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I belive HIS word.
How can a person be saved without getting rid of there sins?
Sins seperates us from GOD.
Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
How do we get rid of our sins?
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22:16
King James Version
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
What do you believe?
You might be referring to baptismal regeneration..not sure because you're not making yourself very clear and i don't know you.
Answer this...(and I'm leaving for a while...later)
Let's say I come to believe in Jesus and am justified.
I'm not baptized however.
I die the next day.
Am I saved or not?
Please answer the above question.
You're posting to someone who strongly believes that we are to be baptized.
As Jesus taught and as the Apostles taught.
Using GOD'S word as the rule book not my opinion, I keep me out of his word and let JESUS do the talking.
With that scenario you are not saved, how could you be never getting rid of your sins?
(NOTE: TO ALL WHO ARE READING I AM ANSWERING A QUESTION I AM NOT SAYING TOKNOW IS NOT SAVED) I know how that can go!!!
So many people don't like what I just said, AND so many people REFUSE to believe what HIS word says.
To most I am the problem for just sharing HIS word.
I will ask you a question in that scenario what happen that you came to believe?
Was someone talking to you?
Did they tell you the importance of being baptized?
Or did they tell you that you are saved at that moment?
So if you left and died the next day who's fought would it be?
I was pleasantly surprised by your comments to me and then I seen your comments to the saw dust guy defending baptism.
Since I have been on this sight I will say most of them don't believe in it, GOD put this in my spirit.
Satan's plan keep them out of the water, if they get in the water keep JESUS name out of it. Satan knows what happens in the water!
I for sure am not in a hurry, you enjoy your day nice talking to you.
It's important to note to whom Peter was speaking in Acts 2. They were all Jews who had come from many different nations gathered together in Jerusalem for the Shavuot. Being Israeli, I have particular interest in Pentscost and Shvuot (Feast of Weeks).
Anyway (sorry about the diversion), what Peter spkoe as their required water baptism was for them under the Kingdom Gospel. Paul, on the other hand, when speaking of his Gospel of Grace to all Jews and Gentiles today, long after the fall of Israel as the nation of priests unto the world and under partial blindness (not all are under that blindness), his Gospel of Grace laid down no requirement for salvation by remittance of sins through water baptism. See 1 Cor. 15:1-4, as stated therein, that is the means unto salvation for us today.
This set of modern doctrines about salvation, some of which are clearly rooted in replacement theology, they are "another gospel" with those who preach them being accursed. Some may say that's strong language, bit it is what it is. Rightly dividing the word of truth isn't a matter of dividing truth from falsehoods. It's a matter of dividing truth from truth because not all truths in the Bible apply to us today although there is great benefit to studying it all with an eye to what's relevant today and what's not. None of us goes out into the back yard to offer up animal sacrifices for sins, and yet they will cross-polinate their theology with legalistic elements that applied only to Israel and the Kingdom Gospel we were under at that time until Acts 7, 9 and beyond.
I defied a number of my theology professors on this front while working toward a Th.D, and I continue to debate some of them today with them refuting the clear language of the scriptures as do so many of the numerous "armchair experts" throughout much of Evengelicalism who have rarely, if ever, done a systematic study akin to the foundations laid down by men such as Wayne Grudum and others.
I've already encountered out there those who write off others with labels undergirded with sneers of derision and malice against the topic discussed without them ever accepting the clear language in context and systematically validated. Scholars can be just as wrong as any "armchair experts" the world over. Bias is a strong force proving to be most difficult to overcome, with none of us being exempt from it's iron-fisted grip, especially when faced with challenges to long held beliefs, especially teachings from highly admired sources who stand behind pulpits within churchianity and/or universities.
A woman I spoke with yesterday who fancies herself a Pertacostal "pastor"...asked me what denominational background I am. My answer puzzled her when I answered that I'm of the Biblicist flavor. Most associate their theological bents with some popular denominational identifier, with few ever pointing only to the one Book worthy of all our admiration as the signpost that points to the Author who alone is worthy of our devotion and worship and sourcing for all truth (1 John 2:27).
MM
FYI, I belieive the music master guy has me on ignore, I guess he does not like me much.
So I'm thinking he can not see my comments or my replies.
I stared a this thread for people like him, not sure if he saw it I don't think he ever responded to it.
