Please help me to understand

[GWH]

It happens on the feast of Trumpets, first day of Tishri. No one knows the day or the hour because this day is determined on the first sighting of new moon in the Holy Land, it's the only holyday that falls on the first day of the month, there's no way to mark it on a calendar.

On the feast of trumpets would certainly be appropriate per Matt. 24:31, 1 Cor. 15:52, 1Thes. 4:16 & Rev. 8:2&7.

 

[GWH]

It seems that the physical resurrection body does not need blood to keep it alive, as is characteristic of our present bodies. It is animated by spirit. Flesh and BLOOD cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

But flesh and BONES obviously can.

Luk 24:39
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and BONES, as ye see ME have.

Not sure Luke 24:39 is applicable, because Jesus had not yet been translated into the heavenly realm/dimension,
so it seems more likely that our heavenly bodies, meaning every physical cell, will have supernatural powers,
like not needing to tinkle three times per night.

 

[Lovette]

I thought you might say that so I underlined the response of each person who encountered, this so called
vision.

I fell into a deep sleep on my face, with my face to the ground.

A strange response to an image on a screen don't you think?

It appears to be an encounter rather than a simple image.

Ezekiel, Daniel, and John, all collapse and then the image speaks to them.

A personal talking image?

Also note. that Daniel struggles with what he has seen and the image has to strengthen him.

The image even touched Daniel to strengthen him.

As you say just a simple image on a monitor.

Can I ask if you are Jewish?

When John "encountered" Jesus, he was IN SPIRIT, however he responded, he responded in a dreamy, entranced state. In Rev. 4:1 he came up to heaven, tell me, did he really ascend to heaven? Or was he still on the island of Patmos? The other prophets were in a similar spiritual state. Yeah, it is strange, because this is biblical event, nothing like it is supposed to be mundane.

 

[Lovette]

Here is where the so called image is a real man with Daniel.

Daniel 10:10-17
Then behold, a hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees. He said to me, “O Daniel, man of high esteem, understand the words that I am about to tell you and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” And when he had spoken this word to me, I stood up trembling. Then he said to me, “Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to your words.
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. Now I have come to give you an understanding of what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision pertains to the days yet future.”

When he had spoken to me according to these words, I turned my face toward the ground and became speechless. And behold, one who resembled a human being was touching my lips; then I opened my mouth and spoke and said to him who was standing before me, “O my lord, as a result of the vision anguish has come upon me, and I have retained no strength. For how can such a servant of my lord talk with such as my lord? As for me, there remains just now no strength in me, nor has any breath been left in me.

I reject your idea of an image and accept that the man in the image was standing in front of Daniel.

Definitely a Christophany.

All these interactions take place in a spiritual state, like dreaming or hypnotized. John was IN THE SPIRIT, so was Daniel, Ezekiel and other prophets. In all these instances, Christ was a divine revelation, none of the OT prophets encountered a materialized, incarnated Christ.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day ... (Rev. 1:10)

 

[Lovette]

On the feast of trumpets would certainly be appropriate per Matt. 24:31, 1 Cor. 15:52, 1Thes. 4:16 & Rev. 8:2&7.

There're seven feasts (Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruit, Pentecost, Trumpets, Astonement and Tabernacle). In Christ's first coming, his crucifixion, burial and resurrection fulfilled the first three, then the gift of the Holy Spirit fulfilled the fourth, His second coming will fulfill the last three.

 

[homwardbound]

If memory serves me right, the word used for unconditional agape compassion in KJV in 1 Cor. 13 is "charity". Not the modern kind of charity for virtue signaling, tax evasion or other ulterior motive, but real altruistic compassion for others.

Has God been charitable through Son Jesus for us all or not? Did Jesus willingly, charitably go through to that cross without any flesh fight back at all or not?
Yes, he did and who was it for Us, the People. to actually respond in charitable love (Be Loving, Caring) Honest forthright, accountable. from a new Heart God gives to anyone that is sincere in belief to see new, who asks for it sincerely Ezekiel 36:26, predicts this gift in risen Son for us all.
That was not understood until after the resurrection of Son Jesus, to the disciples, who still had troubles understanding this truth given them free of charge ever. Even after Pentecost, Father here on earth in Spirit and Truth the Holy Spirit to enter us and lead us each new and not have to have anyone else teach us anything else anymore 1 john2:27
we I see are to share with each other our good news in God's risen Son given us to love all charitably. Now does that mean I am to give over there and over here. What is it there I am to give and over there?
I see to give as led by God and do as led to do by God. I see to have mercy over sacrifice as on that road Jesus spoke of with that person harmed and cannot get up. Priests passed by, others went on. And one person stopped and took that person to an Inn and dressed that person up, paid the entire bill to get that person more help
Truly that person that helped was is a person in forgiveness from God given that person form God. He did not do it to get forgiven or to get loved as religions do
Luke 18:9-14 there is a difference in the two people spoke of one justified and the other not!

