Salvation Is In No Other Name

[homwardbound]

Understanding baptism through the lens of Jewish purification, apostolic preaching & the New Covenant High Priest.
(NOTE: Source: Jewish Virtual Library, Topical Bible, Sefaria & Hirsch)

Under the Mosaic Law, Israel practiced many ceremonial water‑purification immersions (Ex 30:19–21, 40:12, Lev 6:27, 13:54, 14:8–9, 15:16; 16:4, 22:6). Every Israelite understood these washings. Someone who was impure/unclean before immersion was considered pure/clean after immersion. These were ceremonial purifications, not forgiveness rituals

A mikveh full immersion purification ritual expressed: I acknowledge I've been in an unclean state, I'm turning away from that state, I'm returning to covenant faithfulness, I'm restoring my ritual status before God & community
(NOTE: Sources — Jewish Virtual Library; Topical Bible; Sefaria; Rabbi Samson R. Hirsch)

Unclean → immerse → clean.

Impure → immerse → pure.

Out of fellowship → immerse → restored. These immersions never removed sin. They restored ritual purity, not forgiveness.

John, Jesus, & Peter all spoke Aramaic & Hebrew, where repent meant Israel, return to God: Strong's Hebrew: 7725. שׁוּב (shub) -- Return, turn back, restore, repent

This is exactly how the Jews interpreted baptism.
John 3:25 says a dispute arose between John's disciples & a Jew "about purification". The debate wasn't about forgiveness or salvation, it was about purification. That's the category mikveh immersion/baptism expressed.
(NOTE: John the Baptist, his disciples, & Jesus' disciples all performed the baptism of repentance (Acts 19:4). This was a Jewish purification immersion ritual, unrelated to remission. John 3:25 confirms the crowds understood these baptisms as purification washings, preparing Israel to return to God & believe in the coming Messiah.

Acts 2, Peter is speaking to a Jewish audience using Jewish purification categories. Repent > return to God. Baptism > purification washing. Neither word means "water causes salvation."

Acts 2:1–4, The 120 received the Holy Spirit & were FOREVER (Jn 14:16) SEALED (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) & saved BEFORE WATER. So water IS NOT/CAN NOT be the saving agent. This destroys the idea that Peter is giving a water salvation formula.

Remission in the NAME, Not the Water
Acts 2:38, Repent, and be baptized every one of you "in the name of Jesus Christ" "for" "the remission of sins", and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
(NOTE: Repent = return to God. Be baptized = purify yourself (unclean > clean). Remission comes by calling on the Messiah, not by water. Peter is speaking to Israel, using the same purification categories they ALL knew)

Peter already said in Acts 2:21:
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. He doesn't contradict himself 17 verses later. This locks the remission category where Scripture puts it. IN THE NAME!

Peter himself explains Acts 2:38 in Acts 10:
Cornelius believed, received forgiveness through His NAME, received the Holy Spirit & was accepted by God before water.

Peter then says:
They HAVE received the Holy Spirit, can anyone forbid water? If they already HAVE the Spirit, water cannot be the cause of salvation.

In every conversion in Acts:
HEAR, BELIEVE, RECEIVE > the Spirit, THEN water baptism. Never the reverse.

Paul agrees with Peter:
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(NOTE: Paul say EXACTLY the same thing Peter Quoted Joel saying. Calling on the NAME is the CAUSE)

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].
(NOTE: They HEARD > BELIEVED > REVEIVED the HOLY SPIRIT & are NOW OWNED & PROTECTED by GOD & NO WATER NEEDED!)

Finally:
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: For by "ONE SPIRIT" we are "ALL BAPTIZED" "INTO ONE BODY! Translators capitalized Spirit to identify when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with HIS salvation sealing forever indwelling Holy Spirit.)

Spiritual baptism is the event where, through repentance > from unbelief to belief/FAITH. Placed in Jesus sacrificial sin atoning death & resurrection. The believer is FOREVER (Jn 14:16) indwelt/BAPTIZED via Christ's salvation SEALNG (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14), eternal life giving (Jn 10:28) Holy Spirit!

Spiritual baptism doesn't require any hands or H2O.

Col 2:11 In whom also ""ye are circumcised with the circumcision"" ""made without hands"", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh ""by the circumcision of Christ""
(NOTE: The baptism of the ETERNALLY SEALING (2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, Eph 4:4) FOREVER INDWELLING (Jn14:16) Holy Spirit is a ""Spiritual Circumcision Covenant"" done ""by Christ Alone"", WITHOUT HANDS & WITHOUT WATER.)

