baptism, in which you were also raised with him [the Messiah] through faith in the working of Yahweh who raised him [Yahshua] from the dead" (Col 2:12).

* "... how you turned to Yahweh from idols to serve a true and living Elohim, and to wait for his son [Yahshua] from heaven whom he [Yahweh] raised from the dead, Yahshua who delivers us from the wrath to come" (1 Thes. 1:10).

* "Through him you have confidence in Yahweh, who raised him [Yahshua] from the dead and gave him [Yahshua] glory ..." (1 Peter 1:21).

Conclusion

Yahweh the Father raised Yahshua from the dead (the grave, Hades). Yahshua had faith that he would not see corution, but would be raised by the Father on the third day. He could have backed out at any time, but he did not. Remember his agony in the garden? "If possible, let this cup pass from me." He went through death, and rose again to save you and me, and to give us the gift of Yahweh - Eternal life in Yahshua Messiah (Romans 6:23). Praise Yahweh and his son Yahshua the Messiah for their wonderful love and their wonderful deeds. Halleluyah!
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Also see:

Did Jesus Raise Himself From the Dead?
A Restoration Light Publication

dont worry about me i believe that yahweh raised jesus . i believe that jesus is yahweh. jesus even said that YOU destroy this temple and in three days I wlil raise it up.

Jesus is the father. very simple. in the bible it says the father raised jesus it also says that he raised himself and also that the holy spirit raised him. do you not see that God has revaled himself in three manifestations to mankind, as the father son and holy spirit.

have you been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of you sins?

 

[Frank4YAHWEH]

dont worry about me i believe that yahweh raised jesus . i believe that jesus is yahweh. jesus even said that YOU destroy this temple and in three days I wlil raise it up.

Jesus is the father. very simple. in the bible it says the father raised jesus it also says that he raised himself and also that the holy spirit raised him. do you not see that God has revaled himself in three manifestations to mankind, as the father son and holy spirit.

have you been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of you sins?

Nowhere in Scripture will you ever find it said "Jesus is the Father.". You will find it said in Scripture "Yahshua is the SON" though. This is what Scripture asks us to believe and to confess. Nowhere in Scripture are we ever asked to believe and confess "Jesus IS God!" or that he is "The FATHER".

 

[Frank4YAHWEH]

ELOHIM - Singular or Plural?​

By Voy Wilks​

1/4/89

Español (Spanish)

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"Elohim though a plural form, can be treated as a singular, in which case it means the one supreme deity, ... and conveys the notion of all that belongs to the concept of deity, in contrast to man (Nu. 23:19) and other created beings. It is appropriate to world–wide relationships (Gen.1:1) because there is only one supreme and true G-d, and He is a person. ... Strictly speaking, Yahweh is the only 'name' of G-d. ... Yahweh, therefore, in contrast with Elohim, is a proper noun, the name of a person, though that person is divine" (The New Bible Dictionary, by J. D. Douglas; Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Ml, 1979; pages 474, 475. Emphasis added).
Scriptures agree. Scriptures recognize only one Yahweh, one true El, one true Eloah, and one true Elohim.

There Is One Yahweh, Who Created All Things​

Ps. 83:18 "Let them know that thou alone, whose name is Yahweh, art the Most High over all the earth" (RSV).
Neh. 9:6 "Thou art Yahweh, thou alone; thou hast made the heavens, the heaven of heavens, with all their hosts, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; ..." (RSV).
Prov. 30:4 "Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son’s name? Surely you know!"

Yahweh Alone Is the One True El​

2 Sam. 22:32 "For who is El but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our Elohim?"
Isa. 43:10, 11 “You [Jacob, Israel, verse 1] are my witnesses, says Yahweh, and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no El was formed, nor shall there be any after me. I, I am Yahweh, and besides me there is no savior.”
Isa. 45:22 “For I am El and there is NO OTHER.”

Yahweh Alone Is the One True Eloah ​

Ps. 18:31 “For who is Eloah but Yahweh? And who is a rock except our Elohim?”
Ps. 114:4 "Tremble O earth, at the presence of Yahweh, at the presence of the Eloah of Jacob."

Yahweh Alone Is the One True Elohim​

Isa. 44:6 "Thus says Yahweh, the king of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of hosts: I am the first and the last; besides me there is no Elohim."
Isa. 45:5, 6 "I am Yahweh, and there is NO other, besides me there is NO Elohim; I gird you, though you do not know me that MEN MAY KNOW, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is NONE BESIDES ME. I am Yahweh, and there is NO OTHER."
Isa. 45:18 "For thus says Yahweh who created the heavens (He is Elohim!), (sic) who formed the earth and made it; ... I am Yahweh, and there is NO OTHER."
Isa. 45:21 "Who declared it of old? Was it not I, Yahweh? And there is NO OTHER EIohim besides ME a righteous El and a Savior; there is NONE BESIDES ME."