 

[bytheblood]

The point of discussion should not be dueling proof-texts but rather harmonizing discrepancies.
I would harmonize 1Cor. 15:35-50 with Acts 1:11 by understanding that spiritual bodies are visible.
And you? Do you agree that Jesus was not made flesh until his birth per Phil. 2:5-8 (cf. Heb. 2:14-17)?

Of course, the Word put on flesh and was named Jesus. I am saying that Jesus is STILL FLESH. Thomas didn't put his hands in and on a spiritual body. "And after eight days again His disciples were within, and Thomas with them: them came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you, Then saith He to THOMAS( who had said "Except I shall see in His HANDS THE PRINT OF THE NAILS, and PUT MY FINGER INTO THE PRINT OF THE NAILS, and THRUST MY HANDS INTO HIS SIDE, i WILL NOT BELIEVE. John 20: 24-25), reach hither thy finger, and behold My hands; and reach hither thy hand, and THRUST IT INTO MY SIDE: and be not faithless, but believing, And Thomas answered and said unto Him, my Lord and my God." John 20: 26-28. Yes, if God gives spiritual sight one can see into the spiritual realm ( read the account of an example of this in 2 Kings 6th chapter), but Jesus encouraged Thomas to "thrust has hand into", not a spiritual, but a physical body. The same physical body the the disciples saw ascending into heaven and the same physical body that is seated at the right hand of the Father, right now.

 

[bytheblood]

Was Adam in the beginning? Did Adam create all things? If not, then neither was the Jesus born of Virgin Mary, because Adam was the prototype, you can't have the "last Adam" without the first Adam. The firstborn of all creation was not Adam, but the LIGHT, "let there be light". That's what Jesus was in the beginning.

And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. (1 Cor. 15:45)

" But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first." Matthew 19:30

 

[GWH]

Of course, the Word put on flesh and was named Jesus. I am saying that Jesus is STILL FLESH. Thomas didn't put his hands in and on a spiritual body. "And after eight days again His disciples were within, and Thomas with them: them came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you, Then saith He to THOMAS( who had said "Except I shall see in His HANDS THE PRINT OF THE NAILS, and PUT MY FINGER INTO THE PRINT OF THE NAILS, and THRUST MY HANDS INTO HIS SIDE, i WILL NOT BELIEVE. John 20: 24-25), reach hither thy finger, and behold My hands; and reach hither thy hand, and THRUST IT INTO MY SIDE: and be not faithless, but believing, And Thomas answered and said unto Him, my Lord and my God." John 20: 26-28. Yes, if God gives spiritual sight one can see into the spiritual realm ( read the account of an example of this in 2 Kings 6th chapter), but Jesus encouraged Thomas to "thrust has hand into", not a spiritual, but a physical body. The same physical body the the disciples saw ascending into heaven and the same physical body that is seated at the right hand of the Father, right now.

But how do you harmonize that with 1Cor. 15:50? I do so by understanding that Jesus had not yet been translated to heaven.

 

[Toknow]

So according to you only an angel was in the burning bush.

How come the ground is holy?

Why won't Moses look at the so called angel?

Is this angel a ventriloquist speaking in the first person as God?

Or is the term "angel" a Greek word?

I was following your convo with the other member this morning....

You posted 3 verses (sorry I can't remember the post) and asked her what the difference is.

Apparently, you're distinguishing between a SIGN of God,,,which you're calling a theophony...
and a visible manifestation of God which you're calling a Christophony.

If this is correct,,,could you link something I can either watch or read reagarding this distinsction?
I've never heard of it before and am interested.

I've always heard both referred to as theophony.

Thanks!

 

[Toknow]

Did they see God - an all consuming fire - or a man? Jacob not only saw "God", he even wrestle with "God" all night! What he experienced was a theophany, God appeared - but not incarnated - in human form.