Thanks for the post. I got out of your post. People that are getting water Baptized are being Baptized into a Church building, and then placed under that Church's leadership. These persons are placed into the leaders there to grow us up.to teach us what scripture means. I was there at one point. And I got deeply worse at sinning over and over and over again and again, not wanting to sin, yet did, I relate to Romans 7. And in that Church, Baptist I was guilty, guilty, guilty, I was overwhelmed with guilt, that I took to the pastor, and listened to the pastor reasonings. I remained guilty, and was really not wanting to sin, yet did, Wow, woe was me until Isaiah 6:1-7 was revealed from God to me. Then I had bad habits in my way. I have watched over time and time again, God not ever forsake me and has taken it away from within me. Yet being in an body of unredeemed flesh I know now to die daily to the first born flesh, to be alive daily to Father in risen Son for me.
I just saw all this as I read your post on water Baptism. That John said he will decrease and Christ is to increase. John only Baptized With water, as Jesus with the Holy Spirit. To this day that has not taken place. Water Baptism, from a Church got me into much deeper sinning than, I was prior to getting water Baptized at that particular Church. I became aware and then I had to quit sin and tried, which no flesh can quit and be perfect, This be the reason Son came to earth to reconcile everyone first as are forgiven through him in his one time death only, brings people unto Father for us, who gives new life to the first born flesh in Spirit and Truth only John 4:23-24
Here we all are today, (not all) keeping Water Baptism as the way, at least part of the way to be in with Father and Son. Now as I read I heard God's enemies, the flesh self evil, and spiritual evil has interfered in the done work of Son, carrying on water Baptism.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

I see how deeply evil has infiltrated into Buildings now, and many people are following people and demons, not knowing they are evil.
Thank you for the post, thanking my Father for the revelation

 

[Ouch]

Acts 10:44 & Eph 1:13, provide the doctrinal evidence that salvation occurs at the point of faith, placed in Jesus, prior to any ritual action.

In Acts 10:44, the Holy Spirit falls upon Cornelius & his household while Peter is still speaking. The narrative is careful to note that this occurs before baptism (Acts 10:47). Peter later interprets this event at the Jerusalem Council, stating that God "purified their hearts by faith" (Acts 15:9). This is the inspired apostolic explanation of what happened. The Spirit's coming is consistently presented in Scripture as the definitive marker of salvation (Rom 8:9; Gal 3:2; Eph 1:13). Therefore, the text itself requires us to conclude that Cornelius was saved at the moment he believed.

Eph 1:13 provides the doctrinal counterpart to the narrative. Paul outlines the sequence with precision:
Hearing the word of truth > Believing the gospel > Being sealed with the Holy Spirit

FAITH placed in Jesus saves, the BLOOD washes away sin & Jesus Holy Spirit baptism SEALS the believers salvation. Water is never cause of salvation.

No additional steps are needed FAITH & SEALING. Jesus Holy Spirit baptisms SEALING is the divine confirmation of salvation & Paul treats it as such. The text does not allow for a later sacramental trigger.

These passages do not diminish the importance of baptism as an act of obedience, identification with Jesus death & resurrection & public confession. But they do make clear that baptism is not the instrument of remission or the means by which salvation is conferred.

The New Testament consistently attributes forgiveness, justification & spiritual life to faith in Christ & to the application of His atoning work, not to external rites.

The Scriptures themselves present both a narrative example Acts 10 (confirmed by scripture Acts 15:9) & a doctrinal explanation (Eph 1:13) in which salvation is explicitly tied to faith prior to any ritual action. Any theological system that denies this must explain why the apostolic witness does not align with its claims.

You must have missed this.

THIS IS A CHALLENGE TO YOU!!!!

PROVE YOU ARE RIGHT ON HOW TO BE REBORN.

Can you prove your right without telling us what GOD'S word says and means, let HIM do the talking ONLY?

Don't explain scripture, let it explain it self!!!

Using SCRIPTURE ONLY tell us how to be reborn, SCRIPTURE ONLY!!!

NOT ONE OTHER WORD.

You like telling us what HIS word says and means but you don't LIKE WHAT HIS WORD SAYS AND MEANS.

Which leads people astray, including yourself.

So prove your right, show us how to be reborn using HIS WORD ONLY.

