Apologetics: witnessing to atheists

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Before I invest real time I would like to know if you have ever formally studied statistical analysis and research methodologies?

Most definitely on both. Plus, peer reviewed papers that cite statistics get checked by people with proven statistical analysis.

But do you know how to do research and analyze statistics? Or do you quit when you get an answer you are happy with? I mean citing the "Skeptic Review", that is not peer reviewed, that is only reviewed to see it the article follows the skeptic party line. Do you even know many of the names in the field of Consciousness Studies without checking the internet, either skeptics or supporters?
 
Most definitely on both. Plus, peer reviewed papers that cite statistics get checked by people with proven statistical analysis.

But do you know how to do research and analyze statistics? Or do you quit when you get an answer you are happy with? I mean citing the "Skeptic Review", that is not peer reviewed, that is only reviewed to see it the article follows the skeptic party line. Do you even know many of the names in the field of Consciousness Studies without checking the internet, either skeptics or supporters?

I am not going to invest time unless it seems worth it.

I am quite sure that the Skeptical Enquirer was probably the only journal that would publish the article since reputable journals do not publish research on what PEAR was doing, it gets rejected by the committee as you should know, most likely it would not even be submitted.

Not all Journals are of the same caliber and just because it is peer reviewed means little if the journal itself has low standards or is publishing fringe materials.

For example ... Journal of Scientific Exploration (JSE) is open access and has a very low citation rate, (where PEAR published).

I can plainly see the calibre of the research and the journals it publishes in, because both my sons are published research scientists and I know how it works.
Carry on... fyi .... there are other ways to explore consciousness with having to go into parapsychology, maybe a respected field like neuroscience.
 
I am not going to invest time unless it seems worth it.

I am quite sure that the Skeptical Enquirer was probably the only journal that would publish the article since reputable journals do not publish research on what PEAR was doing, it gets rejected by the committee as you should know, most likely it would not even be submitted.

Not all Journals are of the same caliber and just because it is peer reviewed means little if the journal itself has low standards or is publishing fringe materials.

For example ... Journal of Scientific Exploration (JSE) is open access and has a very low citation rate, (where PEAR published).

I can plainly see the calibre of the research and the journals it publishes in, because both my sons are published research scientists and I know how it works.
Carry on... fyi .... there are other ways to explore consciousness with having to go into parapsychology, maybe a respected field like neuroscience.

JSE is little cited, very true. But the number of Nobel prize winning scientists is impressive and are often involved in the peer review for its articles. But when the articles are almost all on the fringe of science, where getting involved carries great risk to one's reputation doe greatly reduce the willingness to cite articles from it.

But I trust that you are aware that the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the leading scientific society in the USA, recognizes parapsychology, or the study of the paranormal, to be a legitimate field of science. The field is also recognized in many other countries, such as England, France and Germany to name three.

The evidence stands firm the skeptics look to imply otherwise, but with Nobel prize winning physicists, among other fields, standing it, the field has great, if largely silent, support.

And if you know how the publishing field works, you know that those who rock the boat have to find a journal willing to rock the boat. But their more conventional work is often accepted in more mainstream journals, as is true with many who publish in JSE. Open access journals are such to allow access to their work, not a sign of the quality, and going open access is a fairly recent choice.

But then, if you know how to research and have done any real research, you already know these things but just choose to ignore them.
 
JSE is little cited, very true. But the number of Nobel prize winning scientists is impressive and are often involved in the peer review for its articles. But when the articles are almost all on the fringe of science, where getting involved carries great risk to one's reputation doe greatly reduce the willingness to cite articles from it.

But I trust that you are aware that the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the leading scientific society in the USA, recognizes parapsychology, or the study of the paranormal, to be a legitimate field of science. The field is also recognized in many other countries, such as England, France and Germany to name three.

The evidence stands firm the skeptics look to imply otherwise, but with Nobel prize winning physicists, among other fields, standing it, the field has great, if largely silent, support.

And if you know how the publishing field works, you know that those who rock the boat have to find a journal willing to rock the boat. But their more conventional work is often accepted in more mainstream journals, as is true with many who publish in JSE. Open access journals are such to allow access to their work, not a sign of the quality, and going open access is a fairly recent choice.

But then, if you know how to research and have done any real research, you already know these things but just choose to ignore them.

I ignore nothing, there are metrics and one such sign is the number of citations.
Parapsychology is more closely related to demonology than Christianity so there is that.
The End.
 
“These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me." - Matthew 15.08
 
I ignore nothing, there are metrics and one such sign is the number of citations.
Parapsychology is more closely related to demonology than Christianity so there is that.
The End.

Gee, and I thought Jesus was an exorcist, someone who dealt with demons oppressing people, which would make demonology very Christian.

