Loss of salvation???

[Ouch]

Let me assure you of something sawdust:
When I put a question in a post, it is NOT to get an answer.
It's becaue I KNOW the answer but would like YOU to think about what you've stated.

This is a common tool when teaching a class.
Guess you didn't know about it....
but now you do.

The only reason I'm respondig is I feel your pain.

I don't feel so bad now, when dealing with the saw dust guy or gal he or she said when we are filled with the spirit that is when we get rid of our sins.

I asked for scripture, because I agree ask questions to get them to find the answer themselves.

No idea how many times he or she told me they gave me scripture and never did.

Keep planting those seeds.

 

[Ouch]

It is most difficult to post to you....

But to reply to the above...
I was replying to your post at no. 5973...

Here is what you stated:


I'm not asking you to address anything. You said you were not going to respond to me so I'm not sure what you are doing.

The Bible describes faith so I don't need your definition.

You are wrong about not needing hope and faith in the eternal state. Hope, in scripture, is not some form of wishful thinking but is confidence in God so that is never going to change. Faith, as I explained, is the word alive and working in our life so we will continue to live by every word that comes from the mouth of God eternally.

Faith, hope and love remain eternally


I was responding to the above.
I was saying that when we see God face to face...
WHY will faith be necessary?
WHY will hope be necessary?

Telling me I'm WRONG does not help in any conversation.

Do you know the difference between DISCUSSING scripture and
just wanting to be right or wrong?



Here is the complete scripture:

1 Corinthians 13:8-13
8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of [c]prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with.

9 For we know in part and prophesy in part;

10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away with.

11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I [d]became a man, I did away with childish things.

12 For now we see in a mirror [e]dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I also have been fully known.

13 But now faith, hope, and love remain, these three; but the [f]greatest of these is love.


The reason I referred to theology and not scripture is because 1 Cor 13:13 is not agreed upon by all theologians.

If you note in verse 8, Paul is saying that some gifts will be done away with.
Faith is a gift, as per Ephesians 2:8

Also, depending on how we want to define FAITH...as confidence in things not seen,
Hebrews 11.1

It becomes understandable that faith will not be needed after we see God face to face.

So, 1 Cor 13:13 would require some explanation....


The same for HOPE.
WHAT is it we hope for?

If I hope to get some food,,,and then I get the food....hope is no longer necessary.


If anyone else wants to join in, it would be appreciated since there can be different understandings of this topic.

Sorry, best to dust you feet.

The saw dust guy or gal has been given pleanty of scripture and questioned to many times.

It's time for JESUS to work on him and give the increase with what he or she has received.

 

[Toknow]

The only reason I'm respondig is I feel your pain.

I don't feel so bad now, when dealing with the saw dust guy or gal he or she said when we are filled with the spirit that is when we get rid of our sins.

I asked for scripture, because I agree ask questions to get them to find the answer themselves.

No idea how many times he or she told me they gave me scripture and never did.

Keep planting those seeds.

It's a good method for sure..asking questions I mean.
Smart persons can usually tell when a question is rhetorical, or for effect.
And yes, I've noticed that scripture is not used much...
anything that is not supported by scripture is just one man's opinion.
I may not agree with you about something...but the conversation should be
polite and lead to more understanding ....
ad hominums are used when a person is unable to present their arguement.

Thanks for your kind words.

 

[sawdust]

It is most difficult to post to you....

But to reply to the above...
I was replying to your post at no. 5973...

Here is what you stated:


I'm not asking you to address anything. You said you were not going to respond to me so I'm not sure what you are doing.

The Bible describes faith so I don't need your definition.

You are wrong about not needing hope and faith in the eternal state. Hope, in scripture, is not some form of wishful thinking but is confidence in God so that is never going to change. Faith, as I explained, is the word alive and working in our life so we will continue to live by every word that comes from the mouth of God eternally.

Faith, hope and love remain eternally


I was responding to the above.
I was saying that when we see God face to face...
WHY will faith be necessary?
WHY will hope be necessary?

Telling me I'm WRONG does not help in any conversation.

Do you know the difference between DISCUSSING scripture and
just wanting to be right or wrong?



