Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
The US helps and protects Israel because of its Christians.

Most of the Christians in the US will be killed off in the great tribulation because we won't take the mark of the beast. The few left will be powerless to help. The majority left in the US will be the Jew-haters and will join the rest of the world to fight Israel.


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Just make it up as yo go along, why not. lol
 
HeIsHere said:
Generally speaking they do not like being challenged or to re-examine with what they have been indoctrinated,

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Not a case of that at all, more like if people are going to go to great lengths to overturn the plainly written word, in my view it is pointless continuing.
IE, I quote Ezekiel 36:16-28, and someone rationalises it has already happened, why would I want to continue under such circumstances? Youre welcome to believe as you wish, as so am I
 
Aaron56 said:
What you believe is that God supports the shadow (physical Israel) and the reality (spiritual Israel) at the same time? No, once the reality appears there is no use for the shadow.

A nation requires 1. people sustained by new birth and 2. a form of governance and/or a ruler. Let’s see if we have a record of a nation being created in a day somewhere in scripture…

In Acts 2 ”“Fellow Israelites, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is hereto this day. 30 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.”

And a little further:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”

So, then how can a nation, ruled by the Messiah, appear in one day? Peter gave the way of national identity to the crowd:

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

And in a little bit further:

“And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.”

This nation, ruled by the Messiah, continued to grow. That fulfilled (and is being fulfilled even today) the prophesy in Isaiah where it reads “..and of the increase of His government there will be no end.”

Now, some might say “Well, this is the church. This isn’t a nation. God is just building His church.”

This same Peter, the one who spoke the words in Acts 2 above, would later write to Jew and Gentile (in the flesh) believers this…

“But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.”

Do you see that? Not just the church, but a holy nation. And how did this nation appear? Let’s read on…

“Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.”

The reality of their national identity appeared at once. They went from “not a nation” to “God’s chosen nation” by repentance and belief in Christ Jesus, their ruler. This happens instantly for all who receive Him.

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Agree 100%

Thank you, I would just add that the concept of nation as used in scripture is not the same as the modern day nation state which is an evolved modern concept.

In the Bible Israel was not a nation state, it was a nation.. ..very different
 
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Undergrace1 said:
Not a case of that at all, more like if people are going to go to great lengths to overturn the plainly written word, in my view it is pointless continuing.
IE, I quote Ezekiel 36:16-28, and someone rationalises it has already happened, why would I want to continue under such circumstances? Youre welcome to believe as you wish, as so am I
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The issue is your view has dire consequences for the world, I actually want my children to have a life, your view has manufactured ongoing global conflict.
 
HeIsHere said:
The issue is your view has dire consequences for the world, I actually want my children to have a life.
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Theres a lot written in revelation that has dire consequences for the world, you cannot dismiss anything you like in the bible just for that
 
Undergrace1 said:
Theres a lot written in revelation that has dire consequences for the world, you cannot dismiss anything you like in the bible for that
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I dismiss nothing I have accepted the words of Christ Jesus as HE stated them, just go read the times stamps.

Soon is soon!!
 
HeIsHere said:
The issue is your view has dire consequences for the world, I actually want my children to have a life, your view has manufactured ongoing global conflict.
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BTW
Then oppose nuclear weapons, the abomination that results in desolation, it will result in darkness. One third of the sun and moon will not shine, meaning one third of the earth will be covered in darkness. A third of the land and trees will be burned up. The world will see horrors unequalled since its creation and will never be seen again
I watched a programme years a go, it stated if there was a nuclear war amongst the main(main) countries that had those weapons a cloud would cover one third of the earth, meaning the sun and moon would not shine on one third of the earth, there would be darkness on one third of the earth. Whose fault is it nuclear weapons exist, Israels?
 
