The Sin Nature is spiritual lust, not flesh and blood.

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The “seed” is passed from the father. It doesn’t come from the mother. Jesus without a biological father did not have the same seed as others..

You disagree with Scripture, or change it to mean something else?

Romans{1:3}
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;


Heb 2:16
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.


The flesh of Jesus was with the seed of David and Abraham in the womb of Mary, of the same lineage. The flesh of Jesus was the same natural flesh of all men and women, not a supernatural body as that of angels.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh of man, not of angels...

Also fun fact not only was it a miracle for Him to be born of a virgin

Which was for a sign of the coming Messiah. Not for having unnatural flesh and blood, like that of angels.

The angels that sinned by mating with women, was the devil's inspiration to produce super people of his own making, that would only obey him, and not the true God:

Gen 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days;

Gen 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Lucifer's purpose was to destroy the faith of God from all people, so that God would need destroy all men and women. Noah alone remained faithful to God.

Jesus' body was not made of super flesh by an angel mating with the virgin Mary. Jesus was God the Word made of natural flesh and blood of man. His body was not made of the nature of the giants.


but the biological father also along with the seed passes on the “y” chromosome that determines one to be male. Another miracle that you don’t hear much.

The DNA of all flesh is in the seed of all men. The seed of all men is in the flesh of all men and women made of natural DNA.

The DNA of Mary's flesh by the seed of David and Abraham, was in the natural flesh and blood body of her firstborn son, Jesus.

Jesus' flesh was natural, not unnatural stuff of pagan demigods. His blood was natural, not 'pure' ichor of the gods.

Heb 2:17
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Heb 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain

Jesus can help any person born of natural flesh and blood, because He Himself had a natural body, when resisting and overcoming all temptation known to men and women.
 
If any soul or creature in heaven and earth is made without God, then who is their Creator and Maker?

If God created self-replicating creatures, each replication can still be called created by God.
Each creature is still created by God, the same as in the beginning:

Rev 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

God did not create man and woman good in the beginning, only to allow man and woman to 'mutate' themselves in the womb on their own.

It's now become fashionable for some modern corrupt-biologists to have found the 'homosexual' gene.

2 Timothy{6:20}
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.


The false Christian tradition of man now being born sinfully of the devil, must agree. I.e. Whether homosexuality, drunkenness, robbery, lying, murders, etc... It's all the natural product of now being made in the womb with the sin nature 'gene and DNA'.

And so, it's not the person's fault for doing evil, but only God's fault for 'making us that way.' We're just doing what comes natural by God's own creative sinful will...


However, with no direct spiritual or soul connection to God, each creature will go it's own way.

Once again, the question is about how men and women are created, not about how men and women choose to live after birth for the good or evil.

As in the beginning, the same Christ still creates every man and woman in His own good image, and lightens every newborn babe with love for God to do good:

Jhn 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made…That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh.

It's only men and women after birth, that can abuse God's spiritual power to choose our own evil way, rather than God's good way as created.

Being created in God's image, is with His spiritual power of will to choose, which the natural animals don't have. With that power therefore, we have responsibility for the will we choose to do: God's or our own.

1Jo 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

No man nor woman will stand before God's judgment of works, and blame their natural bodies for doing evil. There will be no more accusations against God and His Christ for making them that way from the womb...
 
You disagree with Scripture, or change it to mean something else?

Romans{1:3}
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;


Heb 2:16
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.


The flesh of Jesus was with the seed of David and Abraham in the womb of Mary, of the same lineage. The flesh of Jesus was the same natural flesh of all men and women, not a supernatural body as that of angels.

Jesus Christ is come in the flesh of man, not of angels...



Which was for a sign of the coming Messiah. Not for having unnatural flesh and blood, like that of angels.

The angels that sinned by mating with women, was the devil's inspiration to produce super people of his own making, that would only obey him, and not the true God:

Gen 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days;

Gen 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Lucifer's purpose was to destroy the faith of God from all people, so that God would need destroy all men and women. Noah alone remained faithful to God.

