The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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BillyBob said:
A few questions for everyone. . .

When you read through the Ten Commandments, do you tend to prioritize them? In other words, would you consider that [You shall not covet] is less offensive than [You shall not murder]?

And, if so, do you think that God does the same, or are they equal in His sight?
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I chatted to a woman on another site who insisted all of Torah must be obeyed. She then told me thoughts were trivial and not covered by Torah. So she must have delegated not coveting to a trivial role in her beliefs.
 
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James456 said:
I chatted to a woman on another site who insisted all of Torah must be obeyed. She then told me thoughts were trivial and not covered by Torah. So she must have delegated not coveting to a trivial role in her beliefs.
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Good point!
I see what you are saying, covet is a thought while committing murder is an action. But doesn't scripture suggest that we can commit murder in our hearts as well?
 
BillyBob said:
Good point!
I see what you are saying, covet is a thought while committing murder is an action. But doesn't scripture suggest that we can commit murder in our hearts as well?
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Are you thinking of Matt5:21&22?
I was relating it to what is actually written in the law, the wording of it. And it is the tenth commandment that covers thoughts/desires
 
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BillyBob said:
A few questions for everyone. . .

When you read through the Ten Commandments, do you tend to prioritize them? In other words, would you consider that [You shall not covet] is less offensive than [You shall not murder]?

And, if so, do you think that God does the same, or are they equal in His sight?
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If you subnit to the Holy Spirit, He takes care of all that as He leads you and causes you to obey Him and resist sin. Walking in the Spirit makes all that incredibly easy. I was really pleasantly surprised at how quietly powerful the Holy Spirit is!


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BillyBob said:
A few questions for everyone. . .

When you read through the Ten Commandments, do you tend to prioritize them? In other words, would you consider that [You shall not covet] is less offensive than [You shall not murder]?

And, if so, do you think that God does the same, or are they equal in His sight?
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According to Scripture God shows no partiality with His laws.


Mal 2:9 “Therefore I also have made you contemptible and base Before all the people, Because you have not kept My ways But have shown partiality in the law.”

James 2:9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law

Why breaking one of the commandments, we break them all. They are all interconnected. For example if we are breaking one of the 9 commandments, the first one Exo20:3 is automatically broken. The bible references how the commandments are connected in a few places.

For example. ..

Breaking the Sabbath is also considered idol worship

Eze 20:16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

Covetousness, with idolatry

Col 3:5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
You know its One of the same right? Jesus is the one speaking at Mt Sinai and the Ten Commandments are under His mercy seat Exo25:21 Exo31:18 Rev15:5 Rev11:19- the God we are to only worship started in the very first comamndment Exo20:3 Rev14:7 and 4th commandment tells us which God that is Exo20:11 Rev14:7
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I know that Jesus, who is called the Word, carried out the work of creation according to the will of the Father. As a human He was also sent to bring about the Father's will. It is also true that if we keep the Son's commandments we will be in agreement with the Father's will and with the commands Moses' gave .

However, it does not always work the other way. Attempting to conform ourselves to the letter of Moses' Law does not always bring us into fruitful harmony the Spirit of the Law. When I lived in Israel I discovered that many who zealously pursued the teachings of the Rabbis denied JESUS commands, insisting that what goes on in our minds and imaginations DOES NOT MATTER. The ONLY thing that is important is our BEHAVIOR not our thoughts and motivations. Not having the Holy Spirit, these people could not be radically transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit which is what the Father wanted to accomplish when He gave us the Holy Spirit.
 
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The primary sin per the NT is ignoring/disbelieving God's Gospel and requirement for salvation (John 3:16, Acts 16:31, Gal. 3:1-14, 1:6-9). Secondary sins are transgression of Christ’s moral law of love (John 13:34), which summarizes the OT moral laws (Matt. 22:37-40) that are affirmed by the NT (Matt. 5:17-48) and called the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23).

These do NOT include all 613 laws of Moses, such as those pertaining to mildew and infectious disease in Leviticus 14 or to the Sabbath day law (per Col. 2:16-17). Again, the only damning sin is rejection of God’s Messiah/Gospel (Gal. 1:6-9). Not working on the Sabbath and being baptized in water to portray faith in Christ are nice but not necessary for salvation. They are optional traditions.
 