Citations are one metric that can be used. Flat out false statements are another. Most skeptic publications score high on the latter.
 
Gee, and I thought Jesus was an exorcist, someone who dealt with demons oppressing people, which would make demonology very Christian.

Citations are one metric that can be used. Flat out false statements are another. Most skeptic publications score high on the latter.

which would make demonology very Christian.

:rolleyes:

I would not say studying remote viewing (practiced by New Agers and those involved in witchcraft) as a Christian endeavor, nope, nope, nope.
 
which would make demonology very Christian.

:rolleyes:

I would not say studying remote viewing (practiced by New Agers and those involved in witchcraft) as a Christian endeavor, nope, nope, nope.

And you show your ignorance. I would not be surprised if you also believe that demons are fallen angels. The Bible teaches otherwise though, but it is easy to miss. I know many people who miss it, focusing on just one or two comments, and trusting what a non-biblical work (actually referenced as a source of trouble in the Bible) contributes, even when they do not realize it But, one must really study to catch some of these things.

I would also guess that you do not know the differences between communicating with God and with the demonic, but then I even see that in some churches, not individuals.
 
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And you show your ignorance. I would not be surprised if you also believe that demons are fallen angels. The Bible teaches otherwise though, but it is easy to miss. I know many people who miss it, focusing on just one or two comments, and trusting what a non-biblical work (actually referenced as a source of trouble in the Bible) contributes, even when they do not realize it But, one must really study to catch some of these things.

I would also guess that you do not know the differences between communicating with God and with the demonic, but then I even see that in some churches, not individuals.

Oh so please enlightenment us, what are demons?
 
Oh so please enlightenment us, what are demons?

You would not understand, you do not even truly know how to use sarcasm. The Bible does not specifically state what they are, but it does give hints. But you, at least, do not like hints, you want things that fit your preconceptions.

When you have learned enough to argue either side of la given position, the one you like or the one you do not like, with equal ability, then you will be showing some knowledge. As I learned long ago, that level of knowledge shows you understand the topic.
 
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You would not understand, you do not even truly know how to use sarcasm. The Bible does not specifically state what they are, but it does give hints. But you, at least, do not like hints, you want things that fit your preconceptions.

When you have learned enough to argue either side of la given position, the one you like or the one you do not like, with equal ability, then you will be showing some knowledge. As I learned long ago, that level of knowledge shows you understand the topic.

So basically you are backing out .... will not even share the hints, and using ad hominem to cover yourself.
:cautious:
 
So basically you are backing out .... will not even share the hints, and using ad hominem to cover yourself.
:cautious:

Just following your lead, I ask you very direct questions and you refuse to answer or even acknowledge that a question was asked. I guess I should follow a more complete "tit for tat" with you rather than the partial.

By the way, why do you accuse me of "backing out" when you yourself have been practicing that very stance, complete with ad hominem.
 
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Just following your lead, I ask you very direct questions and you refuse to answer or even acknowledge that a question was asked. I guess I should follow a more complete "tit for tat" with you rather than the partial.

By the way, why do you accuse me of "backing out" when you yourself have been practicing that very stance, complete with ad hominem.

What question.
 
Just following your lead, I ask you very direct questions and you refuse to answer or even acknowledge that a question was asked. I guess I should follow a more complete "tit for tat" with you rather than the partial.

By the way, why do you accuse me of "backing out" when you yourself have been practicing that very stance, complete with ad hominem.

Your questions seem rhetorical, more like deflection from going back over the posts.
 
Hmmm. Well, that train got derailed big time!

HeIsHere wants to decide what is said and not actually find out. He brought up Remote Viewing, which is actually biblical under different terms, as are many other things, and declared an entire field of knowledge to be demonic. He likewise objects to PK, which is also biblical if you pay attention, but such fits with the stance of some churches. those that teach that ignorance is bliss and knowledge is dangerous. Such would be laughable if it was not so harmful, just as "Sola Scriptura" can be laughable as it can easily be used to contradict scripture.
 
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HeIsHere wants to decide what is said and not actually find out. He brought up Remote Viewing, which is actually biblical under different terms, as are many other things, and declared an entire field of knowledge to be demonic. He likewise objects to PK, which is also biblical if you pay attention, but such fits with the stance of some churches. those that teach that ignorance is bliss and knowledge is dangerous. Such would be laughable if it was not so harmful, just as "Sola Scriptura" can be laughable as it can easily be used to contradict scripture.

Please tell us what is remote viewing in scripture?

And what are demons exactly according to the hints in scripture?

Then can you show me where we are called to practice "remote viewing" in scripture?
 
Oh I did not know where to put this.. seems it is very fitting to be posted here once again.

Matthew 15:8-9
New American Standard Bible

8 ‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
9 And in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”