The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

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SabbathBlessing said:
Can you please point out where Moses name is in these commandments please? You do know Moses is not God right?
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Can you please explain WHY you reject what the Lord is telling His people in the Book of Hebrews?



SabbathBlessing said:
According to my Bible God and Moses gave credit to God for His commandments the Ten Commandments why God's name, not Moses is in each one of them on how we are to love God, not Moses. This really cannot be more plain.
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And if you knew the New Covenant you'd know that the 10 Commandments are repeated under the Law of Christ with the Sabbath having been upgraded to abiding IN Christ 24/7/365

Obviously you spend all your time studying the old covenant which Jesus took away so He could establish the New Covenant.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

It's time to start living in the New Covenant and accept Jesus Christ as your High Priest and quit trying to follow Moses because Jesus has replaced him!
 
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HigherGospel said:
Can you please explain WHY you reject what the Lord is telling His people in the Book of Hebrews?





And if you knew the New Covenant you'd know that the 10 Commandments are repeated under the Law of Christ with the Sabbath having been upgraded to abiding IN Christ 24/7/365

Obviously you spend all your time studying the old covenant which Jesus took away so He could establish the New Covenant.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

It's time to start living in the New Covenant and accept Jesus Christ as your High Priest and quit trying to follow Moses because Jesus has replaced him!
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You are only looking at part of the pitcure.

Why was there a need for a new covenant in the first place?

The Scripture tell us

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

They broke the covenant so they voided out the agreement. God would have never changed the agreement had they not continued in the covenant, The issue was never with the covenant, the issue was with their rebellious heart. God in His great mercy and love instead of disregarding them He wrote a new covenant. And what is the New Covenant established on?

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

So God did not change all His laws in the New Covenant because you can’t make something perfect, more perfect Psa19:7 or something holy by God more holy Rom7:12 so God made a New Covenant, established on the better promises of what He will do. It still has God’s laws why breaking the least of these commandments will lead to sin and judgement Mat5:19-30 1John3:4 James2:11 Rom7:7 Heb10:26-30 because it still has God’s laws, now written on the New Covenant believers hearts. 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 Sadly many people reject God’s New Covenant Promise because they reject the law of God Rom8:7-8 why the Holy Spirit calls on us to not harden our hearts as in the trial of the wilderness Heb3:7-19 where our fathers broke God’s covenant, will we hear Him or continue to reject the law of God that He gives us for our own good because He loves us and knows what is best for us.
 
GWH said:
SB, I think this got buried.
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Sorry I am not going to provide Scripture for your argument. If you don’t want to it is what it is, but I can promise if I post Scripture and someone asks me to support my findings I will be happy to do so. I won’t push back to them to do the work so I can look over.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
it’s what the Ten Commandments are all about.Eco 20:6 How to love God shown in the first 4 commandments Deut 6;5 and the last 6 love to our fellow man Romans 13:9. God’s perfect law written by our perfect Savior Psa19;7. The scrolls would have never been needed if the law of love was kept.
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I have heard your reply a lot over the years and from the traditional church.

I do not understand how not stealing from my neighbor implies that I love my neighbor?

Can you explain this?
 
SabbathBlessing said:
Sorry I am not going to provide Scripture for your argument. If you don’t want to it is what it is, but I can promise if I post Scripture and someone asks me to support my findings I will be happy to do so. I won’t push back to them to do the work so I can look over.
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Communicating is so problematic!
I did not ask you to support MY argument but rather YOUR argument that you think refutes mine.
(Sheesh! :^)
 
Inquisitor said:
I have heard your reply a lot over the years and from the traditional church.

I do not understand how not stealing from my neighbor implies that I love my neighbor?

Can you explain this?
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Sure, but all of the commandments work in tandem why breaking one we break them all. James2:11

Paul used this commandment as part of the commandments from the Ten to summarize love to neighbor, the second greatest commandment so this concept comes right from our Bibles

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Breaking the commandments always has an inward connection that if the heart is changed, the outward part would be kept as Jesus taught using examples right from the Ten Commandments Mat5:19-30

So for example

Murder begins with anger 5:21–22
Adultery begins with lust 5:27–28

So the 8th commandment- thou shalt not steal Exo20:15

What thoughts lead to this?