Here is the complete scripture:

1 Corinthians 13:8-13
8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of [c]prophecy, they will be done away with; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away with.

9 For we know in part and prophesy in part;

10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away with.

11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I [d]became a man, I did away with childish things.

12 For now we see in a mirror [e]dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully, just as I also have been fully known.

13 But now faith, hope, and love remain, these three; but the [f]greatest of these is love.


The reason I referred to theology and not scripture is because 1 Cor 13:13 is not agreed upon by all theologians.

If you note in verse 8, Paul is saying that some gifts will be done away with.
Faith is a gift, as per Ephesians 2:8

Also, depending on how we want to define FAITH...as confidence in things not seen,
Hebrews 11.1

It becomes understandable that faith will not be needed after we see God face to face.

So, 1 Cor 13:13 would require some explanation....


The same for HOPE.
WHAT is it we hope for?

If I hope to get some food,,,and then I get the food....hope is no longer necessary.


If anyone else wants to join in, it would be appreciated since there can be different understandings of this topic.

Strewth woman, what part of "I have already explained" do you not comprehend? I explained faith in post#5931 and told you hope is not as we use it today in post#5964.

I have told you biblical hope is not some form of wishful thinking but is confidence in God and faith exists because of the word. Why on earth do you think confidence and the word will have no place in the eternal state?

You pose questions that show you do not understand biblical hope nor do you understand the difference between the spiritual gift of faith and the faith through which we are saved. Paul is not talking about the spiritual gift of faith (v.13) that is something else. That is an assurance apart from having any word of God on the matter.

Look at the very verse 13 you quote.

1Cor.13:13
13 But now faith, hope, and love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Where does it say they will end? If you argue faith and hope will end, you must also argue love will end.

This is how we ought to live today and will live forever, having complete confidence in every word that proceeds from the mouth of God and in the eternal state it will be without a hint of doubt or shadow of disbelief.

How can you not know this?

 

[sawdust]

Yeah.
Can't have any type of conversation with you.
Just as I thought from the first day I got here.
You say this is a discussion board...
so why can't you discuss??

OK.
I'm out of my league.

Please do not respond to the post I just sent to you.

I'm leaving it up in case others care to respond.

Others that know how to have an intelligent conversation.

I gave you your answers. Don't blame me for your inability to comprehend and I'll respond to what I want, it's a public forum. If the answers you get go over your head every time then maybe you need to do where the unintelligent conversations are being held.

Have a nice day.

 

[mailmandan]

To HELL THEY go, why did JESUS send these fokes to hell, they had faith and was working for HIM.

Who said these folks had faith and were working for Jesus? In context, Jesus is discussing false prophets. Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

Matthew 7:21-23
King James Version
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. Those who truly believe in Him will not be condemned. (John 3:18)

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

These false prophets were trusting in their works for salvation and not in Jesus Christ alone.

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus never knew these many folks (vs. 23) which means they were never saved. These many people in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and not in Jesus Christ alone. Their hearts were not right with God, so their "attempted external obedience" (apart from the righteousness of God which is by faith and the blood of Jesus Christ - Romans 3:24-26; 4:5-6; Philippians 3:9) was still stained with sin. Hence, ye that work iniquity/you who practice lawlessness.

 

[Ouch]

Who said these folks had faith and were working for Jesus? In context, Jesus is discussing false prophets. Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. Those who truly believe in Him will not be condemned. (John 3:18)

These false prophets were trusting in their works for salvation and not in Jesus Christ alone.

Jesus never knew these many folks (vs. 23) which means they were never saved. These many people in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and not in Jesus Christ alone. Their hearts were not right with God, so their "attempted external obedience" (apart from the righteousness of God which is by faith and the blood of Jesus Christ - Romans 3:24-26; 4:5-6; Philippians 3:9) was still stained with sin. Hence, ye that work iniquity/you who practice lawlessness.

You are right they were not saved, and JESUS will be sending them and other like minded people to HELL.

YOU claim they are trusting on their works.

YOU claim there hearts were not right with GOD.