Singular Titles​

• Yahweh is the only true El (singular).
• Yahweh is the only true Eloah (singular).
• Yahweh is the only true Elohim (singular when denoting Yahweh).

When used to denote the idols of the nations, elohim is a plural word, but when used to denote Yahweh, it is a singular word – indicating his majesty and his many attributes. As is commonly known, in English there are many words used as both singular and plural in which the spelling is identical. In addition to the word elohim, the Hebrew language too contains other words which serve as both singular and plural, some of which appear below.

Waters​

Mayim #4325 (waters) appear in the text of the Old Testament about 570 times. Apparently it is always written as a plural (waters), no matter how little or how much water is spoken of. Mr. Strong comments as follows:
Mayim: Dual of a prime noun (but used in a singular sense); water …” (Emphasis added).

Heavens ​

Shamayim # 8064, “Dual from a unused singular.”
Shamayim #8064: "Plural, meaning heaven (from an unused singular)" (Gesenius Hebrew Lexicon). Only the plural appears in Scriptures, translated both heaven and heavens.

Face(s)​

Paniym #6440: "Plural (but always as singular) of an unused noun" (Strong's Concordance).
"And Yahweh spake unto Moses face to face as a man speaketh to his friend" (Ex. 33:11 KJV). The Hebrew reads, "panim el panim;" two plurals as if both Moses and Yahweh each had two or more faces. Panim: always written in the plural, even when referring to only one face (Theoloqical Word Book of the O.T., by Harris, Archer, & Waltke; Moody Press, Chicago; 1980, #1782a).

From Him – From Us​

In the Hebrew language there is a word which can mean either "from him" or "from us.” Written identically in either case, only its use in the sentence determines which meaning is intended; him or us (A Practical Grammar for Classical Hebrew, by J. Weingreen, M.A., Ph. D., 2nd Edition; Oxford University Press, NY; #33).
This can be confirmed in the NIV Interlinear Hebrew/English O.T. by comparing Gen. 3:3, 4, 10, 18 with Gen. 3:22).

English Words​

Many English words are used both in the singular and in plural sense; such as off-spring and you. Some of these end with "S" but can mean one or more, while others have no "S" but can mean one or more; either singular or plural. As a reminder of this truth, here is listed only a few such words.
Tweezers
Deer
Cotton
Spanish
Scissors
Sheep
Wheat
Wendish
Pliers
Moose
Barley
Chinese
Plants
Caribou
Corn
Sioux
Trousers
Squid
Okra
Cheyenne

Personal Pronouns Make Elohim Singular​

Rarely do plural pronouns accompany the title Elohim when it refers to the Supreme Being, while in thousands of Scriptures Elohim is shown to be singular by its accompanying singular, personal pronouns: I, me, mine, my, myself, he, his, him, himself, etc, (underlined in the Scriptures noted above). For examples, let us examine the testimony of men who knew – men well acquainted with Elohim and with the Hebrew language – King David and the Prophet Isaiah.
David wrote a song in praise to Yahweh, calling him both El and Elohim. More than 35 times in this song, singular pronouns accompany these titles (2 Sam. 22). Isaiah does the same. More than 40 times in chapters 45 and 46 Isaiah uses singular, personal pronouns with Yahweh/Elohim, indicating this title is indeed singular when it denotes the one, true Yahweh.
"Remember this and consider, recall it to mind, you transgressors, remember the former things of old; for I am El, and there is no other; I am Elohim, and-there is none like me, … (Isa. 46:9).

Elohim – Not A Dual Deity​

There is another word which emphatically points out that Elohim is one person, not two, three, or a dozen. This word is ONE. Many times Yahweh/Elohim is called "the holy one of Israel, "the Mighty one of hosts, etc. Let us at this time review a few of these references.
"Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our Elohim is ONE Yahweh; and you shall love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might" (Deut. 6:4, 5).
"For your Maker is your husband Yahweh of hosts is his name; and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer, the Elohim of the whole earth he is called" (Isa. 54:5).
"And one of the scribes came, and ... asked him, What commandment is first of all? Yahshua answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; Yahweh is our Elohim, Yahweh is ONE: and you shall love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. ... And the scribe said to him, Of a truth, Teacher, you have well said that he is ONE; and there is NONE other but HE: and to love him with all the heart, ... And When Yahshua saw that he answered discreetly, he said to him, You are not far from the kingdom of Yahweh" (Mk.12:28-34 B.E.).
The word which is translated one is from the Hebrew word echad, a number, as in one, two, three, etc. Used as it is in Scriptures, this little word tells us what has been pointed out above – that Elohim is singular (one person), when referring to Yahweh. Other helping words, "I am (instead of "we are"); "Elohim is" (instead of "Elohim are"); etc., tell us there is (1) only one Yahweh, and (2) only one true Elohim.

