The Tribulation: Part I - Refinement, Not Removal

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The Tribulation: Part I: Refinement, Not Removal
Abstract
This study explores the theological purpose of tribulation as presented in the Bible—specifically, the prophetic writings, the teachings of Jesus, the Book of Revelation, and selected passages from Paul. The central argument advanced here is that tribulation serves not as divine abandonment or escape, but as a refining process through which faith, character, and covenant fidelity are purified and revealed. Across Scripture, tribulation emerges as an instrument of transformation rather than removal.

1. Introduction
The concept of the “Great Tribulation” has long been a subject of eschatological debate. Many interpretations emphasize deliverance from suffering, particularly through the notion of a pre-tribulational rapture. Yet, when the Hebrew prophets, the teachings of Jesus, the Revelation of John, and Paul are read together carefully, a consistent pattern emerges.
In these sources, tribulation is consistently depicted as a necessary refinement of the faithful rather than their escape from adversity. The people of God are not portrayed as removed from trial, but as purified through it. This understanding aligns with a broader biblical theology in which suffering functions as a divine crucible for authenticity and faithfulness.

2. Refinement in the Prophetic Tradition
2.1 Zechariah: The Remnant Through Fire

Zechariah 13:9 declares, “I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested.”
Here, tribulation is represented not as punitive destruction but as a process of purification. The “third part,” symbolizing the faithful remnant, endures divine testing that burns away impurity while preserving the essence of covenant loyalty.
In Hebrew prophetic thought, fire is primarily transformative rather than annihilative. It is the means by which God restores holiness among His people.
2.2 Daniel: Purification Before Deliverance
In Daniel 12:1–10, a “time of trouble” precedes final deliverance. The righteous are described as those who are purified, made white, and refined. This imagery depicts tribulation as an eschatological furnace in which moral integrity and faith are distinguished from rebellion and corruption.
The sequence is instructive: refinement precedes deliverance, implying that salvation itself arises from faithfulness under pressure, not immunity from it.

3. Jesus’ Teaching: Endurance as Faithfulness
In the Synoptic Gospels, particularly the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24), Jesus speaks plainly about suffering and persecution that will befall His followers. He does not promise their removal from tribulation but insists upon their endurance within it:
“Then they will hand you over to be persecuted… but the one who endures to the end will be saved” (Matthew 24:9–13).
Endurance signifies steadfast perseverance. Salvation, therefore, is not the avoidance of tribulation but the demonstration of fidelity in its midst.
Similarly, in John 16:33, Jesus assures His disciples, “In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” His victory does not eliminate the experience of suffering but grants meaning and hope within it.
The agricultural metaphor of pruning in John 15:2 reinforces this truth: even fruitful branches are cut back so that they might yield more. Divine pruning parallels the refining fire—both serve to deepen fruitfulness and spiritual maturity.

4. Paul: Tribulation as Producing Endurance
When Paul speaks directly about tribulation, his language aligns with this pattern of refinement rather than removal.
In Romans 5:3–4, he writes:
“And not only so, but we also rejoice in our tribulations: knowing that tribulation worketh stedfastness; and stedfastness, approvedness; and approvedness, hope.”
Here tribulation is not presented as something believers escape, but as something that produces steadfastness and proven character. The movement is from suffering to endurance to tested faith. This is refinement language.
Likewise, in 2 Thessalonians 1:4–5, Paul commends believers:
“So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions which ye endure; which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God; to the end that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer.”
Their endurance under persecution is described as evidence of God’s righteous judgment and as preparation for the kingdom. Suffering is not bypassed; it is endured. Worthiness is demonstrated through faithfulness in affliction.
Thus, in these passages, Paul supports the same theological trajectory seen in the prophets and in Jesus.

5. Revelation: Purity Through Perseverance
The Book of Revelation continues and completes this pattern. Believers are not depicted as absent during the world’s trials but as sealed and sustained through them. The vision of the multitude in Revelation 7:14 identifies them as those who “have come out of the great tribulation,” having “washed their robes… in the blood of the Lamb.”
Their purity is the result of endurance and faith under suffering. The saints are refined by faithfulness amid persecution, not by exemption from it. Likewise, in Revelation 3:18, Christ counsels the church to acquire “gold refined by fire,” emphasizing the necessity of purification before participation in divine glory.
Thus, Revelation’s theology of tribulation mirrors the prophets, Jesus, and Paul: God’s people are preserved through testing and perfected by it.

