Do you follow what you preach... returning to CC is that obedient?
... and I am not Jeff, so now are you being disrespectful .... how does that jive with your obedience?
Loss of salvation???
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Do you follow what you preach... returning to CC is that obedient?
... and I am not Jeff, so now are you being disrespectful .... how does that jive with your obedience?
Calvinism aside . . . just the same, the passage says what it says. We are to work out what He is working into us.
My desire is to do what pleases Him, but I don't always choose that. The good I would do, I don't do, and the bad I would not do, that I do. My chooser is broken. And sometimes the process of repair is a slow back and forth, but sometimes He just does something, and helps me along my Way.
And maybe God does things with me that He doesn't with others, as I have CPTSD, which has a huge effect in the way my brain functions. God gives healing, sometimes slow, but sometimes fast.
Much love!
Yes to WANT to do the will of God, and to actually DO the will of God. God is not doing it for us, we are to choose to submit ourselves to walk with Him, living in agreement with Him.
OK so if a person's will is NOT repaired... is that God's fault?
If you are claiming man has no part or responsibility to submit himself to the Lord and God does it all, then it would actually be God's fault anytime a person is not saved which is what the calvinists teach
Man must choose to submit to the Lord sowing to the Spirit so he reaps life.
Mark 4:26 (see Genesis 1:11 also)
And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground
WHO is doing the sowing? God or man?
Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
WHO is doing the sowing? God or man?
Exactly.
Those claiming God does everything have a built in excuse for living in sin.
I heard a guy claim that the reason he keeps smoking those nasty cigarettes was because the Lord had not yet taken away the desire to smoke cigarettes. He got that from the false doctrines of calvinism
I'd imagine there's child molesters out there that agree with calvinism claiming the reason they keep molesting children is because the Lord has not taken that desire from them
Ouch....you're quite stern with your belief system....
I don't believe we're to go as far as you do.
I believe that we're to obey God and will always believe this.
Being baptized is one of the commands given by Jesus and we are to do what Jesus commanded.
I have, however, stated that I don't fully comprehend this the way I'd like to.
Scripture states that baptism saves and that it forgives sins.
I know from church history that many in the early church would put off being baptized until they were
close to death so that all their sins could be forgiven....so they absolutely believed in baptism forgiving sins.
BTW,,,this is why confession (the Catholic type) had to eventually come about...so that this practice by some could
come to an end.
As to Cornelius: I believe he was saved because he was a devout man, one who feared God, with all his household - which means he taught his children - gave money to the poor or the Jews, and prayed continually.
Do you think he was NOT saved?
Is only baptism necessary to be saved?
That would make every single Catholic saved because they get baptized as infants...ditto for some other denominations.
And even Catholics do not believe this ! (that all the baptized are saved).
Not everyone saved has HIS BOOK ourch !
You live in the US and have information readily available to you.
Not everyone in the world does.
Here's what is basically needed to be saved IMHO:
1. Believe in God. (which means to have faith in God)
2. Obey God.
The 3 denominations from which I learned all taught that we are to be baptized.
There are odd happenings in Christianity.
Some Christians (so-called) don't even believe Jesus is God.
Some believe we have to follow the Mosaic Law.
Difficult to know where Christianity is headed.
Baptism is necessary.
Mark 16:16
16 The one who has believed and has been baptized will be saved; but the one who has not believed will be condemned.
We msut believe to be saved.
And then be baptized.
This seem clear to me from scripture.
It is not the taught that are in trouble...
but those who do the teaching:
Galatians 1:9
9 As we have said before, even now I say again: if anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be [accursed!
I try to be very careful about what I post on these Forums...
I've taught children out faith and know how important words are.
James 3:1
1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a [a]stricter judgment.
Doctrine does not save us and will not damn us to hell.
Jesus will save us....if we have faith IN HIM.
Sorry Just.
It sounds like FAITH ALONE...which I do not agree with.
I agree with what you've stated.
[/QUOTE]I’m like a child that is helping his daddy work on the truck. Is the child contributing to fixing the truck? No. And many times the child just get in the way. But the daddy and child still enjoy their time together and love is shared between them. The daddy 100% fixes the truck and the child gets to turn some bolts and learn while also spending quality time with his best friend. The success of the repair does not depend on the child.[/QUOTE]
I hate analogies !
Let's see....
IF the child is turning some screws...
and those screws have to be tight for the truck to work properly....
Then, yes, the child IS contributing to the correct functioning of the truck
This is SYNERGISM !
Working together toward a common goal.
2 Timothy 2:15 I believe this applies to all of us.
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.
How many times must this be repeated???
It doesn't matter if the word in John 3:36 is OBEY or NOT BELIEVE.
IN THE ORIG GREEK.....
The language spoken at the time of JESUS....
If one did not believe...
it's equivalent to saying they did NOT OBEY.
If one did NOT OBEY...
it's equivalent to saying they did NOT BELIEVE.
UNBELIEF = DISOBEDIENCE and V V
AND
To choose to obey the Son means you've ALREADY decided to believe in Him.
You should really look this up and stop making this mistake.