The Witch of Endor​

When King Saul was in desperate trouble, he visited the witch of Endor who, to her own astonishment, brought up an apparition of the Prophet Samuel. Saul asked her, " ... what sawest thou? I saw gods [elohim] ascending out of the earth. And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; … And Saul perceived it was Samuel, ..." (1 Sam. 28:13,14 KJV).
This account is helpful because it reveals that elohim, though technically a plural word, sometimes indicates only one person. This elohim was "he," not they or them. "An old man," instead of "old men" tells us, as noted above, that elohim, though generally a plural word, is sometimes used in the singular sense. Please notice other Scriptures in which the plural elohim refers to only one god (an idol), and even a goddess.
"Will you not possess what Chemosh your god [elohim] gives you to possess?" (Jude11:24).
" ... Go, inquire of Baalzebub, the god [elohim] of Ekron, whether I shall recover from this sickness" (2 Kings 1:2).
"For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess [elohim] of the Sidonians, ..." (1Kings 11:5).
As indicated below, reference books tell us that Elohim, when referring to the Supreme Being, denotes only one person.
"The two essential and personal names of G-d in the Hebrew Scriptures are Elohim and Jehovah (more correctly Yahweh); the former calling attention to the fullness of divine power, the latter meaning – "He who is," and thus declaring the divine "Self-existence". G-ds (Hebrew = elohim): This term for deity is used in a threefold sense of the One True G-d in the plural of majesty or excellence" (Unqer's Bible Dictionary, by Merrill F. Unger, 3rd Edition; Moody Press, Chicago; 1981, Article: G-d, pages 409-411).
Elohim: "... the singular form [Eloah] is only used in poetry and in the later Hebrew; Elohim, the plural of majesty occurs, on the other hand, more than 2,000 times" (Gesenius' Hebrew Lexicon of the Old Testament, by H. W. F. Gesenius; Baker Book House, 1979, Grand Rapids, MI; page 49, #430, 433).
"Elohim. G-d, gods, judges, angels. ... The plural ending is usually described as a plural of majesty and not intended as a true plural when used of G-d. This is seen in the fact that the noun 'elohim is consistently used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular. ... The term occurs in the general sense of deity some 2,570 times. Yet, as Pope has indicated, it is difficult to detect any discrepancy in use between the forms 'el, 'eloah, and 'elohim" (Theological Word Book of the Old Testament, by Harris, Archer, & Waltke; Moody Press, Chicago; 1980, Vol. 1; Article: Elohim; page 44, #93c).
"Elohim (eh lo him), is a name used in the Old Testament for G-d. It is the plural form of the Hebrew word Eloah (G-d). Elohim means the plural majesty of the ONE G-d. The word is found in the first sentence of the Bible, 'In the beginning G-d (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth;' Gen. 1:1" (The World Book Encyclopedia, Vol. 6; 1981, Page 194).
"The first form of the divine [title] in the Bible is Elohim, ... It is one of a group of words, to which belong EL and Eloah. Its form is plural, but the construction is uniformly singular, that is, it governs a singular verb or adjective, unless used of heathen divinities (Ps. 96:5; 97:7). It is characteristic of Hebrew that extension, and dignity, [as well as multiplicity], * are expressed by the plural. It is not reasonable, therefore, to assume that plurality of form indicates primitive Semitic polytheism. On the contrary, historic Hebrew is unquestionably and uniformly monotheistic. … It is the reasonable conclusion

• That the meaning is "might" or "power."
• That it is common to Semitic language;
• That the form is plural to express majesty or all-mightiness , and
• That it is a generic [term], rather than a specific name ..." (The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Eerdmans Publishing Company; 1984, Vol. 2; Article: G-d; Subtitle, Elohim, page 1265). (Emphasis have been added throughout this article).

Elohim: used as a singular noun when referring to the one and only Yahweh – the unique Yahweh. Let us praise him as one – Elohim – Yahweh.

*The bracketed phrase was included to lend support to the doctrine of the Trinity, so it need not be taken seriously.
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[zackabba]

Yes, I am very serious! Again, nowhere in Revelation is it ever said "Yahshua is given the same type of worship as the Father." and you have yet to show me where it SAYS such foolishness.

Word Studies On Worship
(shachah, latreuo, and proskuneo)

...well, I'm out. You got me there, Frank - being worshiped on the same level as God does not make you God.

