What is God doing? What is He looking for?

[Watchman22]

What is God doing?

God is trying to repopulate heaven. He is trying to replace the one third of heaven that was cast out.

What is God looking for to achieve this goal?

He is looking for those ones who will choose to follow Him. Those ones are called faithers. Faithers are the called out ones who choose to follow Him by personally surrendering their lives over to Him and living a life inspired by such surrender.

This is different than "believers" who understand the response to the call is simply "believing" in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.

This world we find ourselves in is a kind of bootcamp of sorts. A bootcamp that He hopes will produce faithers. And with those faithing ones continually surrendering their lives to Him, He will repopulate heaven.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

fiathers?
Precious friend, Can't find that nomenclature for those who will "live on earth" Nor
for The Body Of Christ who are going to "dwell in the heavens" for ever and ever.

However, With God's Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided, we have found The Following:

In God's prophetic [ earthly ] Covenants/Law program we find, for saints of Israel,
God "Calls" them: twelve tribes, and,

children of Israel, tribes of Jacob, lost sheep of the house of Israel; sheep​

going astray, having no shepherd; sheep who hear His Voice; branches​

[ of Jesus, The Vine ], friends, salt of the earth, light of the world, witnesses,​

handmaidens, servants of God; His servants the prophets, a people prepared​

for The Lord;​

​

newborn babes, little children, children of God, lively stones, a chosen​

generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation; people of God; a peculiar​

people unto God, above all the nations that are upon the earth;​

elect Of God, kings, priests, overcomers. (OT, Mat - John, Heb - Rev)​

​

"Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God​

made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall​

all the kindreds of the earth be blessed." (Acts 3:25 AV) - disciples? *​

+​

[ similar to below ]:​

chosen, babes, dearly beloved, a peculiar people, elect, heirs, servants,​

brethren, children/sons of God.​

​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

In God's Other [ Heavenly ] Mystery program, for saints of the Body Of Christ,
we find a few of the above:

[ similarities ]:​

chosen, babes, dearly beloved, a peculiar people, elect, heirs, servants,​

brethren, children/sons of God.​

​

However, In Romans Through Philemon, as individuals,
we are "Called" By God: One Body, and:

​

babes In Christ, children of Light, dear children, children of the day,​

joint-heirs, [ boot camp? ] soldiers / wrestlers, beloved brethren, dearly beloved,​

brethren beloved, beloved Of God, brethren beloved of The Lord,​

faithful brethren, partakers of [ Paul's God-Given ] Grace,​

the elect Of God:​

​

members Of Christ;​

members of His One Body, of His Flesh, and of His Bones;​

members one of another, members, Who God Has:​

​

"...raised us up together, and made us sit together in​

heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:6 AV),​

​

sons and daughters Of The Lord God Almighty, standers, walkers,​

runners, servants of righteousness, servants to God, servants of​

Jesus Christ, vessels of mercy/honor, workers, co-laborers with God,​

[ future ] judges of angels, temple Of The Living God, and [ Approved ]​

'students' of "The Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided." (Romans - Philemon)​

- disciples? *​

+​

One more for "members of The One Body Of Christ":​

​

"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech​

you by us: we pray you in Christ's Stead, be ye reconciled to God."​

(2 Corinthians 5:20 AV)​

​

Now the Big Question Is: Will the UNfaithful ( Not "surrendered" ) saints In
The Body Of Christ "make it to heaven"? "What Saith The Scripture?":

The Judgment Seat Of Christ:​

"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall​

receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers​

together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.​

According to The Grace Of God Which Is Given Unto me, as a wise masterbuilder,​

I have laid The Foundation, and another buildeth Thereon. But let every man take​

heed how he buildeth Thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that​

is laid, Which Is Jesus Christ.​

​

Now if any man build upon This Foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay,​

stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for The Day Shall Declare it, because​

it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.​

​

If any man's work abide which he hath built Thereupon, he shall receive a reward.​

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself Shall Be Saved;​

yet so as by fire." (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 cp:​

​

"the spirit may be Saved In The Day Of The Lord Jesus!" 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 AV)​

​

Conclusion?: "faithers" is not found in The Word Of God, but "faith" Is Found 373 times, eh?​

​

* Note: disciples is found up until Acts 21, but not Once in
God's "Revelation Of The Mystery" (Romans - Philemon).

