Mark 16:9

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3 days and 3 nights began on thursday night when Jesus was taken.
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Jesus was dead for three days and three nights.

Mat 12:40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
 
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Jesus was dead for three days and three nights.

Mat 12:40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
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Jerusalem is the heart of the earth it is in the midst of the nations
Ezekiel 5:5
(5) Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.

The three days and three nights includes His betrayal, and sufferings
Luke 18:31-33
(31) Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
(32) For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
(33) And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

Jesus was betrayed on Thursday night and rose on Sunday morning making it three days and three nights.

 
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Jerusalem is the heart of the earth it is in the midst of the nations
Ezekiel 5:5
(5) Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.

The three days and three nights includes His betrayal, and sufferings
Luke 18:31-33
(31) Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
(32) For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
(33) And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

Jesus was betrayed on Thursday night and rose on Sunday morning making it three days and three nights.

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The heart of the earth means the grave. Jesus was dead three days and three nights.
 
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The heart of the earth means the grave. Jesus was dead three days and three nights.
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Yup. That's the clearest interpretation.

One thing I'm curious about though is the wording of the prophecy of his death and resurrection. It says that he had to spend three days and three nights in the tomb and yet also says that he would be raised the third day. This seems at first glance to mean that the third day would not be a full day but a portion of a day since he would be raised during the day and not spend a full day in the tomb. Your thoughts?
 
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A poster on another thread, the topic of which was questioning the authenticity of the last 12 verses in the book of Mark, wrote that it doesn’t really matter because there is no doctrinal teaching in Mark 16:9-20 that cannot be proved elsewhere in agreed Scripture.
　
I made the mistake of sticking my nose into the discussion by pointing out that actually there is a statement in verse 9, as the KJV and similar versions have it, that is used for a doctrinal teaching that is to be found nowhere else in Scripture. As the KJV translates it, it is the only place that puts the resurrection on the first day of the week. I then suggested that whenever the discussion of seventh day observance versus first day observance comes up, first day proponents usually use the idea of a first day resurrection to justify the change, and when questioned about the day of resurrection, quote Mark 16:9. The poster came back with: "Quote a published author who has done that." - I have not yet been able to come up with one. Does anyone here know of one?
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has done what? used Mark 16: 9 to explain why Sunday is the day of worship for Christians?

well here are some websites..

SUNDAY WORSHIP - Why do most Christians worship on Sunday when the Old Testament commandment sets apart Saturday as the day of worship? ? ChristianAnswers.Net

Still others Christians would say that we no longer observe the Jewish sabbath, but worship instead on Sunday, a distinctively Christian holy day. They argue that the early church very soon began meeting on Sunday in honor of the resurrection of Jesus, which took place on the first day of the week.
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Why worship on Sunday? - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

"Sunday, the day of Christ’s resurrection and of the appearances to the disciples by the crucified and risen Christ, is the primary day on which Christians gather to worship. Within this assembly, the Word is read and preached and the sacraments are celebrated." The Use of the Means of Grace: A Statement on the Practice of Word and Sacrament, principle 6
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and there are more but i'm not sure that was your question.
 
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according to the earliest christian writings...such as the letter of the apostle john's follower ignatius of antioch to the magnesians...christians had replaced saturday with sunday as early as the late first century AD...while john was still alive...

you would think if this posed a doctrinal problem then john would have attacked the 'sunday christians' as much as he opposed the gnostics and 'proto clergy' in his writings...or that his student would never have defended the replacement saturday with sunday...
 
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Yup. That's the clearest interpretation.

One thing I'm curious about though is the wording of the prophecy of his death and resurrection. It says that he had to spend three days and three nights in the tomb and yet also says that he would be raised the third day. This seems at first glance to mean that the third day would not be a full day but a portion of a day since he would be raised during the day and not spend a full day in the tomb. Your thoughts?
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If he died at 3:00p on Wednesday and was buried before 6:00p (the start of the "high" day), the first day would be Thursday, the second Friday, and the third day would be Saturday. I believe he was raised late in the day on Saturday, 72 hours after he was buried. Whether before or after 6:00p I'm not sure....
 
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according to the earliest christian writings...such as the letter of the apostle john's follower ignatius of antioch to the magnesians...christians had replaced saturday with sunday as early as the late first century AD...while john was still alive...

you would think if this posed a doctrinal problem then john would have attacked the 'sunday christians' as much as he opposed the gnostics and 'proto clergy' in his writings...or that his student would never have defended the replacement saturday with sunday...
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What day(s) you attend church does not matter:

Col 2:16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 
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TheAristocat said:
Yup. That's the clearest interpretation.