 

[MosheMayim]

Hear Oh Yisrael, YHWH is Elohim, YHWH is echad. Yahshua (Jesus) actually has the name of YHWH in His name, YAH. Yahshua = Yah Saves. Go read Genesis chapter 18 and read the story. 3 men come to the Abraham's tent. Abraham calls one of them YHWH. YHWH actually dines with him. 2 men (angels) head on to Sodom while YHWH remains behind to talk further with Abraham. In Chapter 19, YHWH rains fire and brimstone from YHWH in the Heavens. This YHWH is actually a pre-incarnate visitation of YHWH the son. The original word for Lord is YHWH. YHWH is ONE. Isaiah 43:10 states that there was no EL (God) formed before me nor any after me. This is YHWH speaking. So many more passages that show YHWH the Son at work. Yahshua also tells us in John that He and the Father are one. Echad = compound unity and that He came out from the Father. I hope these things cause you to thirst for more. The bible is packed with clues that show Yahshua is YHWH who is Elohim (Gods) plural, but still one. YHWH Bless you. If you are at all able, try to find a copy of the (Restoration Scriptures True Name Edition Study Bible). Once the true name of YHWH is put back where it is supposed to be, the Godhead becomes clearer. I do not believe in the Trinity Doctrine but that YHWH Elohim is still ONE which means the Son Yahshua is equal to and in the Abba YHWH and that He has come out from HIM. The Ruach HaKodesh (Set Apart Spirit) is actually the Spirit of YHWH who is Spirit and comes out from the Abba. There is also n online translation that puts the true name of YHWH back into the scriptures from where it was removed long ago. Here is the site: The Scriptures There is a box at the top for choosing the books of the bible by chapters. This will get you well on your way to understanding who the Son is. YHWH Bless you.

 

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Hear Oh Yisrael, YHWH is Elohim, YHWH is echad. Yahshua (Jesus) actually has the name of YHWH in His name, YAH. Yahshua = Yah Saves. Go read Genesis chapter 18 and read the story. 3 men come to the Abraham's tent. Abraham calls one of them YHWH. YHWH actually dines with him. 2 men (angels) head on to Sodom while YHWH remains behind to talk further with Abraham. In Chapter 19, YHWH rains fire and brimstone from YHWH in the Heavens. This YHWH is actually a pre-incarnate visitation of YHWH the son. The original word for Lord is YHWH. YHWH is ONE. Isaiah 43:10 states that there was no EL (God) formed before me nor any after me. This is YHWH speaking. So many more passages that show YHWH the Son at work. Yahshua also tells us in John that He and the Father are one. Echad = compound unity and that He came out from the Father. I hope these things cause you to thirst for more. The bible is packed with clues that show Yahshua is YHWH who is Elohim (Gods) plural, but still one. YHWH Bless you. If you are at all able, try to find a copy of the (Restoration Scriptures True Name Edition Study Bible). Once the true name of YHWH is put back where it is supposed to be, the Godhead becomes clearer. I do not believe in the Trinity Doctrine but that YHWH Elohim is still ONE which means the Son Yahshua is equal to and in the Abba YHWH and that He has come out from HIM. The Ruach HaKodesh (Set Apart Spirit) is actually the Spirit of YHWH who is Spirit and comes out from the Abba. There is also n online translation that puts the true name of YHWH back into the scriptures from where it was removed long ago. Here is the site: The Scriptures There is a box at the top for choosing the books of the bible by chapters. This will get you well on your way to understanding who the Son is. YHWH Bless you.

HEAR, O ISRAEL; YAHWEH OUR ELOHIM IS TWO YAHWEHS - This Is Never Found In Scriptures 9/11/2001

The claim is made that two Yahwehs exist. If this is true, we should be able to find at least one Scripture which reads as follows:

"Hear, O Israel; Yahweh our Elohim is TWO Yahwehs."

We do not find this in Scriptures. Instead, we find "Yahweh our Elohim is One Yahweh."
The word is echad, a carnal number as in one, two, three etc, meaning one (o-n-e). Again, no Scripture states there exist two Yahwehs; none, not one, zero. But if two Yahweh's do exist, would it not have been just as easy for Moses to have written, "Yahweh our Elohim is two Yahwehs?" Indeed it would. But we have no such Scripture. Instead we find that only one Yahweh exist:

"Hear, O Israel; Yahweh our Elohim is one Yahweh" (Deut. 6:4).

But perhaps I have overlooked a Scripture that reads, "We are two Yahwehs." So now, I respectfully request that we make an exchange: Let the Duelist give me just one Biblical verse which clearly states there exist two Yahwehs. If true, there should be at least one verse in the Bible which clearly declares this to be true. I do not ask for assumptions which are sometimes presented, such as Ge. 19:24; Ex. 23:20,21; Jos. 5:13-15). I ask for a single verse, a single declaration which reads as follows, or similar:

"I am [or, 'We are'] two Yahwehs."

Until such a Scripture is found, we can only assume two Yahwehs exist, just as some assume a Trinity exists.

In return, I will give several Biblical Scriptures which clearly state there exist only one true Yahweh, as follows:

Deu. 4:35. "... that you may know that Yahweh is Elohim; there is no other besides him" (RSV)

Note: When referring to Yahweh, the title Elohim usually appears with singular pronouns, indicating the word Elohim is to be taken as singular; I, he, his, me, mine, etc. See [or ask for] our papers, "Elohim: One or More Than One?," and "Elohim: Singular Or Plural?"

Deu. 4:39. "... know therefore this day, and lay it to your heart, that Yahweh is Elohim in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other."

