Sure looks that way.
How a clever man like Calvin misunderstood Romans baffles me.
Calvin was not the only person in history that failed the test.
The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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Sure looks that way.
How a clever man like Calvin misunderstood Romans baffles me.
Calvin was not the only person in history that failed the test.
I have done a deep study on this chapter, I will post a little later when I have more time.
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Sin is(not was) the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Bearing that verse in mind:
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in His sight by observing the law/not committing sin, rather through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
For sin shall no longer be your master, for you are not under law/righteousness of obeying the law/righteousness of not committing sin, but under grace/righteousness of faith in Christ Rom6:14
In other words, know you have no righteousness of not committing sin and sin shall not be your master
I was trying to remember the synonym for affection that I'd recently learned but had slipped my mind, and this realization brought it all back
facade! 
Your 100% correct but the crucial point in the letter to the Romans.
Is that Paul is reaching out and explaining in detail why his brethren failed to achieve the
divine righteousness of Christ. They stumbled over the Christ.
That's why Paul mentions the law 52 times in Romans.
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Yes, and when he keeps stating you cannot be righteous by obeying the law, this is mainly because of the TC, though it came as one whole law
You bet, he keeps repeating this point about righteousness.
Yet in chapter seven Paul name the 10th commandment as the commandment that
killed him.
Romans 7:24-25
Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Thanks be to God
through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the
law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
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Absolutely, because it relates to what goes on, on the inside of man, thoughts/desires. You need commit no outward act to transgress that commandment. I wonder how many today, who insist you must obey that law, understand what is entailed in obeying the tenth commandment.
BTW
I love Romans but I never knew how many times the word law was written in it. Did you count them up or read it in a commentary?
Jesus Himself answers this question. Love is not just a feeling. Love is shown by how we treat others. Jesus said, “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them; for this is the law and the prophets” (Matthew 7:12, ASV). He also said, “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise” (Luke 6:31, ASV).
You do not want your neighbor to steal from you. You want your home, your work, and what belongs to you to be respected. When you choose not to steal, you are doing exactly what Jesus taught. You are treating your neighbor the way you want to be treated. That is love in action.
Jesus summed it up when He said, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God… and thy neighbor as thyself” (Matthew 22:37–39, ASV). Loving your neighbor as yourself means you protect them the way you protect yourself. You do not harm them or take from them. So not stealing is not just a rule. It is love lived out.
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BTW
Rom7:14-24 is contentious, many believe Saul the Pharisee is being written about and many Paul the Christian. I believe Saul the Pharisee, based on what Paul wrote in ch6
It is way, way more than not stealing from your neighbor.
As a Christian you love and are generous to all and the Holy Spirit impresses this upon you.
You can give your neighbor the words of eternal life and that is far beyond any law, that would be the
kindest thing you could ever do.
We labor with our hands to look after others which is the polar opposite of resisting the urge to steal.
You are so far from living the Christian life in the Holy Spirit that you perplex me.
Not stealing is not love and never was and that would be a crazy way to understand agape love.
Not stealing is not the definition of love.
Not stealing as per the law is resisting the urge to steal.
A person that has the Holy Spirit has a new nature and is not dwelling on how to get thy neighbor's
belongings. It has little to do with respecting your neighbors property.
Your reply is riddled with what you will do to not steal something.
I will repeat the fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control;
against such things there is no law.
You don't need a written law to follow because your inner nature exudes kindness and goodness.
A kind, gentle, good person, is not climbing over the neighbor's fence to steal something.
against such things there is no law
We are not under the law because we don't need the law.
You have a problem with reading the scripture.
This thread has posts that show it is true.
Maybe that will help those I referenced earlier.
@vassal , mem is implying you are not a Christian.
That's against the rules here. If a moderator doesn't notice that offense,you might want report them.
Those type insults don't let up unless the offender is stopped by the rule enforcement.
No, it is not against the rules. Not even a little. If it were, we could not call out false teachers.
As you think it is, please cite the rule and link its source.
You say I have a problem with reading than you misquote me. I said stealing violates love. Love violates no law because it’s not breaking the commandment to not steal from our neighbor. Paul speaks of this plainly Rom13:9
The problem with depending on our own law, it is depending on our own righteousness (right-doing) which we are told is as filthy rags, why we need to depend on God’s Psa119:172 because His standard is the only one that matters and is everlasting . Psa 119:142 depending on self we will fail every time, we need to took to Christ. I am OK agreeing to disagree. All will get sorted out soon enough.
There is another Christian forum that has that rule. Reddit is hardline also. I don't bother with either now.
yes but the law ( ten commandments) if followed keeps you from sin! it is Why Jesus kept repeating "go and sin no more" and Repent the Kingdom of heaven is at hand, sinners cannot enter it. sin is breaking the commandments.[/QUOTE]
You do not keep the law that you are so fond of. Don't lie and say that you do. Since you are judged by the law, you are condemned as a sinner. Good luck trying to plead your case before God. "I did my best" won't cut it.
You should try reading the Bible sometime. You might learn something. At least shut up about the law. You risk leading others into bondage like yourself. Jesus said woe to those who cause others to stumble.
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Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom3:20-31
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth Rom10:4
Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Heb10:15-18
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:6
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Gal5:22&23
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom3:20-31
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth Rom10:4
Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Heb10:15-18
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:6
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Gal5:22&23