​

---------------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[Watchman22]

fiathers?
Precious friend, Can't find that nomenclature for those who will "live on earth" Nor
for The Body Of Christ who are going to "dwell in the heavens" for ever and ever.

However, With God's Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided, we have found The Following:

In God's prophetic [ earthly ] Covenants/Law program we find, for saints of Israel,
God "Calls" them: twelve tribes, and,

children of Israel, tribes of Jacob, lost sheep of the house of Israel; sheep​

going astray, having no shepherd; sheep who hear His Voice; branches​

[ of Jesus, The Vine ], friends, salt of the earth, light of the world, witnesses,​

handmaidens, servants of God; His servants the prophets, a people prepared​

for The Lord;​

​

newborn babes, little children, children of God, lively stones, a chosen​

generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation; people of God; a peculiar​

people unto God, above all the nations that are upon the earth;​

elect Of God, kings, priests, overcomers. (OT, Mat - John, Heb - Rev)​

​

"Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God​

made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall​

all the kindreds of the earth be blessed." (Acts 3:25 AV) - disciples? *​

+​

[ similar to below ]:​

chosen, babes, dearly beloved, a peculiar people, elect, heirs, servants,​

brethren, children/sons of God.​

​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

In God's Other [ Heavenly ] Mystery program, for saints of the Body Of Christ,
we find a few of the above:

[ similarities ]:​

chosen, babes, dearly beloved, a peculiar people, elect, heirs, servants,​

brethren, children/sons of God.​

​

However, In Romans Through Philemon, as individuals,
we are "Called" By God: One Body, and:

​

babes In Christ, children of Light, dear children, children of the day,​

joint-heirs, [ boot camp? ] soldiers / wrestlers, beloved brethren, dearly beloved,​

brethren beloved, beloved Of God, brethren beloved of The Lord,​

faithful brethren, partakers of [ Paul's God-Given ] Grace,​

the elect Of God:​

​

members Of Christ;​

members of His One Body, of His Flesh, and of His Bones;​

members one of another, members, Who God Has:​

​

"...raised us up together, and made us sit together in​

heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:6 AV),​

​

sons and daughters Of The Lord God Almighty, standers, walkers,​

runners, servants of righteousness, servants to God, servants of​

Jesus Christ, vessels of mercy/honor, workers, co-laborers with God,​

[ future ] judges of angels, temple Of The Living God, and [ Approved ]​

'students' of "The Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided." (Romans - Philemon)​

- disciples? *​

+​

One more for "members of The One Body Of Christ":​

​

"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech​

you by us: we pray you in Christ's Stead, be ye reconciled to God."​

(2 Corinthians 5:20 AV)​

​

Now the Big Question Is: Will the UNfaithful ( Not "surrendered" ) saints In
The Body Of Christ "make it to heaven"? "What Saith The Scripture?":

The Judgment Seat Of Christ:​

"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall​

receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers​

together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.​

According to The Grace Of God Which Is Given Unto me, as a wise masterbuilder,​

I have laid The Foundation, and another buildeth Thereon. But let every man take​

heed how he buildeth Thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that​

is laid, Which Is Jesus Christ.​

​

Now if any man build upon This Foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay,​

stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for The Day Shall Declare it, because​

it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.​

​

If any man's work abide which he hath built Thereupon, he shall receive a reward.​

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself Shall Be Saved;​

yet so as by fire." (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 cp:​

​

"the spirit may be Saved In The Day Of The Lord Jesus!" 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 AV)​

​

Conclusion?: "faithers" is not found in The Word Of God, but "faith" Is Found 373 times, eh?​

​

* Note: disciples is found up until Acts 21, but not Once in
God's "Revelation Of The Mystery" (Romans - Philemon).

​

---------------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

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Faithe, faither, and faithing, are the words the English language should have had for the translation of pisteuo, the Greek word for the verb form of faith, aka faithing.

The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does.

So pisteuo was translated into the English language as believe, believer, and believing, all very bad translations.