6. The Biblical Pattern of Refinement
Throughout Scripture, the same pattern appears again and again.
In Noah’s Flood there was global judgment, yet God preserved a remnant and brought renewal through it.
In Israel’s wilderness there was hardship and testing, yet through that suffering God formed their covenant identity.
In the Babylonian exile there was national suffering, yet it led to repentance and restoration.
In the end-time tribulation there is a global crisis, yet its purpose is the revelation and perfection of true faith.
Across these episodes, the faithful are preserved within crisis, not spared from it. God’s justice and mercy operate simultaneously: judgment exposes evil, while suffering refines love and loyalty.

7. Conclusion
In the witness of the prophets, the Gospels, Paul’s teachings on endurance, and Revelation, tribulation is never portrayed as a means of removing God’s people from the world. Instead, it is the means by which they are transformed within it.
The fire of tribulation purifies; it distinguishes the genuine from the false, the steadfast from the superficial. The refining process culminates not in despair but in redemption — the emergence of a people made radiant through endurance.
Hence, the theology of tribulation reveals this central biblical truth:
God’s purpose in tribulation is not escape, but refinement; not destruction, but purification; not abandonment, but preparation for glory.

Blessings.
 
The Tribulation: Part I: Refinement, Not Removal
Abstract
This study explores the theological purpose of tribulation as presented in the Bible—specifically, the prophetic writings, the teachings of Jesus, the Book of Revelation, and selected passages from Paul. The central argument advanced here is that tribulation serves not as divine abandonment or escape, but as a refining process through which faith, character, and covenant fidelity are purified and revealed. Across Scripture, tribulation emerges as an instrument of transformation rather than removal.

1. Introduction
The concept of the “Great Tribulation” has long been a subject of eschatological debate. Many interpretations emphasize deliverance from suffering, particularly through the notion of a pre-tribulational rapture. Yet, when the Hebrew prophets, the teachings of Jesus, the Revelation of John, and Paul are read together carefully, a consistent pattern emerges.
In these sources, tribulation is consistently depicted as a necessary refinement of the faithful rather than their escape from adversity. The people of God are not portrayed as removed from trial, but as purified through it. This understanding aligns with a broader biblical theology in which suffering functions as a divine crucible for authenticity and faithfulness.

2. Refinement in the Prophetic Tradition
2.1 Zechariah: The Remnant Through Fire

Zechariah 13:9 declares, “I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested.”
Here, tribulation is represented not as punitive destruction but as a process of purification. The “third part,” symbolizing the faithful remnant, endures divine testing that burns away impurity while preserving the essence of covenant loyalty.
In Hebrew prophetic thought, fire is primarily transformative rather than annihilative. It is the means by which God restores holiness among His people.
2.2 Daniel: Purification Before Deliverance
In Daniel 12:1–10, a “time of trouble” precedes final deliverance. The righteous are described as those who are purified, made white, and refined. This imagery depicts tribulation as an eschatological furnace in which moral integrity and faith are distinguished from rebellion and corruption.
The sequence is instructive: refinement precedes deliverance, implying that salvation itself arises from faithfulness under pressure, not immunity from it.

3. Jesus’ Teaching: Endurance as Faithfulness
In the Synoptic Gospels, particularly the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24), Jesus speaks plainly about suffering and persecution that will befall His followers. He does not promise their removal from tribulation but insists upon their endurance within it:
“Then they will hand you over to be persecuted… but the one who endures to the end will be saved” (Matthew 24:9–13).
Endurance signifies steadfast perseverance. Salvation, therefore, is not the avoidance of tribulation but the demonstration of fidelity in its midst.
Similarly, in John 16:33, Jesus assures His disciples, “In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” His victory does not eliminate the experience of suffering but grants meaning and hope within it.
The agricultural metaphor of pruning in John 15:2 reinforces this truth: even fruitful branches are cut back so that they might yield more. Divine pruning parallels the refining fire—both serve to deepen fruitfulness and spiritual maturity.

4. Paul: Tribulation as Producing Endurance
When Paul speaks directly about tribulation, his language aligns with this pattern of refinement rather than removal.
In Romans 5:3–4, he writes:
“And not only so, but we also rejoice in our tribulations: knowing that tribulation worketh stedfastness; and stedfastness, approvedness; and approvedness, hope.”
Here tribulation is not presented as something believers escape, but as something that produces steadfastness and proven character. The movement is from suffering to endurance to tested faith. This is refinement language.
Likewise, in 2 Thessalonians 1:4–5, Paul commends believers:
“So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions which ye endure; which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God; to the end that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer.”
Their endurance under persecution is described as evidence of God’s righteous judgment and as preparation for the kingdom. Suffering is not bypassed; it is endured. Worthiness is demonstrated through faithfulness in affliction.
Thus, in these passages, Paul supports the same theological trajectory seen in the prophets and in Jesus.

