Works of the Law

[memberofthebride]

The FACT everyone accepting the doctrine of Grace must ignore.
The doctrine of Grace teaches; “obeying is no longer required”.
Here is the TRUTH that is being overlooked, ignored .
Without the “Rule of Law” –righteous law, no society survives, which 6000 years of history proves.

FACT: The world right now, including the US, is fast moving in to lawlessness.
The entire world is preparing for World War Three which can destroy the earth.

If God the Father allowed the Torah to be abolished, where does that leave His hundreds of millions of angels?
Do you believe angels can and should exist by their own rules? Without the rule of God’s Law/Torah, how many more would turn to Satan?
And do you really want Angels running around with the power they have, not controlled by the rules set by God?
Do you want more Satan's?
Satan is guiding and pulling the entire world into Lawlessness! We are almost there.

Everyone that jumps for joy at the thought the Torah had been abolished, will very soon realize that is a huge mistake.

Without Righteous law --- nothing can exist for long.

be careful what you wish for.

 

[memberofthebride]

I love it when folks call Jesus Christ



LOL-- so what is the - rule - for "rightly dividing the Word of GOD" according to you?

It would appear that nothing, according to you "holds true"!

What then IS "TRUTH" ---THE TRUTH Jesus Christ came to deliver that will set us free?

and what is it we are to be freed from --according to you?

Before I came on this blog I knew there was confusion, I did not realize how complete it IS.

the prophecy that the whole world at the time of the end would be completely deceived is true!

The term; " The 40,000 flavors of confusions" is FACT!

I wonder how many of the 40,000 agree with you --- even on this blog??

FACT: without the Torah, without clear sound doctrines, without the ONENESS of GOD, the ONENESS of GOD's MIND, --- 45,000 verities of churches can and will exist!

 

[Nedsk]

The only purpose of the law was to give Israel a knowledge of it's sin.

There is no righteousness available in that legal obedience.

The law was temporary until the arrival of Jesus.

Why the Law then? It was added on account of the violations, having been ordered through angels
at the hand of a mediator, until the Seed would come to whom the promise had been made. (Galatians 3:19)

The ten commandments are not eternal and never were.

So when Jesus says he didn't come to abolish the law but fulfill it, was he kidding?

 

[Dino246]

The doctrine of Grace teaches; “obeying is no longer required”.

What source did you use, that one might verify your claim?

Where can one find this alleged “doctrine of Grace” and question it regarding its teachings?

 

[memberofthebride]

What source did you use, that one might verify your claim?

Where can one find this alleged “doctrine of Grace” and question it regarding its teachings?

many on this blog have stated the Torah - the law has been abolished -- "christians" are now under Grace not law and I may be wrong but I think I remember you saying you are under grace, not law

Repeatedly, it is stated here; we are no longer "under" the law. that can only mean not "subject to"

and the ACTIONS of not obeying many of the 10 Commandments, for one -- the 4th. and I would expect at this point you will explain why the Sabbath is no more or why it is only for Jews or what ever excuse comes to mind.

understand-- obeying the Torah can not earn, give or otherwise bestow eternal life.
But God will not have "another" like Satan, given eternal life that will not LIVE according to HIS ONE narrow WAY which is -- righteous Law, rules.

Would you, as an owner of a business, hire anyone that will not follow your rules?
Why would you expect something different from GOD?

 

[memberofthebride]

So when Jesus says he didn't come to abolish the law but fulfill it, was he kidding?

To believe the Father or Christ would abolish the Torah, one must also believe the 119 Psalm is foolishness or worse, a lie.

that all David, "a man after God's own heart" wrote in extolling the Torah, the Commandments in the 119 Psalm, Christ came to end, because it was not TRUTH.

Love to see anyone attempt to explain that to the Coming KING of Kings.

 

[vassal]

The only purpose of the law was to give Israel a knowledge of it's sin.

There is no righteousness available in that legal obedience.

The law was temporary until the arrival of Jesus.

The ten commandments are not eternal and never were.

The Ten Commandments are eternal. The proof is shown in heaven itself, as described in the Book of Revelation, where in a future time the Ark of the Covenant is seen in Heaven.
“And the temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in his temple the Ark of his testament.” (Revelation 11:19 KJV)

Do you refute this truth?

Why did Jesus spend a great part of His ministry teaching these Ten Commandments, all ten of them? He said clearly that He did not come to remove them.

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:19 KJV)

Jesus also sent His twelve disciples to teach everything He taught and said, and that includes these commandments.
“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.” (Matthew 28:20 KJV)

You fight against God, Inquisitor. Repent. The doors are about to be shut.
“And they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.” (Matthew 25:10 KJV)

The tribulation is approaching and is very near.
“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Matthew 24:21 KJV)

There is still time for you to side with Christ and listen to what He said.

