Salvation as a Journey Rooted in True Belief

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Salvation as a Journey Rooted in True Belief

Many people believe salvation is secured the moment a person says they believe. They often quote verses from the Gospel of John that speak about believing and eternal life, and from this they conclude that nothing else matters afterward. This approach treats belief as a moment instead of a life. When the words of Jesus are read in their full setting, a different picture appears. Jesus never taught belief as a bare statement of agreement. In Scripture, belief is living trust that receives Him, follows Him, remains with Him, and is proven over time. Salvation depends on this kind of belief.

What Jesus Means by “Believe”
A major source of confusion is the modern meaning of the word believe. Today it often means agreeing with a fact in the mind. In the Bible, believing means trusting, relying on, and giving oneself over to something. It involves loyalty and direction, not just thought.
Jesus Himself shows this clearly. He said,
“He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life.” (John 3:36, ASV)
This is one sentence spoken by the same voice, yet it contrasts belief with disobedience. That tells us what kind of belief Jesus is talking about. True belief moves a person toward obedience. A belief that refuses obedience is not the belief that leads to life.
Jesus also said,
“This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” (John 6:29, ASV)
Believing is not presented as a human claim but as something God works in a person. When God produces belief, it reshapes the will, the desires, and the direction of life. This is why belief in Scripture is never passive.

Believing Requires Remaining and Abiding
The Gospel of John itself makes clear that believing must continue. Jesus never spoke of belief as something that happens once and then becomes untouchable.
He said,
“If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”(John 8:31–32, ASV)
The condition is simple and strong. If you abide, then you are truly His disciple. Abiding means remaining, staying, and continuing. Freedom is promised only to those who remain in His word.
Jesus then gave the image of the vine and the branches to explain this reality:
“Abide in me, and I in you… If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered.” (John 15:4,6, ASV)
This picture only makes sense if remaining matters. A branch must already be connected in order to be removed. Jesus is warning His own followers that life depends on staying connected to Him.

Eternal Life Is Given, but It Must Be Kept
Jesus clearly taught that eternal life is given to the believer.
“He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life.” (John 5:24, ASV)
This is often quoted as if it ends the discussion. But Jesus never treated eternal life as permission to stop listening or following. Eternal life is a living gift that must be guarded.
Later He said,
“If a man keep my word, he shall never see death.” (John 8:51, ASV)
Here eternal life is tied to keeping His word. Hearing and believing bring life, but keeping His word shows that the life is real and continuing.

Jesus’ Warnings Only Make Sense if Continuance Matters
Jesus repeatedly warned His own listeners about failing to endure.
“He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13, ASV)
This statement would have no meaning if salvation were guaranteed at the first moment of belief. Endurance only matters if turning away is possible.
Jesus explained this in the parable of the sower. He spoke of people who receive the word with joy, believe for a time, and yet later fall away:
“They believe for a while; and in time of temptation fall away.” (Luke 8:13, ASV)
Temporary belief is not saving belief. What matters is belief that survives testing.

Doing the Will of God Reveals True Faith
Jesus was direct about the final judgment.
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21, ASV)
These people believed enough to speak religious words and even acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Yet they were rejected because their lives did not match their claim.
Jesus ended this teaching with the parable of the two builders. Both heard His words. One obeyed, one did not. Only the obedient one stood in the end (Matthew 7:24–27). Hearing without doing leads to collapse.

The Narrow Way Is a Life That Is Walked
Jesus described salvation as a path.
“Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, that leadeth unto life.” (Matthew 7:14, ASV)
A gate is an entry point, but the way is a road that must be walked. Entering does not replace walking. Salvation is found on the path that follows.

To conclude, Jesus never taught salvation as a sentence spoken once and never tested again. He taught salvation as believing that remains, faith that obeys, and trust that endures. The verses in John about believing do not cancel Jesus’ commands and warnings. They explain the depth and nature of the belief that saves.
Salvation begins with believing, but it is completed by continuing.
“Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life.” (Revelation 2:10, ASV)
 
Galatians 3:2-3.
Thank you for sharing that verse. The concern is not whether belief matters. Jesus clearly taught that belief is essential. The question is what kind of belief Jesus meant.

Even in the Gospel of John, Jesus never defined belief as a one-time act or a verbal claim. He defined it as something that abides, continues, and obeys. Jesus said, “If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples” (John 8:31). He also warned that a person can be “in” Him and yet be removed if they do not remain and bear fruit (John 15:1–6).