Jesus' body was not made of super flesh by an angel mating with the virgin Mary. Jesus was God the Word made of natural flesh and blood of man. His body was not made of the nature of the giants.




The DNA of all flesh is in the seed of all men. The seed of all men is in the flesh of all men and women made of natural DNA.

The DNA of Mary's flesh by the seed of David and Abraham, was in the natural flesh and blood body of her firstborn son, Jesus.

Jesus' flesh was natural, not unnatural stuff of pagan demigods. His blood was natural, not 'pure' ichor of the gods.

Heb 2:17
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Heb 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain


Jesus can help any person born of natural flesh and blood, because He Himself had a natural body, when resisting and overcoming all temptation known to men and women.
You seem to assume a lot about what others think. I never mentioned the word angel and you went straight to assuming I believed He was born of an angel or something. It’s kinda the same way you assume anyone who says they are saved by their faith alone believes they can live however they want. Do you believe that the fact He was born of a virgin was only to show a sign that He was the Messiah?
 
"As I said, I've given the Scriptures proving otherwise, if you want to address them and show any error in the arguments, I'd be glad to look at it."
Sadly, having had a good many exchanges with you some time back, I hold no hope that would make any difference. :cautious:

Since you never address a Scriptural argument, then continuing not to makes no difference.

Our spirits are what is renewed by the Holy Spirit. To say the body only obeys the spirit...your words...is to turn the entire meaning of that verse on its head. In simpler terms, you have it backwards.

Psa 23:1
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.


Col 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

2Co 4:16
For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

Ezek 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The soul is the spiritual inner man, that is renewed by God, not the outward natural body. It's the soul of a person that dies by doing the sinning with the natural body. It's not the natural body that dies by sinning with the soul.

All natural things are created by God naturally mortal. All spiritual souls are created in the image of God, and only die to God by lusting and sinning against Him from the heart:

Jas 1:14
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death (to the soul).


To say the spirit of a man obeys the body, is to say the body is to be blamed for the sinning. "It's my body's fault" only works to deceive fools in this life, but has no place at God's righteous judgment of our works, that we do in our bodies:

2Co 5:9
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done.

1 Peter {1:15}
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:


No doubt your sadness is always getting from me a Scriptural response to your ideologies, that are made by your own faith alone.

1Ki 22:15
So he came to the king. And the king said unto him, Micaiah, shall we go against Ramothgilead to battle, or shall we forbear? And he answered him, Go, and prosper: for the LORD shall deliver it into the hand of the king. And the king said unto him, How many times shall I adjure thee that thou tell me nothing but that which is true in the name of the LORD?

And he said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace. And the king of Israel said unto Jehoshaphat, Did I not tell thee that he would prophesy no good concerning me, but evil?


Some people keep coming back for more and more, and only get more and more saddened by a Scriptural response.
 
The soul is the spiritual inner man, that is renewed by God, not the outward natural body. It's the soul of a person that dies by doing the sinning with the natural body. It's not the natural body that dies by sinning with the soul.
1 Thessalonians 5:23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Clearly, soul is distinct from spirit, so your assertion is incorrect. Soul is mind, will, intellect, memory, imagination, and emotions. Notice that none of those are spiritual. All humans, saved and unsaved, have these. If the soul died upon the commission of sin, all these faculties would die with it. They don't.
 
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So called "sin nature" are the bad habits people learn, take up, and accept after they are born in to this world full of darkness and sin as they start flowing with the world.
Well said, and obvious even for the world to understand. It's called being a 'product of your environment', not born that way.

Psa 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

How can David by the Spirit say this, as though we are created sinfully, while also by the Spirit declare how wonderfully we are all made, and ought praise God for it?

Psa 139:13
For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.