Then Jacob was left alone; and a Man wrestled with him until the breaking of day ... So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”

God's presence scared the Israelites to death, He was not relatable, He could not communicate with His people directly as an all consuming fire, therefore a medium between God and man is necessary. Before Christ, that medium was Moses, then the Levite priesthood.

Now all the people witnessed the thunderings, the lightning flashes, the sound of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking; and when the people saw it, they trembled and stood afar off. Then they said to Moses, “You speak with us, and we will hear; but let not God speak with us, lest we die.” (Ex. 18:18-19)

... according to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.’ (Deut. 18:16)

I believe the problem here is that you do post that no one has ever seen God.

But then, at times, you post that Jacob wrestled with "a man" and you post more of the verse "For I have seen God face to face".

You're creating a conflict.
Either God can be seen...
or He cannot.

It's accepted Christian theology that when God APPEARS to those in the OT, it is always Jesus.
I think i've said this already.

The persons in the OT saw JESUS,,,, not Father.
No one has ever seen Father except Jesus.

John 1:18
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[b] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.


We're not discussing a mediator here.
But a theophony...an appearance of God in the OT times.

 

[Toknow]

But how do you harmonize that with 1Cor. 15:50? I do so by understanding that Jesus had not yet been translated to heaven.

Have been reading some of your convo with @bytheblood

It is my understanding that flesh and blood cannot inhabit heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:50 confirms this:
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

And wouldn't this also confirm it?:


1 Corinthians 15:42-44
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.


At the resurrection, our body will be changed from a physical body to a spiritual, resurrected body.

I agree with you re Jesus getting this resurrected body at the ascension....


But the following has always intrigued me.
Twice John states that Jesus appeared but the doors were locked.

John 20:19
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”


John 20:26
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”

It sounds as though Jesus miraculously appeared to them.

 

[Inquisitor]

I was following your convo with the other member this morning....

You posted 3 verses (sorry I can't remember the post) and asked her what the difference is.

Apparently, you're distinguishing between a SIGN of God,,,which you're calling a theophony...
and a visible manifestation of God which you're calling a Christophony.

If this is correct,,,could you link something I can either watch or read reagarding this distinsction?
I've never heard of it before and am interested.

I've always heard both referred to as theophony.

Thanks!

There are folk in the O.T and the N.T that experience visions or more correctly. Folk that are permitted
to view the spiritual world, that is, the real world. There are two schools of thought on this topic on what
these visions are describing, be it God (YHWH) or the pre-incarnate Christ. Further, are the recipients in
an altered state such as asleep, in a trance, not coherent? Or are the recipients full aware (coherent)
and carrying on in their daily activities when the vision occurs?

Theophany is a visible display of God given to a recipient such as Moses or Joshua.

A Christophany is a vision of the Word (Christ, the Messiah) and shows a man or a son of man in the
vision.

In the Scripture, visions or revelations that occur with the recipient in a conscious, and coherent state,
often described as "open visions", are distinct from dreams or trances. Because they are active and awake
at the onset of the spiritual vision.

Moses and the experience of the burning bush was a direct "face-to-face" interaction. Moses was directly
communicating and not in a trance. Moses was desperately trying to get the Lord to choose his brother as
Moses did not speak well. Further, the Lord commanded Moses to take of his sandals in the presence of
the Lord. Moses was fully coherent and definitely not in a trance.

The level of detail described such as in Ezekiel's vision is a testament to Ezekiel being fully coherent.
The moment Ezekiel looked up in that divine vision at the man on the throne. Ezekiel at that very moment
was face down on the ground and of course Ezekiel was overwhelmed.

Joshua and the Captain of the Host in heaven (Joshua 5:13-15), Joshua is near Jericho, fully awake, when
he sees a man with a drawn sword. Joshua asks, "Are you for us or for our enemies?" and when he realizes
it is the Lord, he takes off his sandals, interacting in a fully conscious state.

All these recipients are definitely not in a trance but fully coherent.

 

[Inquisitor]

All these interactions take place in a spiritual state, like dreaming or hypnotized. John was IN THE SPIRIT, so was Daniel, Ezekiel and other prophets. In all these instances, Christ was a divine revelation, none of the OT prophets encountered a materialized, incarnated Christ.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day ... (Rev. 1:10)

There are folk in the O.T and the N.T that experience visions or more correctly. Folk that are permitted
to view the spiritual world (the heavens opened), that is, the real world. There are two schools of thought
on this topic on what these visions are describing, be it God (YHWH) or the pre-incarnate Christ.