5. Revelation: Purity Through Perseverance
The Book of Revelation continues and completes this pattern. Believers are not depicted as absent during the world’s trials but as sealed and sustained through them. The vision of the multitude in Revelation 7:14 identifies them as those who “have come out of the great tribulation,” having “washed their robes… in the blood of the Lamb.”
Their purity is the result of endurance and faith under suffering. The saints are refined by faithfulness amid persecution, not by exemption from it. Likewise, in Revelation 3:18, Christ counsels the church to acquire “gold refined by fire,” emphasizing the necessity of purification before participation in divine glory.
Thus, Revelation’s theology of tribulation mirrors the prophets, Jesus, and Paul: God’s people are preserved through testing and perfected by it.

6. The Biblical Pattern of Refinement
Throughout Scripture, the same pattern appears again and again.
In Noah’s Flood there was global judgment, yet God preserved a remnant and brought renewal through it.
In Israel’s wilderness there was hardship and testing, yet through that suffering God formed their covenant identity.
In the Babylonian exile there was national suffering, yet it led to repentance and restoration.
In the end-time tribulation there is a global crisis, yet its purpose is the revelation and perfection of true faith.
Across these episodes, the faithful are preserved within crisis, not spared from it. God’s justice and mercy operate simultaneously: judgment exposes evil, while suffering refines love and loyalty.

7. Conclusion
In the witness of the prophets, the Gospels, Paul’s teachings on endurance, and Revelation, tribulation is never portrayed as a means of removing God’s people from the world. Instead, it is the means by which they are transformed within it.
The fire of tribulation purifies; it distinguishes the genuine from the false, the steadfast from the superficial. The refining process culminates not in despair but in redemption — the emergence of a people made radiant through endurance.
Hence, the theology of tribulation reveals this central biblical truth:
God’s purpose in tribulation is not escape, but refinement; not destruction, but purification; not abandonment, but preparation for glory.

Blessings.


You did such a great job on this! The pre-trib folks keep insisting that Jesus won't beat up on His bride as an excuse for their deluded escape.

They don't understand that Jesus is preparing us to reign with Him in the millenial age and he needs people who are experienced in extreme hardship and trial in order to understand the people they will be helping with the love and care of Jesus.

Also how else can we reign with Jesus if we don't know Him well enough in the trials to come within the great tribulation? He wants us to recognize His voice and hear him calmly in those storms to still be able to carry out his commands and orders. I really think that is important to Lord Jesus!

As I've said before, I'm looking forward to parts 2 and 3. What can we expect in part 2?


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The Tribulation: Part I: Refinement, Not Removal
Abstract
This study explores the theological purpose of tribulation as presented in the Bible—specifically, the prophetic writings, the teachings of Jesus, the Book of Revelation, and selected passages from Paul. The central argument advanced here is that tribulation serves not as divine abandonment or escape, but as a refining process through which faith, character, and covenant fidelity are purified and revealed. Across Scripture, tribulation emerges as an instrument of transformation rather than removal.

1. Introduction
The concept of the “Great Tribulation” has long been a subject of eschatological debate. Many interpretations emphasize deliverance from suffering, particularly through the notion of a pre-tribulational rapture. Yet, when the Hebrew prophets, the teachings of Jesus, the Revelation of John, and Paul are read together carefully, a consistent pattern emerges.
In these sources, tribulation is consistently depicted as a necessary refinement of the faithful rather than their escape from adversity. The people of God are not portrayed as removed from trial, but as purified through it. This understanding aligns with a broader biblical theology in which suffering functions as a divine crucible for authenticity and faithfulness.

2. Refinement in the Prophetic Tradition
2.1 Zechariah: The Remnant Through Fire

Zechariah 13:9 declares, “I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested.”
Here, tribulation is represented not as punitive destruction but as a process of purification. The “third part,” symbolizing the faithful remnant, endures divine testing that burns away impurity while preserving the essence of covenant loyalty.
In Hebrew prophetic thought, fire is primarily transformative rather than annihilative. It is the means by which God restores holiness among His people.
2.2 Daniel: Purification Before Deliverance
In Daniel 12:1–10, a “time of trouble” precedes final deliverance. The righteous are described as those who are purified, made white, and refined. This imagery depicts tribulation as an eschatological furnace in which moral integrity and faith are distinguished from rebellion and corruption.
The sequence is instructive: refinement precedes deliverance, implying that salvation itself arises from faithfulness under pressure, not immunity from it.

