Has anyone advised you that we are no longer under THE LAW?
What does it mean to BELIEVE Jesus?
Did you know that even demons believe Jesus?
Christians are supposed to believe IN Jesus.
Faith or Law?
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What does it mean to BELIEVE Jesus?
Did you know that even demons believe Jesus?
Christians are supposed to believe IN Jesus.
You're being towed in Soyeong.
You shouldn't be afraid to post that we are to do good works.
It's what the NT teaches.
The Easy Believism side of the isle, a division which THEY have created since the church has always beleved in good works,
has decidedd that all we need is faith.
NO.
We need faith and we need good works.
This is what Jesus taught.
If some don't like it....then it's THEY that do not follow the teachings of Jesus.
Jesus said to ACT on His words.
Act...requires action.
That action is doing good works.
Matthew 5:16
16In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Ephesians 2:10
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works,
James 2:26
26For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
and so much more.
I saw your bait question earlier but I chose to ignore it.
You obviously have a chip on your shoulder.
It appears that you don’t understand what Soyeong is promoting. It’s not “good works” as Christians understand them; it’s following the ordinances of the old covenant law.
Please don’t encourage him.
Then do you take the position that someone is not courageous unless they have been perfectly courageous throughout their entire life? Or if someone has done one courageous thing in their life, then they can't be considered to be a coward? Is there anyone that you think is courageous?
Even if they repent?
Agreed. I did not claim that we can become saved from the penalty of our sin as the result of embodying God's character traits.
If someone were zealous for committing as much sin as they could and they were freed from any penalty for doing that, then their salvation from sin would be incomplete, so while forgiveness is part of it there is more to what saves them than just forgiveness. In Titus 2:14, it does not just say that Jesus gave himself to pay the penalty for our sins but also to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works.
THIS is a bait question in my post no. 745?
"If I tell my neighbor I'm Christian..
and then offer no help at a time of need....
this is the veracity of my faith??"
YOU said something odd about showing evidence of your faith.
I was trying to clarify this odd statement.
If you're afraid to speak about what you believe...
that's fine with me.
It just seems TO ME that if I proclaim my Christianity to a neighbor...
then I really must show them what it means to be Christian....
jesus said to
LOVE GOD
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.
I just like to do what Jesus taught.
What?
Maybe he's Jewish and not Christian.
There's someone else on this Forum that believes the same.
I find it distressing how Christianity is being chopped up into little pieces.
I attribute this to the fact that we've wandered away from THE FAITH.
Not Faith....but The Faith. I hope you know what I mean.
I'd say that some of the NT is literal and some is spiritual.
You said the NT ALWAYS concerns the spiritual.
I learned way back in high school not to use the words ALWAYS and NEVER.
(although I do confess to forgetting this rule at times).
When Jesus said that we should drink HIS water (the lady at the well) I do believe you're correct and He meant it in a spiritual way.
When Jesus says to love God and our neighbor, I believe He meant it in a literal way.
He doesn’t claim to be Jewish.
My fundamental disagreement with Soyeong is not the result of me walking away from the faith. It is far more likely that he never had it.
Yes, that is a bait question. You have an agenda to support, even if it justifying your personal views.
I don’t think it is appropriate to “love myself” by attending to my “felt needs” over and above my genuine needs. In the same way, I don’t think it is appropriate to attend to the expressed needs of others without checking with God as to whether those “needs” are genuine AND that God wants ME to meet them.
Jesus didn’t simply say Yes to everyone who approached Him with a request. Rather, He did “what He saw the Father doing”.
The genuineness of my faith is not in doing what others think I should do, but in trusting my Father and doing as He directs.
I was being sarcastic.
He wouldn't be here if he was jewish.
Some are learning odd doctrine - don't know from where.
Maybe YouTube teachers...some are legit....even though I may not agree with them...
but some are not and God only knows where they get their ideas.
Here's what I believe so you won't think I'm baiting you next time around:
We need to believe IN God. The Greek believe as was understood back then.
We need to obey God.
Obedience requires acting as Jesus would want us to...or doing good works.
In that order.
See you around.
Of course I agree with some and not with other statements.
I live in a small town.
I know if my neighbor needs some help.
I grew up in NYC but I STILL knew my neighbors and whether or not they really needed something.
Bringing our own personal experiences into theological discussion is pretty useless.
Jesus said to love our neighbor.
That means we help out if and when we can.
I don't think we need to ask Him first.
This is the theological question.
What you're expressing is personal and will not be understood by all.
BTW,,,,I don't have personal views.....except if you mean by that the fact that we all believe in something that the NT teaches....
I back up my statements with scripture.
A personal view is a post that goes on forever with no scripture.
Then,,,if our views do not match...it could always be discussed.
Jesus saves us from our sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of the Law of God (1 John 3:4), so Jesus graciously teaching us to experience being a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it, and Jesus can't save us from being doers of sin apart from us turning from being doers of sin. We show what we believe to be true about God's Word made flesh through our works by follow his example of embodying God's Word (James 2:18) and this is the way that he is our salvation. Jesus graciously teaching us to be doers of God's character traits in obedience to His law has nothing to do with adding anything to our salvation, but rather it is intrinsically part of he saving us from not being doers of it.
A child of someone is a person who is in their likeness through embodying their character traits, such as in John 8:39 saying that if they were children of Abraham then they would be doers of the same works as him. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of God, so that is what it means for him to be the Son of God and what it means for us to be born again as children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through following his example. This is why those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of God are not children of God (1 John 3:4-10) and why Paul contrast those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of God (Roman 8:4-14).
