Two Tests of Job

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Job had two tests. In the reading of the first and second chapters of Job we are caught up with the anguish and torment of Job, and in the process we are blinded to the actual results of the two tests.

The first thing that should come to your observation is the process of the presentation of these two tests. They are virtually word for word in the presentation between the first test and the second test. What would one obvious reason be for the two presentations being almost identical? One obvious reason would be that we might take note of that, which is different between the two tests.


PRSENTATION OF THE TWO TESTS
First Test Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Second Test Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them, to present himself before the Lord.

In the first test Satan appears to have been a casual observer, while in the second test you might assume Satan was commanded to be there.

First Test Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Second Test Job 2:2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

First Test Job 1:8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Second Test Job 2:3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? And still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

The difference is the first test has already taken place, and Job has passed. Two other things should be noted here. 1. That God did the moving, or is responsible for Job’s tribulation. 2. That Satan’s cause was unjust, Job passed. It does not mention God’s cause for allowing the test.

First Test Job 1:9-10 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house and about all that he hath on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hand, and his substance is increased in the land.

Second Test Job 2:4 And Satan answered the Lord, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.

The difference is that the first test has taken place. The new test does not involve possessions, but Job himself.

First Test Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Second Test Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

The difference here is that Satan gives his new reason why Job will fail.

First Test Job 1:12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

Second Test Job 2:6-7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thy hand; but save his life. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord,--.

God’s presentation of the two tests is unique in that every word that could be duplicated was, from one test compared to the other test. It is the results of the two tests that will be presented next, and the obvious differences stand out.


RESULTS OF THE TWO TESTS​

First Test Job 1:20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped, and said, Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.

Second Test Job 2:8 And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes. (Notice that Job does not bless God. This was what Satan had said, that Job would "not bless" [lo-barak] God to his face.)


After the second test Job sat down and said nothing. The worshipping and blessing of God is missing. When Job finally said something it was in reply to his wife’s question, in which Job replied with a question, “shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?

We no longer hear God praising Job, saying Job is perfect and upright and retaining his integrity.

First Test Job 1:22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. (Job is exonerated.)

Second Test Job 2:10 ---In all this did not Job sin with his lips. (In this second test Job has not sinned with his lips, but what about his heart. Remember when Job was speaking of his sons, and said, they may have cursed God in their hearts. What about Job's heart?
 
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Job had two tests. In the reading of the first and second chapters of Job we are caught up with the anguish and torment of Job, and in the process we are blinded to the actual results of the two tests.

The first thing that should come to your observation is the process of the presentation of these two tests. They are virtually word for word in the presentation between the first test and the second test. What would one obvious reason be for the two presentations being almost identical? One obvious reason would be that we might take note of that, which is different between the two tests.


PRSENTATION OF THE TWO TESTS
First Test Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Second Test Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them, to present himself before the Lord.

In the first test Satan appears to have been a casual observer, while in the second test you might assume Satan was commanded to be there.

First Test Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Second Test Job 2:2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

First Test Job 1:8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Second Test Job 2:3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? And still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

The difference is the first test has already taken place, and Job has passed. Two other things should be noted here. 1. That God did the moving, or is responsible for Job’s tribulation. 2. That Satan’s cause was unjust, Job passed. It does not mention God’s cause for allowing the test.

First Test Job 1:9-10 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house and about all that he hath on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hand, and his substance is increased in the land.

Second Test Job 2:4 And Satan answered the Lord, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.

The difference is that the first test has taken place. The new test does not involve possessions, but Job himself.

First Test Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Second Test Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

The difference here is that Satan gives his new reason why Job will fail.

First Test Job 1:12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

Second Test Job 2:6-7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thy hand; but save his life. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord,--.

God’s presentation of the two tests is unique in that every word that could be duplicated was, from one test compared to the other test. It is the results of the two tests that will be presented next, and the obvious differences stand out.


RESULTS OF THE TWO TESTS​

First Test Job 1:20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped, and said, Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.

Second Test Job 2:8 And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes. (Notice that Job does not bless God. This was what Satan had said, that Job would "not bless" [lo-barak] God to his face.)


After the second test Job sat down and said nothing. The worshipping and blessing of God is missing. When Job finally said something it was in reply to his wife’s question, in which Job replied with a question, “shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?

We no longer hear God praising Job, saying Job is perfect and upright and retaining his integrity.

First Test Job 1:22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly. (Job is exonerated.)

Second Test Job 2:10 ---In all this did not Job sin with his lips. (In this second test Job has not sinned with his lips, but what about his heart. Remember when Job was speaking of his sons, and said, they may have cursed God in their hearts. What about Job's heart?
Job abhorred himself and repented in dust and ashes (Job 42:6), for some reason.
 
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I've a mind to assert that Job 42:6 demonstrates the reasoning in why God had touted Job an upright man and blameless man in the first place.

You have not responded to the two tests.


Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
Job 27:6 My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live.

It looks like Job's heart did reproach him.

Job did not know how to be right with God.
Job did not know who God was, or where God was.
Job said God would laugh at the trial of the innocent.
Job said he wanted to be free from his master.

In all this Job was condemning God's righteousness so that he, Job, might be righteous.

God said, Job 40:8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?
 
You have not responded to the two tests.


Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
Job 27:6 My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live.

It looks like Job's heart did reproach him.