One thing I'm curious about though is the wording of the prophecy of his death and resurrection. It says that he had to spend three days and three nights in the tomb and yet also says that he would be raised the third day. This seems at first glance to mean that the third day would not be a full day but a portion of a day since he would be raised during the day and not spend a full day in the tomb. Your thoughts?
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in the ancient hebrew usage a 'day and night' was the twenty-four hour period from sunset to sunset...or any portion of that period... it didn't have to literally mean a daytime period followed by a nighttime period...

so 'three days and three nights' does not necessarily mean seventy-two hours...seventy-two hours would be the maximum...but at a minimum it could mean as little as twenty-four hours plus two seconds...from 5:59:59 PM on friday to 6:00:01 PM on saturday...

jesus was buried for longer than that...so the biblical duration from friday afternoon to sunday morning is easily enough time for jesus to have been buried for 'three days and three nights' and rise on 'the third day'
 
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in the ancient hebrew usage a 'day and night' was the twenty-four hour period from sunset to sunset...or any portion of that period... it didn't have to literally mean a daytime period followed by a nighttime period...

so 'three days and three nights' does not necessarily mean seventy-two hours...seventy-two hours would be the maximum...but at a minimum it could mean as little as twenty-four hours plus two seconds...from 5:59:59 PM on friday to 6:00:01 PM on saturday...
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I disagree. I think people believe that to make the traditional "Good Friday" fit with the bible. A day and a night means a full day. 24 hours.

Three Days And Three Nights Or 72 Hours? | GraceThruFaith

Was Jesus in the grave for THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS?

I believe Christ was crucified on Wednesday.
 
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I disagree. I think people believe that to make the traditional "Good Friday" fit with the bible. A day and a night means a full day. 24 hours.

Three Days And Three Nights Or 72 Hours? | GraceThruFaith

Was Jesus in the grave for THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS?

I believe Christ was crucified on Wednesday.
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well it is the way days were counted by the jews back then...

the belief that jesus died on wednesday comes from not knowing how the ancient jews counted days...

actually if the crucifixion was on wednesday they you run into the same problem at the -beginning- of the week...there are not enough days to fit the biblical account...
 
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well it is the way days were counted by the jews back then...

the belief that jesus died on wednesday comes from not knowing how the ancient jews counted days...
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The belief that he died on Friday comes solely from tradition.

actually if the crucifixion was on wednesday they you run into the same problem at the -beginning- of the week...there are not enough days to fit the biblical account...
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Sure there are. If you're referring to "early the first day of the week", that is Saturday evening after 6:00p. The Jewish day started/ended at sunset.
 
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Sure there are. If you're referring to "early the first day of the week", that is Saturday evening after 6:00p. The Jewish day started/ended at sunset.
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i was talking about the week -before- the crucifixion...there aren't enough days before wednesday for jesus to do everything the gospels say he did that week...
 
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The belief that he died on Friday comes solely from tradition.


Sure there are. If you're referring to "early the first day of the week", that is Saturday evening after 6:00p. The Jewish day started/ended at sunset.
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Mark 15:42-43
(42) And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
(43) Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

Preparation day was the day before the sabbath, that is the day when Jesus died, Friday the 6th day



 
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Mark 15:42-43
(42) And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
(43) Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

Preparation day was the day before the sabbath, that is the day when Jesus died, Friday the 6th day
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That Sabbath was an high day. Passover. Not the normal weekly Sabbath.
 
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That Sabbath was an high day. Passover. Not the normal weekly Sabbath.
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As I already explained, a "high" Sabbath is not a different day of the week. It is still the Sabbath, the seventh day. It's just a special Sabbath because it happens to coincide with Passover on that particular year. It doesn't make Sabbath occur on a different day. A Jew, or a first century Christian in Israel, would never conflate the Sabbath with another holiday by calling one the other. Any attempt to make "the Sabbath" there in Mark 15 mean anything over than what it means everywhere else in the Gospels, ie the seventh day of the week, is just special pleading to avoid the obvious.
 
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As I already explained, a "high" Sabbath is not a different day of the week. It is still the Sabbath, the seventh day. It's just a special Sabbath because it happens to coincide with Passover on that particular year. It doesn't make Sabbath occur on a different day. A Jew, or a first century Christian in Israel, would never conflate the Sabbath with another holiday by calling one the other. Any attempt to make "the Sabbath" there in Mark 15 mean anything over than what it means everywhere else in the Gospels, ie the seventh day of the week, is just special pleading to avoid the obvious.
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That's like saying Christmas always occurs on Sunday rather than Dec 25th.

If I remember right (it's been awhile...) the passover was on the 15th of Nisan, regardless of the day of the week.

...and what's obvious is that you cannot get three days and three nights between Friday evening and Sunday morning.
 
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That Sabbath was an high day. Passover. Not the normal weekly Sabbath.
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the passover already happened...jesus shared the passover meal with his disciples -before- he was crucified...

the sabbath that came after the crucifixion was the weekly saturday sabbath...
 
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Please do a little more research. That is not true.


Sorry, no.
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yes it is true...look at mark 14:12-16...

"On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, 'Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?' So he sent two of his disciples, telling them, 'Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. Say to the owner of the house he enters, "The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?" He will show you a large upper room, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there.' The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover."

jesus ate the passover meal -before- he was crucified...the sabbath that came after the crucifixion was not the day of passover...it was the weekly saturday sabbath...
 
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