Inquisitor, you know that sin is lawlessness, and those who live and promote lawlessness will not enter heaven.
“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” (1 John 3:4 KJV)

 

[Dino246]

many on this blog have stated the Torah - the law has been abolished -- "christians" are now under Grace not law and I may be wrong but I think I remember you saying you are under grace, not law

Quote them. Quote me.

Would you, as an owner of a business, hire anyone that will not follow your rules?
Why would you expect something different from GOD?

God doesn’t hire; He saves. I’m not surprised that you don’t understand the vast difference.

I also am not surprised that you don’t understand the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

That should concern you.

 

[memberofthebride]

Quote them. Quote me.


God doesn’t hire; He saves. I’m not surprised that you don’t understand the vast difference.

I also am not surprised that you don’t understand the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

That should concern you.

I am not surprised by your answers! not at all, you ignore the logic, and offer generic questions

Does the indwelling of God the Father's Spirit mean we are not expected to live HIS narrow way?

Do you not understand how and why there are 45,000 different 'kinds' of christian churches?
Of which, the majority would not agree with either of us or with each other which is WHY there are 45,000.
even in the 1900 year old Catholic church there is no agreement. it can not be the Church of God the Father.

You are one of what? 2 to 2.5 billion, each with their own ideas of the whats and hows and whys.

How many on this blog agree with you??
I do not expect more then one or two to agree with "some" of what I write,
of the one hundred or so on this blog, how many are on the same page in all things -2 maybe

 

[Dino246]

I am not surprised by your answers! not at all, you ignore the logic, and offer generic questions

You made a claim. I challenged you to support your claim with evidence. That is perfectly logical and very specific.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

There is more than one purpose for the laws of God.

One is THIS by Dr Ron Paul.<
If people and politicians would do things God's way, His will truly WOULD be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

That said, NO man goes to Heaven by his/her obedience to the laws of God......NOT ONE!
For those who want to believe otherwise, then go ahead and be perfect.
See how that works out for you.

It's already been proven by Scriptures for anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.

 

[memberofthebride]

what is it exactly you want proved?? ask the question or give the statement you want scriptures to validate.

one or rwo not 10

 

[Nedsk]

I am not surprised by your answers! not at all, you ignore the logic, and offer generic questions

Does the indwelling of God the Father's Spirit mean we are not expected to live HIS narrow way?

Do you not understand how and why there are 45,000 different 'kinds' of christian churches?
Of which, the majority would not agree with either of us or with each other which is WHY there are 45,000.
even in the 1900 year old Catholic church there is no agreement. it can not be the Church of God the Father.

You are one of what? 2 to 2.5 billion, each with their own ideas of the whats and hows and whys.

How many on this blog agree with you??
I do not expect more then one or two to agree with "some" of what I write,
of the one hundred or so on this blog, how many are on the same page in all things -2 maybe

You were doing good for a while there. The catholic church is not 1900 but rather 2000+ years old. Every last one of those 45,000 flavors of church you mentioned is no older than 509 years old.

As to agreement the church is in complete agreement but lots of the people in the church don't agree with the church. That's not a failure of the church but it is of the people in it.

 

[memberofthebride]

You were doing good for a while there. The catholic church is not 1900 but rather 2000+ years old. Every last one of those 45,000 flavors of church you mentioned is no older than 509 years old.

As to agreement the church is in complete agreement but lots of the people in the church don't agree with the church. That's not a failure of the church but it is of the people in it.

 

[memberofthebride]

I use 1900 as that is about the time when unconverted men began to come in and change doctrines.
what happened is evident even today, if you are aware the mega churches are crashing, dying.
the same thing began to happen about 130 AD. men came in and pulled folks into their control away from God's seeking fame and wealth and power.

humans all want power, fame, wealth and control and will do what ever is required.

The leaders of the mega churches are not follower of Christ, not even attempting to teach the bible. and look at the numbers of folks that got sucked in and the money these preachers sucked out.

The doctrines of the "universal" church are very unique to that church. I have studied the Word since beginning in 1967, what I have found is 180 degrees from catholic doctrine and the 40,000
I do not believe in hell or going to heaven -- can't find either, no purgatory, no pope ect.

Sorry I include the catholics in with the 40,000 flavors.

one huge fact that is very telling --- if God were trying to "save mankind" for the last 2000 years it has been an abject failure. even to day only 2 or 2.5 billion out of 8.5 billion claim to be some type of christian.
Every thing I read proves this is not the only day God is offering salvation, in fact this is the early harvest. the spring harvest and the large fall harvest comes later.

the Word of God explains these fact but none will accept it as they reject maybe 90% of the entire bible as it is.

I realize this will not make you happy --sorry I seek only TRUTH, and it rarely comes from men.

 

[memberofthebride]

what is it exactly you want proved?? ask the question or give the statement you want scriptures to validate.

one or rwo not 10

caveat ; understood as fact; any scriptures offered can be interpreted in ten different ways, proven by the existence of the 45,000.
so I can prove things to myself but you will never agree. i will see it say up and you will see it says down.