I have looked it up. Again, to obey the Son here is to choose to believe in the Son. In the HCSB translation, we read - "refuses to believe in the Son." Not to be confused with multiple acts of obedience/works which "follow" choosing to believe in the Son.
Just like in Romans 10:16, we read - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Again, not to be confused with multiple acts of obedience/works which "follow" choosing to believe the gospel.
Isn't this the repentance that leads to salvation? To stop going our own way, and submit to Jesus to live His Way?
Unless you have completely ceased from sin, are we not all in the same boat, living as best we can, while we wait for Him to do what we cannot seem to manage to do?
The one who began a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ. This good work is, I believe, our sanctification, that is, making us holy, which is to say, single in purpose of serving His intent for us. I see this primarily resting in the renewing of our minds, which speaks to our perceptions and values, and our choices.
Be transformed by the renewing of your mind, this is written with passive voice verb "transformed", this happens to us, we don't do this ourselves.
No, I'm not saying we have no responsibility, only, we cannot do for ourselves all that needs to be done in us. We have our part, and God has His part, and we rely on the Scriptures to inform us, and help us understand what He is doing in us.
Much love!
Yes.
2 Timothy 2:21
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Claiming we are "waiting for Him to do what we cannot seem to manage to do" comes from the false belief that Romans 7 man is a born again Christ. He is not as he says he is sold under sin
We can do all things thru Christ Who strengthens us (Philippians 4:13), so we can actual cease from sin contrary to the doctrines of demons the devil has brought in thru his many false teachers that are among us (tares)
All things are possible thru Christ (Philippians 4:13), so THRU JESUS we actually DO have the ability to stop sinning IF, IF we humble ourselves under His Mighty Hand (that's God's Word at God's Right Hand - Jesus Who is THE Christ)
1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not
1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not
Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh
James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil
John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one
toucheth him not.
in the NAME of Jesus
or
In the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?
Well then, we're all in a lot of trouble since I doubt anyone on this Forum knows everything God would like for us to do for Him.
Also, Jesus and Paul seem to disagree with you:
Luke 12:47-48
47 And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,
48 but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of [x]a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.
Romans 2:14-16
14 For when Gentiles who do not have [m]the Law do [n]instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having [o]the Law, are a law to themselves,
15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
Scripture cannot conflict with itself.
I believe the verses you've quoted are being misunderstood.
We could discuss if you post them on a separate post.
I'd have to refer to Luke 12:47 again.
Cornileius only knew ABOUT God...he did respect Him and he did pray.
You said C heart was right with God.
Isn't that what salvation is?
Being right with God?
What Peter did was to preach the complete gospel to C.
C accepted.
I have a question regarding this:
You say a person must be baptized before he can be saved.
How would you explain the following?:
Acts 10:44-47
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the [ag]message.
45 All the [ah]circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered,
47 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?”
Does verse 47 state that the Holy Spirit had ALREADY been received...
and THEN they were to be baptized?
This seems to be the opposite of what you believe.
Didn't read ahead.
Asked above.
If someone is speaking in tongues....
this means that they were FILLED with the Holy Spirit...
they were ALREADY saved...
The baptizing came AFTER the speaking in tongues.
Baptizing in the NAME of Jesus is NOT the formula given by Jesus to the Apostles.
Jesus said to baptize in the NAME of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Bapistm in Jesus is to distinguish from the baptism of John.
Well Jeff,
Life is full of mysteries, isn't it?
I guess YOU are perfect...
that's nice for you.
Of course this is true. There is no sin that we cannot, as Christians, choose to not commit, and will have the power to do so in the power of the Holy Spirit.
Let me ask you . . .
Have you then fully ceased from sin?
Much love!
So if a person continues in sin then it's God's fault that they did so. Got it.
That's the implication that it's God's fault for not moving in a person's life yet if that person got saved and is still living in sin or backslid and went back to living in sin.
This is a trick of the devil to get people to blame God and some even go further claiming they were born sinners calming when they were conceived in the womb God put sin in to them so they think they were born sinners and then live in sin claiming it's not possible to stop sinning
And of course satan is laughing at how easy it is to use false religious teachings (doctrines of devils) to deceive these people
He's already done His part, now He's waiting on you to submit and purge yourself thru the power of the Holy Spirit based on God's Word.
1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one
toucheth him not.
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
2 Peter 3:14
Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot,
and blameless.
2 John 1
he that abides not in the doctrine of Christ has not God
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus
Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Let me ask you, WHY do you believe it's OK to continue living in sin?
Why don't you abide IN Christ???
1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not
1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one
toucheth him not.
It's no good to inject into my words things I am not saying.So if a person continues in sin then it's God's fault that they did so. Got it.
I'll leave you to answer my latest question.
Much love!
Dodging my question by putting false words into my mouth.
Never mind about my question, I've just received my answer.
Much love!
But that is in fact what you are inferring
I answered your question with God's Word which you obviously have issues with.
Your problem is with what the Lord said, not with me.
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son
cleanses us from all sin.
Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one
toucheth him not.
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the
Spirit.