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GWH said:
The primary sin per the NT is ignoring/disbelieving God's Gospel and requirement for salvation (John 3:16, Acts 16:31, Gal. 3:1-14, 1:6-9). Secondary sins are transgression of Christ’s moral law of love (John 13:34), which summarizes the OT moral laws (Matt. 22:37-40) that are affirmed by the NT (Matt. 5:17-48) and called the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23).

These do NOT include all 613 laws of Moses, such as those pertaining to mildew and infectious disease in Leviticus 14 or to the Sabbath day law (per Col. 2:16-17). Again, the only damning sin is rejection of God’s Messiah/Gospel (Gal. 1:6-9). Not working on the Sabbath and being baptized in water to portray faith in Christ are nice but not necessary for salvation. They are optional traditions.
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Even if there were anyone who could keep every commandment except fail in one or two 'insignificant ones' now and then, he'd be counted as holding to a weak faith if he doesn't believe the Gospel.
 
Mem said:
Even if there were anyone who could keep every commandment except fail in one or two 'insignificant ones' now and then, he'd be counted as holding to a weak faith if he doesn't believe the Gospel.
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Yes, even to a false faith and gospel if he does not depend on the work of Christ for salvation.
 
vassal said:
If you love God, you will honor His commandments. If you love your neighbor, you will not covet what belongs to him. Do not use one sin to excuse another. Cleanse the heart, and keep the commandments of God.
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You know what I'm seeing? God drawing a line in the sand.


Revelation 18:4

Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“‘Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;..."


A clear distinction is emerging. If they don't want to love God and obey Him, they will become part of fallen Babylon. Read the rest of it which describes what happens. It's too terrible for me to post - Revelation 18:5-8


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
You know what I'm seeing? God drawing a line in the sand.


Revelation 18:4

Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“‘Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;..."


A clear distinction is emerging. If they don't want to love God and obey Him, they will become part of fallen Babylon. Read the rest of it which describes what happens. It's too terrible for me to post - Revelation 18:5-8


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Yes we must come out of her, I know the verses well. when I retired I moved from the big city to a small village. I was warned the end is coming, "Jacobs trouble" I saw these words flash in front of my eyes for many days in a row....the clock is ticking, it is why I post on this site, to get people to follow Christ and do as he asked of us to do before it is too late,

Blessings.
 
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vassal said:
Yes we must come out of her, I know the verses well. when I retired I moved from the big city to a small village. I was warned the end is coming, "Jacobs trouble" I saw these words flash in front of my eyes for many days in a row....the clock is ticking, it is why I post on this site, to get people to follow Christ and do as he asked of us to do before it is too late,

Blessings.
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You're post-trib aren't you? I believe God was warning you. Because to be warned about Jacob's trouble as a post-trib believer means Gentile Christians will be targeted too.

When do you think this will happen? Has God said anything to you? I'm guestimating in the 2030s. What things are you looking out for?


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During many seasons of my life, I kept Shabbat - when I lived in Israel and when I attended Messianic congregations. However, after studying the matter I no longer believe Sabbath-keeping is a requirement for those who, through Christ's blood, been made partakers of the New Covenant.

Here is what the author of Hebrews said on the matter:
6But now He [Christ] has obtained a more excellent ministry, as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has better promises.
Believers have been brought into a NEW COVENANT with God, one that is vastly superior to the original one. The author of Hebrews says this: In speaking of a NEW covenant, he makes the FIRST ONE obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away (Hebrews 8:13)
So God intended to replace the first covenant by rendering it obsolete.
 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
You know what I'm seeing? God drawing a line in the sand.


Revelation 18:4

Then I heard another voice from heaven say:

“‘Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;..."


A clear distinction is emerging. If they don't want to love God and obey Him, they will become part of fallen Babylon. Read the rest of it which describes what happens. It's too terrible for me to post - Revelation 18:5-8


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Are you saying God is "drawing a line" between believers who practice Shabbat and believers who do not? Also what are people to come out of - Churches who do not keep Shabbat?
 
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