 

[Inquisitor]

The Ten Commandments are eternal. The proof is shown in heaven itself, as described in the Book of Revelation, where in a future time the Ark of the Covenant is seen in Heaven.
“And the temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in his temple the Ark of his testament.” (Revelation 11:19 KJV)

Do you refute this truth?

Why did Jesus spend a great part of His ministry teaching these Ten Commandments, all ten of them? He said clearly that He did not come to remove them.

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:19 KJV)

Jesus also sent His twelve disciples to teach everything He taught and said, and that includes these commandments.
“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you.” (Matthew 28:20 KJV)

You fight against God, Inquisitor. Repent. The doors are about to be shut.
“And they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.” (Matthew 25:10 KJV)

The tribulation is approaching and is very near.
“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Matthew 24:21 KJV)

There is still time for you to side with Christ and listen to what He said.

Inquisitor, you know that sin is lawlessness, and those who live and promote lawlessness will not enter heaven.
“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” (1 John 3:4 KJV)

Everything that Israel ever built were copies of the heavenly reality.

Your aware of this fact?

The Ark of the Covenant was an earthly copy of the heavenly Ark of the Covenant.

Revelation 11:19
And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

Your going to tell me that the Lord's temple in heaven is the earthly temple transferred to heaven?

Your also going to tell me that the stone tablets is the law in Ark and that is in heaven?

 

[Inquisitor]

I use 1900 as that is about the time when unconverted men began to come in and change doctrines.
what happened is evident even today, if you are aware the mega churches are crashing, dying.
the same thing began to happen about 130 AD. men came in and pulled folks into their control away from God's seeking fame and wealth and power.

humans all want power, fame, wealth and control and will do what ever is required.

The leaders of the mega churches are not follower of Christ, not even attempting to teach the bible. and look at the numbers of folks that got sucked in and the money these preachers sucked out.

The doctrines of the "universal" church are very unique to that church. I have studied the Word since beginning in 1967, what I have found is 180 degrees from catholic doctrine and the 40,000
I do not believe in hell or going to heaven -- can't find either, no purgatory, no pope ect.

Sorry I include the catholics in with the 40,000 flavors.

one huge fact that is very telling --- if God were trying to "save mankind" for the last 2000 years it has been an abject failure. even to day only 2 or 2.5 billion out of 8.5 billion claim to be some type of christian.
Every thing I read proves this is not the only day God is offering salvation, in fact this is the early harvest. the spring harvest and the large fall harvest comes later.

the Word of God explains these fact but none will accept it as they reject maybe 90% of the entire bible as it is.

I realize this will not make you happy --sorry I seek only TRUTH, and it rarely comes from men.

You use the Roman Catholic interpretation of the scripture.

Yet you deny the mother church?

You reject the apostle Paul and have rejected 30% of the N.T for starters.

 

[Inquisitor]

You were doing good for a while there. The catholic church is not 1900 but rather 2000+ years old. Every last one of those 45,000 flavors of church you mentioned is no older than 509 years old.

As to agreement the church is in complete agreement but lots of the people in the church don't agree with the church. That's not a failure of the church but it is of the people in it.

The Roman Church took many centuries for it's power to grow.

We know that the Pope did not exercise absolute power over all Christians, until approximately
the 10th to 11th centuries. Because it was not until the 11th century that the Great Schism took place.
The Great Schism controversy concerned the power of the Roman Church Pope over all Christians.

There did exist an eastern and a western church with two popes.

The eastern church is what we know as the Orthodox church.

The Eastern Orthodox church broke away from the western Roman church.

A fair history of the Roman Catholic Church would date from perhaps the 11th century.

The 9th century was when the papacy set the precedent for supremacy, particularly through
the assertive pontificate of Nicholas I. However, full, realized "supreme rule" (where the Pope had
unquestioned power over both Church and state) is more commonly associated with later reforms
in the 11th century (e.g., Pope Gregory VII) rather than the 9th century.

 

[Nedsk]

The Roman Church took many centuries for it's power to grow.

We know that the Pope did not exercise absolute power over all Christians, until approximately
the 10th to 11th centuries. Because it was not until the 11th century that the Great Schism took place.
The Great Schism controversy concerned the power of the Roman Church Pope over all Christians.

There did exist an eastern and a western church with two popes.

The eastern church is what we know as the Orthodox church.

The Eastern Orthodox church broke away from the western Roman church.

A fair history of the Roman Catholic Church would date from perhaps the 11th century.

The 9th century was when the papacy set the precedent for supremacy, particularly through
the assertive pontificate of Nicholas I. However, full, realized "supreme rule" (where the Pope had
unquestioned power over both Church and state) is more commonly associated with later reforms
in the 11th century (e.g., Pope Gregory VII) rather than the 9th century.

Completely incorrect. Let me guess some protestant told you that. Hint: it's not a guess