Works of the Law

[memberofthebride]

You use the Roman Catholic interpretation of the scripture.

Yet you deny the mother church?

You reject the apostle Paul and have rejected 30% of the N.T for starters.

I do not use or believe any thing catholic, none of their doctrines, zero
I deny the catholic church is the church the Father began on 31AD
I will never follow any 'pope' Peter was not the first pope!
no Mary is not in heaven., she is not queen, she is not equal with Christ -- she is dead waiting for the First resurrection. and she had 6 other children-- not a virgin forever!
No! I do not reject Paul, I understand what Paul teaches can be and has been twisted into a trap for those that refuse to obey.

Paul does not teach the Torah has been abolished, he teaches the Torah is HOLY Just and Good!

and no, I also do not any affiliation with the 40,000 flavors, nor accept the vast majority of their beliefs.

 

[Inquisitor]

That said, NO man goes to Heaven by his/her obedience to the laws of God......NOT ONE!

You talk of earthly law but we speak of heavenly law.

That is the difference between the ten commandments (copies) and the law of Christ.

The ten commandments plus the two greatest commandments (copies) were fulfilled by Jesus.

God is love and without the fulfillment of the two greatest commandments by Jesus.

1 John 3:23
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us.

Then the earthly commandments (copies) would still apply to Israel.

 

[Inquisitor]

Completely incorrect. Let me guess some protestant told you that. Hint: it's not a guess

That's the recorded history.

So what is your source of Christian history?

 

[Inquisitor]

I do not use or believe any thing catholic, none of their doctrines, zero
I deny the catholic church is the church the Father began on 31AD
I will never follow any 'pope' Peter was not the first pope!
no Mary is not in heaven., she is not queen, she is not equal with Christ -- she is dead waiting for the First resurrection. and she had 6 other children-- not a virgin forever!
No! I do not reject Paul, I understand what Paul teaches can be and has been twisted into a trap for those that refuse to obey.

Paul does not teach the Torah has been abolished, he teaches the Torah is HOLY Just and Good!

and no, I also do not any affiliation with the 40,000 flavors, nor accept the vast majority of their beliefs.

But you do and I will tell you why you do.

Ellen White grew up in a Methodist church.

The Methodist church was the daughter of a Reformed church.

Ellen White interpretated the scripture exactly the same way the Reformers read the scripture.

The Reformers followed the Catholic Church interpretation of the scripture.

That is why the three church organizations above stated exactly the same doctrine.

The ten commandments are binding and binding on Gentiles.

All three churches state the same error.

The law is not binding on Gentiles and those three churches are in serious trouble.

 

[Inquisitor]

Completely incorrect. Let me guess some protestant told you that. Hint: it's not a guess

The Protestants are ignorant of the Orthodox church and the Great Schism.

So my source of Christian history is not Protestant.

 

[memberofthebride]

But you do and I will tell you why you do.

Ellen White grew up in a Methodist church.

The Methodist church was the daughter of a Reformed church.

Ellen White interpretated the scripture exactly the same way the Reformers read the scripture.

The Reformers followed the Catholic Church interpretation of the scripture.

That is why the three church organizations above stated exactly the same doctrine.

The ten commandments are binding and binding on Gentiles.

All three churches state the same error.

The law is not binding on Gentiles and those three churches are in serious trouble.

I follow none of the above, have nothing to do with any of that, never have never will, not a SDA, never been a member of one of the 40,000 which SDA is part of
but I do believe the 10 commandments including the 4th must be observed

 

[vassal]

Everything that Israel ever built were copies of the heavenly reality.

Your aware of this fact?

The Ark of the Covenant was an earthly copy of the heavenly Ark of the Covenant.

Revelation 11:19
And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

Your going to tell me that the Lord's temple in heaven is the earthly temple transferred to heaven?