Some examples

Covetousness (wanting what belongs to others)
Greed
Discontentment
Envy
Entitlement

Which fits James 1:14-15 desire, concept, sin, death
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

How does this relate to loving neighbor, respecting what is theirs.

Stealing violates love

Would I want someone to take what is mine?
Would I want someone to cheat me?
Would I want someone to misuse my time, trust, or property?

Stealing violates trust, disrespects neighbor, is cheating them. The opposite is love by respecting and valuing what is theres.
 
GWH said:
Communicating is so problematic!
I did not ask you to support MY argument but rather YOUR argument that you think refutes mine.
(Sheesh! :^)
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I asked you to support your own teaching by Scripture. If you don’t want to do so thats fine, I am going to move on as this is unfruitful. Tale care.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
Can you quote from Scripture where God made a covenant with Gentiles. If the New Covenant of God’s laws written in the heart was only to Israel where was that covenant ratified. Scripture please.

What you seem to be promoting that James is quoting both the law of Moses and the law of God and than making the argument it can’t be kept so why try. I do not see either of these arguments in his writings.

Thanks.
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Good point about there not being any covenants with the Gentiles.

Gentiles were included only in the Abrahamic covenant.

Genesis 22:18
In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

Romans 4:6
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise
will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those
who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

Romans 4:12
And the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in
the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.

Romans 4:13
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through
the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:16
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will
be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are
of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

The former covenant, Mt Sinai, the ten commandments, was based on the law for the circumcised (Israel).

But the uncircumcised (Gentiles) was based on the promise in that Abrahamic covenant.

Not many will understand what I quoted above because a knowledge of the letter to the Romans,
is not common these days.

The uncircumcised are directly referenced in that Abrahamic covenant.

Gentile nations were never members of the covenant at Mt Sinai.

Some how sabbathblessing you have this all in reverse.

Your in a covenant that was never intended for you and ignorant of the covenant that you
were specifically included in?
 
Inquisitor said:
Good point about there not being any covenants with the Gentiles.

Gentiles were included only in the Abrahamic covenant.

Genesis 22:18
In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

Romans 4:6
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise
will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those
who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

Romans 4:12
And the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in
the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.

Romans 4:13
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through
the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:16
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will
be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are
of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

The former covenant, Mt Sinai, the ten commandments, was based on the law for the circumcised (Israel).

But the uncircumcised (Gentiles) was based on the promise in that Abrahamic covenant.

Not many will understand what I quoted above because a knowledge of the letter to the Romans,
is not common these days.

The uncircumcised are directly referenced in that Abrahamic covenant.

Gentile nations were never members of the covenant at Mt Sinai.

Some how sabbathblessing you have this all in reverse.

Your in a covenant that was never intended for you and ignorant of the covenant that you
were specifically included in?
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I never said the covenant didn’t include the Gentiles I asked this person to post it with Scripture.

God included the Gentiles in His covenant promise, those who love Him and want to join themselves to Him

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa 56&version=NKJV

Salvation for the Gentiles
Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give [a]them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner (Gentiles)
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”
 
Inquisitor said:
I have heard your reply a lot over the years and from the traditional church.

I do not understand how not stealing from my neighbor implies that I love my neighbor?

Can you explain this?
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If I ignore my neighbor, then I'll never steal from him. Man, oh man, I just realized how many people love me on this site going by all those that are ignoring me. :unsure:
 
SabbathBlessing said:
Sure, but all of the commandments work in tandem why breaking one we break them all. James2:11

Paul used this commandment as part of the commandments from the Ten to summarize love to neighbor, the second greatest commandment so this concept comes right from our Bibles

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Breaking the commandments always has an inward connection that if the heart is changed, the outward part would be kept as Jesus taught using examples right from the Ten Commandments Mat5:19-30

So for example

Murder begins with anger 5:21–22
Adultery begins with lust 5:27–28

So the 8th commandment- thou shalt not steal Exo20:15

What thoughts lead to this?

