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Yea there is zero scripture that supports that. The law requires leaven to be removed(aka bread) not fermented liquids.
Nice! My brother has done some cucumber fermenting during peak harvest here at the farm. Our fridge was packed with jars for a while lol. It only takes a few vines to give you way more cukes than you'd want to eat.
My sister has made kombucha too. I looked into the non-alcoholic version like you suggested.There's definitely ways to limit the alcohol but it looks like they're just aiming for low levels. Less than half a percent is legally considered non-alcoholic, so I guess that's why I never get carded for buying it, I had wondered about that.
I've looked into ancient heat-preserving methods and haven't come up with much of anything until the late 1800s, when heat-resistant glass was invented and pasteurization was "officially" discovered. I am genuinely curious if you or anyone else here knows of any actual attempts (ancient or modern) to heat-preserve grape juice using the materials available during Jesus' time?
I'm not being argumentative, I am truly curious... I have heard some insist it was possible, and maybe it was... but nobody has ever proven it, and the method was never described in the Bible (unlike fermentation, which was mentioned often and Jesus even used it in parables relating to the Holy Spirit).
I am also curious why this incredibly valuable knowledge of food preservation (very important and commercially viable topic!) would have been lost between Jesus' time and the 1800s
Again, not trying to argue, just curious what you can share
You've got a good question. I hope I was able to answer it.
I should have checked the link before I posted that last one.
Here's an article on an ancient BC Wine Cellar<
The Speyer was an unopened Glass bottle from 300 AD.
There's another that's older than that discovered but sorry I lost the video I want to share with you. I went to post it from my clipboard and it was the dancing dog instead.
Please site Scripture where you found this, otherwise we will know that you added to His word.
The Law was to get rid of all leaven in the house. They did drink fermented wine!
It maybe those things you had mentioned? I also know of many brethren who were told it’s a sin to drink, due to this 200 yr old prohibition that became law in the church. I grew up with false prohibition/ teaching.
This is NOT what the bible teaches!
This is why I’m so passionate about this subject. It’s not because I drink all the time, I don’t, but I’m simply calling out what many brethren believe, is wrong.
No telling. And since it seems impossible to have a civil conversation with him I guess we’ll never know. I’ve definitely known those that believe it’s a sin to drink and have also known those that believe they can drink til they’re trashed.
Alcohol was the drug of choice in previous generations but now cocaine and meth are commonly being detected.
The number of drivers testing positive for illicit drugs has, in some recent police operations, exceeded those
caught for alcohol. Drug driving is now a leading factor in fatal crashes, with 2025 data showing over 27,000 drivers
testing positive—a 20% increase from the previous year.
Yeah, start studying fillers and preservatives in ALL of our food....and everyone is overweight and poisoning themselves with every bite....But that's ok. 400 LBS, but they judge everything other than their fat butt.
Yeah, start studying gossip and judging.........I will have a beer in hand while you do.
Addiction is a disease.
Addiction is widely recognized as a disease due to its complex interplay of biological, psychological, and social factors that affect brain function and behavior.
Understanding Addiction as a Disease
- Medical Definition: Addiction, often referred to as a substance use disorder (SUD), is classified as a chronic disease that involves compulsive substance use despite harmful consequences. It alters brain areas responsible for reward, motivation, learning, judgment, and memory.
1 - Biological Factors: Research indicates that addiction is influenced by genetic, environmental, and behavioral factors. Genetic predisposition can account for about half of an individual's risk of developing an addiction, similar to other chronic diseases like diabetes and heart disease.
1 - Brain Changes: Addiction leads to significant changes in brain chemistry and structure. These changes can persist long after substance use has stopped, making it difficult for individuals to control their behavior and increasing the likelihood of relapse.
2 - Chronic Nature: Like other chronic diseases, addiction is characterized by cycles of recovery and relapse. It requires ongoing management and treatment, which may include therapy, medication, and support groups.