So when verses are used to say that belief cancels obedience or endurance, that meaning is being added later. Jesus Himself never taught that. He warned instead that not everyone who believes enough to call Him “Lord” will enter the kingdom, but only those who do the will of the Father (Matthew 7:21).

The issue is not faith versus works. The issue is living faith versus empty faith. Jesus’ own words show that true belief walks, follows, and endures. Any reading that removes those teachings is not coming from Jesus Himself.
 
Thank you for sharing that verse. The concern is not whether belief matters. Jesus clearly taught that belief is essential. The question is what kind of belief Jesus meant.

Even in the Gospel of John, Jesus never defined belief as a one-time act or a verbal claim. He defined it as something that abides, continues, and obeys. Jesus said, “If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples” (John 8:31). He also warned that a person can be “in” Him and yet be removed if they do not remain and bear fruit (John 15:1–6).

So when verses are used to say that belief cancels obedience or endurance, that meaning is being added later. Jesus Himself never taught that. He warned instead that not everyone who believes enough to call Him “Lord” will enter the kingdom, but only those who do the will of the Father (Matthew 7:21).

The issue is not faith versus works. The issue is living faith versus empty faith. Jesus’ own words show that true belief walks, follows, and endures. Any reading that removes those teachings is not coming from Jesus Himself.
You are attempting to reframe Paul’s point.

Try again.
 
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Many people believe salvation is secured the moment a person says they believe.
Most people don’t believe in Jesus at all upwards of 75%. Many that claim to follow Jesus do believe the way you stated. But it’s not that they are confused on what saves them. They are more confused on what the word “believe” means. As the Bible teaches believing is not just a simple believing something exists for the demons do that. If one’s life and desires are not changed then they should question not if they are saved but if they actually believe. And believe not simply that Jesus exists but rather believe in His work, His resurrection, and most importantly His love for us. There are many examples and very good definitions of true faith throughout the Bible. That faith is what secures your salvation.
 
Salvation as a Journey Rooted in True Belief

Many people believe salvation is secured the moment a person says they believe. They often quote verses from the Gospel of John that speak about believing and eternal life, and from this they conclude that nothing else matters afterward. This approach treats belief as a moment instead of a life. When the words of Jesus are read in their full setting, a different picture appears. Jesus never taught belief as a bare statement of agreement. In Scripture, belief is living trust that receives Him, follows Him, remains with Him, and is proven over time. Salvation depends on this kind of belief.

What Jesus Means by “Believe”
A major source of confusion is the modern meaning of the word believe. Today it often means agreeing with a fact in the mind. In the Bible, believing means trusting, relying on, and giving oneself over to something. It involves loyalty and direction, not just thought.
Jesus Himself shows this clearly. He said,
“He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life.” (John 3:36, ASV)
This is one sentence spoken by the same voice, yet it contrasts belief with disobedience. That tells us what kind of belief Jesus is talking about. True belief moves a person toward obedience. A belief that refuses obedience is not the belief that leads to life.
Jesus also said,
“This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” (John 6:29, ASV)
Believing is not presented as a human claim but as something God works in a person. When God produces belief, it reshapes the will, the desires, and the direction of life. This is why belief in Scripture is never passive.


Believing Requires Remaining and Abiding
The Gospel of John itself makes clear that believing must continue. Jesus never spoke of belief as something that happens once and then becomes untouchable.
He said,
“If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”(John 8:31–32, ASV)
The condition is simple and strong. If you abide, then you are truly His disciple. Abiding means remaining, staying, and continuing. Freedom is promised only to those who remain in His word.
Jesus then gave the image of the vine and the branches to explain this reality:
“Abide in me, and I in you… If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered.” (John 15:4,6, ASV)
This picture only makes sense if remaining matters. A branch must already be connected in order to be removed. Jesus is warning His own followers that life depends on staying connected to Him.


Eternal Life Is Given, but It Must Be Kept
Jesus clearly taught that eternal life is given to the believer.
“He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life.” (John 5:24, ASV)
This is often quoted as if it ends the discussion. But Jesus never treated eternal life as permission to stop listening or following. Eternal life is a living gift that must be guarded.
Later He said,
“If a man keep my word, he shall never see death.” (John 8:51, ASV)
Here eternal life is tied to keeping His word. Hearing and believing bring life, but keeping His word shows that the life is real and continuing.


