The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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Man can play no part in his salvation. Salvation is completely a free gift which comes from and given by an exceedingly merciful and gracious Father through Jesus Christ the Savior to those who in no way deserve it. It is not within man's power to intervene in nor contribute to it.

[Tit 3:5-7 KJV]
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

[Rom 3:20 KJV] 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

I am not claiming that anyone has ever been made righteous enough to enter heaven on the merits of their own righteousness. Paul opposed this idea when he warned us that we cannot be saved by "works." Does this negate the call of the Gospel to repent and believe in Christ? Repentance from dead works and faith towards God are the first two foundational truths upon which the Church is built.

The Apostle Peter explained the gospel this way:
…18But in this way God has fulfilled what He foretold through all the prophets, saying that His Christ would suffer.
19 REPENT THEN AND TURN BACK, so that your sins may be wiped away, 20that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus, the Christ, who has been appointed for you.…
(Acts 3:18-19)
 
Yes, that is what I'm saying. There are many commands even though given that man simply cannot satisfy of himself, by himself, and that is why salvation is a gift given solely through grace.
The command to repent and believe is not just another command. It is the "kerygma" the "good news" that tells us how be can be saved. The fact that REPENT and BELIEVE are verbs show that they are actions - not of the body but of the heart and mind. The fact that they are IMPERATIVE verbs indicates that we are commanded to comply.
 
The fact that they are IMPERATIVE verbs indicates that we are commanded to comply.
We are told to comply, yet I do not believe that we are able to without change. The fact that we are changed reminds us of why we need a Savior. If we were able to do so without Him, why do we need to be saved?
 
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We are told to comply, yet I do not believe that we are able to without change. The fact that we are changed reminds us of why we need a Savior. If we were able to do so without Him, why do we need to be saved?
You cannot do without the Holy spirit is is why it was send to us so we can do the will of God, However it is a choice individuals have to make to stay a part of this world or move on and do Gods will. As well Jesus clearly said, what ever you ask the father in My name you shall receive, people forget this but is is important to remember this.
 
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I think what is being missed here is recognizing a great many posters reveal they don't know what the ten commandments are.
Their priority instead is to insist,Christians aren't to consider them valid.

Which is contrary to what Jesus taught.

Jesus said,if we live him we will keep his commands
Upon those commands,.boiled down to,live God with all our mind and heart,and our neighbor as ourselves,are that upon which all the laws and prophets hang.

Those who don't know the ten commandments certainly don't know those either.

When Jesus said his people can't keep those laws,he was condemning the immorality of the Jews.

When Jesus repeated the commandments in his teaching,he was reiterating their authority for the Jews who believed in him. And the Gentiles,to whom he preached as well.

The Sabbath was made for us. It was never repealed. And if we are all 9 e in Christ,and we actually believe that,we can never argue morality,the 10 commandments,don't apply to us because it is for Jews only.

What a ridiculous idea.
Don't steal!
Sorry,that's only for the Jews.
Riiiiight.

It's a new covenant brought to the people whom God calls to himself through his Son. The first "Christians", were Jews!
It's Satanic to insist Gentiles are separate and apart from certain of Jesus teachings because only Jews are obligated not to lie,murder,commit adultery,worship one God only,etc...

People need to wake up!

Segregationists,racists, thinking to divide the truth of Christ by insisting on pushing a Jews only agenda through the Gospel Good News are Satanic liars.

Why argue against their lies when the New Testament identified them before they were born.
 
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I am not claiming that anyone has ever been made righteous enough to enter heaven on the merits of their own righteousness. Paul opposed this idea when he warned us that we cannot be saved by "works." Does this negate the call of the Gospel to repent and believe in Christ? Repentance from dead works and faith towards God are the first two foundational truths upon which the Church is built.