On one of his comments I shared it also, sad people think Paul preached a different gospel.
FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?
Eternity is a long time, we better make sure we are following JESUS and HIS word, going down the straight and narrow path.
Do we jump over the book of Acts because it's a transitional book as so so many claim, ignoring it and go right to Paul’s letters? Or, accept the book of Acts because it is the FOUNDATION and not a transitional book?
The foundation of the book of Acts is believe in JESUS, repent, water baptism in JESUS name and need to receive the Holy Ghost to be reborn. Acts 2:38.
Following the same path that JESUS and HIS disciple took along with Paul before he started his ministry.
OR, is the book of Acts a transitional book and we are saved by grace and or faith ALONE?
Below you will see GOD'S words not anyone's opinion or personal interpretation of HIS word.
Why didn't Paul mention the need to be water baptized or receive the Holy Ghost to be saved?
Many do not understand and the outcome is going to be devastating.
Nowhere after the book of Acts will you see specific instructions on the how to be reborn or saved, NO WHERE why?
ALL OF Paul's letters WERE NOT written to the unsaved, but to the saved or reborn.
After the book of Acts in Paul's letters he was giving instructions about how to live, what to do as Christians to reach the lost, what happens in water baptism, and things about the Holy Ghost. Off the milk and on the MEAT.
Through Paul’s travels he heard different problems in the churches and was addressing the problems in each of his letters.
His letters included both CORRECTION and PRAISE.
If you were there to hear the instructions Paul gave that birthed churches it would be the same message as the rest of JESUS disciples. See Acts 19 it shows what Paul told the people to do.
Paul did NOT have his own gospel. Notice how he introduces himself PAUL AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST.
Look who the letters are addressed to,
1 Corinthians,
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
2 Corinthians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
Romans,
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians,
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
Ephesians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Philippians,
1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
Colossians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
All letters after the book of Thessalonians had nothing to with Paul’s ministry to churches.
Back to Paul
Proof Paul followed JESUS along with the rest of JESUS disciples is seen in what happened in the beginning stages of when he started the church of Ephesus Acts 19. For some reason Paul questioned whether the 12 disciples had the Holy Ghost yet. He found out the men did not know what happened at Pentecost. He told them about JESUS and they got baptized. And after Paul laid hands on them they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19,
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
After Paul baptized those folk, and they received the Holy Ghost he stayed there for 2-3 years building the church of Jews and Gentiles.
If anyone debates Paul preached a different message, it's HIS word your debating not with me.
I bet there will be a lot of people who share Paul's letters trying to prove Paul said we are saved by grace or faith alone using Paul letters and debate HIS word.
BEFORE you do, read from the top with an open heart and look , Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ and each and every letter is to a church, not the unsaved.
We CAN'T debate HIS word, it says what it say and means what it means.
The smile is for the BIBLICIST DENOMINATION.
I fear i've joined the group!
but later...
Faith alone is not a biblical teaching.FYI, I belieive the music master guy has me on ignore, I guess he does not like me much.
So I'm thinking he can not see my comments or my replies.
I stared a this thread for people like him, not sure if he saw it I don't think he ever responded to it.
On one of his comments I shared it also, sad people think Paul preached a different gospel.
FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?
Eternity is a long time, we better make sure we are following JESUS and HIS word, going down the straight and narrow path.
Do we jump over the book of Acts because it's a transitional book as so so many claim, ignoring it and go right to Paul’s letters? Or, accept the book of Acts because it is the FOUNDATION and not a transitional book?
The foundation of the book of Acts is believe in JESUS, repent, water baptism in JESUS name and need to receive the Holy Ghost to be reborn. Acts 2:38.
Following the same path that JESUS and HIS disciple took along with Paul before he started his ministry.
OR, is the book of Acts a transitional book and we are saved by grace and or faith ALONE?
Below you will see GOD'S words not anyone's opinion or personal interpretation of HIS word.
Why didn't Paul mention the need to be water baptized or receive the Holy Ghost to be saved?
Many do not understand and the outcome is going to be devastating.
Nowhere after the book of Acts will you see specific instructions on the how to be reborn or saved, NO WHERE why?
ALL OF Paul's letters WERE NOT written to the unsaved, but to the saved or reborn.