Jesus’ Warnings Only Make Sense if Continuance Matters
Jesus repeatedly warned His own listeners about failing to endure.
“He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13, ASV)
This statement would have no meaning if salvation were guaranteed at the first moment of belief. Endurance only matters if turning away is possible.
Jesus explained this in the parable of the sower. He spoke of people who receive the word with joy, believe for a time, and yet later fall away:
“They believe for a while; and in time of temptation fall away.” (Luke 8:13, ASV)
Temporary belief is not saving belief. What matters is belief that survives testing.


Doing the Will of God Reveals True Faith
Jesus was direct about the final judgment.
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21, ASV)
These people believed enough to speak religious words and even acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Yet they were rejected because their lives did not match their claim.
Jesus ended this teaching with the parable of the two builders. Both heard His words. One obeyed, one did not. Only the obedient one stood in the end (Matthew 7:24–27). Hearing without doing leads to collapse.


The Narrow Way Is a Life That Is Walked
Jesus described salvation as a path.
“Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, that leadeth unto life.” (Matthew 7:14, ASV)
A gate is an entry point, but the way is a road that must be walked. Entering does not replace walking. Salvation is found on the path that follows.


To conclude, Jesus never taught salvation as a sentence spoken once and never tested again. He taught salvation as believing that remains, faith that obeys, and trust that endures. The verses in John about believing do not cancel Jesus’ commands and warnings. They explain the depth and nature of the belief that saves.
Salvation begins with believing, but it is completed by continuing.
“Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life.” (Revelation 2:10, ASV)
Correct me if I misunderstand, but are you saying salvation depends on what a person does, how he lives after he believes?
 
Salvation as a Journey Rooted in True Belief

Many people believe salvation is secured the moment a person says they believe. They often quote verses from the Gospel of John that speak about believing and eternal life, and from this they conclude that nothing else matters afterward. This approach treats belief as a moment instead of a life. When the words of Jesus are read in their full setting, a different picture appears. Jesus never taught belief as a bare statement of agreement. In Scripture, belief is living trust that receives Him, follows Him, remains with Him, and is proven over time. Salvation depends on this kind of belief.

What Jesus Means by “Believe”
A major source of confusion is the modern meaning of the word believe. Today it often means agreeing with a fact in the mind. In the Bible, believing means trusting, relying on, and giving oneself over to something. It involves loyalty and direction, not just thought.
Jesus Himself shows this clearly. He said,
“He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life.” (John 3:36, ASV)
This is one sentence spoken by the same voice, yet it contrasts belief with disobedience. That tells us what kind of belief Jesus is talking about. True belief moves a person toward obedience. A belief that refuses obedience is not the belief that leads to life.
Jesus also said,
“This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” (John 6:29, ASV)
Believing is not presented as a human claim but as something God works in a person. When God produces belief, it reshapes the will, the desires, and the direction of life. This is why belief in Scripture is never passive.


Believing Requires Remaining and Abiding
The Gospel of John itself makes clear that believing must continue. Jesus never spoke of belief as something that happens once and then becomes untouchable.
He said,
“If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”(John 8:31–32, ASV)
The condition is simple and strong. If you abide, then you are truly His disciple. Abiding means remaining, staying, and continuing. Freedom is promised only to those who remain in His word.
Jesus then gave the image of the vine and the branches to explain this reality:
“Abide in me, and I in you… If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered.” (John 15:4,6, ASV)
This picture only makes sense if remaining matters. A branch must already be connected in order to be removed. Jesus is warning His own followers that life depends on staying connected to Him.


Eternal Life Is Given, but It Must Be Kept
Jesus clearly taught that eternal life is given to the believer.
“He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life.” (John 5:24, ASV)
This is often quoted as if it ends the discussion. But Jesus never treated eternal life as permission to stop listening or following. Eternal life is a living gift that must be guarded.
Later He said,
“If a man keep my word, he shall never see death.” (John 8:51, ASV)
Here eternal life is tied to keeping His word. Hearing and believing bring life, but keeping His word shows that the life is real and continuing.


Jesus’ Warnings Only Make Sense if Continuance Matters
Jesus repeatedly warned His own listeners about failing to endure.
“He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13, ASV)
This statement would have no meaning if salvation were guaranteed at the first moment of belief. Endurance only matters if turning away is possible.
Jesus explained this in the parable of the sower. He spoke of people who receive the word with joy, believe for a time, and yet later fall away:
“They believe for a while; and in time of temptation fall away.” (Luke 8:13, ASV)
Temporary belief is not saving belief. What matters is belief that survives testing.