Deu. 6:4. "Hear O Israel: Yahweh our Elohim is one Yahweh; ..."

Neh. 9:6. "And Ezra said, Thou art Yahweh, thou alone; thou hast made heaven, the heavens of heavens, with all their hosts; the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them, and thou preservest them ..." (KJV).

Ps. 83:18. "Let them know that thou alone, whose name is Yahweh, art the Most High over all the earth." This would be the Father, the only Yahweh who exists.

Isa. 43:14. "Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, the holy one [not the holy two or holy ones] of Israel."

Isa. 44:24. "Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer who formed you from the womb: I am Yahweh who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth - who was with me?"

No one was with him; no other Yahweh, no other Deity.

Isa. 45:5. "I am Yahweh, and there is NO OTHER, besides me [except for me], there is no Elohim, ..."

Isa. 45:6. "... that men may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am [not, 'we are'] Yahweh and THERE IS NO OTHER."

James 2:19. "Thou believest that there is one Yahweh, thou doest well; the devils also believe and tremble" (The Holt Bible).

Many more Scriptures could be cited showing there is only one Yahweh.

Let us base our faith on the words of the one true Yahweh, the Creator, not on traditions of men.

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[MosheMayim]

I wasn't able to get these verses in: Zechariah chapter 12: 9-10, The I in both verses is YHWH speaking and the one pierced (Me) is the same one speaking. YHWH was crucified. Zechariah 14: 2-5 shows YHWH returning to fight for Jerusalem and coming to the Mount of Olives where Jesus said he will return when He comes back. Jesus is also YHWH. This is YHWH speaking in both of these passages. The name of the God of the Hebrews is YHWH.

 

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Are There Two Yahwehs?
By Jose A. Alvarez
Box 7593, Sunny Isles
St. Croix, V.I. 00820

Some of my brethren say there are two Yahwehs mentioned in the Bible. I have wondered what is the reason for this teaching. What is it they wish to prove? That Yahshua pre-existed? If so, there are better ways to prove that. That Yahshua was mighty? No question about that. Then why insist on affirming this strange doctrine? Even though this view is not biblical, Gen. 19:24 is used as a prime Scripture.

"Then YAHWEH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone a fire from YAHWEH out of heaven, ..." (All quotations are from the New American Standard Bible).

From this it is concluded that there are two Yahwehs, one in heaven and one on earth. Obviously, this is only a Hebrew idiom, meaning only that Yahweh rained fire and brimstone from heaven. Similar or identical examples can be found in Scripture, some of which I now call to your attention.

* "And the SPIRIT lifted me up and brought me in a vision by the SPIRIT of Elohim to the exiles in Chaldea" (Ezek. 11:24). How many Spirits are here?

* "Then he [Yahweh] said to Moses, 'Come up to YAHWEH, you and Aaron ..." (Ex. 24:1). Question: Were there two Yahwehs before Moses? If so, BOTH Yahwehs contacted mankind; something which the first Yahweh was NEVER supposed to have done, we are told.

* "... And YAHWEH said to Him, ... 'But I will ... deliver them ... by YAHWEH their Elohim'" (Hosea 1:6,7).

* "'And I will strengthen them in YAHWEH, and in his name they shall walk,' declares YAHWEH" (Zech 10:12).

* "Then SOLOMON assembled the elders ... to king SOLOMON in Jerusalem" (1Kgs. 8:1).

In Hebrew this reads, "Az yakhel Shelomoh eth-zikney ... el-hammelek Shelomoh Yerushalaim."

Let me ask: How many Solomns are mentioned in this verse? Only ONE, of course. There is no way that we can avoid the fact that the statements in the above Scruiptures are Hebrew idioms which are similar or identical to the idiom used in Gen. 19:24. In view of this evidence, I beg all sincere Bible students to discontinue faith in two Yahwehs. This is against the elemental principles of the Bible, and is completely against the uniqueness of Yahweh. Let us go back to the "old paths" in which Yahweh is truely ONE.

"Thou alone art Yahweh" (Neh. 9:6).

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GENESIS 19:24 - TWO YAHWEHS?

"Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD <<out of heaven>>" (Gen 19:24, KJV).

The words in brackets, <<out of heaven>> are doubful, indicated by the following witnesses:

"Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh" (Gen. 19:24, Jerusalem Bible).

Footnote""f. Here a gloss adds 'from heaven.'"

Note: A gloss is a marginal comment which eventually shows up in the main text.

"Suddenly the LORD rained burning sulfur on the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and destroyed them ..." (Gen 19:24, Good News Bible).

As does the Good News Bible, the following versions omit the second mention of Yahweh.

"And then the LORD rained down fire and brimstone from the skies of Sodom and Gomorrah" (Gen. 19:24, The New English Bible).

"The LORD sent a rain of burning sulfur down from the sky on Sodom and Gomorrah and destoyed those cities" (Gen. 19:24, The New Century Version, 1991).