Your also going to tell me that the stone tablets is the law in Ark and that is in heaven?

you know this yet you refuse to see;

Your going to tell me that the Lord's temple in heaven is the earthly temple transferred to heaven? the contrary, what we had here is a mere simple incomplete representation of what is in Heaven, the mercy seat is an example.
Your also going to tell me that the stone tablets is the law in Ark and that is in heaven? Yes it is the same intemporal laws that are eternal; Scripture itself answers this clearly, without guessing or opinion.

Book of Revelation 11:19 (ASV)
“And there was opened the temple of God that is in heaven; and there was seen in his temple the ark of his covenant.”
This verse says plainly that the Ark of the Covenant is in heaven.

Now Scripture also tells us what was inside the Ark.

Book of Exodus 25:16 (ASV)
“And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee.”
The “testimony” is what God wrote with His own finger ,the ten commandments.

Exodus 31:18 (ASV)
“He gave unto Moses… the two tables of the testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.”

Book of Deuteronomy 10:2, 5 (ASV)
“I will write on the tables the words that were on the first tables… And I turned and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as Jehovah commanded me.”

Scripture is very direct:

The Ark of the Covenant is seen in heaven
The stone tablets are inside the Ark
The tablets are the covenant, written by God Himself

So yes, according to Scripture, the stone tablets of the law are in the Ark, and the Ark is in heaven. This is not tradition. It is written plainly in the Word of God.

 

[Inquisitor]

The Ten Commandments are eternal. The proof is shown in heaven itself, as described in the Book of Revelation, where in a future time the Ark of the Covenant is seen in Heaven.
“And the temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in his temple the Ark of his testament.” (Revelation 11:19 KJV)

Do you refute this truth?

Why did Jesus spend a great part of His ministry teaching these Ten Commandments, all ten of them? He said clearly that He did not come to remove them.

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:19 KJV)

Jesus also sent His twelve disciples to teach everything He taught and said, and that includes these commandments.
“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.” (Matthew 28:20 KJV)

You fight against God, Inquisitor. Repent. The doors are about to be shut.
“And they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.” (Matthew 25:10 KJV)

The tribulation is approaching and is very near.
“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Matthew 24:21 KJV)

There is still time for you to side with Christ and listen to what He said.

Inquisitor, you know that sin is lawlessness, and those who live and promote lawlessness will not enter heaven.
“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” (1 John 3:4 KJV)

Your quotations are based on an earthly Ark that sat in the inner part of the earthly temple.

Both were copies of the heavenly reality.

Hebrews 8:5
Who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was warned by God when he was about
to erect the tabernacle; for, See, He says, “that you make all things according to the pattern which was shown
you on the mountain.

Hebrews 9:24
For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now
to appear in the presence of God for us.

See vassal, the temple itself and everything else was a mere copy of the heavenly reality.

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself

Who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things

That's what your doing vassal.

Your serving a mere copy of the heavenly law of Christ.

The Ark was a copy and so was everything in the Ark and the Temple was a copy also.

You are stuck in the O.T trying to obey a legal system that was upgraded.

 

[Inquisitor]

I follow none of the above, have nothing to do with any of that, never have never will, not a SDA, never been a member of one of the 40,000 which SDA is part of
but I do believe the 10 commandments including the 4th must be observed

The Catholics, Reformed, and Methodists, chant the same line; the law is binding.

Why do you hold to the same critical doctrine as the Pope?

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

You talk of earthly law but we speak of heavenly law.

That is the difference between the ten commandments (copies) and the law of Christ.

The ten commandments plus the two greatest commandments (copies) were fulfilled by Jesus.

God is love and without the fulfillment of the two greatest commandments by Jesus.

1 John 3:23
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another,
just as He commanded us.

Then the earthly commandments (copies) would still apply to Israel.

That's certainly His desire for us.
I think we all failed on both counts a time or two. That's why it's by His grace that we are saved through faith.
Those who are saved by the grace of God should grow in love towards God and others.

James 2:10 KJV

 

[memberofthebride]

The Catholics, Reformed, and Methodists, chant the same line; the law is binding.

Why do you hold to the same critical doctrine as the Pope?

Sorry, I did not know the pope keeps Passover on the night of the 14th day of God's First month, the 7th day Sabbath and all 7 of God's Holy Feasts, and eats no pork?

