Understanding apologetics

[Jordon]

Are you denying saying God circumcised the hearts of the Israelites in the dessert based on Deut30:6
I can bring your post here if you like

now your making me out to be liar I've told you the circumcision was more important after I told you that.

I told you that the new heart was totally different, to my asking you to see circumcision to the conscience or heart is different to circumcised, but you don't want to listen, I'm telling you there similar before the new heart is given, I've told you circumcised of the heart as in a new heart was a much later event

I've addressed this.

You want it to be seen as I'm saying something else.

When you receive circumcision in the conscience does it affect the heart to

That was the question of deautorinony 6

Can you answer the question


What did God say bind this message around your heart for

 

[Undergrace1]

now your making me out to be liar I've told you the circumcision was more important after I told you that.

I told you that the new heart was totally different, to my asking you to see circumcision to the conscience or heart is different to circumcised, but you don't want to listen, I'm telling you there similar before the new heart is given, I've told you circumcised of the heart as in a new heart was a much later event

I've addressed this.

You want it to be seen as I'm saying something else.

When you receive circumcision in the conscience does it affect the heart to

That was the question of deautorinony 6

Can you answer the question


What did God say bind this message around your heart for

I just copy pasted what you wrote in 316. I see nothing fruitful in continuing this, bye

 

[Jordon]

I just copy pasted what you wrote in 316. I see nothing fruitful in continuing this, bye

sorry that's cop out and you've failed to address my reason again, even after you asserted my reason was true of what you thought, which it wasn't.

Thats called irrational behaviour

 

[Jordon]

Taken from your post 316:
''''I think this is where lots of confusion sets in,

Leading up to the final days of Moses is when all the Israelites people of Israel where circumcised in heart

Deuteronomy

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Intended for all the Israelites people roughly 2 million people.




Deuteronomy 30:6

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6 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

This is Just before the final stages of there journey roughly before they entered the promised land just months before.

This was and is a dirty trick only deleting my post to mean something else, then having me made to look bad for doing
so whilst completely ignoring me and my reason for it, which i told you several times ?. Where's your grace

Heres by full post



to clarify this post is meant to say circumcision to the conscience is similar similar to circumcised of the heart.

It misses out Deuteronomy 6:8 which says bind the message around your heart or conscience, meant to be the same meaning as something also circumcising the heart m, as God says tells the Israelites to bind messages around there heart in other key verses. Now the question is how could God's message be binded in the heart or conscience, are you will to acknowledge Romans 2:15 here now, a blessing to all mankind.


Read my original post again.



I think this is where lots of confusion sets in,

Leading up to the final days of Moses is when all the Israelites people of Israel where circumcised in heart

Deuteronomy 30:6

New International Version


Intended for all the Israelites people roughly 2 million people.

Whether every individual existing then experienced this circumcision at this time is a matter of faith. But before that it's widely believed they where blessed with an inherent moral law based on principles etc.

And it's widely believed all people of today are blessed with moral principles of the law , especially my reformed church, as they grow there hearts get circumcised by Gods word,

This all happens before a new heart is given.


Deuteronomy 30:6

New International Version

6 The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

This is Just before the final stages of there journey roughly before they entered the promised land just months before.

But before they entered the promised land,

lets call it 2 million people grew in Gods mercy more so than they did before, through being graced with God's morally law inwardly. more than they had done before this circumcision, to there conscience, of knowing right from wrong. was more so after less so before.

They expressed kindness obedience worship prayer before the circumcision 2 million people did that for 40 years. But now they would do it more so in the final few months of the desert.

Right after this circumcision like 3 months after, 1 million people got left in the desert but it was more like 600.000 people, the rest went into the promised land

The ones that got left in the wilderness, we know they may have died, but we don't know how they died. And it's a matter of faith if they to where left with a circumcised heart.

Roughly 200 year later after the circumcision in the promised land now, there's talk of. Being given a new heart. Thought to be a prophecy of the future for Christ to change your heart all Togeather,

So now if all them people got circumcised in the heart then in some way,

It's a matter of faith whether all people today are not blessed with moral law first before circumcised in the heart in some way. Before a new heart.

I go with all people of today have an inner moral law blessing first.

Then a circumcision then a new heart.

And my faith is set with that one.

 

[Nedsk]

You're ignoring the point. You cannot receive salvation in part by obeying the law you will continually transgress
I can say with confidence, the council of Trent did not understand Paul's message. They link salvation to the law Paul says we die to an are released from, the law that is the rerson he keeps stating you cannot be justifed by obeying the law
And trent says, if a person believes all of the TC cannot be obeyed they are anathema, yet Paul refers to the ten as the letter that kills, the ministration of death and condemnation.
Trents statements cannot be brought into line with Paul's

The only point that matters is you sin everyday and sin separates us from God

 

[Jordon]

The only point that matters is you sin everyday and sin separates us from God

and something still remains

What can the whole bible do to the conscience.