Doing the Will of God Reveals True Faith
Jesus was direct about the final judgment.
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21, ASV)
These people believed enough to speak religious words and even acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Yet they were rejected because their lives did not match their claim.
Jesus ended this teaching with the parable of the two builders. Both heard His words. One obeyed, one did not. Only the obedient one stood in the end (Matthew 7:24–27). Hearing without doing leads to collapse.


The Narrow Way Is a Life That Is Walked
Jesus described salvation as a path.
“Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, that leadeth unto life.” (Matthew 7:14, ASV)
A gate is an entry point, but the way is a road that must be walked. Entering does not replace walking. Salvation is found on the path that follows.


To conclude, Jesus never taught salvation as a sentence spoken once and never tested again. He taught salvation as believing that remains, faith that obeys, and trust that endures. The verses in John about believing do not cancel Jesus’ commands and warnings. They explain the depth and nature of the belief that saves.
Salvation begins with believing, but it is completed by continuing.
“Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life.” (Revelation 2:10, ASV)
Well said . It’s rare to see posts here that take a macro view of doctrine into account rather than a single verse and long winding declarations that disregard the rest

God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

But many refuse to believe it.
 
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Most people don’t believe in Jesus at all upwards of 75%. Many that claim to follow Jesus do believe the way you stated. But it’s not that they are confused on what saves them. They are more confused on what the word “believe” means. As the Bible teaches believing is not just a simple believing something exists for the demons do that. If one’s life and desires are not changed then they should question not if they are saved but if they actually believe. And believe not simply that Jesus exists but rather believe in His work, His resurrection, and most importantly His love for us. There are many examples and very good definitions of true faith throughout the Bible. That faith is what secures your salvation.


Most people just want to believe Jesus as their Savior. They don't want to believe Jesus as their Lord because that means they have to acknowledge His ownership and authority over their lives. They really don't want to obey Him.

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Acts 16:31 Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.

Philippians 2:11: “And every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

1 Corinthians 12:3: “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit.”

So to be actually saved, Jesus MUST be a believer's Lord and not just Savior. It's BOTH or not at all.


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Salvation isn't the journey. It begins the journey and is what makes it possible.

This is what happens when descriptive verses are made to be prescriptive verses.
 
Most people just want to believe Jesus as their Savior. They don't want to believe Jesus as their Lord because that means they have to acknowledge His ownership and authority over their lives. They really don't want to obey Him.

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Acts 16:31 Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.

Philippians 2:11: “And every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

1 Corinthians 12:3: “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit.”

So to be actually saved, Jesus MUST be a believer's Lord and not just Savior. It's BOTH or not at all.


🥳
Well said he’s everything the word claims he is not just a scapegoat or sin sacrifice but also The LORD

and how does he see that term Lord ? To us who believe and call him Lord he would say and still says to those willing to hear his call

““Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?


As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.



But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭NIV‬‬

To a believer this should really have an effect on how we see things when we come to the lord . If we follow where things like that would lead us we’re going to grow in faith and mature and become strong in him and be able to stand against the wiles of the devil like Paul explains. Extinguishing his darts and rejecting his temptations in the LORDs name. Walking in the light of the gospel having actually listened to and learned from the LORD and FINAL JUDGE of all humanity.

Faith is like when God came to Noah and told him the world was going to end in a flood , then he told Noah how to make the ark so that himself and family could be saved .

noah didn’t say “ I believe in you lord I’m safe I don’t need to build an ark like you have instructed me to do I have faith “

that’s what many try to do reject what he’s told us will save us and just say I believe Jesus died and rose therefore I’m already saved and cannot ever be judged by the LORD and his word .

It’s sort of like torpedoing our faith when we refuse to accept what he’s telling us would save us and then saying we believe in him . Noah believed in the lord therefore he trusted what he told him even though it wasnt apparent in any other way he believed Gods warning and followed Gods instruction and was saved by god giving th him grace ( gen 6:8) and through faith when God tells him about the flood to come and how to be saved from it and receive a new covenant with the lord after .tbrough v 22.

when hebrews is explaining true faith it’s one of the examples they use

By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. And so condemned the world by the God had spoken to him and became heir of the righteousness that is by faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:7‬ ‭NIV‬‬


we have to hear what Jesus says about our salvation and inheritance in the gospel and accept it and believe those things just as we believe he died and rose again and is At Gods right hand and by his spirit in our hearts present with us
 
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Well said he’s everything the word claims he is not just a scapegoat or sin sacrifice but also The LORD

and how does he see that term Lord ? To us who believe and call him Lord he would say and still says to those willing to hear his call

““Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?