After the book of Acts in Paul's letters he was giving instructions about how to live, what to do as Christians to reach the lost, what happens in water baptism, and things about the Holy Ghost. Off the milk and on the MEAT.
Through Paul’s travels he heard different problems in the churches and was addressing the problems in each of his letters.
His letters included both CORRECTION and PRAISE.
If you were there to hear the instructions Paul gave that birthed churches it would be the same message as the rest of JESUS disciples. See Acts 19 it shows what Paul told the people to do.
Paul did NOT have his own gospel. Notice how he introduces himself PAUL AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST.
Look who the letters are addressed to,
1 Corinthians,
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
2 Corinthians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
Romans,
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians,
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
Ephesians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Philippians,
1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
Colossians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
All letters after the book of Thessalonians had nothing to with Paul’s ministry to churches.
Back to Paul
Proof Paul followed JESUS along with the rest of JESUS disciples is seen in what happened in the beginning stages of when he started the church of Ephesus Acts 19. For some reason Paul questioned whether the 12 disciples had the Holy Ghost yet. He found out the men did not know what happened at Pentecost. He told them about JESUS and they got baptized. And after Paul laid hands on them they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19,
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
After Paul baptized those folk, and they received the Holy Ghost he stayed there for 2-3 years building the church of Jews and Gentiles.
If anyone debates Paul preached a different message, it's HIS word your debating not with me.
I bet there will be a lot of people who share Paul's letters trying to prove Paul said we are saved by grace or faith alone using Paul letters and debate HIS word.
BEFORE you do, read from the top with an open heart and look , Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ and each and every letter is to a church, not the unsaved.
We CAN'T debate HIS word, it says what it say and means what it means.
There is only one gospel.
We're not going to agree on the baptism teaching...
no time now.
For sure more than faith.
Yep one gospel.
We should be able to using HIS word as our foudation.
You take your time, sometimes I wait until the next day to respond.
We should never be rushing our statements.
There is only one baptism that saves and places us into the body of Christ and that is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.
Ephesians 4:5 - ..one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37-39 for the word drink(s) and see the connection with the Holy Spirit.
You can get that much?
But think beyond that level?
What you do is deliberate.
Your goal is to become a center of attention upon yourself.
Not, God's Word.
But, you do so in the name of God's Word.
It is shameful.
You're saying that belief in Jesus is to no avail.
And yet we're told by the Apostles that belief in Jesus will save us.
John said:
3:16
16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.
Paul said:
Romans 10:9-10
9 [a]that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart a person believes, [b]resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, [c]resulting in salvation.
Peter said:
Acts 4:12
12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among mankind by which we must be saved.”
The bible is indeed our authority...but ALL scripture must be reconciled with itself...
verses do not stand alone.
In my scenario, I would be saved because I was justified and made righteous by my faith.
Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [a]this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
If I died the next day, unbaptized, I'd still be saved for the reason I gave in the verses I posted.
WHEN a person understands that he must be baptized...then he becomes responsible for taking this action.
And even if he cannot be baptized, for whatever reason, his DESIRE FOR BAPTISM will cover him until he can be baptized.
[QUOTGE]I was pleasantly surprised by your comments to me and then I seen your comments to the saw dust guy defending baptism.
Since I have been on this sight I will say most of them don't believe in it, GOD put this in my spirit.[/QUOTE]
We must do all that Jesus commanded.
If we become saved in a desert...with no water anywhere...
we will still be saved.
Two things noted and have been determined by now.
- You know what you are doing.
- And, you are up to no good.
You are divisive. And it can be seen that you are not a baby Christian.
Yet, we keep treating you like you were a baby?
Because you think with the Bible like one.
What does God's Word tell us to do with a divisive person?
Look it up in your King James.
Tell us what it says.
MM. We know each other from another Forum and y ou know I will not be agreeing with you.
There is only one gospel.
There is only one Kingdom.
Jesus came preaching the Kingdom of God...
both the one He wanted to create on earth...a spiritual kingdom.
This Kingdom was near:
Matthew 4:17
17 From that time Jesus began to [a]preach and say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Luke 17:20-21
20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God is not coming with [a]signs to be observed;
21 nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is [b]in your midst.”
The Kingdom is at hand.
The Kingdom is in your midst.
The future Kingdom is spoken of in Revelation.
i don't know what replacement theology is.