If you haven't been bapitzed in JESUS name to remove your sins, arn't you trusting in your works?

If your heart was right with GOD, you would obey HIM and trust HIM and get baptized in JESUS wonderful name.

Any chance we can get past how we get rid of our sins so we can move on to the next part of being reborn, receiveing the Holy Ghost?

Can you tell me, why you don't like how we are told to get rid of our sins?

What is your problem with being bapitzed in JESUS name?

 

[mailmandan]

You are right they were not saved, and JESUS will be sending them and other like minded people to HELL.

First you said they had faith and were working for Jesus. Now you are back peddling.

YOU claim they are trusting on their works.

Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have WE not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? The correct answer for these many people would have been, 'Lord, Lord, didn't YOU die for our sins, were buried, and rose again the third day to provide for us eternal life? (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) We trust in YOU alone for salvation. (John 3:18; 6:40; 10:9; 14:6; Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; Romans 1:16)

YOU claim there hearts were not right with GOD.

Yes, Jesus never knew them which means they were never saved. John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge.

If you haven't been bapitzed in JESUS name to remove your sins, arn't you trusting in your works?

Jesus' name is not a rigid baptism formula but is a reference to authority. Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

I'm trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation and not in H20. Water baptism does not remove sins. The blood of Christ removes sins. (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5)

If your heart was right with GOD, you would obey HIM and trust HIM and get baptized in JESUS wonderful name.

My heart was purified by faith (Acts 15:9) and not by water baptism. I have obeyed Jesus unto salvation by believing in Him (John 6:40; Acts 10:43) and after salvation by being baptized. (Matthew 28:19; Acts 10:47-48)

Any chance we can get past how we get rid of our sins so we can move on to the next part of being reborn, receiveing the Holy Ghost?

Can you tell me, why you don't like how we are told to get rid of our sins?

What is your problem with being bapitzed in JESUS name?

I have already explained this to you over and over and over again.

Must baptism be “in Jesus’ name”? - CARM

Your indoctrination runs very deep. I can see that your church has really done a number on you.

 

[Ouch]

First you said they had faith and were working for Jesus. Now you are back peddling.

Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have WE not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? The correct answer for these many people would have been, 'Lord, Lord, didn't YOU die for our sins, were buried, and rose again the third day to provide for us eternal life? (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) We trust in YOU alone for salvation. (John 3:18; 6:40; 10:9; 14:6; Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; Romans 1:16)

Yes, Jesus never knew them which means they were never saved. John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him and not merely theoretical knowledge.

Jesus' name is not a rigid baptism formula but is a reference to authority. Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

I'm trusting in Jesus Christ for salvation and not in H20. Water baptism does not remove sins. The blood of Christ removes sins. (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5)

My heart was purified by faith (Acts 15:9) and not by water baptism. I have obeyed Jesus unto salvation by believing in Him (John 6:40; Acts 10:43) and after salvation by being baptized. (Matthew 28:19; Acts 10:47-48)

I have already explained this to you over and over and over again.

Must baptism be “in Jesus’ name”? - CARM

Your indoctrination runs very deep. I can see that your church has really done a number on you.

FYI, I didn't share anything from my church, I guess that is where you get your infomant from not all of us do.

Please don't be offended if I don't reply anymore to you.

Best of luck, dusting my feet.

 

[Just_A__Follower]

You don't think they had faith???

Did you notice what JESUS spoke of after HE throught them in to Hell?

FOUNDATION!!!! Yep foundation.

So what do you think of the foundation that JESUS laid out in John 3:5?

JESUS SAID, JESUS SAID, HELLO!!!!
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Why don't you belived him?

Isn't HE that we are suppose to have faith in, but yet you don't even believe what HE says?

JESUS did not say have faith are you are saved!!

If JESUS said we have to be born of water and of spirit why do you say just faith?

What did JESUS mean, by water and spirit?

I asked you have you been born of the spirit, has JESUS filled you with the Holy Ghost?

How were you baptized???

You never responded!!

What do you think baptism is for?

Do you think there is a Hell?

Why did Paul COMMAMNAD Cornilious and his whold family and freinds to get baptzied after they were filled with the Holy Ghost?