Sorry I was not aware of this.

I will be observing Pentecost soon, will the pope and the 40,000 be joining me? this year it is on May 24th

 

[memberofthebride]

You made a claim. I challenged you to support your claim with evidence. That is perfectly logical and very specific.

dino I will run this passed you.

1 John 2, the disciple Jesus loved.
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate ( lawyer) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Why would John ask the disciples not to sin if the Torah had been abolished?
Understanding that converted humans can still sin, John gives the assurance Christ will ask the Father to cover their sins by Christ sacrifice.
2 And he (Christ) is the propitiation (payment) for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
Sin did not end at the death of Christ, all born since His death – have sinned! – requiring Christ’s payment with His blood to pay for their sins
3 And hereby we do know that we know him , if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
How can anyone keep the Commandments if they were abolished, and where is it stated all but the 4th? John knew and taught – Christians must still live by the commandments.
If you claim you know Christ and believe Christ took the Torah to His grave, then – YOU do not know Christ! So states John.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
How did Christ live, walk?
Did Christ observe His birthday?
Did He attend an easter egg hunt on a Sunday after church?
Did He rest on Sunday or teach His disciples to keep Sunday?
Did He eat unclean meat?
Did He transgress a single of the 615 Torah laws?
Did He transgress even one of the 10 Commandments
Did He state, even once, He came to abolish the Torah?
So, are the 40,000 actually walking the same walk as Jesus Christ?

 

[Dino246]

dino I will run this passed you.

Support your accusations with evidence… and the word is “past”.

 

[memberofthebride]

Support your accusations with evidence… and the word is “past”.

It is now quite evident, the TRUTH comes only to those The Father calls and opens their minds.

 

[James456]

It is now quite evident, the TRUTH comes only to those The Father calls and opens their minds.

Hence the Jerusalem council only asked gentiles to follow four mosaic laws

 

[Dino246]

It is now quite evident, the TRUTH comes only to those The Father calls and opens their minds.

And there it is.

You don’t have the integrity to support your accusations with evidence, don’t like being called out on it, and now you throw oblique insults in a desperate attempt to shift attention.

Your behaviour is deplorable.

 

[memberofthebride]

And there it is.

You don’t have the integrity to support your accusations with evidence, don’t like being called out on it, and now you throw oblique insults in a desperate attempt to shift attention.

Your behaviour is deplorable.

I used the words of the Apostle John, you did not like those words, what else is left??

I have presented the Words of Jesus Christ, even HIS words are not sufficient for you.

what evidence is left ???

The fact -- nothing I can say or do can or will changes minds when even words from the Word are rejected.
at this point in time I have no clue what you believe, and your opinion is worth the price it cost me

 

[Dino246]

I used the words of the Apostle John, you did not like those words, what else is left??

I have presented the Words of Jesus Christ, even HIS words are not sufficient for you.

what evidence is left ???

The fact -- nothing I can say or do can or will changes minds when even words from the Word are rejected.

YOU made accusations about what others have said.

YOU have not supported your accusations with quoted evidence from those others. Instead, YOU have dodged accountability for your accusations. There is nothing in Scripture that will support you on this.

You are a slanderer.

 

[memberofthebride]

YOU made accusations about what others have said.

YOU have not supported your accusations with quoted evidence from those others. Instead, YOU have dodged accountability for your accusations. There is nothing in Scripture that will support you on this.

You are a slanderer.

You are never specific -- I have no idea what you are talking about or referring to

and I have no idea who I have slandered, and to attempt to find any thing on this blog from the past ???

lets just agree no more contact.

 

[Dino246]

You are never specific -- I have no idea what you are talking about or referring to

and I have no idea who I have slandered, and to attempt to find any thing on this blog from the past ???

That is because you dodged accountability for several posts instead of responding with the required evidence. You lost track. That’s your problem.

lets just agree no more contact.

No. I will continue to refute your errors as I see fit. You don’t get to slander others, dodge accountability, and then dictate “agreement”about anything.