God said that man was good when He created us, so doing good works in obedience to His law is not about trying to become something other that who we are, but rather is is aligning with who God has created us to be. The Law of God came with instructions for what to do when He people sinned, so God's standard for us is not perfection. The only reason why we would need to have perfect obedience is if we are going to give ourselves to pay for the sins of the world - the rest of us can thankfully have our sins for given. There are many people who obeyed God's law in the Bible and who are described as being righteous in spite of them not having perfect obedience. Jesus lived in obedience to the Law of God, so that is the way that we also get to live when he is living in us.
In Romans 10:5-10, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith in that we proclaim in regard to the righteousness that is by faith proclaiming that the Law of God is not too difficult for us to obey. Moreover, Moses presented a choice between life and death, life and a blessing for obedient to the Law of God or death and a curse for disobedience, so choose life! In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of God was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, which is in accordance with him being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness, and which is the way to have "zoe".
When James speaks of being doers of the word (James1:22-23) and ties it to 'the perfect law of liberty" and being a 'doer of work' (James1:25) what law is he speaking of? As part of this question how does James1:18 fit into this, assuming it does?
In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God spoke to him without departing from it, so the Law of Moses is God's Word. In Psalm 19:7, the Law of Moses is perfect, in Psalm 119:45, it is of liberty, and in Psalm 119:1-3, it blesses those who obey it, so when James 1:25 speaks about the perfect law of liberty that blesses those who obey it, he was not saying anything about the Law of Moses that wasn't already said in the Psalms. The Law of Moses is truth (Psalm 119:142) and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Law of Moses that puts us into bondage while the truth sets us free. In John 17:17, it says to sanctify them in truth and that God's Word is truth.
We place all the emphasis in the spiritual reading.
Sure it's good to literally feed someone or to care for their needs.
The bottom line is the N.T is about immortality through and in Jesus Christ.
Here are a few verses that have a common word in all of them.
John 1:7
He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him.
John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
John 1:50
Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you that I saw you under the fig tree, do you believe?
You will see greater things than these.”
John 2:11
This beginning of His signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory, and His disciples believed in Him.
John 2:22
So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.
John 2:23
Now when He was in Jerusalem at the Passover, during the feast, many believed in His name, observing
His signs which He was doing.
John 3:12
If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
John 3:15
So that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall
not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because
he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life,
but the wrath of God abides on him.”
John 4:39
From that city many of the Samaritans believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified,
“He told me all the things that I have done.”
John 4:41
Many more believed because of His word.
John 4:42
And they were saying to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we
have heard for ourselves and know that this One is indeed the Saviour of the world.”
John 4:48
So Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you simply will not believe.”
John 4:50
Jesus said to him, “Go; your son lives.” The man believed the word that Jesus spoke to him and started off.
John 4:53
So the father knew that it was at that hour in which Jesus said to him, “Your son lives” ; and he himself
believed and his whole household.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does
not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 5:44
How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from
the one and only God?
John 5:46
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.
John 5:47
But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
John 6:29
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”
John 6:30
So they said to Him, “What then do You do for a sign, so that we may see, and believe You?
John 6:35
Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who
believes in Me will never thirst.
John 6:36
But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe.
John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life,
and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
John 6:64
But there are some of you who do not believe. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did
not believe, and who it was that would betray Him.
John 6:69
We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.”
John 7:38
He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”
John 7:39
But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not
yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will
die in your sins.
John 8:30
As He spoke these things, many came to believe in Him.
John 8:31
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you
are truly disciples of Mine."
John 9:38
And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him.
John 10:26
But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep.
John 10:38
But if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand
that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father.
John 10:42
Many believed in Him there.
John 11:15
And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, so that you may believe; but let us go to him.
John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,
John 11:26
And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
John 11:27
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who
comes into the world.”
John 11:40
Jesus said to her, “Did I not say to you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”
John 11:42
I knew that You always hear Me; but because of the people standing around I said it, so that
they may believe that You sent Me.
John 11:45
Therefore many of the Jews who came to Mary, and saw what He had done, believed in Him.
John 11:48
If we let Him go on like this, all men will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away
both our place and our nation.”
John 12:36
While you have the Light, believe in the Light, so that you may become sons of Light.” These things
Jesus spoke, and He went away and hid Himself from them.
John 12:38
This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet which he spoke: “Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
John 12:39
For this reason they could not believe, for Isaiah said again.
John 12:42
Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not
confessing Him, for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue;
John 12:46
I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness.
John 13:19
From now on I am telling you before it comes to pass, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am He.
John 14:1
Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me.
John 14:11
Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.
John 14:12
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works
than these he will do; because I go to the Father.
John 14:29
Now I have told you before it happens, so that when it happens, you may believe.
John 16:9
Concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me.
John 16:27
For the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father.
John 16:30
Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe
that You came from God.
John 16:31
Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe?
John 17:8
For the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood
that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me.
John 17:20
I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word.
John 17:21
That they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us,
so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
John 19:35
And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth,
so that you also may believe.
John 20:8
So the other disciple who had first come to the tomb then also entered, and he saw and believed.
John 20:25
So the other disciples were saying to him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see in
His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into
His side, I will not believe.”
John 20:29
Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
John 20:31
But these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that
believing you may have life in His name.
Acts 4:4
But many of those who had heard the message believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.
Acts 4:32
And the congregation of those who believed were of one heart and soul; and not one of them claimed
that anything belonging to him was his own, but all things were common property to them.
In James1:25 is the perfect law of liberty/freedom = to the word he commands to be doers of in James1:22-23 - and is this tied back to the implanted word able to save our souls in James1:21 - and does this tie back to the word of truth that birthed us in James1:18?