Undergrace1 said:
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Then oppose nuclear weapons, the abomination that results in desolation, it will result in darkness. One third of the sun and moon will not shine, meaning one third of the earth will be covered in darkness. A third of the land and trees will be burned up. The world will see horrors unequalled since its creation and will never be seen again
I watched a programme years a go, it stated if there was a nuclear war amongst the main(main) countries that had those weapons a cloud would cover one third of the earth, meaning the sun and moon would not shine on one third of the earth, there would be darkness on one third of the earth. Whose fault is it nuclear weapons exist, Israels?
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The most significant moment in all history past, present and future was the death of Christ Jesus... that was the abomination that caused desolation, the Temple was destroyed and so was Jerusalem.
It ushered in the new age of Grace in Christ Jesus and the close of the old.

I wonder people still crave death and destruction, it is really sad.
 
HeIsHere said:
The most significant moment in all history past, present and future was the death of Christ Jesus... that was the abomination that caused desolation, the Temple was destroyed and so was Jerusalem.
It ushered in the new age of Grace in Christ Jesus and the close of the old.

I wonder people still crave death and destruction, it is really sad.
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I understand, to actually face the truth is horrifying.
 
Undergrace1 said:
I understand, to actually face the truth is horrifying.
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Actually, the truth will set you free, I praise God each day HE set me free from the Darby/Scofield dispensational lies.
And bonus the Bible makes so much more sense.
 
HeIsHere said:
Actually, the truth will set you free, I praise God each day HE set me free from the Darby/Scofield dispensational lies.
And bonus the Bible makes so much more sense.
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Well I could ask, does the bible say one third of the land and trees were burned up when Jesus died at calvary, and one third of the earth was covered in darkness? But that shouldnt be a problem for you, bearing in mind how much plain scripture you can overturn at will
 
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HeIsHere said:
Agree 100%

Thank you, I would just add that the concept of nation as used in scripture is not the same as the modern day nation state which is an evolved modern concept.

In the Bible Israel was not a nation state, it was a nation.. ..very different
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Yeah. In the Greek, “nation” is “ethnos”. It better understood as a particular people with the same traits. It’s the word from which we derive “ethnic”. Ethnos is a demarkation of tradition, family, and lineage not geographic boarders.
 
Undergrace1 said:
Well I could ask, does the bible say one third of the land and trees were burned up when Jesus died at calvary, and one third of the earth was covered in darkness? But that shouldnt be a problem for you, bearing in mind how much plain scripture you can overturn at will
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Okay.
 
Gideon300 said:
The preacher is Dr James Tour. He is a brilliant scientist, a fervent evangelist and knowledgeable about Israel's place in God's plan and purpose. It is quite long, but well worth hearing. Replacement people don't listen. You will have to change your minds if you do.

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Make sure to add the other names it's known by Supersessionism and Fulfillment Theology. It is also closely associated with aspects of Covenant Theology.
 
HeIsHere said:
You should really examine your need to bring on death and destruction to the world around you.
It cannot be healthy for you.
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I warning my brothers and sisters in Christ what's to come and to be ready for it.

I don't know why you'd be concerned about that. 🙂

You have problems of your own to tend to....


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faithlife said:
  • "Grafted In" (Not Replaced): Paul uses the metaphor of an olive tree in Romans 11, where Gentiles are "wild branches" grafted into the original Jewish tree. This signifies inclusion and expansion, not replacement.
  • Literal Prophecies: Many Old Testament prophecies regarding the physical, literal restoration of the Jewish people to the land of Israel (e.g., Ezekiel 36-48) are spiritualized or ignored by replacement theology, say critics.
Replacement Theology is anti-semitism in disguise. God's vision is not their vision at all, for Israel.[/QUOTE]


Exactly, it's how scholarly German Christians could not only turn their back on the Jews, but also help murder them. Unfortunately they defended themselves using Martin Luther's sermons. How far we can drift when we deny what the Word plainly says.
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HeIsHere said:
The one true church/believers exists in both the new and old testament, that is why replacement theology is not a thing, it is just something made up to disparage, throw shade on covenant theology.
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That answers a lot of questions.
 
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