 

[Ouch]

Thanks for the post. I got out of your post. People that are getting water Baptized are being Baptized into a Church building, and then placed under that Church's leadership. These persons are placed into the leaders there to grow us up.to teach us what scripture means. I was there at one point. And I got deeply worse at sinning over and over and over again and again, not wanting to sin, yet did, I relate to Romans 7. And in that Church, Baptist I was guilty, guilty, guilty, I was overwhelmed with guilt, that I took to the pastor, and listened to the pastor reasonings. I remained guilty, and was really not wanting to sin, yet did, Wow, woe was me until Isaiah 6:1-7 was revealed from God to me. Then I had bad habits in my way. I have watched over time and time again, God not ever forsake me and has taken it away from within me. Yet being in an body of unredeemed flesh I know now to die daily to the first born flesh, to be alive daily to Father in risen Son for me.
I just saw all this as I read your post on water Baptism. That John said he will decrease and Christ is to increase. John only Baptized With water, as Jesus with the Holy Spirit. To this day that has not taken place. Water Baptism, from a Church got me into much deeper sinning than, I was prior to getting water Baptized at that particular Church. I became aware and then I had to quit sin and tried, which no flesh can quit and be perfect, This be the reason Son came to earth to reconcile everyone first as are forgiven through him in his one time death only, brings people unto Father for us, who gives new life to the first born flesh in Spirit and Truth only John 4:23-24
Here we all are today, (not all) keeping Water Baptism as the way, at least part of the way to be in with Father and Son. Now as I read I heard God's enemies, the flesh self evil, and spiritual evil has interfered in the done work of Son, carrying on water Baptism.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

I see how deeply evil has infiltrated into Buildings now, and many people are following people and demons, not knowing they are evil.
Thank you for the post, thanking my Father for the revelation

Why would you say this?

"People that are getting water Baptized are being Baptized into a Church building, and then placed under that Church's leadership"

Where does that come from?

How do you know that?

 

[FlyingDove]

Baptism - John the Baptist - Peter - Jesus & Remission

Scripture Study Principles
All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us.

Myles Coverdale's classic interpretive grid still holds:
Of whom is it spoken? To whom? With what words? At what time? Under what circumstances? What comes before & after? What is the intent?

In short:
What's the timeframe? Who's writing? Who's being addressed? What's happening? What's the context before & after?

Acts: A Transition Book
Acts maps the shift from the dispensation of Law to the dispensation of Grace. John the Baptist never baptized a Gentile in the Judean wilderness & no Gentile receives the Holy Spirit at Pentecost on the Temple Mount (Acts 2). The categories are 100% Jewish from start to finish.

Understanding Baptism Through Jewish Eyes
(NOTE: Source: Jewish Virtual Library, Topical Bible, Sefaria & Hirsch)

Under the Mosaic Law, Israel practiced many ceremonial water‑purification immersions (Ex 30; Lev 6, 13–16, 22). Every Israelite understood the pattern:
Unclean > immerse > clean.

Impure > immerse > pure.

Out of fellowship > immerse > restored.

These immersions never removed sin. They restored ritual purity, not forgiveness.

A full Mikveh (precursor to NT baptism) immersion purification ritual expressed: I acknowledge I've been in an unclean state, I'm turning away from that state, I'm returning to covenant faithfulness, I'm restoring my ritual status before God & community

John, Jesus, & Peter all spoke Aramaic & Hebrew, where repent meant > return to God. See Strong's Hebrew repent: h7725. שׁוּב (shub) -- Return, turn back, restore

Category Is Purification:
John 3:25 records a dispute between John's disciples about purification. Not forgiveness. Not salvation. PURIFICATION! This is exactly how Jews interpreted immersion.
(NOTE: John the Baptist, his disciples, & Jesus' disciples all performed the baptism of repentance.

Acts 19:4 confirms John's baptism was a baptism of repentance, preparing Israel to believe in the coming Messiah. It was not a remission ritual.

John the Baptist's mission was to prepare the way of the Lord (Mal 3:1 & Matt 3:3). His "baptism of repentance" was preparatory, not remissive.
Confession of sins = acknowledging they had turned away > Immersion = becoming ceremonially clean > This is Mosaic purification, not atonement.

Acts & the Purification Pattern

Acts 2:38
Repent, and be baptized every one of you "in the name of Jesus Christ" "for" "the remission of sins", and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
(NOTE: Repent = return to God. Be baptized = purify yourself (unclean > clean). Remission comes by calling on the Messiah, not by water. Peter is speaking to Israel, using the same purification categories they ALL knew)

Acts 22:16 “Be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
(NOTE: The washing is symbolic > the calling is effective.)

Acts 8:12 “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
(NOTE: They believed Philip's preaching, then were baptized. Faith precedes water. Remission is tied to Christ, not immersion.)

"Nothing external removes sin."

Faith in ehe NAME saves, Faith in the BLOOD removes sin & the Jesus HOLY SPIRIT Baptism Forever seals the believers salvation. Water is a obedience response.

Scripture is clear:
"Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22).

Jesus said, “This is My blood > shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:28).

He washed us from our sins in His own blood (Rev 1:5).

Foreshadow & Fulfillment

Lev 16:21, Aaron laid both hands on the substitute, confessed the sins of the nation & imputes/transfers the sins onto the innocent victim. That was the foreshadow.

Jesus is the fulfillment.