2 - Stigma and Treatment: Viewing addiction as a disease helps reduce stigma and encourages individuals to seek treatment. It emphasizes that addiction is not merely a failure of willpower or a moral failing, but a complex condition that can be treated effectively.
That is deflecting
We are a kingdom of Kings, a royal Priesthood. Kings are counseled to not partake of strong drink. The priest were not to partake of any alcohol before entering the outer court yard to the Temple. Now we are the Temple and the Spirit of God resides in us. Our lives are to be a testimony of God and His glory. What good would we be in this age of impairment if we ourselves are.
Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
1Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
I don’t agree but let’s look at that logic. Ok then by that logic of addiction being a disease, alcoholism is no different than cancer or diabetes. Would God punish one that simply has a disease? That logic seem to give drunkards an excuse to just drink away. I guess it also gives meth addicts, porn addicts, and whatever other addicts an excuse. Sounds more like a worldly excuse to a spiritual problem.
Well, they can’t seem to distinguish between drinking and drunkenness. I wish all were more open to understanding on what He said, instead of hanging on to man-made traditions.
Correlations
Drinking is synonymous to eating
And
Drunkenness is synonymous to gluttony
-God talked about the Rechabites in Jeremiah 35. They refused to listen to God about drinking wine, because they wanted to obey their dad rather than God.
This sounds like many Christians today. They would rather obey man-made traditions rather than accept God’s word!!
I'm sure God is working on him but I worry if he's listening.... not seeing much fruit of the Spirit coming from him, yet he's trying to teach.... God said to look put for those.
As a side note, I'm really glad that you and others like @tourist and @Just_A__Follower are taking your sobriety seriously. I applaud your abstinence and I think it is very wise!
Perhaps @HigherGospel has had the same issues with overindulgence, in which case I'm glad he abstains. But he can't seem to fathom that some of us can drink a few ounces of wine with dinner and have no desire for more
The best I can ever do is:
Stand out of the way, be available and not be anyone better than anyone else, is what Father teaches me in risen Son for me. I went through 14 plus years of drinking and partying. And used drugs as well along that way. I had the attitude eat, drink, be merry, for tomorrow I might die. I did not see until 27 years old, why I was such a drunk, a happy go lucky drunk.
I did not care what others thought of me. I was just drinking and doing marijuana, not harming anyone else. that was my attitude.
I still do not care what others think of me, yet I do care what God thinks.
When God revealed to me from within me why I was a drunk, I stopped drinking and drugging. I saw the ignorance I was put in, and saw the ignorance of doing that too much.
God said to me from within me, I heard that small voice say. Do you know why you are drinking too much and doing drugs?
I replied no, I just do it and am happy doing it.
God, I heard tell me it is because ever since your sister sue died on an overdose, and you saw her in that casket at the funeral, you ran out and would not accept she died in the flesh and blood. You ran away from your home town, seeking your sister, thinking she was still out in the world somewhere, alive, she faked her death, she is dead to flesh and blood
I in Awe saw, and accepted my sister sue's death. Stopped drinking and druggying over 42 years now. ever since, I am 69 years now.
Now that was the first death in my family.
My sister, then my Dad three years later, then my oldest brother John 4 years later . It started at my age 14, then 17 when Dad passed, and then 21 when my brother John passed
Sue was as waste of life I thought, not anymore. My Dad young, at 63, who could not handle his daughter's death, passed. Then my Brother John was found dead on Campus Crusade for Christ. Dead, Hikers found him
They did Autopsies and found no physical cause of death. That is put on his death certificate. I was 21 he was 31. He was an avid believer in the risen Jesus Christ. He was a volunteer for Campus Crusade for Christ.
