Loss of salvation???
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With YOUR PERMISSION of course, I will follow HIS word ONLY!!
ALL of the rest are knock offs, meaning when someone takes the KJV and alters it who's word is it now?
JESUS even warns us about altering it, so if your the one who did, or the one shaing it aren't you just as guility?
Revelation 22:18-19
King James Version
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Am I allowed to say JESUS???
So you are more then welcome to follow man, I not going to.
Some of the knock offs aren't to bad others are real bad.
The KJV bible says what it say, if you have to seach the internet then you are following men.
I asked you if you have the Holy Ghost, I'm guessing not!!
Where would all of JESUS disciples be without it????
Yes, you gave us your interpretation of it and ignored the scriptures I shared, never explaining how they fit together. We are saved by believing on Christ and you actually never showed me one scripture that said that, I showed you that scripture. You want to throw everyone in the water to save them. Funny how it killed those in the Exodus and the Flood.
Every Christian I know believes in the Trinity and that we are saved in Christ. You don't believe in the Trinity and think we are saved in water. Even those I know who add water baptism don't believe it is what saves them but that it is the public announcing of their faith. It is purely symbolic.
I asked which Church you attend so I could look at the teaching and get a better idea of why you believe as you do. There are aspects which are definitely not traditional Christianity and some would say you are not a Christian because of it. I am surprised (half surprised at least) that it is a Pentecostal Church. They usually have an emphasis on the work of the Spirit to the detriment of the Father and Son and I know of no mainstream Pentecostal Church here in Australia that doesn't teach the Trinity as foundational doctrine. Your desire to see me speak in tongues doesn't surprise me but you also seem to be a KJV only type as well, that is surprising.
I won't be visiting, I don't like flying, especially half way round the world.
I attend a Presbyterian Church which holds to the Westminster confession of faith. It is flexible on matters that are not foundational to salvation and it too teaches His word which is why I attend. It is a small congregation that is family and mission oriented.
You should get out of your bubble and meet more people then.
There are plenty here on this forum alone that disagree with you and are more aligned with what I have said even if they don't agree with everything.
You have a nice day. I think all that needs be said, has been said.
grace and peace
Matt 7:14
For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
This is not a salvation verse. This is abundant life while we run the race.
What, 90% or better of believers believe in getting dunked in water and following "morality?"......The majority have found these "Christian rules."
FEW find abundant life......This is why you have never heard of what @sawdust is telling you.......Best pay attention, few find it.
He explained some things but unless your Pentecostal Churches in America are very different to the Pentecostal churches in Australia? I found some things he said very surprising, even shocking.
He explained some things but unless your Pentecostal Churches in America are very different to the Pentecostal churches in Australia? I found some things he said very surprising, even shocking.
They are starting to "move" more reformed/calvie/tulip IMO......In America.
That was King James.
And, you could not tell me what it means!
That proved my point.
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from
your fathers. 1 Peter 1:18
Know what "vain conversation" means?
So you stick by the Word of God that you can not understand.
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Yes, you gave us your interpretation of it and ignored the scriptures I shared, never explaining how they fit together. We are saved by believing on Christ and you actually never showed me one scripture that said that, I showed you that scripture. You want to throw everyone in the water to save them. Funny how it killed those in the Exodus and the Flood.
Every Christian I know believes in the Trinity and that we are saved in Christ. You don't believe in the Trinity and think we are saved in water. Even those I know who add water baptism don't believe it is what saves them but that it is the public announcing of their faith. It is purely symbolic.
I asked which Church you attend so I could look at the teaching and get a better idea of why you believe as you do. There are aspects which are definitely not traditional Christianity and some would say you are not a Christian because of it. I am surprised (half surprised at least) that it is a Pentecostal Church. They usually have an emphasis on the work of the Spirit to the detriment of the Father and Son and I know of no mainstream Pentecostal Church here in Australia that doesn't teach the Trinity as foundational doctrine. Your desire to see me speak in tongues doesn't surprise me but you also seem to be a KJV only type as well, that is surprising.
I won't be visiting, I don't like flying, especially half way round the world.
I attend a Presbyterian Church which holds to the Westminster confession of faith. It is flexible on matters that are not foundational to salvation and it too teaches His word which is why I attend. It is a small congregation that is family and mission oriented.
You should get out of your bubble and meet more people then.
There are plenty here on this forum alone that disagree with you and are more aligned with what I have said even if they don't agree with everything.