Since the latter confirms we are all created in God's good image and likeness, then the former must mean, as you say, that unlike Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, everyone coming into the world after their transgression, is therefore born into a sinful world of iniquity.

Sin nature is not something people are born with since we know God did not put sin in every little baby as they were created.

Halleluiah brother. Thank God there are still Christians, that do not put the blame the world's sin on newborn babes of the devil.

This is one of the most heinously false Christian traditions, that is rightly despised by unbelievers. That newborn babes are filled with sin and iniquity, and are children of the devil by the womb.

I've never gotten an honest response from any of Faith Aloner, when asked if the first thing that say to their newborn, "Oh, my own little child of hell..."

They justify it by something being so common, it becomes inconsequential. Which is exactly what sinning becomes, so common that it's not really sinning against God as an enemy, but only standard 'struggles' between friends, that slip up with one another.

They believe that accusation against the good God creating man sinful, just so they can explain why they continuing disobeying God: Not because of any evil lusting of their our own making, but because they are 'made that way' from the beginning by Christ, and so it's the 'body's' fault.

Jas 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: Every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Psa 51:3
For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

The Psalmist is not blaming God for his own sin, as though he was 'made that way' in the womb. A godly heart of sorrow for sinning, first acknowledges that every sin is against God, and also that God is justified in judging every man for his own sin and transgression.

No one can honestly acknowledge their own sin and repent toward God with His mercy and forgiveness, if in the heart they believe Christ made their own natural body to sin, and so should at least share in the blame, if not take all the blame.
 
We all sinned our own sins after being born and those are the sins we are held accountable for, not the sins of Adam

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

Amen and amen.

It was a Christian like you that led me out of the 'born with sin nature' lie. And worse, the mystical 'Fallen Adamite race' comics.

He made one simple point: How can any Christ help us in our temptations, when He did not come in the flesh of man, but with supernatural flesh and blood? That Christ cannot possibly be an example for people of natural flesh and blood, to walk as He walked...

2Jo 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

A deceiver and antichrist confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh of man.

We all sinned our own sins after being born and those are the sins we are held accountable for, not the sins of Adam

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

God has been rebuking this hypocritical lie, that He is an unjust judge to impute sin to someone that did not the sin. Especially not the evil of imputing someone else's sin to the innocent.

Deu 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

And if this isn't clear enough, that the children do not inherit the sins of the parent, beginning with Adam, then Jesus makes it even more clear to His own disciples believing that old Jewish lie:

Jhn 9:2
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

The only ones that believed the children were born 'bad', because of the parents' sins, was the fault-finding Jewish leaders that reject Jesus Christ as the good Creator and Maker of all things, especially every babe in the womb:

Jhn 9:34
They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.

As you say, every person is only imputed sin and judged for sinning, for their own sinning, not for any sinning of their parents, grandparents, ancestors, and especially not Adam and Evil. This is yet another senseless delusion, that any reasonable and responsible child and adult rightly despises as obvious self- justification.

And the only reason they impute such injustice to God' judgment, is to have an excuse for their own continued unrighteousness.

They get a self-justifying twofer: They can blame both their bodies and their parents for the their own unrighteous works. I wonder of any them pulled that hypocritical religion on their own parents, by blaming them when they got caught for doing wrong. But, no doubt, at least some of them were probably raised by Faith Alone religious Christians, who passed on Adam's sin-buck to their own unfortunate children. One of the hardest traditional lies to shake, when hearing the truth of God, are those learned from their own family.

Mat 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.




It's always funny to hear from those who have been falsely taught that they were born sinners as they use this as an excuse to continue living in sin believing there's no way to stop sinning.
Nail on the head time and time again.

It's the ideological childishness, that it's their body's fault. And so, it's God's fault for making them that way. Which accusation against God, is once again rebuked in James 1.

Jas 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

If Christ now creates man with sinful flesh, then He now tempts man to naturally sin with the flesh.