"Then the Lord sent fire and flaming smoke raining down from heaven on Sodom and Gomorrah" (Gen 19:24, Smith & Goodspeed Translation).

Conclusion

It is now apparent that we cannot be justified in proclaiming two Yahwehs from the evidence given in Genesis 19:24.

Also see:

HEAR, O ISRAEL; YAHWEH OUR ELOHIM IS TWO YAHWEHS
This Is Never Found In Scriptures 9/11/2001

 

[Frank4YAHWEH]

What about Zecharyah 3:9?
Note The Translations Below

Nowhere in any translation of Scripture does it ever say that there are two Yahwehs. This is in agreement with Scripture as a whole in it's saying that there is only one Yahweh and that there is no other beside Him. Actually, in accordance with the context of the book of Zecharyah and the Scripture as a whole, it is the Heavenly messengers (malakim ["angels"]) of Yahweh that is speaking in and coming in Father Yahweh's Name to the prophets of old who in turn also spoke in and came in His Name, just as His son, the prophet and human messenger Yahshua spoke in and came in this last time period in his and our Heavenly Father and Creator's Name.

And the angel of the LORD said to Satan, "May the LORD rebuke you, Satan; may the LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! (The New American Bible - The New Catholic Translation)

The LORD said to Satan, "I, the LORD, silence you, Satan! I, the LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, silence you! Isn't this man like a burning log snatched from a fire?" (Zechariah 3:2 - GOD'S WORD Translation 1955; Also cf. New Living Translation 2007)

And the LORD said to Satan, "I the LORD, reject your accusations, Satan. (The New Living Translation)

1. And he showed me High Priest Joshua standing before Jehovah's angel, and the Adversary standing at his right to be adversary to him. 2. And He said to the Adversary "Jehovah rebuke you, Adversary, Jehovah that chooses Jerusalem rebuke you - ... (The Bible in Living English - Translated by Steven T. Byington).

Then [the angel of] Jehovah said to Satan, yes, Jehovah rebuke you, he who is choosing Jerusalem! (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

Then he showed me Josue the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, while Satan stood at his right hand to accuse him. And the angel of the Lord said to Satan, "May the Lord rebuke you Satan; ... (The Holy Bible - Confraternity Version)

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HEAR, O ISRAEL; YAHWEH OUR ELOHIM IS TWO YAHWEHS
This Is Never Found In Scriptures 9/11/2001

 

[priya]

Many religious people say that Jesus is God. Some claim that God is a Trinity. According to this teaching, “the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.” It is held that the three “are co-eternal and co-equal.” (The Catholic Encyclopedia) Are such views correct?
Jehovah God is the Creator. (Revelation 4:11) He is without beginning or end, and he is almighty. (Psalm 90:2) Jesus, on the other hand, had a beginning. (Colossians 1:15, 16) Referring to God as his Father, Jesus said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Jesus also explained that there were some things neither he nor the angels knew but that were known only by his Father.—Mark 13:32.
Moreover, Jesus prayed to his Father: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) To whom was Jesus praying if not to a superior Personage? Furthermore, it was God who resurrected Jesus from the dead, not Jesus himself. (Acts 2:32) Obviously, the Father and the Son were not equal before Jesus came to the earth or during his earthly life. What about after Jesus’ resurrection to heaven? First Corinthians 11:3 states: “The head of the Christ is God.” In fact, the Son will always be in subjection to God. (1 Corinthians 15:28) The Scriptures therefore show that Jesus is not God Almighty. Instead, he is God’s Son.
The so-called third person of the Trinity—the holy spirit—is not a person. Addressing God in prayer, the psalmist said: “If you send forth your spirit, they are created.” (Psalm 104:30) This spirit is not God himself; it is an active force that he sends forth or uses to accomplish whatever he wishes. By means of it, God created the physical heavens, the earth, and all living things. (Genesis 1:2; Psalm 33:6) God used his holy spirit to inspire the men who wrote the Bible. (2 Peter 1:20, 21) The Trinity, then, is not a Scriptural teaching.* “Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,” says the Bible.—Deuteronomy 6:4.

 

[zackabba]

Many religious people say that Jesus is God.

Actually, only Christians do.

Some claim that God is a Trinity.

Yes, only Christians do.

According to this teaching, &#8220;the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God.&#8221; It is held that the three &#8220;are co-eternal and co-equal.&#8221; (The Catholic Encyclopedia) Are such views correct?

Well let's see!

Jehovah God is the Creator. (Revelation 4:11) He is without beginning or end, and he is almighty. (Psalm 90:2)

Jesus is the Creator as well (Hebrews 1:10, Colossians 1:15-20, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Romans 11:36).

Jesus, on the other hand, had a beginning. (Colossians 1:15, 16)

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For [through] Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities&#8212;all things have been created through Him and for Him. (Colossians 1:15, 16)

For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things.... (Romans 11:36)

I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth (referring to David). (Psalm 89:27 - same in NWT)

1. "firstborn" just means what the context of Psalm 89 says - "The highest of the kings of the earth." It doesn't mean "first created."