The correct definition of pisteuo or saving faith is a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. The mistranslated words believe, believer, and believing created a false path of thinking saving faith is just believing what Jesus did and said for salvation.

 

[ResidentAlien]

The word usually translated "believe" is pisteuó; the word translated "faith" is pistis. Which one are you saying is wrongly translated?

 

[Dino246]

What is God doing?

God is trying to repopulate heaven. He is trying to replace the one third of heaven that was cast out.

Please provide relevant Scripture to support your assertions.

 

[GWH]

Faithe, faither, and faithing, are the words the English language should have had for the translation of pisteuo, the Greek word for the verb form of faith, aka faithing.

The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does.

So pisteuo was translated into the English language as believe, believer, and believing, all very bad translations.

The correct definition of pisteuo or saving faith is a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. The mistranslated words believe, believer, and believing created a false path of thinking saving faith is just believing what Jesus did and said for salvation.

While I am not against coining new words, I think it is unwarranted in this case.
Replace "believer" with "faither" and you are still left with defining what is meant.

GW defines true saving faith/belief in terms of cooperating with God's plan of salvation, which includes sanctification.
No one achieves moral perfection in this life (Phil. 3:12), but no one who lacks divine love will reap eternal life with God (Gal. 6:7-8). Thus, a person who claims to be godly (a believer or faither) but who is behaving in an ungodly (unloving, untruthful) manner may be in one of the following categories:

a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (Phil. 3:12-16),

b. an immature Believer/Faither, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1Cor. 3:1-3, Eph. 4:11-15)

c. a truthseeker/believer/faither who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of part of God’s Word (1Cor. 6:9-11, Eph. 5:8-9),

d. a back-slider or prodigal Christian/believer/faither, who has yet to learn by painful experience the value of learning to cooperate with God’s will.

e. a pseudo-Christian/believer/faither (Matt. 7:21, 1John 2:19), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale.

f. an apostate (Heb. 6:4-6, 10:23-39), who once believed/faithed but became blasphemous or foolish and ship-wrecked their faith/belief (1Tim. 1:19-20), becoming completely corrupt and callous (Matt. 13:14-15, Heb. 6:4-6).

 

[Watchman22]

Please provide relevant Scripture to support your assertions.

It's an educated discernment from a gifted bible teacher. I won't mention his name so you don't trample him and me relentlessly again. I had you on ignore after that, but i kept an eye on you for a change of attitude towards me, and you did change how you are talking with me. So here we are, will that continue?

Do you think there is another possibility for the new creation?

 

[Dino246]

It's an educated discernment from a gifted bible teacher. I won't mention his name so you don't trample him and me relentlessly again. I had you on ignore after that, but i kept an eye on you for a change of attitude towards me, and you did change how you are talking with me. So here we are, will that continue?

Do you think there is another possibility for the new creation?

Please provide relevant Scripture to support your assertions.

 

[Watchman22]

The word usually translated "believe" is pisteuó; the word translated "faith" is pistis. Which one are you saying is wrongly translated?

Pistis is the noun in which we get our English word Faith. It's used 245 times in the NT.
Pisteuo is the corresponding verb the the noun Pistis. The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun "Faith" like the Greek does.

So the translators chose the words believe, believer, and believing to translate pisteuo.

The definition of pisteuo as per the Vines Greek dictionary is " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. "

Broken down, a verb has 3 parts. An act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence.

So pisteuo, as it relates to the living God is 1) a personal surrender to Him, 2) based upon the belief that He will accept the surrendered life, 3) sustained by living a life that our decisions reflect the fact our lives are not ours anymore, but His now.

 

[Watchman22]

The word usually translated "believe" is pisteuó; the word translated "faith" is pistis. Which one are you saying is wrongly translated?

Pisteuo is used an additional 258 times in the NT.

And the English words believe, believer, and believing are not in the Greek language. They are only English words. And as your probably noting, the mistranslated words took on an entirely different understanding than the original texts.

 

[tourist]

What is God doing?

God is trying to repopulate heaven. He is trying to replace the one third of heaven that was cast out.

