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[Standard]

Faithe, faither, and faithing, are the words the English language should have had for the translation of pisteuo, the Greek word for the verb form of faith, aka faithing.

The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does.

So pisteuo was translated into the English language as believe, believer, and believing, all very bad translations.

The correct definition of pisteuo or saving faith is a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. The mistranslated words believe, believer, and believing created a false path of thinking saving faith is just believing what Jesus did and said for salvation.

Amen... You can't just simply believe it happened.
"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well. The devils also believe — and tremble" (James 2:19).
They know who Jesus is, but have no faith; it will do them no good.... We are to follow the Lord in faith of His grandeur and promises. The big day is coming!

 

[Watchman22]

Amen... You can't just simply believe it happened.
"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well. The devils also believe — and tremble" (James 2:19).
They know who Jesus is, but have no faith; it will do them no good.... We are to follow the Lord in faith of His grandeur and promises. The big day is coming!

Hi standard,

If you get a chance, check out my rediscovering pisteuo thread about 3 to 5 pages back.

thanks for the reply.

 

[ResidentAlien]

No it doesn't! Pisteuo was mistranslated into the English language, and then it was mistranslated back out and stamped onto the Greek language.

There are a lot of Greek words that don't have an exact one-to-one translation into English. Just because pisteuó doesn't have an exact counterpart in English doesn't mean believe is a "mistranslation"; it's just one of several possible meanings.

 

[Watchman22]

There are a lot of Greek words that don't have an exact one-to-one translation into English. Just because pisteuó doesn't have an exact counterpart in English doesn't mean believe is a "mistranslation"; it's just one of several possible meanings.

The exact meaning of pisteuo from the Vines Greek dictionary is "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. "

Period!

The Greek doesn't have a neutral or middle ground concerning pisteuo. It's either a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender, pisteuo or moving towards God. Or, anything other than a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender is "Apisteuo " moving away from God.

 

[Watchman22]

There are a lot of Greek words that don't have an exact one-to-one translation into English. Just because pisteuó doesn't have an exact counterpart in English doesn't mean believe is a "mistranslation"; it's just one of several possible meanings.

To us, pisteuo is the word that communicates to us how Faith, a firm conviction, is applied to start, maintain, and complete a relationship with Christ on earth.

So for us, pisteuo is the single most important word in the Greek texts. And it was communicated to us in the English with a word thats not even in the Greek language.
It's worth talking about.

 

[ResidentAlien]

The exact meaning of pisteuo from the Vines Greek dictionary is "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. "Period!

I don't know what Vine's you're looking at, but mine says: pisteuō [4100; 660] believe, believer, commit, intrust, trust. That's on p. 742 of the Greek Word Index. Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, © 1984, 1996.

 

[Watchman22]

I don't know what Vine's you're looking at, but mine says: pisteuō [4100; 660] believe, believer, commit, intrust, trust. That's on p. 742 of the Greek Word Index. Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, © 1984, 1996.

I don't know what Vine's you're looking at, but mine says: pisteuō [4100; 660] believe, believer, commit, intrust, trust. That's on p. 742 of the Greek Word Index. Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, © 1984, 1996.

This is from the Vines Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.

The main elements in "faith" in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from "faith" in man, are especially brought out in the use of this noun and the corresponding verb, pisteuo; they are

(1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation or truth, e.g., 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12;

(2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12;

(3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Corinthians 5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context. All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good "faith" without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's "faith" was not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); his "faith" rested on God Himself, Romans 4:17, Romans 4:20-Romans 4:21.

The Strongs gives a disclaimer,
"Pisteuo means not just to believe."

I have both copies. I can't find a date for you , i have duct tape holding the binding together. But i would say pre 1980 for sure.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

To us, pisteuo is the word that communicates to us how Faith, a firm conviction, is applied to start, maintain, and complete a relationship with Christ on earth.

So for us, pisteuo is the single most important word in the Greek texts. And it was communicated to us in the English with a word thats not even in the Greek language.
It's worth talking about.

"Us" is probably a handful of people still following the teachings of Gene Scott.

 

[Watchman22]

"Us" is probably a handful of people still following the teachings of Gene Scott.

It was meant to mean the called out ones, the ekklesia.

 

[Watchman22]

"Us" is probably a handful of people still following the teachings of Gene Scott.

I do wish I had made better decisions on how I spoke with you a couple of months ago.
Maybe if i had, we could have good discourse that would exalt Jesus like i know we both want to do.