3. Jesus’ Teaching: Endurance as Faithfulness
In the Synoptic Gospels, particularly the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24), Jesus speaks plainly about suffering and persecution that will befall His followers. He does not promise their removal from tribulation but insists upon their endurance within it:
“Then they will hand you over to be persecuted… but the one who endures to the end will be saved” (Matthew 24:9–13).
Endurance signifies steadfast perseverance. Salvation, therefore, is not the avoidance of tribulation but the demonstration of fidelity in its midst.
Similarly, in John 16:33, Jesus assures His disciples, “In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” His victory does not eliminate the experience of suffering but grants meaning and hope within it.
The agricultural metaphor of pruning in John 15:2 reinforces this truth: even fruitful branches are cut back so that they might yield more. Divine pruning parallels the refining fire—both serve to deepen fruitfulness and spiritual maturity.

4. Paul: Tribulation as Producing Endurance
When Paul speaks directly about tribulation, his language aligns with this pattern of refinement rather than removal.
In Romans 5:3–4, he writes:
“And not only so, but we also rejoice in our tribulations: knowing that tribulation worketh stedfastness; and stedfastness, approvedness; and approvedness, hope.”
Here tribulation is not presented as something believers escape, but as something that produces steadfastness and proven character. The movement is from suffering to endurance to tested faith. This is refinement language.
Likewise, in 2 Thessalonians 1:4–5, Paul commends believers:
“So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and in the afflictions which ye endure; which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God; to the end that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer.”
Their endurance under persecution is described as evidence of God’s righteous judgment and as preparation for the kingdom. Suffering is not bypassed; it is endured. Worthiness is demonstrated through faithfulness in affliction.
Thus, in these passages, Paul supports the same theological trajectory seen in the prophets and in Jesus.

5. Revelation: Purity Through Perseverance
The Book of Revelation continues and completes this pattern. Believers are not depicted as absent during the world’s trials but as sealed and sustained through them. The vision of the multitude in Revelation 7:14 identifies them as those who “have come out of the great tribulation,” having “washed their robes… in the blood of the Lamb.”
Their purity is the result of endurance and faith under suffering. The saints are refined by faithfulness amid persecution, not by exemption from it. Likewise, in Revelation 3:18, Christ counsels the church to acquire “gold refined by fire,” emphasizing the necessity of purification before participation in divine glory.
Thus, Revelation’s theology of tribulation mirrors the prophets, Jesus, and Paul: God’s people are preserved through testing and perfected by it.

6. The Biblical Pattern of Refinement
Throughout Scripture, the same pattern appears again and again.
In Noah’s Flood there was global judgment, yet God preserved a remnant and brought renewal through it.
In Israel’s wilderness there was hardship and testing, yet through that suffering God formed their covenant identity.
In the Babylonian exile there was national suffering, yet it led to repentance and restoration.
In the end-time tribulation there is a global crisis, yet its purpose is the revelation and perfection of true faith.
Across these episodes, the faithful are preserved within crisis, not spared from it. God’s justice and mercy operate simultaneously: judgment exposes evil, while suffering refines love and loyalty.

7. Conclusion
In the witness of the prophets, the Gospels, Paul’s teachings on endurance, and Revelation, tribulation is never portrayed as a means of removing God’s people from the world. Instead, it is the means by which they are transformed within it.
The fire of tribulation purifies; it distinguishes the genuine from the false, the steadfast from the superficial. The refining process culminates not in despair but in redemption — the emergence of a people made radiant through endurance.
Hence, the theology of tribulation reveals this central biblical truth:
God’s purpose in tribulation is not escape, but refinement; not destruction, but purification; not abandonment, but preparation for glory.
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Could you explain when these days of Noah and Lot take place

26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. Luke 17
 
NOW! the days of Noah have started things will get much worse from now on : Epstein island: the perversions there are as worse or more so than sodom, this is only 1 place this is prevalent now, in many other places, the church of satan is growing fast, the human genome is being modified by gene therapy ( covid vaccine) the Chinese have already created Human hybrids modifying the genetic code....human traffic for human organs in Europe from Ukraine, body parts are sold....God will not let his creation being corrupted or destroyed, time is short/
 
NOW! the days of Noah have started things will get much worse from now on : Epstein island: the perversions there are as worse or more so than sodom, this is only 1 place this is prevalent now, in many other places, the church of satan is growing fast, the human genome is being modified by gene therapy ( covid vaccine) the Chinese have already created Human hybrids modifying the genetic code....human traffic for human organs in Europe from Ukraine, body parts are sold....God will not let his creation being corrupted or destroyed, time is short/
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Does it happen before or after the tribulation???????????
 
You did such a great job on this! The pre-trib folks keep insisting that Jesus won't beat up on His bride as an excuse for their deluded escape.