As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.



But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭NIV‬‬

To a believer this should really have an effect on how we see things when we come to the lord . If we follow where things like that would lead us we’re going to grow in faith and mature and become strong in him and be able to stand against the wiles of the devil like Paul explains. Extinguishing his darts and rejecting his temptations in the LORDs name. Walking in the light of the gospel having actually listened to and learned from the LORD and FINAL JUDGE of all humanity.

Faith is like when God came to Noah and told him the world was going to end in a flood , then he told Noah how to make the ark so that himself and family could be saved .

noah didn’t say “ I believe in you lord I’m safe I don’t need to build an ark like you have instructed me to do I have faith “

that’s what many try to do reject what he’s told us will save us and just say I believe Jesus died and rose therefore I’m already saved and cannot ever be judged by the LORD and his word .

It’s sort of like torpedoing our faith when we refuse to accept what he’s telling us would save us and then saying we believe in him . Noah believed in the lord therefore he trusted what he told him even though it wasnt apparent in any other way he believed Gods warning and followed Gods instruction and was saved by god giving th him grace ( gen 6:8) and through faith when God tells him about the flood to come and how to be saved from it and receive a new covenant with the lord after .tbrough v 22.

when hebrews is explaining true faith it’s one of the examples they use

By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. And so condemned the world by the God had spoken to him and became heir of the righteousness that is by faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:7‬ ‭NIV‬‬


we have to hear what Jesus says about our salvation and inheritance in the gospel and accept it and believe those things just as we believe he died and rose again and is At Gods right hand and by his spirit in our hearts present with us
* “By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. And so condemned the world by the word God had spoken to him and became heir of the righteousness that is by faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:7‬ ‭NIV‬‬
 
in what way did I reframe? What about Jesus said about it.
I was being subtle. You completely sidestepped Paul's words and didn't even begin to address them.

Thank you for sharing that verse. The concern is not whether belief matters.
Jesus clearly taught that belief is essential. The question is what kind of belief Jesus meant.
The subject I raised is not "what kind of belief Jesus meant"... at all. It's what Paul said to the Galatians, who were adding obedience (to selected old covenant statutes) to their faith. Paul clearly called that the wrong response.

Even in the Gospel of John, Jesus never defined belief as a one-time act or a verbal claim. He defined it as something that abides, continues, and obeys. Jesus said, “If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples” (John 8:31). He also warned that a person can be “in” Him and yet be removed if they do not remain and bear fruit (John 15:1–6).

So when verses are used to say that belief cancels obedience or endurance, that meaning is being added later. Jesus Himself never taught that. He warned instead that not everyone who believes enough to call Him “Lord” will enter the kingdom, but only those who do the will of the Father (Matthew 7:21).
You have tried to dismiss Paul's words entirely by misrepresenting them. Nobody is saying that belief cancels obedience or endurance. Paul didn't say that either.

Paul did say that outward physical obedience to the Law was an inappropriate addition to faith.

The issue is not faith versus works. The issue is living faith versus empty faith. Jesus’ own words show that true belief walks, follows, and endures. Any reading that removes those teachings is not coming from Jesus Himself.
Who said it was "faith versus works"? Paul didn't say that. I didn't say that.
 
Salvation as a Journey Rooted in True Belief

Many people believe salvation is secured the moment a person says they believe. They often quote verses from the Gospel of John that speak about believing and eternal life, and from this they conclude that nothing else matters afterward. This approach treats belief as a moment instead of a life. When the words of Jesus are read in their full setting, a different picture appears. Jesus never taught belief as a bare statement of agreement. In Scripture, belief is living trust that receives Him, follows Him, remains with Him, and is proven over time. Salvation depends on this kind of belief.