Did they have faith? No. A sin is the action or non action that goes against moral law or divine command. Iniquity is the corruption or pattern that the sin emerges from. Iniquity is living in sin knowing it is wrong. Sin is aiming for the bullseye and missing. Iniquity is shooting the same way over and over knowing the way your shooting will always miss.

John 3:5? Still waiting.

Why don’t I believe Him? Did I say I don’t believe Him. I told you I know know what you believe because of why you told me. You continue to insist you know what I do or don’t believe even though I haven’t told you.

Have I received the Holy Spirit? Yes and it was long before I was baptized. And no I did not speak in tongues.


How was I baptized? In a horse trough in the besides someone’s house in the name of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Yes all 3 of the Trinity.

What do I think baptism is for? An outward sign and public confession of my faith in Yeshua my Lord and Savior

Yes I believe there is a hell.

I believe you’re talking about Peter in Acts 10. Again they had already received the Spirit. He commanded to be baptized as a sign of their new faith and allegiance to Christ An outward visible sign of their inner invisible belief to the community.

Holy Spirit, conviction, faith, repentance, forgiveness, baptism in that order.

 

[Musicmaster]

I think when many hear the gospel they hear “so all I have to do is believe in God and live right”. Then they think to themselves “I can do this”. That thought is the first error.

Yes. That is indeed an error on their part. Nobody can "do this," in the entire scope of salvation. With it being Christ alone, grace alone and faith alone, anything else beyond that is those things by which one builds his life in this world that will be tested by fire as to what quality it is.

I did that when I first heard. Didn’t take me long to realize “I can’t do this”. I hadn’t fully surrendered. I was still relying on myself. I was relying on my works to keep me saved. Not only was I prideful thinking my works were in someway good, I was also selfish in only doing those works to maintain my salvation. When I came to the realization that “I can’t” and “I’m not good enough”, I realized I was a weak prideful man that didn’t deserve life itself more less the blessings He had given me in that life.

Yes. That is true for us all.

It was time to fully surrender. Now I let His Spirit do the work. There’s no giving myself a attaboy or pat on the back anymore but rather a thank you Lord for working thru me. Thank you Lord for allowing me to experience Your Love. Now of course that pride pops its head back up sometimes and I attempt to take the reins and steer. But because of His love and His faithfulness, I always feel that tap on the shoulder and am reminded of how that worked out last time.

That's the beauty in our being indwelt by Holy Spirit AND having the imputation of His righteousness upon us, which makes us the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. It all redirects right back to Him, but self-righteous, false teachers out there say, "Yeah, we're saved by grace...but ya gotta live it!" How pathetic indeed, filled with self-pride and hatred toward the word of God.

It's not about being opposed to doing good works. We should indeed do them, yes. They are the means through which we store up treasures in Heaven, not supplementing our salvation because of some alleged weakness and insufficiency in the Blood of Christ as many Evangelicals vomit through that other gospel they preach and are thus accursed.

Is God the judge? Yes. But just as importantly He is our Father. I don’t put the judicial quality over the fatherly quality. That puts fear and obedience over love and belonging.

Good stuff, brother.

MM

 

[Just_A__Follower]

See. I was right.

You were right about what?

 

[Ouch]

Did they have faith? No. A sin is the action or non action that goes against moral law or divine command. Iniquity is the corruption or pattern that the sin emerges from. Iniquity is living in sin knowing it is wrong. Sin is aiming for the bullseye and missing. Iniquity is shooting the same way over and over knowing the way your shooting will always miss.

John 3:5? Still waiting.

Why don’t I believe Him? Did I say I don’t believe Him. I told you I know know what you believe because of why you told me. You continue to insist you know what I do or don’t believe even though I haven’t told you.

Have I received the Holy Spirit? Yes and it was long before I was baptized. And no I did not speak in tongues.


How was I baptized? In a horse trough in the besides someone’s house in the name of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Yes all 3 of the Trinity.

What do I think baptism is for? An outward sign and public confession of my faith in Yeshua my Lord and Savior

Yes I believe there is a hell.