2. Romans 11:36 says that all things are from, through, and to God. Colossians says that all things have been created through and for Christ, the Son.

Think about this - if the Son was created, and if all things, whether visible or invisible, were created through Him, then how was He created?


Referring to God as his Father, Jesus said: &#8220;The Father is greater than I am.&#8221; (John 14:28) Jesus also explained that there were some things neither he nor the angels knew but that were known only by his Father.&#8212;Mark 13:32.

Look at the context: "You heard that I said to you, &#8216;I go away, and I will come to you.&#8217; If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." (John 14:28)

Jesus was going to the Father because the Father was greater than Him in authority. It wouldn't make sense if it said that the Father was going to Jesus, would it?

A discussion of their essential equality wouldn't fit into the context - their authoritative equality, however, does.

For example, if I said "I am going to the boss, for the boss is greater than I," you wouldn't assume that the boss was then greater than me as a person just because I was going to him. No - you would say "Oh, he's going up to the boss because he is of lower authority than him."

Moreover, Jesus prayed to his Father: &#8220;Let, not my will, but yours take place.&#8221; (Luke 22:42) To whom was Jesus praying if not to a superior Personage?

That's just what Christians say, though - He prayed to the Father, who was and is superior to Him. Not as a person, however, but as an authority.

Furthermore, it was God who resurrected Jesus from the dead, not Jesus himself. (Acts 2:32)

Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days." (John 2:19)

Obviously, the Father and the Son were not equal before Jesus came to the earth or during his earthly life.

Philippians 2:5-11, John 8:58, John 17:5

What about after Jesus&#8217; resurrection to heaven? First Corinthians 11:3 states: &#8220;The head of the Christ is God.&#8221; In fact, the Son will always be in subjection to God. (1 Corinthians 15:28) The Scriptures therefore show that Jesus is not God Almighty. Instead, he is God&#8217;s Son.

The Father is greater in authority, and always will be, than Jesus. Nowhere does the Bible say He's greater in being.

The so-called third person of the Trinity&#8212;the holy spirit&#8212;is not a person. Addressing God in prayer, the psalmist said: &#8220;If you send forth your spirit, they are created.&#8221; (Psalm 104:30) This spirit is not God himself; it is an active force that he sends forth or uses to accomplish whatever he wishes. By means of it, God created the physical heavens, the earth, and all living things. (Genesis 1:2; Psalm 33:6) God used his holy spirit to inspire the men who wrote the Bible. (2 Peter 1:20, 21) The Trinity, then, is not a Scriptural teaching.

1 However, a certain man, An·a·ni´as by name, together with Sap·phi´ra his wife, sold a possession 2 and secretly held back some of the price, his wife also knowing about it, and he brought just a part and deposited it at the feet of the apostles. 3 But Peter said: &#8220;An·a·ni´as, why has Satan emboldened you to play false to the holy spirit and to hold back secretly some of the price of the field? 4 As long as it remained with you did it not remain yours, and after it was sold did it not continue in your control? Why was it that you purposed such a deed as this in your heart? You have played false, not to men, but to God. (Acts 5:1-4, New World Translation)&#8221;

* &#8220;Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,&#8221; says the Bible.&#8212;Deuteronomy 6:4.

Yes - He's one Lord and one God.

Jesus is "my Lord and my God"! (John 20:28)




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[pentecostal]

Many religious people say that Jesus is God.

Actually, only Christians do.

Some claim that God is a Trinity.

Yes, only Christians do.



1 However, a certain man, An·a·ni´as by name, together with Sap·phi´ra his wife, sold a possession 2 and secretly held back some of the price, his wife also knowing about it, and he brought just a part and deposited it at the feet of the apostles. 3 But Peter said: “An·a·ni´as, why has Satan emboldened you to play false to the holy spirit and to hold back secretly some of the price of the field? 4 As long as it remained with you did it not remain yours, and after it was sold did it not continue in your control? Why was it that you purposed such a deed as this in your heart? You have played false, not to men, but to God. (Acts 5:1-4, New World Translation)”

* “Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,” says the Bible.—Deuteronomy 6:4.[

i would say that people that believe that God is a trinity are false followers of Christ


just like you quoted YHWH is one God, not three in one or three distinct persons that make up the one God

 

[Grandpa]

i would say that people that believe that God is a trinity are false followers of Christ


just like you quoted YHWH is one God, not three in one or three distinct persons that make up the one God

I would say that any mans attempt to explain God will probably fall woefully short.

God has shown us some aspects of Himself. I am glad for that.

 

[JaumeJ]

what is this about Jesus being God and three persons etc.
Im a follower of Jesus christ and have read the bible and I hear people saying Jesus is God why?????

please explain short and clearly,with scripture proof.

thank you.