You have a nice day. I think all that needs be said, has been said.
grace and peace
We all have choices to make, we could debated HIS word more but you made statements that I questioned you because they do not line up with HIS word and you never replied or backed them up with scripture so why?
Like Paul saw a problem in Acts 19 he asked questions, those who he asked questions to replied and they TOGETHER figured out the problem then resolved it do to obedince.
OUR walk is between US and JESUS alone when we stand infront of HIM HE will be the one judging us with HIS rule book.
No best friend, pastor, man or internet sight will come into play, JUST YOU AND HIM.
What ever church we go to when the preacher says something WE NEED TO LOOK it up in HIS word and keep the pastor in check not just follow him blindly !!
I was there once, he's the pastor right??
You say you were filled with the living water which is the Holy Ghost but you never spoke in tongues, if you were filled you would have.
You think you were filled with the living water and it got rid of your sins.
FINE WITH ME!!! I'M NOT DEBATING YOU, I am just pointing out what you say does not line up with HIS word.
I don't get into denomantions becasue why so many? ONE GOD and so many different denomantions why?
Men don't like HIS word so they just start another church, just like you do not accept HIS word but follow your own understanding or others of men.
The ONLY reason I tithe at my church is because they know how to be reborn!!!!!!
If I tithed at a church which preaches just say this prayer and your saved, THEM I'M PAYING FOR THAT MESSAGE TO BE PREACHED and people will be lost and I will have blood on my hands.
Can't enter Heaven with sin or not having the Holy Ghost.
I'm not debating with you, you are set in you ways and refuse to look in HIS word to back up what you say for your self.
So why couldn't we agree on anything?
I use HIS WORD as my foudation, you don't.
We have different rule books!
Best of luck, we should always be learning from JESUS or others and need to be humble.
He spoke Aramaic. How's your Aramaic going?
Who do you follow?
FYI, I follow JESUS and HIS rule book and it says to be baptized in JESUS name to remove our sins.
In Acts 2, 8, 10 and 19 all confirms it.
Then Paul speaks of its importance in his letters.
I have noticed that baptism is the most debated agurment where ever I go.
Why is it augred over so much?
Satan knows what happen's in the water his plan is to keep people out of it and it's working.
I don't follow any man who doeont' follow JESUS AND HIS WORD.
You are more then welcome sawdust and other who don't follow JESUS and HIS word all you like.
It's called free will, you are right few find it!!!
Best of luck.
What church I go to doesn't matter, I only share HIS WORD and not any denomantion.
Now you know if you want to be reborn what church to go to.
Sad isn't it most churchs don't follow how to be reborn according to HIS word.
What is your problem with the Pentecostal church?
You wanted me to explain what vain conversation means??
Why didn't you ask???
It's like talking to people on this sight when they expalin what HIS word say with changes the meaning of HIS word.
It's "usless" becuse when we debate with them they have there own rule book.
If we are not using the same rule book it's all waisted time.
How do you think we get rid of our sins??
What do you think happens when JESUS fills us with the Holy Ghost?
It's interesting is it not, that it is written that nature itself declares what may be known of God and yet some continue to appeal to the parables that were themselves masked in hidden meaning, and they overlay that masking onto all the word of God?
That's nothing more than a revealing of their inner desire to keep the rest of scripture on the same level of personal interpretation, which is to say, "I will interpret the word of God on the basis of allegory and ethereal vapor so that I can then make it say whatever I want it to say in order to force it into conformity with my personal beliefs."
That they have so much fake license for such renders them outside the realm of rational discussion when there's no common basis for grounding in hermeneutical rules. They may as well be reading from the false god's Koran while we from the truly inspired word of the true God in the Bible. It's useless to engage minds so far gone over the edge of their flat earth into the mists of continual falling through the dead airs of subjectivism. There's no rational grounding where solidity exists for footing.
Continuing to engage with them is like you trying to keep your feet under you while slipping all over the place on the ice of a frozen
pond while they stand on the grounding of the terrain of subjectivity that only they can root themselves upon the sands of intellectual dishonesty.
MM
What questions? I backed up everything I said and explained the verses you put forward. You disagreed with my explanations therefore you considered that as not answering which is a technique people like to use to excuse their inability to debate properly.
Do all speak in tongues? No. 1Cor.12:30 The jailer in Acts 16 didn't and I bet you have no idea why he did not.
Of course you're not debating me because you can't. You have no explanation for the verses I raise, you simply ignore them.
Sigh, so typical. When people cannot discuss what they don't know, they simply resort to accusations.
More accusations from the depths of your own insecurities. I will pray for you my friend.
grace and peace.