Or are you continuously going to ignore me for your own irrational behaviour

 

[Undergrace1]

To presume all your saved is prideful

It has never made me pridefull. When I think God still loves me after all of my mistakes because Jesus died for me I get down on my knees in heartfelt gratitude. There is no pride in self whatsoever. I can honestly say, now, in my life God gets all the glory, praise and honour, nothing is due to me whatsoever.

The only point that matters is you sin everyday and sin separates us from God

Then it is a good job our righteousness is faith in Christ and not obeying the law isn't it.
But how can your righteousness be faith in Christ if salvation hinges on obeying the TC? It then hinges on obeying the law

 

[Jordon]

Is the authority of the bible able to bind the conscience

Can we get past the part ? @Undergrace1

 

[Jordon]

You're not an animal, working on instinct, youre a human with a brain and a conscience who can make conscious decisions. Faith alone doesn't cut it and when we fail there is reconciliation. A sacrament in the church. John 20: 21-23. To presume all your saved is prideful

what happens when your sins are forgiven come first when being saved, and it's not prideful to know. your not the forgiving type either,


which by the looks of it your not the forgiving type, as you have me on ignore for your own snarky behaviour.


The word if coukd be, if you have a forgiving heart your father forgives you.

If you forgive trespassers means if those who sin against you ask for forgiveness your father will not forgive you untill you forgive those asking for repentance,. It doesn't just a paint a picture there's a time stamp on it.

All of which your conscience will be made aware, and if you should forgive those trespasses, more so in person grown in conscience.

If somebody doesn't forgive them it doesn't mean there not saved or are saved, most of the teaching of Jesus spoke to people was before being filled with the holy spirit. So see the point of if being a good sign your saved,

And once again to call people prideful because they are assured they saved and know there saved, is nothing more than an absolute derogative statement

To know your at peace with a clear conscience, before your conscience is suffering guilt again, where it's gets cleared again and again, everytime you search the lord, is also to know you are blessed, to know you have love for his ways is know you are blessed.

But to take it all away with you can't know like you, is your problem.

 

[Nedsk]

It has never made me pridefull. When I think God still loves me after all of my mistakes because Jesus died for me I get down on my knees in heartfelt gratitude. There is no pride in self whatsoever. I can honestly say, now, in my life God gets all the glory, praise and honour, nothing is due to me whatsoever.

Then it is a good job our righteousness is faith in Christ and not obeying the law isn't it.
But how can your righteousness be faith in Christ if salvation hinges on obeying the TC? It then hinges on obeying the law

Oh course it's made you prideful and blind. You assume your salvation is secure and it cannot be lost. That.by definition is prideful. Matt 20:1-16 you presume salvation can be granted whenever God likes but he can't take it way whenever he likes. Youve decided what God can and can't do. You do the same with the eucharist

 

[GWH]

Oh course it's made you prideful and blind. You assume your salvation is secure and it cannot be lost. That.by definition is prideful. Matt 20:1-16 you presume salvation can be granted whenever God likes but he can't take it way whenever he likes. Youve decided what God can and can't do. You do the same with the eucharist

Here is how faith and law can be harmonized per the NT:

There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace or motivates good works while walking/living in the Spirit (Eph. 2:8-10, 2Cor. 5:7), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime (Rom. 1:17). IOW, the ability to do good works as well as have saving faith are both due to God’s grace. Faith first; love lasts (Eph. 2:8-10, Rom. 5:5).

 

[Nedsk]

Here is how faith and law can be harmonized per the NT:

There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace or motivates good works while walking/living in the Spirit (Eph. 2:8-10, 2Cor. 5:7), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime (Rom. 1:17). IOW, the ability to do good works as well as have saving faith are both due to God’s grace. Faith first; love lasts (Eph. 2:8-10, Rom. 5:5).

Of course there's a difference otherwise if there wasnt there would be no reason for Jesus to say what he said. You people just ignore the stuff you don't like and try to explain it away.

 

[GWH]

Of course there's a difference otherwise if there wasnt there would be no reason for Jesus to say what he said. You people just ignore the stuff you don't like and try to explain it away.

I try to harmonize faith and law, but you do not.
There's the difference.

 

[Nedsk]

I try to harmonize faith and law, but you do not.
There's the difference.

No you think you do but you don't. Jesus is quite clear that just proclaiming a faith is useless unless you do the will of the Father. That's not "the law" that's the Word made flesh.

That's the difference

 

[GWH]

No you think you do but you don't. Jesus is quite clear that just proclaiming a faith is useless unless you do the will of the Father. That's not "the law" that's the Word made flesh.

That's the difference

Do you think YOU did?
I do not see that you even tried.
Jesus said faith in Him IS the will of the Father (John 6:29).
Paul agreed (Rom. 3:21-5:1).

 

[Nedsk]

Do you think YOU did?
I do not see that you even tried.
Jesus said faith in Him IS the will of the Father (John 6:29).
Paul agreed (Rom. 3:21-5:1).

Believe in the one he sent which is to do the will of the father. There are so many things Jesus said that you just ignore

 

[GWH]

Believe in the one he sent which is to do the will of the father. There are so many things Jesus said that you just ignore

Name one Scripture with a quote of me ignoring it.