Heb identifies Jesus as our great High Priest (Heb 4:14), called by God after the order of Melchizedek (Heb 5:10) & Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb 9:15; 12:24)

Under the Old Covenant, the priest transferred sin. Under the New Covenant, Christ performs the real sin‑transfer.

When we call on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21 & Rom 10:13) & place our faith in Jesus' sin-atoning death & resurrection, He forgives all our sins (Heb 10:10–18) & imputes our sins onto Himself (Heb 10:10; 2 Cor 5:19; Rom 4:8, 11, 22–24). At that same moment, He baptizes the believer with His forever (Jn 14:16), salvation‑sealing (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22, 2 Cor 5:5) indwelling Holy Spirit in you.

Anyone can immerse someone into water. Only Jesus, who knows the true heart, can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit. Jesus then imputes His righteousness to us (2 Cor 5:21, Ja 2:23 & Isa 61:10), the righteousness pictured as the white robe in Rev 19:7–8 that grants us entrance to the marriage supper of the Lamb.

Salvation Across the Ages

Before the incarnation, God required FAITH in the promised Messiah who would come (Gen 15:6 & Isa 53). During Jesus' earthly ministry, people were called to BELIEVE that He was the Messiah (Jn 20:31). After His death & resurrection, salvation is accessed through FAITH (Rom 5:1-2) in His finished, sin‑atoning work (Rom 3:25–26 & 1 Cor 15:1–4). In every era, salvation has always been by FAITH in God's Messiah & never by ritual, never by water, never by external acts.

The Gentile Timeline
Acts shows a deliberate 7–10 year gap between:
Gentile inclusion (Cornelius, Acts 10), Gentile evangelism (Paul, Acts 13), Even after Cornelius, the Jerusalem church preached "to Jews only" (Acts 11:19). The categories remained Jewish long after Pentecost.

This matters:
Neither John's water baptism nor early Acts water baptisms were ever the mechanism of remission. Water purified the ceremonially unclean. Only blood removes sin (Lev 17:11).

Two Sacraments every Believer should Partake in:

Water Baptism, a public identification with Jesus death & resurrection. An act of obedience/a gateway to discipleship. This undertaking is an outward physical expression, of the inner spiritual transformation activated, when Christ baptized you with His eternal life giving Holy Spirit.

Communion, both these actions are commanded acts are commanded by the Lord Himself. Neither action is the doorway leading to eternal salvation. These events follow the salvation sealing Holy Spirit baptism, performed by Christ alone. See Matt 3:11, Lk 3:16, Mk 1:8, Jn 1:33, Acts 1:4-5, 2:38, 10:45, 11:16)

Conclusion
The only thing that removes sin from the soul is FAITH placed in the finished, sacrificial, sin‑atoning work of our great God & Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.

 

[Ouch]

Baptism - John the Baptist - Peter - Jesus & Remission

Scripture Study Principles
All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us.

Myles Coverdale's classic interpretive grid still holds:
Of whom is it spoken? To whom? With what words? At what time? Under what circumstances? What comes before & after? What is the intent?

In short:
What's the timeframe? Who's writing? Who's being addressed? What's happening? What's the context before & after?

Acts: A Transition Book
Acts maps the shift from the dispensation of Law to the dispensation of Grace. John the Baptist never baptized a Gentile in the Judean wilderness & no Gentile receives the Holy Spirit at Pentecost on the Temple Mount (Acts 2). The categories are 100% Jewish from start to finish.

Understanding Baptism Through Jewish Eyes
(NOTE: Source: Jewish Virtual Library, Topical Bible, Sefaria & Hirsch)

Under the Mosaic Law, Israel practiced many ceremonial water‑purification immersions (Ex 30; Lev 6, 13–16, 22). Every Israelite understood the pattern:
Unclean > immerse > clean.

Impure > immerse > pure.

Out of fellowship > immerse > restored.

These immersions never removed sin. They restored ritual purity, not forgiveness.

A full Mikveh (precursor to NT baptism) immersion purification ritual expressed: I acknowledge I've been in an unclean state, I'm turning away from that state, I'm returning to covenant faithfulness, I'm restoring my ritual status before God & community

John, Jesus, & Peter all spoke Aramaic & Hebrew, where repent meant > return to God. See Strong's Hebrew repent: h7725. שׁוּב (shub) -- Return, turn back, restore

Category Is Purification:
John 3:25 records a dispute between John's disciples about purification. Not forgiveness. Not salvation. PURIFICATION! This is exactly how Jews interpreted immersion.
(NOTE: John the Baptist, his disciples, & Jesus' disciples all performed the baptism of repentance.

Acts 19:4 confirms John's baptism was a baptism of repentance, preparing Israel to believe in the coming Messiah. It was not a remission ritual.