The one third of heaven that was cast out were angels, and not human beings. To the human beings he did instruct them to be fruitful and multiply though.

 

[tablet123]

What is God doing?

God is trying to repopulate heaven. He is trying to replace the one third of heaven that was cast out.

What is God looking for to achieve this goal?

He is looking for those ones who will choose to follow Him. Those ones are called faithers. Faithers are the called out ones who choose to follow Him by personally surrendering their lives over to Him and living a life inspired by such surrender.

This is different than "believers" who understand the response to the call is simply "believing" in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.

This world we find ourselves in is a kind of bootcamp of sorts. A bootcamp that He hopes will produce faithers. And with those faithing ones continually surrendering their lives to Him, He will repopulate heaven.

Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

I do not believe God is giving salvation to people for the purpose of repopulating heaven but to give them salvation so they can have eternal life and share in His love, joy, and peace attributes.

Salvation merely for love not to replace the fallen angels like there has to be a certain amount of beings in heaven for it to function and be satisfactory.

Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

God wants people to share in a glory that the angels will not have.

God is not replacing the angels but producing beings that will be greater than angels.

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.

There is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne which is the throne of God and the Lamb.

God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus being at the right hand of God does not mean He is sitting on a throne next the Father.

But it means that God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power because He is the mediator between God and people.

And when His saints are with Him and His enemies are conquered He shall stop exercising the throne of power that God may be all in all.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus.

Which Jesus told Philip if he has seen Him then he has seen the Father and it is the Father that dwells in Him that does the works.

Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead bodily and we are complete in Him.

The saints will have a glorified body like Jesus which is God's personal body for a visible relationship to the saints.

And rule with Jesus in the millennial reign.

The saints will be greater and above the angels.

God is not replacing the angels but producing beings that will be greater than angels.

But I do believe if Lucifer and his angels did not rebel then God would of not created Adam and Eve.

Which they were created in the image of God which is an innocent nature in flesh.

So they were innocent with no sin.

God said do not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

It would of never entered their mind to eat of that tree unless an outside source tempted them.

God gave them a choice so He allowed Satan to tempt Eve which she said they could not eat of the tree for that is all she could think and know.

So Satan tempted her with an alternate reality and she ate and then she was the outside source that tempted Adam and he ate.

If the angels did not fall then God would of not created Adam and Eve.

 

[Watchman22]

Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

I do not believe God is giving salvation to people for the purpose of repopulating heaven but to give them salvation so they can have eternal life and share in His love, joy, and peace attributes.

Salvation merely for love not to replace the fallen angels like there has to be a certain amount of beings in heaven for it to function and be satisfactory. No by

Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

God wants people to share in a glory that the angels will not have.

God is not replacing the angels but producing beings that will be greater than angels.

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.

There is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne which is the throne of God and the Lamb.

God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus being at the right hand of God does not mean He is sitting on a throne next the Father.

But it means that God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power because He is the mediator between God and people.

And when His saints are with Him and His enemies are conquered He shall stop exercising the throne of power that God may be all in all.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus.

Which Jesus told Philip if he has seen Him then he has seen the Father and it is the Father that dwells in Him that does the works.

Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead bodily and we are complete in Him.

The saints will have a glorified body like Jesus which is God's personal body for a visible relationship to the saints.

And rule with Jesus in the millennial reign.

The saints will be greater and above the angels.

God is not replacing the angels but producing beings that will be greater than angels.

But I do believe if Lucifer and his angels did not rebel then God would of not created Adam and Eve.

Which they were created in the image of God which is an innocent nature in flesh.

So they were innocent with no sin.

God said do not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

It would of never entered their mind to eat of that tree unless an outside source tempted them.

God gave them a choice so He allowed Satan to tempt Eve which she said they could not eat of the tree for that is all she could think and know.

So Satan tempted her with an alternate reality and she ate and then she was the outside source that tempted Adam and he ate.

If the angels did not fall then God would of not created Adam and Eve.

You said,
" I do not believe God is giving salvation to people for the purpose of repopulating heaven but to give them salvation so they can have eternal life and share in His love, joy, and peace attributes."

I see that as the same thing.