Being saved by Faith Alone apart from their deeds, always comes back to a self-justifying excuse for sinning against Christ. Afterall, if Christ makes everyone that way from the womb, then how can that same Christ blame anyone for acting that way?

And so, if Christ is now making people with sinful bodies, that than naturally from the dust, then Jesus Christ is not the same Maker as in the beginning, and a liar:

Mal 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not:

Hebrews{13:8}
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


And of course, the same ones preaching a superhero Christ come in supernatural flesh, always then declares how it's therefore impossible to walk as He walked in righteousness and true holiness.

And finally, since it's clearly impossible for these Faith Alone sinners to walk as Jesus walked, then by their own Faith Alone they must also judge that no Christian can walk righteously as He:

Psa 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

1 John{3:7}
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous


The apostles were having to deal with this same pompous Faith Alone hypocrisy, that was already infecting the churches of God.
 
They'll even tell you they are sinners!
Gladly! I believe it's some sort of Faith Alone rite of passage to show humility at still being a sinner.

Col 2:18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head...


And some outdo others by describing themselves as low down no good filthy sinners. They love to quote a Scripture of condemnation for themselves. And yet, by their own Faith Alone, they say they are not condemned.

Psa 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


Once again, they believe God is somehow justifying them as sinners, because they are somehow supposed to be sinners according to God's word. The problem of course is always the same with their corrupted ideology, which is scriptural context:

Ps 14:1
The fool saith in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.


In Ps 14, God is speaking of the the unbelievers in any God. And so, Faith Aloners stand side by side with the heathen God haters.

Likewise, they also quote John 1:4 ad nauseum, as another Scripture telling all believers to continually claim we still have lust to sin in their hearts. And yet, context again is only for those walking in darkness, not to deceive themselves by saying they have no sin. Which is exactly what Faith Alone teaches: Though we walk in darkness, we have no condemnation, and therefore have no sin for God to condemn...


They don't understand the new birth
Exactly again.

2Co 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ,

Even as all newborn babes are created by Christ in His own image, so are all them that repent, and are again created by Jesus Christ as newborn babes of God: All the old things are passed away, and all things are now become new and of God.

Mar 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Gal 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The old sinner man is dead and forgotten, and only the new creature in Christ Jesus lives to do good unto God's glory. Which glory is always His good will of creation:

Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Faith Aloners only talk a good game about 'hating' sin while sinning, and 'wanting' to only do good, while declaring it impossible. They therefore delude themselves into believing they will be born again all new of God, only after the grave. Which is too late to repent of all transgressions. We either receive God's grace to repent with a whole heart in this life, or never:

Acts{11:18}
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the nations granted repentance unto life.

 
or how to walk after the Spirit rather then walking after the flesh

Which is only to walk after the Spirit, and not after the flesh.

Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


By the newborn faith of Jesus in the heart, to only do good, and not evil with the flesh.

Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


as they all believe they are like the guy described in Romans 7 who is not a born again believer.

Amen again. Like some sort of Bible instruction manual on how to be double hearted Christians for life.

"The 'guy' described in Romans 7." Well said. Every Faith Aloner demands that Paul be the double hearted wretched sinners like themselves, so as to justify themselves as being 'apostolic' in life.

It's a fact that Paul could not possibly be speaking of himself at the time of writing Scripture of God, which can only be written by a holy man of God, not a double hearted sinner.

2Pe 1:20
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

As in all Scripture of God, Christ Himself is speaking. And in Rom 7 He has the sure spiritual knowledge of a doubleminded heart:

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.


There is only one thing good about Romans 7 at the end, that the double hearted Faith Aloners never speak of: Jesus Christ can also deliver double minded sinners, to have the whole new and pure heart toward God, that walks after the Spirit and not after the flesh:

Rom 7:24,
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


In Rom 7, Christ is empathizing with the believers still doing good and evil. In Rom 8 Christ is promising deliverance from any evil doing.