John the Baptist's mission was to prepare the way of the Lord (Mal 3:1 & Matt 3:3). His "baptism of repentance" was preparatory, not remissive.
Confession of sins = acknowledging they had turned away > Immersion = becoming ceremonially clean > This is Mosaic purification, not atonement.

Acts & the Purification Pattern

Acts 2:38
Repent, and be baptized every one of you "in the name of Jesus Christ" "for" "the remission of sins", and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
(NOTE: Repent = return to God. Be baptized = purify yourself (unclean > clean). Remission comes by calling on the Messiah, not by water. Peter is speaking to Israel, using the same purification categories they ALL knew)

Acts 22:16 “Be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
(NOTE: The washing is symbolic > the calling is effective.)

Acts 8:12 “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
(NOTE: They believed Philip's preaching, then were baptized. Faith precedes water. Remission is tied to Christ, not immersion.)

"Nothing external removes sin."

Faith in ehe NAME saves, Faith in the BLOOD removes sin & the Jesus HOLY SPIRIT Baptism Forever seals the believers salvation. Water is a obedience response.

Scripture is clear:
"Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22).

Jesus said, “This is My blood > shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:28).

He washed us from our sins in His own blood (Rev 1:5).

Foreshadow & Fulfillment

Lev 16:21, Aaron laid both hands on the substitute, confessed the sins of the nation & imputes/transfers the sins onto the innocent victim. That was the foreshadow.

Jesus is the fulfillment.

Heb identifies Jesus as our great High Priest (Heb 4:14), called by God after the order of Melchizedek (Heb 5:10) & Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb 9:15; 12:24)

Under the Old Covenant, the priest transferred sin. Under the New Covenant, Christ performs the real sin‑transfer.

When we call on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21 & Rom 10:13) & place our faith in Jesus' sin-atoning death & resurrection, He forgives all our sins (Heb 10:10–18) & imputes our sins onto Himself (Heb 10:10; 2 Cor 5:19; Rom 4:8, 11, 22–24). At that same moment, He baptizes the believer with His forever (Jn 14:16), salvation‑sealing (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22, 2 Cor 5:5) indwelling Holy Spirit in you.

Anyone can immerse someone into water. Only Jesus, who knows the true heart, can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit. Jesus then imputes His righteousness to us (2 Cor 5:21, Ja 2:23 & Isa 61:10), the righteousness pictured as the white robe in Rev 19:7–8 that grants us entrance to the marriage supper of the Lamb.

Salvation Across the Ages

Before the incarnation, God required FAITH in the promised Messiah who would come (Gen 15:6 & Isa 53). During Jesus' earthly ministry, people were called to BELIEVE that He was the Messiah (Jn 20:31). After His death & resurrection, salvation is accessed through FAITH (Rom 5:1-2) in His finished, sin‑atoning work (Rom 3:25–26 & 1 Cor 15:1–4). In every era, salvation has always been by FAITH in God's Messiah & never by ritual, never by water, never by external acts.

The Gentile Timeline
Acts shows a deliberate 7–10 year gap between:
Gentile inclusion (Cornelius, Acts 10), Gentile evangelism (Paul, Acts 13), Even after Cornelius, the Jerusalem church preached "to Jews only" (Acts 11:19). The categories remained Jewish long after Pentecost.

This matters:
Neither John's water baptism nor early Acts water baptisms were ever the mechanism of remission. Water purified the ceremonially unclean. Only blood removes sin (Lev 17:11).

Two Sacraments every Believer should Partake in:

Water Baptism, a public identification with Jesus death & resurrection. An act of obedience/a gateway to discipleship. This undertaking is an outward physical expression, of the inner spiritual transformation activated, when Christ baptized you with His eternal life giving Holy Spirit.

Communion, both these actions are commanded acts are commanded by the Lord Himself. Neither action is the doorway leading to eternal salvation. These events follow the salvation sealing Holy Spirit baptism, performed by Christ alone. See Matt 3:11, Lk 3:16, Mk 1:8, Jn 1:33, Acts 1:4-5, 2:38, 10:45, 11:16)

Conclusion
The only thing that removes sin from the soul is FAITH placed in the finished, sacrificial, sin‑atoning work of our great God & Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.

You must have missed this AGAIN!!!

THIS IS A CHALLENGE TO YOU!!!!

PROVE YOU ARE RIGHT ON HOW TO BE REBORN.

Can you prove your right without telling us what GOD'S word says and means, let HIM do the talking ONLY?

Don't explain scripture, let it explain it self!!!

Using SCRIPTURE ONLY tell us how to be reborn, SCRIPTURE ONLY!!!

NOT ONE OTHER WORD.

You like telling us what HIS word says and means but you don't LIKE WHAT HIS WORD SAYS AND MEANS.