Sounds like a new fandangled idea.
I like and stick to what the church taught at the beginning.
What do you believe the OTHER GOSPEL is?
Everything in the NT applies to us today.
Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel...
but He also said He had other sheep that needed to be brought into the fold - Gentiles.
Which truths do you believe do not apply to us?
Which legalistic elements are you speaking about?
Wayne Grudum. And then there are those that do not agree with him. (no idea who they would be).
My experts are the Apostles and those that came immediately after them that were trained and taught by the Apostles.
[QUOTED]Scholars can be just as wrong as any "armchair experts" the world over. Bias is a strong force proving to be most difficult to overcome, with none of us being exempt from it's iron-fisted grip, especially when faced with challenges to long held beliefs, especially teachings from highly admired sources who stand behind pulpits within churchianity and/or universities.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I like to stick to the bible.
Agreed.
The only denomination should be the word of God.
Of course, the problem is that we don't all understand it the same way.
You don't have to convince me ouch!FYI, I belieive the music master guy has me on ignore, I guess he does not like me much.
So I'm thinking he can not see my comments or my replies.
I stared a this thread for people like him, not sure if he saw it I don't think he ever responded to it.
On one of his comments I shared it also, sad people think Paul preached a different gospel.
FOUNDATION, the 12 apostles or Pauls?
Eternity is a long time, we better make sure we are following JESUS and HIS word, going down the straight and narrow path.
Do we jump over the book of Acts because it's a transitional book as so so many claim, ignoring it and go right to Paul’s letters? Or, accept the book of Acts because it is the FOUNDATION and not a transitional book?
The foundation of the book of Acts is believe in JESUS, repent, water baptism in JESUS name and need to receive the Holy Ghost to be reborn. Acts 2:38.
Following the same path that JESUS and HIS disciple took along with Paul before he started his ministry.
OR, is the book of Acts a transitional book and we are saved by grace and or faith ALONE?
Below you will see GOD'S words not anyone's opinion or personal interpretation of HIS word.
Why didn't Paul mention the need to be water baptized or receive the Holy Ghost to be saved?
Many do not understand and the outcome is going to be devastating.
Nowhere after the book of Acts will you see specific instructions on the how to be reborn or saved, NO WHERE why?
ALL OF Paul's letters WERE NOT written to the unsaved, but to the saved or reborn.
After the book of Acts in Paul's letters he was giving instructions about how to live, what to do as Christians to reach the lost, what happens in water baptism, and things about the Holy Ghost. Off the milk and on the MEAT.
Through Paul’s travels he heard different problems in the churches and was addressing the problems in each of his letters.
His letters included both CORRECTION and PRAISE.
If you were there to hear the instructions Paul gave that birthed churches it would be the same message as the rest of JESUS disciples. See Acts 19 it shows what Paul told the people to do.
Paul did NOT have his own gospel. Notice how he introduces himself PAUL AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST.
Look who the letters are addressed to,
1 Corinthians,
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
2 Corinthians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
Romans,
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians,
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
Ephesians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Philippians,
1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
Colossians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
All letters after the book of Thessalonians had nothing to with Paul’s ministry to churches.
Back to Paul
Proof Paul followed JESUS along with the rest of JESUS disciples is seen in what happened in the beginning stages of when he started the church of Ephesus Acts 19. For some reason Paul questioned whether the 12 disciples had the Holy Ghost yet. He found out the men did not know what happened at Pentecost. He told them about JESUS and they got baptized. And after Paul laid hands on them they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19,
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.
10 And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks.
After Paul baptized those folk, and they received the Holy Ghost he stayed there for 2-3 years building the church of Jews and Gentiles.
If anyone debates Paul preached a different message, it's HIS word your debating not with me.
I bet there will be a lot of people who share Paul's letters trying to prove Paul said we are saved by grace or faith alone using Paul letters and debate HIS word.
BEFORE you do, read from the top with an open heart and look , Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ and each and every letter is to a church, not the unsaved.
We CAN'T debate HIS word, it says what it say and means what it means.
I agree with all.
Acts is what happened after Jesus ascended.
It's history and may or may not explain all theology.
All of the NT is written to us.
I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
New King James Version
Mark 1:8
I had company.
I basically agree with your baptism doctrine but I just think you take it too far.