Hid last words to my older sister, still alive were
"God just Loves me" and then found passed away. I have employed that saying on me from God to me. God loves us alll, just as we are. It is up to us to turn to God in belief to God can and will clean us up
I am a work in progress still. And God has cleaned Me up, with me being a willing one to listen, to one problem at a time, being, been cleansed by God through risen Son alone. See it and have moved forward to the next problem one at a time. Not all at once, all at once creates confusion and misdirections and anger and depression, with bad habits in anyone's way
Focus on one thing at a time, get tha tour of the way by God for you and take on the next one on your back burner.
God remains good all the time as good is God all the time
FINISHED WORK OF FATHER AND SON
- The Blood of Christ: It is the active agent for removing the burden of sin from the conscience.
- Cleansing from "Dead Works": The focus is on moving from guilt-driven religious acts to serving God with a free heart.
- The New Covenant: Christ’s sacrifice as Mediator provides a once-for-all cleansing, freeing believers from a continuous, guilty conscience.
- God not only forgives sin but he forgets sin and he cleanses the guilty conscience.
- Therefore will we trust God to do this?
- To have a a cleansed conscience is such a blessing because it allows us then to have fellowship with God to to come into the presence of God. Psalm 100:4
- Believe to see Psalm 103:12
- God fulfills all promise, God loves everyone otherwise that cross would have never taken place
You’re right, we are. However, a little wine with your meals and drunkenness are 2 different things. We have Jesus and the apostles as our example. All the verses on drinking is a warning about drunkenness. Overindulgence of eating is sinful too!
Eating foods and drinking are one and the same.
The kingdom of heaven is NOT about food or drink…..
Continue go ahead, I can take by God's grace for you, me and all the peoples.
God just loves you, me and everyone else too, whether or not another one sees or not
I am in trust to God for you to see through this problem of drinking you are in and hate, along with all the others things that accompany drinking too much, been there as you know I have stated. You probably will deny it as if I am accusing you, I am not, God cares for us all and wants the best for us all. This takes to decide to trust God to do waht no other can do, tha tis done by Son for us all to be new and see new in love and mercy too. ?Thank you love you
Do you see this going on in you! Is it helping you trying to get past it? Matthew 6, Jesus asked a ? "Will worry add a single moment to your present life"? I looked at my own and replied it has never helped me, it has only caused more worry and more failures in worrying over it. Now standing in trusting Father will reveal this to you too, not that I got it, I do not, God does through Son for us all, to stand in belief and begin to see new daily in thanksgiving and praise over it. Love and mercy to us all John 13:34
- Cleansing from "Dead Works": The focus is on moving from guilt-driven religious acts to serving God with a free heart.
- The New Covenant: Christ’s sacrifice as Mediator provides a once-for-all cleansing, freeing believers from a continuous, guilty conscience.
- God not only forgives sin but he forgets sin and he cleanses the guilty conscience, by trusting God has done it all for you too
- Col 1:21-23
I’m very happy you stopped being drunk. Well done, with God’s help! By all means, those who have problems with food and drink should be even more careful!!
This is not the vast majority, though.
We each have to take care of our own vessel, and to NOT Lord it over everyone else.
That verse has nothing to do with the allowance that God gives to us as a whole. The verses about drunkenness and being sober is just that (I.e. don’t get drunk). You can read about this throughout the Bible, it never changes!
As a lot of our overseas brethren say, Americans don’t know how to read. In part, they’re right. We want to follow men’s traditions more than listening to God. So maybe that verse does apply here??
Blessings!
Don’t forget the diet sodas, and diet foods…all causes of concern!!
Do you know that beer and wine are considered more healthy than all soft drinks. It’s not only the chemicals that they put into those toxic substances, but it’s also the aluminum cans that they use!! It damages the brain, among other things.
You couldn’t pay me to drink that stuff, or eat those kinds of foods.
We will drink the absolute best wine ever made when we are with Him in the eternal state.And we wonder why so many are driven away from the love of Christ by doctrines of religion and self-righteousness?
blessings
Stick with your wine and beer. Good to get people to stop that nonsense.
But, from experience the very folks that "help" are in a more dire situation than the ones they are trying to