Which leads people astray, including yourself.

So prove your right, show us how to be reborn using HIS WORD ONLY.

You do know if you have people who belive you their blood will be on your hands rigth?

 

[FlyingDove]

Gentiles Hear Good News & thru FAITH ALONE Jesus baptizes them with His FOREVER (Jn 14:16) SALVATION SEALING (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) Holy Spirit

Acts 10:35 Opening his mouth, Peter said: “Most certainly I understand now that God is not one to show partiality [to people as though Gentiles were excluded from God’s blessing],

36 but in every nation the person who fears God and does what is right [by seeking Him] is acceptable and welcomed by Him.

37 You know the message which He sent to the sons of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all—

38 you know the things that have taken place throughout Judea, starting in Galilee after the baptism preached by John—

39 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with great power; and He went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.

40 We are [personally] eyewitnesses of everything that He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem [in particular]. They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross;

41 God raised Him [to life] on the third day and caused Him to be plainly seen,

42 not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen and designated beforehand by God, that is, to us who ate and drank together with Him after He rose from the dead.

43 He commanded us to preach to the people [both Jew and Gentile], and to solemnly testify that He is the One who has been appointed and ordained by God as Judge of the living and the dead.

44 “All the prophets testify about Him, that through His name everyone who believes in Him [whoever trusts in and relies on Him, accepting Him as Savior and Messiah] receives forgiveness of sins.”

45 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who were listening to the message [confirming God’s acceptance of Gentiles]. 46All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.

Gentiles Hear Good News & thru FAITH ALONE Jesus baptizes them with His FOREVER (Jn 14:16) SALVATION SEALING (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) Holy Spirit.

Eph 1:
13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].

14 The Spirit is the guarantee [the first installment, the pledge, a foretaste] of our inheritance until the redemption of God’s own [purchased] possession [His believers], to the praise of His glory.

They HEARD > BELIEVED & RECEIVED! FAITH ALONE PERIOD!

Matthew 10:32 Jesus said; Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Mark 9:37 (B) Jesus said; Whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

John:3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 11:26 Jesus said; whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

 

[Ouch]

Gentiles Hear Good News & thru FAITH ALONE Jesus baptizes them with His FOREVER (Jn 14:16) SALVATION SEALING (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) Holy Spirit

Acts 10:35 Opening his mouth, Peter said: “Most certainly I understand now that God is not one to show partiality [to people as though Gentiles were excluded from God’s blessing],

36 but in every nation the person who fears God and does what is right [by seeking Him] is acceptable and welcomed by Him.

37 You know the message which He sent to the sons of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all—

38 you know the things that have taken place throughout Judea, starting in Galilee after the baptism preached by John—

39 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with great power; and He went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.

40 We are [personally] eyewitnesses of everything that He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem [in particular]. They also put Him to death by hanging Him on a cross;

41 God raised Him [to life] on the third day and caused Him to be plainly seen,

42 not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen and designated beforehand by God, that is, to us who ate and drank together with Him after He rose from the dead.

43 He commanded us to preach to the people [both Jew and Gentile], and to solemnly testify that He is the One who has been appointed and ordained by God as Judge of the living and the dead.

44 “All the prophets testify about Him, that through His name everyone who believes in Him [whoever trusts in and relies on Him, accepting Him as Savior and Messiah] receives forgiveness of sins.”

45 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who were listening to the message [confirming God’s acceptance of Gentiles]. 46All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.

Gentiles Hear Good News & thru FAITH ALONE Jesus baptizes them with His FOREVER (Jn 14:16) SALVATION SEALING (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) Holy Spirit.

Eph 1:
13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].

14 The Spirit is the guarantee [the first installment, the pledge, a foretaste] of our inheritance until the redemption of God’s own [purchased] possession [His believers], to the praise of His glory.

They HEARD > BELIEVED & RECEIVED! FAITH ALONE PERIOD!

Matthew 10:32 Jesus said; Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Mark 9:37 (B) Jesus said; Whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

John:3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 11:26 Jesus said; whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Just can't do it???

Why not just say so???

 

[FlyingDove]

Acts 10:44 & Eph 1:13, provide the doctrinal evidence that salvation occurs at the point of faith, placed in Jesus, prior to any ritual action.

In Acts 10:44, the Holy Spirit falls upon Cornelius & his household while Peter is still speaking. The narrative is careful to note that this occurs before baptism (Acts 10:47). Peter later interprets this event at the Jerusalem Council, stating that God "purified their hearts by faith" (Acts 15:9). This is the inspired apostolic explanation of what happened. The Spirit's coming is consistently presented in Scripture as the definitive marker of salvation (Rom 8:9; Gal 3:2; Eph 1:13). Therefore, the text itself requires us to conclude that Cornelius was saved at the moment he believed.