Some examples

Covetousness (wanting what belongs to others)
Greed
Discontentment
Envy
Entitlement

Which fits James 1:14-15 desire, concept, sin, death
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

How does this relate to loving neighbor, respecting what is theirs.

Stealing violates love

Would I want someone to take what is mine?
Would I want someone to cheat me?
Would I want someone to misuse my time, trust, or property?

Stealing violates trust, disrespects neighbor, is cheating them. The opposite is love by respecting and valuing what is theres.
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Where do you get this strange teaching from?

1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not
act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong
suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes
all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

If you are kind to your neighbor then obviously your not going to rip your neighbor off.

You don't learn from a written letter how to love others, how to be kind to your neighbor.

The fruit of the Holy Spirit is written into your heart and it's a spiritual endowment.

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control;
against such things there is no law.

The Holy Spirit regenerates a Christian heart from within and is beyond our ability to generate
that kindness.
 
SabbathBlessing said:
I asked you to support your own teaching by Scripture. If you don’t want to do so thats fine, I am going to move on as this is unfruitful. Tale care.
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No problem. Anyway, as you move on my understanding of your view is that it denies and twists the NC
per Eph. 2:4-22, Heb. 7:11-10:1, Gal. 1:6-9, 3:1-4, so I urged you to interpret SabbathBlessing per Heb. 4:1-11
and thereby understand that Matt. 5:18/the OC was fulfilled by Jesus's death per John 19:30.
I have no idea why you did not love this suggestion, which would change your ID from a curse
for breaking Sabbath Law to a blessing for embracing Jesus' crucifixion.
 
Inquisitor said:
Good point about there not being any covenants with the Gentiles.

Gentiles were included only in the Abrahamic covenant.

Genesis 22:18
In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

Romans 4:6
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise
will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those
who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

Romans 4:12
And the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in
the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.

Romans 4:13
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through
the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:16
For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will
be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are
of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

The former covenant, Mt Sinai, the ten commandments, was based on the law for the circumcised (Israel).

But the uncircumcised (Gentiles) was based on the promise in that Abrahamic covenant.

Not many will understand what I quoted above because a knowledge of the letter to the Romans,
is not common these days.

The uncircumcised are directly referenced in that Abrahamic covenant.

Gentile nations were never members of the covenant at Mt Sinai.

Some how sabbathblessing you have this all in reverse.

Your in a covenant that was never intended for you and ignorant of the covenant that you
were specifically included in?
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In my view, Romans is the most insightful book of all the Apostles letters. It has been termed Paul's masterpiece by many, I would agree
 
SabbathBlessing said:
I never said the covenant didn’t include the Gentiles I asked this person to post it with Scripture.

God included the Gentiles in His covenant promise, those who love Him and want to join themselves to Him

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa 56&version=NKJV

Salvation for the Gentiles
Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Do not let the son of the foreigner
Who has joined himself to the Lord
Speak, saying,
“The Lord has utterly separated me from His people”;
Nor let the eunuch say,
“Here I am, a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the Lord:
“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 Even to them I will give in My house
And within My walls a place and a name
Better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give [a]them an everlasting name
That shall not be cut off.
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner (Gentiles)
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”
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Salvation has not yet arrived according to your quotation.

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.

Their offerings and sacrifices are accepted on His altar.

Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;

Sounds like joining the Mt Sinai covenant.

You need to be circumcised.

I will stick with the promise in the Abrahamic covenant.
 
Mem said:
If I ignore my neighbor, then I'll never steal from him. Man, oh man, I just realized how many people love me on this site going by all those that are ignoring me. :unsure:
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Brilliant, you worked it out; we were trying to hide our love in the Spirit by ignoring you.
 
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