You say you have read the Bible, and you do not know that Jesus Christ is God? Incredible. Reread John 1, then go to Isaiah and read it all..........it is not the entire Bible, but it is enough to know Jesus Christ is God. May Jesus bless your endeavor, amen.

 

[zackabba]

i would say that people that believe that God is a trinity are false followers of Christ


just like you quoted YHWH is one God, not three in one or three distinct persons that make up the one God

What's with the attack out of nowhere? I wasn't addressing this to you.

I wouldn't say that you are a false follower of Christ, pentecostal, nor would I call any Oneness follower. Do you remember what Jesus said? He said to treat others how you want to be treated - do you want me to say you're a false follower of Christ?

Of course not.

And just like Grandpa said, we truly will never know all of the depths of God. We can comprehend Him only as far as our human mind allows us (which is not far at all).

The Bible, according to my limited, human understanding, presents God as being one being, yet three different persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


Could I be wrong? Yep. But Christ still died for me, and I am still God's child, and the seal of the Spirit won't be broken off of me - God will make sure of that.

I am strongly opposed to those who deny the deity of Christ, but I cannot even definitely say that they're not saved. Christ is still the only Way to God, and there is a hell, and those who do not believe in Him will be eternally lost - I just cannot take the plunge to say that those who deny He is God will be going there. I'm not the Judge over them, for there is only one Judge, and that Judge is God.




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[zackabba]

I would say that any mans attempt to explain God will probably fall woefully short.

God has shown us some aspects of Himself. I am glad for that.

Amen Amen.



Grace and Love

 

[pentecostal]

I would say that any mans attempt to explain God will probably fall woefully short.

God has shown us some aspects of Himself. I am glad for that.

no one can explain who God is , tits to much for the human brain to handle . what we do know is what is in the bible, he has revealed his name and shown his love to us . by reading the scriptures we can know more about him , (which is what he wants us to know about him, the rest will all be revealed in heaven)

 

[pentecostal]

What's with the attack out of nowhere? I wasn't addressing this to you.

I wouldn't say that you are a false follower of Christ, pentecostal, nor would I call any Oneness follower. Do you remember what Jesus said? He said to treat others how you want to be treated - do you want me to say you're a false follower of Christ?

Of course not.

And just like Grandpa said, we truly will never know all of the depths of God. We can comprehend Him only as far as our human mind allows us (which is not far at all).

The Bible, according to my limited, human understanding, presents God as being one being, yet three different persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


Could I be wrong? Yep. But Christ still died for me, and I am still God's child, and the seal of the Spirit won't be broken off of me - God will make sure of that.

I am strongly opposed to those who deny the deity of Christ, but I cannot even definitely say that they're not saved. Christ is still the only Way to God, and there is a hell, and those who do not believe in Him will be eternally lost - I just cannot take the plunge to say that those who deny He is God will be going there. I'm not the Judge over them, for there is only one Judge, and that Judge is God.
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these are not my words but the words of jesus, he said if you do not follow my teachings you are not my follower, jesus never taught about the trinity ok.

yes we wont know the depths of God but we can get enough from the bible to come the the conclusion that God is not a trinity he is one not three .

God is not a person. nor do three person make up God. understand what Deuteronomy 6:4 says.

i do not deny the deity but support it. jesus is my saviour and God THEEE ALMIGHTY GOD. there is no distinction

did i say that you will be not saved?

i am simply saying that jesus did not teach about the trinity so WHY teach something that jesus did not even instruct us to do

he told us to preach and baptize in the name of the father the son and holy spirit and what is that name ? well itsts jesus christ

 

[zackabba]

these are not my words but the words of jesus, he said if you do not follow my teachings you are not my follower, jesus never taught about the trinity ok.

And did He ever say that there was no Trinity?

yes we wont know the depths of God but we can get enough from the bible to come the the conclusion that God is not a trinity he is one not three .

You can come to that conclusion, not we. My conclusion is that we can come ultimately come away with the fact that God is God, and we are not. After that, I see that the Father sent the Son, who, along with His Father and our Father, sent His Holy Spirit into our hearts once we believed.

God is not a person. nor do three person make up God. understand what Deuteronomy 6:4 says.

"Hear O Israel, the LORD our God, the Lord is one."

Yes...one person? One being? Doesn't say, does it?

i do not deny the deity but support it. jesus is my saviour and God THEEE ALMIGHTY GOD. there is no distinction

I know you don't - there are some here that do, however - I was addressing it to them. Sorry for not making that clear.

did i say that you will be not saved?

Um, well, usually when you say another is "not a follower," that means yes.

i am simply saying that jesus did not teach about the trinity so WHY teach something that jesus did not even instruct us to do
he told us to preach and baptize in the name of the father the son and holy spirit and what is that name ? well itsts jesus christ

That's your interpretation. How I see it, it's clear that the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is one name - that name is YHWH, God.



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