I believe you’re talking about Peter in Acts 10. Again they had already received the Spirit. He commanded to be baptized as a sign of their new faith and allegiance to Christ An outward visible sign of their inner invisible belief to the community.

Holy Spirit, conviction, faith, repentance, forgiveness, baptism in that order.

Thank you,

So your saying since they sinned, they have no faith! They weren't missing anything else?

Ok so you do believe what JESUS says in John 3:5 but don't believe him since you think baptism is an outward sign!

If you haven't spoke in tongues how do you know JESUS filled you, Acts 2, 8, 10 and 19 how did they know they were or were not?

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

You believe in Hell is a good thing.

Acts 10, so a COMMANDMENT is now for public show!!! Where was the public?

1. Do you know the propose of baptism in water?

2. How did Philip know in Acts 8 that they did not receive the Holy Ghost?

Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

3. Show me where anyone was baptized in the name of the father the son and the Holy Ghost.

4. Show me where baptism it's a public confession to show the community.

5. Which public was watching the jailer get baptized in the middle of the night? Why didn't they get all of their friends and community together?

Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

YOU SAY, I'M PREACHING WHAT MY CHURCH PREACHES, and it's YOU who does that, am I wrong?

After you answer those 5 questions you can show your pastor and challenge him or her so they can show the rest of your congregation.

 

[PennEd]

Any chance we can get past how we get rid of our sins so we can move on to the next part of being reborn, receiveing the Holy Ghost?

The next part?

When we receive Jesus by believing in Him, His sacrificial death for our sins, and subsequent resurrection, we are saved (born again) and receive the Holy Spirit at that moment. Baptism is a confirmation, and obedience, to the above new creation. Baptism, although every Christian should do, is NOT a part of the essentials of salvation.

All the glory for That incredible gift by God is given to Jesus, not us performing something.

Are you trying to say there are those born again that DONT have the Spirit?


Romans 8:9

New King James Version

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[Musicmaster]

i'm not an evangelical but it's your absolute right to be separate from a group with which you do not agree.

And you can say you don't agree with me...
that does not equate to being dishonest.
I write what I believe Jesus taught.
This is not dishonesty.

That wasn't the intent in what I stated. Please don't ever assume I make this about me. I point only to the scriptures and the One who inspired them.

i would suppose some group had to kill Jesus.
Maybe it was the Gentiles. Do you hate the Gentiles?

Not at all. I'm a mixture of Israeli from my Irish background, American Indian and a little German. Now, let's look at who REALLY was behind the killing of Christ [with the bracketed comments being my own clarifiers]:

1 Corinthians 2:6-8
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world [demons], that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Paul clearly laid down the true indictment where it belongs, but many a preacher has wept crocodile tears behind their pathetic pulpits of false teaching, yammering about how those of their captive and foolish audience put Jesus on that cross, even though the guilt of sin is already a heavy enough weight upon us all; they love piling it on while burning the ignorant masses with the acid of their accusation. He died FOR us all, never having accused us of having put Him there. He even told Herod that no man could touch Him except that it be given to him from above.

Gentiles were without God and without Christ, outside the commonwealth of Israel and without hope. However, those who joined with Israel, became Jews, they had access to salvation through obedience to the Law...until the fall of Israel. In that fall, something else had to take place whereby Gentiles had a means unto salvation, so it is then written after the fall of Israel that salvation has come unto the Gentiles who were before then in the back pocket of Satan himself. We if Israel today are saved ONLY in the same way as Gentiles.

It was never the Law that saved, but faith demonstrated through the required attempts at keeping it. Now, however, it is only by grace through faith only in the death, burial and resurrection on the third day of Christ Jesus for us all, coupled with nothing else for salvation. Any other gospel than that is what makes one to be accursed among the brethren. Those who preach water baptism as some means to salvation, they are accursed because they reject Paul's gospel message to us all. Instead, they want to go back to the old ways and means that are no long valid nor in force. That's scripture, not MM.

MM....it's not God forgeiting the apostate...
It's the apostate that is forfeiting his faith...his God..
the very God that saved him.

