Pre Trib or Post trib rapture?
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"Elijah must appear...."
TO ISRAEL! And only during the tribulation. That's his continuing commission, a prophet TO ISRAEL.
It is his "taken up" that is a type of the pre-trib rapture.
No, I'm right. The rapture happens to be my specialty.
But its not like I haven't expended 25 years studying the matter in order to get it right.
Because I have. And I commend you to do the same. And then preach it accurately.
Fortunately, I have massive quantities of verifiable Biblical proofs to back me up. Some of which I have kindly provided to you.
And you?
He's already been here and it's in scripture! Who came in the spirit of Elijah?
anyone? Bueller?
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
So now Elijah has to show up before your pre-trib rapture too? Okay....
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Hhhmmmm you really do have a long way to go to get a decent grip on the Scriptures friend.
But the answer is of course YES.
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Sorry, meant to say that YES they DO show up in the context of the "END TIMES" SCANARIO, resurrected as prophets to Israel and the gentile world.
"Yeah, guess what, she is only ever mentioned in the bible, when she is married to Joseph and when his kids are born."
Ahhhmmm you might want to look into that with greater scrutiny. Much, much greater scrutiny.....
And then, perhaps, you will experience a much needed moment of clarity.
https://christianchat.com/threads/pre-trib-or-post-trib-rapture.222248/post-5679567
You're going to be embarrassed when it doesn't happen before the great tribulation and you and all the people you duped are still here. None of you are ready. Please repent of the false pre-trib belief and prepare!
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Worse yet, many will have fallen away, because they believed this pretribulation hoax, and thought they weren't the elect, when the tribulation comes.
They think they no tribulation comes to them, but if they look at Jesus and the disciples, they had nothing but persecution.
I would like to remind people the Hebrew people had to go through all the plagues in Egypt, but most of them left towards the promised land, when it was finished.
Some them pretribbers were pushing the idea, that last September was the big event...And poof...Nothing.
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I don't get it.
Why are you being sarcastic, when you literally propose a Concave Hollow Earth?!?
I felt the need to clarify that.
Like, people might think, that all people, who know that the rapture is not pretribulational, might have the same belief about the shape of the earth as you.
My voluminous Scriptural references trump your quaint opinions.
Did you actually read any of what I have posted?
I think not as I do not see any cogent sensible rebuttals using actual Bible passages coming from you.
BTW, you will be accountable to know the rapture and preach it, don't ever forget it.
True the earth is not a perfect sphere. This is why airplanes whose destination is on the other side the world don't fly perfectly straight from east to west or west to east. The distance at the equaror is actually lomger latitudinally is than longitudinally from pole to pole, north to south and vice versa.
When I have to fly to Asia from New York, the route goes through Canada and Alaska, skirt Russia (because we don't want to die!) and the first stop is Japan, then vice versa going back to the States.
Yeah all those voluminous verses have been twisted to fit the false pre-trib teaching to cloud and confuse people.
Post-trib teaching is simple and clear but, you will never admit it because you've become too invested in your false pre-trib teaching. So you'll reject any rebuttal because of your pride.
So what can God do with you except to let you make a fool of yourself waiting fo the rapture to happen before the GT.
Warning people that the rapture is AFTER the GT and to prepare by strengthening their faith in Christ is what God has instructed me to do.
He also said not to waste time arguing with people who refuse to believe what the Bible says, and let them suffer the consequences of their unbelief. It is not the responsibility of the messenger.
️Think cv5 made a typo when he said:
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:3 says 1260 days--first half of the Tribulation, not 2300 days
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:3 says 1260 days--first half of the Tribulation, not 2300 days
You do know the scripture calls it a mystery....?
1 Corinthians 15:51-52
51 Behold, I tell you a [a]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
This is all distraction technique. No where in your Bible quotes contradicts my post, or proves pre tribulation rapture. Not unless you count for your misguided interpretation. Repeat after me, the Church is mentioned passed Revelation 4, and no mention of pre tribulation rapture any where...
Your verse Revelation 3:10 is from a letter written to the Church of Philadelphia.. And? Could you tell me where it mentions this pre tribulation rapture? So, your reading into it? Do you live in Turkey? Please explain.
The Church is never mentioned after Revelation Chapter 4? Say what? Have you read the book of Revelations? Seriously. Have you? I know you just typed that out, because that's what you heard your pastor say, or heard it on the radio, there is no way you thought of that yourself. I heard that many times from pastors going on and on about pretribulation rapture. Once again, pastors who goto seminary are taught this I'm sure...
I dare you to goto your church, and have your pastor plainly explain the pretribulation rapture in scripture. I have when I went to Calvary Chapel, the pastor couldn't, and eventually said, it will all pan out. Like never mind, it's just what we tell the church, don't question it, because we can't back it up.
Have you read Revelation 7? Please read that chapter and tell me, the church is not mentioned there.. Please... Just read it. And then call in on the radio program, and ask them to explain why Revelation 7 doesn't mentioned the church. That will be hilarious.
Revelation 7:13-14
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
14 And I said to him, [a]“Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
So, your telling me, those who came out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb, is not the church????
Have you read the book of Revelations??? Seriously, have you? Honestly. I admit I have a hard time understanding Revelations, but I won't dare just blindly quote pastors in their interpretation of Revelation. I heard many people preach on it, but let's just say, I'm not sure who is right.... I can attest that I read it...
Your verse Revelation 3:10 is from a letter written to the Church of Philadelphia.. And? Could you tell me where it mentions this pre tribulation rapture? So, your reading into it? Do you live in Turkey? Please explain.
Bro!
Sorry, this is why I don't like discussing this topic. People just parrot what they hear from their pastors, and haven't actually looked at it themselves. Your the one who claims to have been studying this topic for 25 years?
Beg my pardon brother, but let's not carried away. I would encourage you to understand both view points and see which is actually Biblical.. Like read the Bible yourself and search for truth..