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Instead these "sinners" reject the new birth and choose to identify with the old man.
Those doing such won't be found in the Lord's Kingdom so thankfully we won't have to put up with their carnal minded religious foolishness for long.

Which is the hope of all saints of old and new, especially that of the prophets and apostles: That everyone naming Christ does depart from all iniquity:

Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

No more double-hearted and self-justifying sinners by their Faith Alone: All naming Israel of God are Israel of God in deed and in truth.

Rom 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

1 Thess{5:22}
Abstain from all appearance of evil. And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


2Co 11:2
For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
 
Ya might want to go back to the Word of God and ditch the false doctrine and quit being a sinner!
I believe it's called strait talking and cutting through all the ideological pretense.

2Co 3:12
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

James{1:22}
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
 
Martin Luther was a known drunk so who wants to get their doctrine from a drunkard???
You sure about that, or was he simply like any Christian knowing our liberty in the law of Christ. Was he a drunkard and gluttonous as Jesus was accused of? Or did he freely drink and eat with moderation as Jesus did?
 
"Says one sinner to another. The only difference between you and I is that I admit that I sin."

So says one sinner to himself. This is the classic error of Faith Alone for sinners in several ways:

1. Justification by numbers. Everyone's doing it, therefore no one's condemned for doing it. The flood proves that wrong: Not everyone is doing it, and only those doing so are condemned by God.

2. By the assumption of everyone's doing it, only those admitting it are humble. And anyone saying they aren't doing it is too proud.

Col 2:18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, And not holding the Head...


3. By Faith Alone, they declare it's impossible not to being doing it, and so everyone must be doing it, because their Faith Alone says so.

They never stop to consider, that by declaring they will not cease from sinning in life, that they are declaring they will continue disobeying God and His Son unto death.

In the name of humility, rebellion is boasted of.
 
The cerse you wuoted has nothing to do with the comments you added around it. I’m questioning your comments, not Scripture.

Obviously. 🙄
Not so obvious without showing the comments are not right about the Scripture. Remaining silent shuts the door to both the Scripture and the comment.

I asked of the Scripture or my comment was the problem, because I'm always open to any kind of good correction. All too often, however, people ignore both, and just go on to comment about their own things. And more often than not, without any Scripture of their own quoted.
 
He taught heresy along with the so called "reformers" who failed to simply go back to God's Word and accept the whole counsel of God.

Those citing heretics are fooled in to also not accepting all the Lord says in His Word and as such cannot be taken seriously when it comes to matters of doctrine.

Martin Luther was a known drunk so who wants to get their doctrine from a drunkard???

Ar first, when I saw Luther standing up against the RCC for salvation by grace through faith, I admired his courage and conviction. However, that was before I learned more about his character. EVEN SO, I do not think it is fair to say that "Luther was a "known drunkard" A "drunkard" is not someone who sometimes drinks to excess (though this is a sin) Being "drunkard" represents the extreme case of in which a habit of excess has become part of our mind and bodies. As a counselor, I have had to assess whether an individual was an alcohol abuser or whether they had become alcohol dependent and were an alcoholic. Neither I nor my immediate family were in the habit of drinking.

There is another aspect to this and that is the availability of clean water. In pre-modern times, drinking water was a problem in cities. Since there was no separate sewage system, all running water and wells were contaminated with germs and water could not be drunk without precautionary measures. Moreover, people preferred to drink something with taste and nutritional value rather than simple water which is why beer and wine were widely used as everyday drinks and often consumed in large quantities. Germans preferred to drink low-alcohol beer, so that even children and young people could drink it
https://wittenbergcenter.de/martin-luther-and-the-beer

Occasionally, Luther admitted to drinking too much but this does not by itself make him a "drunkard." It would only if you have a tradition of total abstinence. The term μέθυσος designates one whose life is characterized by habitual intoxication. It is not a momentary lapse but an identity formed around the repeated surrender of reason and self-control to alcohol. The concept therefore addresses both a moral disposition and an enslaving practice.
 
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