Further, are these recipients in an altered state such as asleep, in a trance, not coherent, on drugs? Or are the
recipients full aware (coherent) and carrying on in their daily activities when the vision occurs?

Theophany is a visible display of God given to a recipient such as Moses or Joshua.

A Christophany is a vision of the Word (Christ, the Messiah) and shows a man or a son of man in the
vision.

In the Scripture, visions or revelations that occur with the recipient in a conscious, and coherent state,
often described as "open visions", are distinct from dreams or trances. Because they are active and awake
at the onset of the spiritual vision.

Moses and the experience of the burning bush was a direct "face-to-face" interaction. Moses was directly
communicating and not in a trance. Moses was desperately trying to get the Lord to choose his brother as
Moses did not speak well. This is a very coherent Moses, ducking and weaving, to avoid doing what the Lord
commanded him to do. Further, the Lord commanded Moses to take of his sandals in the presence of
the Lord. Moses was fully coherent and definitely not in a trance.

The level of detail described such as in Ezekiel's vision (Ezekiel 1), is a testament to Ezekiel being
fully coherent. Ezekiel saw "the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God". Then the moment
Ezekiel looked up in that divine vision at the man on the throne. Ezekiel then was face down on the
ground and of course Ezekiel was overwhelmed.

Joshua and the Captain of the Host in heaven (Joshua 5:13-15), Joshua is near Jericho, fully awake, when
he sees a man with a drawn sword. Joshua walks over to the man with the sword. Then Joshua asks,
"Are you for us or for our enemies?" and when he realizes it is the Lord, he takes off his sandals, this is
interacting in a fully conscious state.

All these recipients are definitely not in a trance but fully coherent.

 

[Toknow]

There are folk in the O.T and the N.T that experience visions or more correctly. Folk that are permitted
to view the spiritual world, that is, the real world. There are two schools of thought on this topic on what
these visions are describing, be it God (YHWH) or the pre-incarnate Christ. Further, are the recipients in
an altered state such as asleep, in a trance, not coherent? Or are the recipients full aware (coherent)
and carrying on in their daily activities when the vision occurs?

Theophany is a visible display of God given to a recipient such as Moses or Joshua.

A Christophany is a vision of the Word (Christ, the Messiah) and shows a man or a son of man in the
vision.

In the Scripture, visions or revelations that occur with the recipient in a conscious, and coherent state,
often described as "open visions", are distinct from dreams or trances. Because they are active and awake
at the onset of the spiritual vision.

Moses and the experience of the burning bush was a direct "face-to-face" interaction. Moses was directly
communicating and not in a trance. Moses was desperately trying to get the Lord to choose his brother as
Moses did not speak well. Further, the Lord commanded Moses to take of his sandals in the presence of
the Lord. Moses was fully coherent and definitely not in a trance.

The level of detail described such as in Ezekiel's vision is a testament to Ezekiel being fully coherent.
The moment Ezekiel looked up in that divine vision at the man on the throne. Ezekiel at that very moment
was face down on the ground and of course Ezekiel was overwhelmed.

Joshua and the Captain of the Host in heaven (Joshua 5:13-15), Joshua is near Jericho, fully awake, when
he sees a man with a drawn sword. Joshua asks, "Are you for us or for our enemies?" and when he realizes
it is the Lord, he takes off his sandals, interacting in a fully conscious state.

All these recipients are definitely not in a trance but fully coherent.

Didn't say they were in a trance.

Man has never seen God.
i think I posted John.

When Moses saw the buring bush,,,he saw a flame.
He didn't see God.

Whenever man sees God in the OT,,,it is always Jesus....
when that appearance is as of a man and not a sign.

The fire in the burning bush was a sign...
no visible person.

These appearances/manifestations have always been referred to as THEOPHONY.

IOW....Theophony and Christopany really mean the same,,,if we want to keep using both words.

This is from Wiki...looked it up myself since you didn't post any links:


A Christophany is an appearance or non-physical manifestation of Jesus. Traditionally the term refers to visions of Christ after his ascension, such as the bright light of the conversion of Paul the Apostle.[1]

Also, following the example of Justin Martyr, who identified the Angel of the Lord with the Logos,[2] some appearances of angels in the Old Testament are also identified by some Christians as preincarnate appearances of Christ.[

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophany


Do you agree or am I missing something??