The Apostle Peter explained the gospel this way:
…18But in this way God has fulfilled what He foretold through all the prophets, saying that His Christ would suffer.
19 REPENT THEN AND TURN BACK, so that your sins may be wiped away, 20that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus, the Christ, who has been appointed for you.…
(Acts 3:18-19)

What part of "not by works of righteousness we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us" don't you understand? It leaves no room for salvation to be by anything but God's mercy through Jesus Christ the Savior, period. Everything else, therefore, comes as a result of salvation, not its cause. Certainly, it can't be through law, because no flesh can be justified by or of law in any way. The below verses are very clear and explain perfectly the basis of salvation: all of it is by God, none of it is by man - man is but its recipient. And that is what makes salvation by God's grace alone.
Okay, we've gone around with this several times now, and you refuse to accept salvation by God's grace which is your prerogative
but I don't think it would be worth further time or effort to continue with it further.

[Tit 3:5-7 KJV]
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

[Rom 3:20 KJV] 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
 
I think what is being missed here is recognizing a great many posters reveal they don't know what the ten commandments are.
Their priority instead is to insist,Christians aren't to consider them valid.
Who says the ten commandments "are not valid"? Please quote them.

Or admit that you can't, because no knowledgable Christian says that.

It's a new covenant brought to the people whom God calls to himself through his Son. The first "Christians", were Jews!
It's Satanic to insist Gentiles are separate and apart from certain of Jesus teachings because only Jews are obligated not to lie,murder,commit adultery,worship one God only,etc...

People need to wake up!

Segregationists,racists, thinking to divide the truth of Christ by insisting on pushing a Jews only agenda through the Gospel Good News are Satanic liars.

Why argue against their lies when the New Testament identified them before they were born.
You apparently don't understand the nature of genuine Christianity. You don't understand the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit. In your ignorance, you mock and slander.

The problem isn't "Satanic" anything; it's rank ignorance of Scripture.
 
Who says the ten commandments "are not valid"? Please quote them.

Or admit that you can't, because no knowledgable Christian says that.


You apparently don't understand the nature of genuine Christianity. You don't understand the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit. In your ignorance, you mock and slander.

The problem isn't "Satanic" anything; it's rank ignorance of Scripture.
Why do I see so many profiles where people claim to be Christian, yet admit that they do not attend church? I suppose it could be poor health or some other good reason. . . :unsure:
 
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Why do I see so many profiles where people claim to be Christian, yet admit that they do not attend church? I suppose it could be poor health or some other good reason. . . :unsure:


Churches aren't like what they used to be.

The Bible says in the last days, the love of most will grow cold and many will only surround themselves with people who will tell them what their itching ears want to hear. The great apostasy is here and in the churches.

So God’s people won't go to church anymore. But that doesn’t mean they are disobeying God.

The Bible says:

Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

So God’s children can still obey God on meeting together and not to go to church.


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We are told to comply, yet I do not believe that we are able to without change. The fact that we are changed reminds us of why we need a Savior. If we were able to do so without Him, why do we need to be saved?
This why the Holy Spirit was sent into the world - first, to persuade us of our true condition (1) that we are sinners and (2) that Christ the was who He claimed He was and uniquely able to save us. Therefore, we can put our trust in Him to do what we cannot do for our selves. Our resistance is due to the fact that being born without spiritual life, instead serve the "desires of the flesh and mind."

Paul described our condition before we knew Christ this way:
1And you were DEAD in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.
(Ephesians 2:1-3)
A life motivated motivated by the lower desires of the flesh and mind is in OPPOSITION to the nature and will of God and cannot please Him. The Paul said the Law was a mirror that reveals our sin. This is a necessary step that prepares us for salvation.
10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading TO SALVATION, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
(2 Corinthians 7:10)

This too is due to the conviction of the Holy Spirit who with the Word will convicts every needy soul. All this work is intended to lead us to such a point of desperation that we "call upon the name of the Lord" This was how I myself was saved when I was a boy. I knew next to nothing about theology and never imagined that I could do anything to please God or satisfy His demands because it was ME He wanted. You said that you did not think anyone would comply with Gods will without being changed first. The way I have described is the way God brings about change in us.
 