They don't understand that Jesus is preparing us to reign with Him in the millenial age and he needs people who are experienced in extreme hardship and trial in order to understand the people they will be helping with the love and care of Jesus.

Also how else can we reign with Jesus if we don't know Him well enough in the trials to come within the great tribulation? He wants us to recognize His voice and hear him calmly in those storms to still be able to carry out his commands and orders. I really think that is important to Lord Jesus!

As I've said before, I'm looking forward to parts 2 and 3. What can we expect in part 2?


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Thank you sister for your kind comments, and thank you for your precious contribution to the finalized version of the O.P., part 2 is under revision , this week certainly.

Blessings.
 
They don't understand that Jesus is preparing us to reign with Him in the millenial age and he needs people who are experienced in extreme hardship and trial in order to understand the people they will be helping with the love and care of Jesus.
I'm curious, how is the last generation of Christians different from all previous generations?

Much love!
 
tribulation is never portrayed as a means of removing God’s people from the world. Instead, it is the means by which they are transformed within it.
This is self evident, that tribulation and departure are two different things. Isn't the issue that the great tribulation will be upon all who live on the earth, and those who have left the earth for whatever reason, they will not experience it?

7. Conclusion
In the witness of the prophets, the Gospels, Paul’s teachings on endurance, and Revelation, tribulation is never portrayed as a means of removing God’s people from the world. Instead, it is the means by which they are transformed within it.
The fire of tribulation purifies; it distinguishes the genuine from the false, the steadfast from the superficial. The refining process culminates not in despair but in redemption — the emergence of a people made radiant through endurance.
Hence, the theology of tribulation reveals this central biblical truth:
God’s purpose in tribulation is not escape, but refinement; not destruction, but purification; not abandonment, but preparation for glory.
As I read the Bible it seems to tell me that all Christians endure tribulation, of every generation. Isn't that so?

Is there something about what Jesus called 'great tribulation' just before it comes that is somehow required for Christians, aside from the tribulations that all believers through the age have endured?

If there is something that we are required to receive in the Great Tribulation, then what about those who have gone before? My mother believed, and she passed from the world a number of year ago. Is she to be left out?

Much love!
 
This is self evident, that tribulation and departure are two different things. Isn't the issue that the great tribulation will be upon all who live on the earth, and those who have left the earth for whatever reason, they will not experience it?


As I read the Bible it seems to tell me that all Christians endure tribulation, of every generation. Isn't that so?

Is there something about what Jesus called 'great tribulation' just before it comes that is somehow required for Christians, aside from the tribulations that all believers through the age have endured?

If there is something that we are required to receive in the Great Tribulation, then what about those who have gone before? My mother believed, and she passed from the world a number of year ago. Is she to be left out?

Much love!


The Christians who are persecuted and remain faithful to Jesus through the GT will reign with Jesus during the millennial age. Maybe the GT is Jesus' training ground for them so that they'll be good leaders who are loyal to Him? Just a guess.


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The Christians who are persecuted and remain faithful to Jesus through the GT will reign with Jesus during the millennial age. Maybe the GT is Jesus' training ground for them so that they'll be good leaders who are loyal to Him? Just a guess.


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Only the last generation of Christians will rule with Christ? Is this what you are saying?

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Only the last generation of Christians will rule with Christ? Is this what you are saying?

Much love!


Not sure yet.

I'm still studying why God is letting us go through the GT.

So far, God believes we can make it through in Him showing His full power through us in persecution....

That will actually draw more people to Him....

More to come....


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Not sure yet.

I'm still studying why God is letting us go through the GT.

So far, God believes we can make it through in Him showing His full power through us in persecution....

That will actually draw more people to Him....

More to come....


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OK, cool!

Personally, I've come to conclude the removal of the church is in fact pre-trib.

Much love!
 
Not sure yet.

I'm still studying why God is letting us go through the GT.

So far, God believes we can make it through in Him showing His full power through us in persecution....

That will actually draw more people to Him....

More to come....


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Okay. We're not especially equipped than any other generation, but that God Himself can fully empower us as much as needed to withstand the worst persecution of all time. But we MUST stick close to God to endure. No one else is, or is more powerful.


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Okay. We're not especially equipped than any other generation, but that God Himself can fully empower us as much as needed to withstand the worst persecution of all time. But we MUST stick close to God to endure. No one else is, or is more powerful.


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I'm asking, why the last generation of Christians, but not the previous generations? If we say this is what is required to rule with Christ (ala @Vassel), we're saying that only this generation will rule with Christ. Not Paul. Not Stephen. Not Polycarp. And so on. That doesn't sound right to me.

Much love!