Eph 1:13 provides the doctrinal counterpart to the narrative. Paul outlines the sequence with precision:
Hearing the word of truth > Believing the gospel > Being sealed with the Holy Spirit

FAITH placed in Jesus saves, the BLOOD washes away sin & Jesus Holy Spirit baptism SEALS the believers salvation. Water is never cause of salvation.

No additional steps are needed FAITH & SEALING. Jesus Holy Spirit baptisms SEALING is the divine confirmation of salvation & Paul treats it as such. The text does not allow for a later sacramental trigger.

These passages do not diminish the importance of baptism as an act of obedience, identification with Jesus death & resurrection & public confession. But they do make clear that baptism is not the instrument of remission or the means by which salvation is conferred.

The New Testament consistently attributes forgiveness, justification & spiritual life to faith in Christ & to the application of His atoning work, not to external rites.

The Scriptures themselves present both a narrative example Acts 10 (confirmed by scripture Acts 15:9) & a doctrinal explanation (Eph 1:13) in which salvation is explicitly tied to faith prior to any ritual action. Any theological system that denies this must explain why the apostolic witness does not align with its claims.

 

[homwardbound]

Why would you say this?

"People that are getting water Baptized are being Baptized into a Church building, and then placed under that Church's leadership"

Where does that come from?

How do you know that?

Experience! I stated it all in the post
Water Baptism is not Spirit Baptism
No flesh after the done work of Son will ever please Father
Romans 8:1-3, you are called also, to believe God between God and you. Not to be led by self flesh or any other flesh Phil 3 I gave up Law in order to win the risen Son to do his done work for all through me in lo ve and mercy to all. John 13:34
Son is risen no more known as Son in flesh 2 Cor 5:16 we by Son are all reconciled as if never sinned from Father's sight thank you Jesus! 2 Cor 5:17-22
I am trusting God for you to see it and stand in it Col 1:21-23 Thank you God is for us all to not harm each other anymore, that is the call, which Son won thgrpough true Love of Father tom us all 1 Cor 13:4-7
The Epistles call for love and mercy to all, to edify one another not abuse, accuse or excuse anyone including self anymore
Thank you in love to you from Father and Son to you too

 

[Ouch]

Experience! I stated it all in the post
Water Baptism is not Spirit Baptism
No flesh after the done work of Son will ever please Father
Romans 8:1-3, you are called also, to believe God between God and you. Not to be led by self flesh or any other flesh Phil 3 I gave up Law in order to win the risen Son to do his done work for all through me in lo ve and mercy to all. John 13:34
Son is risen no more known as Son in flesh 2 Cor 5:16 we by Son are all reconciled as if never sinned from Father's sight thank you Jesus! 2 Cor 5:17-22
I am trusting God for you to see it and stand in it Col 1:21-23 Thank you God is for us all to not harm each other anymore, that is the call, which Son won thgrpough true Love of Father tom us all 1 Cor 13:4-7
The Epistles call for love and mercy to all, to edify one another not abuse, accuse or excuse anyone including self anymore
Thank you in love to you from Father and Son to you too

I can see some church's misrepresenting GOD's word into being baptized into a church, of course not bible.

Is that what you mean?

That is why we should not follow man!

You are right, water baptism in JESUS name is something we have to obey and do to remove our sins! Acts 2:38, 22:16

Can't enter Heaven with sin!!

Being filled with the Holy Ghost of bapism of the spirit is something JESUS has to do!

Can't enter Heaven without the Holy Ghost!! John 3:5

 

[homwardbound]

I can see some church's misrepresenting GOD's word into being baptized into a church, of course not bible.

Is that what you mean?

That is why we should not follow man!

You are right, water baptism in JESUS name is something we have to obey and do to remove our sins! Acts 2:38, 22:16

Can't enter Heaven with sin!!

Being filled with the Holy Ghost of bapism of the spirit is something JESUS has to do!

Can't enter Heaven without the Holy Ghost!! John 3:5

Water Baptism does not remove sin(s)
1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto evenbaptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a goodconscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1 Timothy 1:5
Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and ofa good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