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Why do I see so many profiles where people claim to be Christian, yet admit that they do not attend church? I suppose it could be poor health or some other good reason. . . :unsure:
what church must they attend? a catholic, one a baptist one.... they all teach different things, some are somewhat aligned with scripture some are not. the day I find a proper church ill be attending certainly i would love nothing more, until then, the words of Christ through the bible suffice and sustain me.
 
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Why do I see so many profiles where people claim to be Christian, yet admit that they do not attend church? I suppose it could be poor health or some other good reason. . . :unsure:
I suspect that online forums tend to attract people who avoid in-person church attendance. There is less accountability as you can make *any* claim regarding your reasons for not attending.
 
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Why do I see so many profiles where people claim to be Christian, yet admit that they do not attend church? I suppose it could be poor health or some other good reason. . .

Because most churches teach false doctrine these days and some people see warnings in God's Word to not sit under false doctrine.

The rest go ahead and sit under false doctrine and are damned because o0f their support for false doctrine.
 
Because most churches teach false doctrine these days and some people see warnings in God's Word to not sit under false doctrine.

The rest go ahead and sit under false doctrine and are damned because o0f their support for false doctrine.
Since I am confident that you have not visited let alone often enough to assess "most churches", your comment is pointless.
 
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Agree. And some of us don't see the reason for assembling being entertainment.

It's not even decent entertainment - the shows they put on are designed to deceive people. I used to go to a church back in the day they frequently put on skits that were not very entertaining at all.

They wrap their deception inside the shows that put on and some even make people buy tickets to be able to get in the show to be deceived.



Is Christ divided? Were the Baptists crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Pentecostalism? Are you not mere men?

The true Body of Christ is not divided.

But it's very very rare to see a church building where a few folks meet who are actually true Christians.

If there were any in my area, I'd definitely attend.

I've visited numerous churches in my area and they all teach false doctrine and if I were to sit very long in their service I would stand up and start preaching and would totally wreck their service, especially when I inform the congregation that their pastors are wolves!

I don't do that because they Lord Himself is not going in to break up these dens of demons since He created everyone with free will and if they want to follow the devil the Lord will let them because they have rejected Him in order to do so.

Typically when visiting with individual people in my area it's like fishing in that I throw a little something out there about the Lord to see if they'll bite, to see if they are hungry to hear about the Lord or not. Most are not, so I go fish elsewhere.

One of the most effective ice breakers I've hear of is to walk up to a complete stranger and ask them: "So, have you decided yet what you are going to do about Jesus?"

You'll know where they stand by their answer and can proceed from there
 
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It's not even decent entertainment - the shows they put on are designed to deceive people. I used to go to a church back in the day they frequently put on skits that were not very entertaining at all.

They wrap their deception inside the shows that put on and some even make people buy tickets to be able to get in the show to be deceived.





The true Body of Christ is not divided.

But it's very very rare to see a church building where a few folks meet who are actually true Christians.

If there were any in my area, I'd definitely attend.

I've visited numerous churches in my area and they all teach false doctrine and if I were to sit very long in their service I would stand up and start preaching and would totally wreck their service, especially when I inform the congregation that their pastors are wolves!

I don't do that because they Lord Himself is not going in to break up these dens of demons since He created everyone with free will and if they want to follow the devil the Lord will let them because they have rejected Him in order to do so.

Typically when visiting with individual people in my area it's like fishing in that I throw a little something out there about the Lord to see if they'll bite, to see if they are hungry to hear about the Lord or not. Most are not, so I go fish elsewhere.

One of the most effective ice breakers I've hear of is to walk up to a complete stranger and ask them: "So, have you decided yet what you are going to do about Jesus?"
I wonder if you were the person who was at the cashier at Target a few weeks ago? I was behind the person when they asked the cashier that exact question.
The cashier answered, "nothing for now. He's my yardman, so we'll talk in the spring."

The questioner was left speechless and continued to check out.
In their bathrooms,Walmarts,and the fast food restaurant bathrooms here ,every day there are tracts found in the stalls.

Imagine that testimony.
I found Jesus while going #2 at Dicks.


You'll know where they stand by their answer and can proceed from there
I think it presumptuous,arrogant and rude.
People like you imagine others are damned just because they come into your field of vision. Then,you ask them to account for the state of their souls by asking if they know Jesus.