What Jesus Means by “Believe”
A major source of confusion is the modern meaning of the word believe. Today it often means agreeing with a fact in the mind. In the Bible, believing means trusting, relying on, and giving oneself over to something. It involves loyalty and direction, not just thought.
Jesus Himself shows this clearly. He said,
“He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life.” (John 3:36, ASV)
This is one sentence spoken by the same voice, yet it contrasts belief with disobedience. That tells us what kind of belief Jesus is talking about. True belief moves a person toward obedience. A belief that refuses obedience is not the belief that leads to life.
Jesus also said,
“This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” (John 6:29, ASV)
Believing is not presented as a human claim but as something God works in a person. When God produces belief, it reshapes the will, the desires, and the direction of life. This is why belief in Scripture is never passive.


Believing Requires Remaining and Abiding
The Gospel of John itself makes clear that believing must continue. Jesus never spoke of belief as something that happens once and then becomes untouchable.
He said,
“If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”(John 8:31–32, ASV)
The condition is simple and strong. If you abide, then you are truly His disciple. Abiding means remaining, staying, and continuing. Freedom is promised only to those who remain in His word.
Jesus then gave the image of the vine and the branches to explain this reality:
“Abide in me, and I in you… If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered.” (John 15:4,6, ASV)
This picture only makes sense if remaining matters. A branch must already be connected in order to be removed. Jesus is warning His own followers that life depends on staying connected to Him.


Eternal Life Is Given, but It Must Be Kept
Jesus clearly taught that eternal life is given to the believer.
“He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life.” (John 5:24, ASV)
This is often quoted as if it ends the discussion. But Jesus never treated eternal life as permission to stop listening or following. Eternal life is a living gift that must be guarded.
Later He said,
“If a man keep my word, he shall never see death.” (John 8:51, ASV)
Here eternal life is tied to keeping His word. Hearing and believing bring life, but keeping His word shows that the life is real and continuing.


Jesus’ Warnings Only Make Sense if Continuance Matters
Jesus repeatedly warned His own listeners about failing to endure.
“He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13, ASV)
This statement would have no meaning if salvation were guaranteed at the first moment of belief. Endurance only matters if turning away is possible.
Jesus explained this in the parable of the sower. He spoke of people who receive the word with joy, believe for a time, and yet later fall away:
“They believe for a while; and in time of temptation fall away.” (Luke 8:13, ASV)
Temporary belief is not saving belief. What matters is belief that survives testing.


Doing the Will of God Reveals True Faith
Jesus was direct about the final judgment.
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21, ASV)
These people believed enough to speak religious words and even acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Yet they were rejected because their lives did not match their claim.
Jesus ended this teaching with the parable of the two builders. Both heard His words. One obeyed, one did not. Only the obedient one stood in the end (Matthew 7:24–27). Hearing without doing leads to collapse.


The Narrow Way Is a Life That Is Walked
Jesus described salvation as a path.
“Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, that leadeth unto life.” (Matthew 7:14, ASV)
A gate is an entry point, but the way is a road that must be walked. Entering does not replace walking. Salvation is found on the path that follows.


To conclude, Jesus never taught salvation as a sentence spoken once and never tested again. He taught salvation as believing that remains, faith that obeys, and trust that endures. The verses in John about believing do not cancel Jesus’ commands and warnings. They explain the depth and nature of the belief that saves.
Salvation begins with believing, but it is completed by continuing.
“Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life.” (Revelation 2:10, ASV)

Therefore are these three verses with the Chapter of Colosians true

New International Version
Col 1:21

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[a] your evil behavior.

New International Version

Col 1:22-23

22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.
This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven,and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

True or false is that done by Son for us all to beleive and stand in? And then grow unto maturity from God being for us Phil 1:6, hebrews 5:12-6:3, Hebrews 4:9-13
 
Most people just want to believe Jesus as their Savior. They don't want to believe Jesus as their Lord because that means they have to acknowledge His ownership and authority over their lives. They really don't want to obey Him.

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Acts 16:31 Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.

Philippians 2:11: “And every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

1 Corinthians 12:3: “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit.”

So to be actually saved, Jesus MUST be a believer's Lord and not just Savior. It's BOTH or not at all.


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I'm in, thank you Brother in risen Son unto Father to lead in the Holy Spirit, I'm still in process too, thank you
I see to not deny God as in the book of Job, deeper in the risen Jesus
 
in what way did I reframe? What about Jesus said about it.

yes this is what scripture clearly says. faith must be active or it is dead.
So you believe in works for salvation.
Sorry fellow, but you cannot earn salvation.
It is a gift of God given to all who by faith believe in Jesus who paid your sin debt on the cross.
Good works are a sign to others that you are saved, not the process of earning God's forgiveness.
 
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