 

[GWH]

Have been reading some of your convo with @bytheblood

It is my understanding that flesh and blood cannot inhabit heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:50 confirms this:
50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

And wouldn't this also confirm it?:


1 Corinthians 15:42-44
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.


At the resurrection, our body will be changed from a physical body to a spiritual, resurrected body.

I agree with you re Jesus getting this resurrected body at the ascension....


But the following has always intrigued me.
Twice John states that Jesus appeared but the doors were locked.

John 20:19
19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”


John 20:26
26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”

It sounds as though Jesus miraculously appeared to them.

Agreement is good! Yes, John 20:19&26 make it sound like Jesus already had a supernatural/spiritual body,
so maybe it is possible for that body to manifest itself physically/naturally also. It would make sense for the
5th dimensional being to retain the abilities of the inferior 4-dimensioal body.

 

[Inquisitor]

Didn't say they were in a trance.

Man has never seen God.
i think I posted John.

When Moses saw the buring bush,,,he saw a flame.
He didn't see God.

Whenever man sees God in the OT,,,it is always Jesus....
when that appearance is as of a man and not a sign.

The fire in the burning bush was a sign...
no visible person.

These appearances/manifestations have always been referred to as THEOPHONY.

IOW....Theophony and Christopany really mean the same,,,if we want to keep using both words.

This is from Wiki...looked it up myself since you didn't post any links:


A Christophany is an appearance or non-physical manifestation of Jesus. Traditionally the term refers to visions of Christ after his ascension, such as the bright light of the conversion of Paul the Apostle.[1]

Also, following the example of Justin Martyr, who identified the Angel of the Lord with the Logos,[2] some appearances of angels in the Old Testament are also identified by some Christians as preincarnate appearances of Christ.[

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophany


Do you agree or am I missing something??

Some folk think that God in the Old Testament was the Father and Jesus only shows up at the
incarnation (Theophany).

Another group thinks that the manifestations of God (YHWH) in the O.T. are of a man on the throne.
that man is the Word, the Messiah, the Lord of heaven and earth (Christophany).

Mankind has never heard the Father speak nor has mankind ever seen His form (John 5:37).

More accurately, in the visions or in real life the Lord appears it is not Jesus but the Word.

The Word steps down into our world (the darkness) and becomes Jesus.

The Word appears as the 'son of the Gods' as in the manifestation in the furnace below.

Daniel 3:25
He said, “Look! I see four men loosed and walking about in the midst of the fire without harm, and
the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods!”

The appearance of the Word in the furnace was visibly seen by Nebuchadnezzar.

The scripture is the revelation of Jesus Christ (the Word) and the scripture is not the revelation
of the Father.

 

[PaulThomson]

But that is Jesus before He has returned to heaven.

Here is a picture of Jesus after He has returned to His former estate.

Revelation 1:12-18
And in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet,
and girded across His chest with a golden sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow;
and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow
in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. In His right hand He held seven stars, and
out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid;
I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have
the keys of death and of Hades.

Jesus returned to heaven very soon after His encounter Mary Magdalene at the tomb. Jesus told her not tp touch her, or cling to her, because He had not yet ascended to the Father.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I am ascending unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

But appearing after this to the other women on their way to the disciples with the good news from the angels, the women clung to His feet and he did not tell them to stop doing so and he did not say He was ascending to the Father, because He had already been there and come back. How did He get from the garden to the women on their way to the disciples in Jerusalem, without a glorified body?

Matt. 28:9-10 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go report to my brethren so that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.

Zec. 3 describes seeing Jesus being glorified in a prophetic vision, which would happen when He was caught up into heaven after Mary Magdalene left the garden.

3: 1 And he shewed me Joshua (Greek Jesus) the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.
6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,
7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.
9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
10 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

 

[PaulThomson]

Not sure Luke 24:39 is applicable, because Jesus had not yet been translated into the heavenly realm/dimension,
so it seems more likely that our heavenly bodies, meaning every physical cell, will have supernatural powers,
like not needing to tinkle three times per night.

See my response to the same essential argument from Inquisitor. #338

 

[Inquisitor]

Jesus returned to heaven very soon after His encounter Mary Magdalene at the tomb

So how long do you think that Jesus was around before he returned to heaven?

You said, "very soon after His encounter Mary Magdalene"?