They could be Christian. But you're telling them it isn't obvious unless they answer.

God knows what you'd do if they answered, I'm Catholic.

God says he will call whom he will to his son. This isn't first century anymore. It is virtually impossible for someone not to know who Jesus is.

I was at a register last year in a Walmart. A guy and his son asked the cashier behind me if they knew Jesus.
Then proceeded to pester her even after they were checked out and had paid.

I finished checking out and was waiting for my sister to get her order to the registers. We shopped separately that day. She was there for housewares, I shopped for food.

I timed it. This guy persisted for 25 minutes. From the time I was being checked out until he became loud and verbally aggressive after. Then a manager told them they had to leave.

Presuming people are damned and have to account for their state of faith to a stranger who takes the initiative to ask that of them is not what Christ had in mind.

Last week at my work a group of Christians presumed to enter the lobby and hand out tracts.
When told to leave by security,they proceeded to the parking lot.

Outrageous. Ice ,snow, crazy drivers. But there hey were. Until police and our security made them leave.
 
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I think what is being missed here is recognizing a great many posters reveal they don't know what the ten commandments are.
This is highly unlikely in most western cultures....unless you are saying that the average person cannot list them all. Most people gunderstand that such actions as murder, adultery and theft are wrong.

Their priority instead is to insist,Christians aren't to consider them valid.
So, in your view, people (even nominal Christians) do not think moral laws prohibiting theft, adultery and murder are wrong? While people are lawless this does not mean they do not know at (least in theory) that such behaviors are "wrong" This admission does not mean they understand the essence of their evil.

Jesus said,if we live him we will keep his commands Upon those commands, boiled down to,live God with all our mind and heart,and our neighbor as ourselves,are that upon which all the laws and prophets hang.
In context, Jesus was not referring simply to the ten commandments that were given by Moses. Jesus was referring specifically to HIS commands, which are far deeper applying to the thoughts and motives of the heart.

Even those who understand and seek to follow the Law of Moses are often unaware of the scope and depth of its application. When I lived in Israel, I discovered that many Rabbis denied Jesus moral teaching that we are responsible for what they allow to go on in our minds, insisting that sin was strictly behavioral. Thus, they could indulge in pornography of any kind whether mental or visual so long as they did not PRACTICE those things. By contrast, Jesus taught that the heart is seat of desires and motives by which ALL humanity would be judged in the Day Christ appears.

The Sabbath was made for us. It was never repealed. And if we are all 9 e in Christ,and we actually believe that,we can never argue morality, the 10 commandments,don't apply to us because it is for Jews only.

Your make the point that Shabbat was never repealed. However, it is evident from history that the earliest Christians ceased to practice Shabbat as the Jews had done. Instead, they CHANGED the day of worship and rest from Shabbat (the SEVENTH day) to Yom Rishon (the FIRST DAY) to the FIRST (1 Cor. 16:1-2) because that was the day Jesus was resurrected. Just as Shabbat commemorated the completion of the Old Creation on the seventh day so the FIRST DAY (Yom Rishon) looks forward to the NEW DAY when mankind and the planet would be RESTORED AND RECREATED.

Christ said He was Lord of the Sabbath. Both Father and Son had created the original universe by sequential periods. Not only that but the author of Hebrews tells us that the Son continues to hold it together by "the word of His power (Hebrews 1:1-3). Does He not, therefore have the authority to establish a new day of worship based upon His greatest work which is redemption?

While I was a member of a Messianic congregation I kept Shabbat. However, I would never judge any believer for worshiping on another day as Paul said: 5 One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes a SPECIAL DAY does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.…(Romans 14:5-6)

Historically, the earliest practice of the new covenant believers was to assemble and eat the covenant meal together on the first day of the week. The purpose of “coming together” was for fellowship and worship. We have an example of this in Acts 20 o “on the first day of the week” (v. 7). The day on which the early church was commanded to assemble was “the first day of the week” not the Sabbath
(1 Cor. 16:1-2).
 
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