Job did not know how to be right with God.
Job did not know who God was, or where God was.
Job said God would laugh at the trial of the innocent.
Job said he wanted to be free from his master.

In all this Job was condemning God's righteousness so that he, Job, might be righteous.

God said, Job 40:8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

It seems to me the two tests are reflective of the two covenants in concern to righteousness.
 
It seems to me the two tests are reflective of the two covenants in concern to righteousness.

How are two covenants reflective of the two tests of Job?

The one covenant is spiritual and the other physical whereas the two tests are both physical. The one test involved Job's possessions and the other his body.
 
How are two covenants reflective of the two tests of Job?

The one covenant is spiritual and the other physical whereas the two tests are both physical. The one test involved Job's possessions and the other his body.

Going by your overview, he passed the first test easily enough and, as you observed, things external to him were tested. But in the case of his person being tested, he didn't fare as well in upholding his integrity. You might even consider that he failed, that is until he repented, which resulted in the amount of his restoration in double portions. So, it seems to me to be reflective of the two covenants, even without thinking too deeply about it.
 
Going by your overview, he passed the first test easily enough and, as you observed, things external to him were tested. But in the case of his person being tested, he didn't fare as well in upholding his integrity. You might even consider that he failed, that is until he repented, which resulted in the amount of his restoration in double portions. So, it seems to me to be reflective of the two covenants, even without thinking too deeply about it.

I see Job as a really moral guy who is on his way to hell because he is proud of his morality and does not understand that no matter how moral he is he is still lost without God's righteousness. God cares for the guy and wants to turn him around. God has tried to make him see the light by giving him visions in the night, but that hasn't worked.

(God scares Job with dreams and visions.)​

Job 7:14 Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:

(Elihu explains to Job why the dreams and visions.​

Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
Job 33:16Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
Job 33:17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.
Job 33:18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.

(Then, since the dreams and visions do not work, God uses extreme measures through Satan to keep Job from the pit.)​

I am not sure of the exact covenants that you are referring to, or how they apply to Job.
 
I see Job as a really moral guy who is on his way to hell because he is proud of his morality and does not understand that no matter how moral he is he is still lost without God's righteousness. God cares for the guy and wants to turn him around. God has tried to make him see the light by giving him visions in the night, but that hasn't worked.

(God scares Job with dreams and visions.)​

Job 7:14 Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:

(Elihu explains to Job why the dreams and visions.​

Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
Job 33:16Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
Job 33:17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.
Job 33:18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.

(Then, since the dreams and visions do not work, God uses extreme measures through Satan to keep Job from the pit.)​

I am not sure of the exact covenants that you are referring to, or how they apply to Job.

The old covenant, you do right and you're good, but then Jesus breaks the curve and just doing good doesn't get you by anymore, and you have to 'be' good. But this is only a cursory thought on it, really. I can see you've been looking into the job for quite some time now.
 
The old covenant, you do right and you're good, but then Jesus breaks the curve and just doing good doesn't get you by anymore, and you have to 'be' good. But this is only a cursory thought on it, really. I can see you've been looking into the job for quite some time now.

Every single word in the bible has a purpose and a meaning we often miss. The words standing by themselves often draw a blank in our thoughts, but when examined in light of other scripture they often paint an exquisite picture.

Take the word potsherd for instance. We see Job sitting down and scraping himself with a potsherd and what picture comes into our mind? The first thought is look at that poor guy with all those sores having to scrape himself with whatever is laying around. But when we look into that single word there is so much more to be found.

If we accept the general narrative that Job sits on a pedestal and his integrity is the Holy Grail and can't be questioned, then you are going to miss the deeper meaning here.

A potsherd is a piece of a vessel of clay that has been broken. The bible portrays the vessel of clay as mankind.

Job 33:6 Behold, I am according to thy wish in God's stead: I also am formed out of the clay.

Next we go to Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. (This is what God was doing to Job, reshaping him.)

Then there is the law. Lev 6:28 But the earthen vessel wherein it is sodden shall be broken: and if it be sodden in a brasen pot, it shall be both scoured, and rinsed in water. (If the sin offering is cooked in an earthen vessel the vessel must be broken. If the vessel is made of brass or wood it only needs to be washed. The Hebrew word translated earthen is most often translated potsherd.

Then there is Pro 26:23 "Burning lips and a wicked heart are like a potsherd covered with silver dross."

And Isa 45:9 "Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?"

The word striveth in Isaiah 45:9 is the same Hebrew word that is translated contendeth in Job 40:2 "Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it."

Remember that after the first test, Job 1:22 "In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly." This statement is not found after the second test.

Isa 45:10 "Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth"?

Job 3:3 Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived.

What we have is Job, a vessel of clay, sodden with sin and broken. Then Job, the potsherd, strives with three other potsherds from chapters four through thirty one.
 
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Aye, now I can see, exactly, how you came to this conclusion. TY!

I see Job as a really moral guy who is on his way to hell because he is proud of his morality and does not understand that no matter how moral he is he is still lost without God's righteousness. God cares for the guy and wants to turn him around. God has tried to make him see the light by giving him visions in the night, but that hasn't worked.

(God scares Job with dreams and visions.)​
Job 7:14 Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:

(Elihu explains to Job why the dreams and visions.​
Job 33:14 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not.
Job 33:15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed;
Job 33:16Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
Job 33:17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.
Job 33:18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.

(Then, since the dreams and visions do not work, God uses extreme measures through Satan to keep Job from the pit.)​