You said,
Salvation merely for love not to replace the fallen angels like there has to be a certain amount of beings in heaven for it to function and be satisfactory.

Never insinuated that.

 

[Watchman22]

The one third of heaven that was cast out were angels, and not human beings. To the human beings he did instruct them to be fruitful and multiply though.

Good point.

 

[Watchman22]

While I am not against coining new words, I think it is unwarranted in this case.
Replace "believer" with "faither" and you are still left with defining what is meant.

GW defines true saving faith/belief in terms of cooperating with God's plan of salvation, which includes sanctification.
No one achieves moral perfection in this life (Phil. 3:12), but no one who lacks divine love will reap eternal life with God (Gal. 6:7-8). Thus, a person who claims to be godly (a believer or faither) but who is behaving in an ungodly (unloving, untruthful) manner may be in one of the following categories:

a. a normally loving person observed during a rare moment when he/she acted uncharacteristically (Phil. 3:12-16),

b. an immature Believer/Faither, who is making progress–you should have known him/her a year ago! (1Cor. 3:1-3, Eph. 4:11-15)

c. a truthseeker/believer/faither who has not yet learned the correct interpretation of part of God’s Word (1Cor. 6:9-11, Eph. 5:8-9),

d. a back-slider or prodigal Christian/believer/faither, who has yet to learn by painful experience the value of learning to cooperate with God’s will.

e. a pseudo-Christian/believer/faither (Matt. 7:21, 1John 2:19), who may affirm morality while rejecting its divine rationale.

f. an apostate (Heb. 6:4-6, 10:23-39), who once believed/faithed but became blasphemous or foolish and ship-wrecked their faith/belief (1Tim. 1:19-20), becoming completely corrupt and callous (Matt. 13:14-15, Heb. 6:4-6).

Does a "believer" understand that a daily personal surrender is how NT faith is applied to fulfill the condition for a relationship with God and Christ?

Does a "believer" understand that their life isn't theirs anymore but Gods now, and that their daily decisions prove that to God?

Does a "believer" know that believing in what Jesus said, did, and promises by itself won't receive the spirit of Christ?

Does a "believer" understand that nearly every church on the planet is teaching that believing in God and what the Bible says will result in receiving the Holy Spirit, when it doesn't?

I could keep going.

And the new word was coined when the translators chose the word "believe ". Not me trying to rediscover the correct one.

 

[GWH]

Does a "believer" understand that a daily personal surrender is how NT faith is applied to fulfill the condition for a relationship with God and Christ?

Does a "believer" understand that their life isn't theirs anymore but Gods now, and that their daily decisions prove that to God?

Does a "believer" know that believing in what Jesus said, did, and promises by itself won't receive the spirit of Christ?

Does a "believer" understand that nearly every church on the planet is teaching that believing in God and what the Bible says will result in receiving the Holy Spirit, when it doesn't?

I could keep going.

And the new word was coined when the translators chose the word "believe ". Not me trying to rediscover the correct one.

A believer understands what a faither understands, because they are the same person.
Ditto regarding the other three questions.
But whether what the believer/faither believes/faiths is true is a different issue requiring further discussion of Scripture.

 

[ResidentAlien]

And the English words believe, believer, and believing are not in the Greek language.

Greek does have a word for believe, pisteuó. I do agree though it means more than simple mental acknowledgement.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Greek does have a word for believe, pisteuó. I do agree though it means more than simple mental acknowledgement.

And scripture clearly teaches that it means more than mere mental belief. No need to invent new words like faithe, faithing and faither in order to satisfy someone's inability to see that. It's as unnecessary and disruptive as redefining gender pronouns are.

 

[Watchman22]

Greek does have a word for believe, pisteuó. I do agree though it means more than simple mental acknowledgement.

No it doesn't! Pisteuo was mistranslated into the English language, and then it was mistranslated back out and stamped onto the Greek language.

I'm glad we agree on the mental ascent being wrong.

 

[Watchman22]

And scripture clearly teaches that it means more than mere mental belief. No need to invent new words like faithe, faithing and faither in order to satisfy someone's inability to see that. It's as unnecessary and disruptive as redefining gender pronouns are.

Spoken like a "true believer".