You have too much hatred to be able to discuss with you....
but I'll just post this one passage:

I can see that you want to end this discussion by assuming something into my inner man what isn't there. Poisoning the well of discussion like this is indeed a manipulative dodge that adds no value whatsoever. Righteous anger against heresies and outright falsehoods isn't hatred of anyone.

Until you're ready to dispense with the ad hominem slight of hand dodges, it appears we're at an impasse.

MM

 

[Just_A__Follower]

Thank you,

So your saying since they sinned, they have no faith! They weren't missing anything else?

Ok so you do believe what JESUS says in John 3:5 but don't believe him since you think baptism is an outward sign!

If you haven't spoke in tongues how do you know JESUS filled you, Acts 2, 8, 10 and 19 how did they know they were or were not?

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

You believe in Hell is a good thing.

Acts 10, so a COMMANDMENT is now for public show!!! Where was the public?

1. Do you know the propose of baptism in water?

2. How did Philip know in Acts 8 that they did not receive the Holy Ghost?

Acts 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

3. Show me where anyone was baptized in the name of the father the son and the Holy Ghost.

4. Show me where baptism it's a public confession to show the community.

5. Which public was watching the jailer get baptized in the middle of the night? Why didn't they get all of their friends and community together?

Acts 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

YOU SAY, I'M PREACHING WHAT MY CHURCH PREACHES, and it's YOU who does that, am I wrong?

After you answer those 5 questions you can show your pastor and challenge him or her so they can show the rest of your congregation.

I said since they were workers of iniquity they had no faith. You should probably learn the difference. There is absolutely no use in answering any of your questions Because your mind is completely closed. I follow Jesus not Peter, not Paul, not Arroyo Seco, not John G Schaepe, and not Frank Ewart. You are simply on here to preach your oneness theology and claim that anyone that doesn’t speak in tongues doesn’t have the Spirit. I’ve sat in the pews and heard it from the Pentecostal Oneness “we are the only ones that hold the truth and anyone that believes in the trinity is headed to hell”. Is that what you believe ouch? That I am headed to hell because I believe in a triune God and I don’t speak in tongues? If so just admit it. Do you love me enough, as Jesus commanded, to straight up give me the truth?

 

[Wansvic]

I would be careful saying you did something to get rid of your own sins. I myself take zero credit for His work. Do you honestly think that you getting into some water takes your sins away as if Jesus being beat half to death and then hung on a cross while being mocked and left to bleed and suffocate to death just wasn’t enough? He still needs us to take a bath to get the rest of the sins off?

According to the Word, obedience to God's command of water baptism remits sin and is conditional upon belief in Jesus' sacrifice.

Faith takes God at His Word and does what He says must be done to accomplish what He says will be accomplished. Furthermore, God doesn't have to explain what He's doing or why He's doing it a certain way. He will always supply what is needed to get the job done. Our job is to believe and obey His commands.


Acts 2:38-41
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."

 

[Toknow]

You were right about what?

I said that those that hate the word MUST are also those that believe in OSAS.

You replied that you believe in OSAS.

 

[Musicmaster]

According to the Word, obedience to God's command of water baptism remits sin and is conditional upon belief in Jesus' sacrifice.

Faith takes God at His Word and does what He says must be done to accomplish what He says will be accomplished. Furthermore, God doesn't have to explain what He's doing or why He's doing it a certain way. He will always supply what is needed to get the job done. Our job is to believe and obey His commands.


Acts 2:38-41
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."

Let's see who is being addressed in this:

Acts 2:36-39
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

None of that applied to Gentiles because Gentiles were outside the commonwealth of Israel because of their being on the other side of the middle wall of partition, without God, without Christ and without hope in the world. So, no. Repentance coupled with water baptism for the remission of sins, that was for Israel, not Gentiles who were still outside the commonwealth of Israel after the cross but before the fall of Israel (and I'm not talking about 70 AD). Paul at no time ever commanded water baptism for the remission of sins as did the twelve to Israel.

MM

 

[HeIsHere]

Because they don't like objective declaration...

Nah, we just do not like it when people work to nullify the work of Christ Jesus.

And btw it is not objective it is your personal opinion and interpretation.