have you not read as well
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Do you seriously think that attitude is not happening today in Church buildings?
Where is the true Tabernacle, Church at? actually is the Ecclesia, not Church
Hebrews 8:1-4. Is it here on earth or in Heaven? Where is Son at? Who is here presently, It is Father in Spirit and Truth is it not?
Brother, in risen Son, God loves us all equally. I know what I see and have seen and even been behind the scenes and have seen the hypocrisy.
I know to stand in Col 1:21-23 God as my Savior in risen Son for me. I know what he did is done for us all 1 John 2:1-27
Grace
Yet, since God says, "BUT NOW the righteousness of God without the law is
29manifested" (Rom. 3:21); "To him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that
justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Rom. 4:5); "Being
Justified freely by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus"
(Rom. 3:24); "In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of
sins according to the riches of His grace" (Eph. 1:7); "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us"
(Tit. 3:5); "Not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man
should boast" (Eph. 2:8,9) - when God now says this, what will faith do? Faith
will say, "This is the most wonderful offer ever made by God to man. I cannot
refuse it. I will trust Christ as my Savior and accept salvation as the free gift of
God's grace."
Therefore, in Son is it Done?
John 19:30, what did he do? Fulfilled Law and the Prophets that predicted his coming. Matthew 5:17 for people that turn to God Father in belief Son is risen where the new life in God's Spirit and Truth begins, John 4:23-24 All Law fulfilled by God, no one else. Time to Uphold Law, not be under Law anymore
Your choice, this by God is for everyone to choose to believe God or not in risen Son for them or not to everyone. as from Paul this truth that began as the culmination of the entire Bibel for us all to rest and be content
Thanks

 

[Ouch]

Water Baptism does not remove sin(s)
1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto evenbaptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a goodconscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1 Timothy 1:5
Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and ofa good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

have you not read as well
Matthew 23:15
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Do you seriously think that attitude is not happening today in Church buildings?
Where is the true Tabernacle, Church at? actually is the Ecclesia, not Church
Hebrews 8:1-4. Is it here on earth or in Heaven? Where is Son at? Who is here presently, It is Father in Spirit and Truth is it not?
Brother, in risen Son, God loves us all equally. I know what I see and have seen and even been behind the scenes and have seen the hypocrisy.
I know to stand in Col 1:21-23 God as my Savior in risen Son for me. I know what he did is done for us all 1 John 2:1-27
Grace
Yet, since God says, "BUT NOW the righteousness of God without the law is
29manifested" (Rom. 3:21); "To him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that
justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Rom. 4:5); "Being
Justified freely by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus"
(Rom. 3:24); "In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of
sins according to the riches of His grace" (Eph. 1:7); "Not by works of
righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us"
(Tit. 3:5); "Not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man
should boast" (Eph. 2:8,9) - when God now says this, what will faith do? Faith
will say, "This is the most wonderful offer ever made by God to man. I cannot
refuse it. I will trust Christ as my Savior and accept salvation as the free gift of
God's grace."
Therefore, in Son is it Done?
John 19:30, what did he do? Fulfilled Law and the Prophets that predicted his coming. Matthew 5:17 for people that turn to God Father in belief Son is risen where the new life in God's Spirit and Truth begins, John 4:23-24 All Law fulfilled by God, no one else. Time to Uphold Law, not be under Law anymore
Your choice, this by God is for everyone to choose to believe God or not in risen Son for them or not to everyone. as from Paul this truth that began as the culmination of the entire Bibel for us all to rest and be content
Thanks

Ok, how about we focus just on sins, OK.

Are we still born with them?

Can we enter Heaven with them?

In HIS word HOW DO WE GET RID OF THEM?

You say, "water baptism does NOT remove sins", HOW DO WE GET RID OF THEM?

Why does HIS WORD SAY WATER BAPTISM DOES remove our sins?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

When you do share verses PLEASE stick on the subject HOW WE REMOVE OUR SINS.

Thank you GOD BLESS.

 

[homwardbound]

Ok, how about we focus just on sins, OK.

Are we still born with them?

Can we enter Heaven with them?

In HIS word HOW DO WE GET RID OF THEM?

You say, "water baptism does NOT remove sins", HOW DO WE GET RID OF THEM?

Why does HIS WORD SAY WATER BAPTISM DOES remove our sins?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

When you do share verses PLEASE stick on the subject HOW WE REMOVE OUR SINS.

Thank you GOD BLESS.

We the people do not, are not able to remove sin(s) not possible as proven in the first Testament from God through the Prophets. by the first Chosen never been perfect ever.
Which took place for many years. might want to read Hebrews 10, the whole Chapter

Before the Messiah in the New Testament was here to fulfill Law and Prophets Matthew 5:17. Son Jesus fulfilled Law in love and mercy to all, it is done. John 19:30 he did it, no one else can or has since.

Once believe and start to see this truth, that Father gives free, what is done by Son for us all. The deeper anyone's need for Father and Son becomes. Has me and I need God Father's lead in risen Son daily. Anyone else?

Do you not see, "It is Finished for us all by Son who said it is finished John 19:30, he took all sin out of the way John 1:29 for us to be new in the same love and mercy of Son who did the perfect law first? John 4:18-19, Col 1:21-23. Now presently today as Won once for us all on that cross, done presently over 2,000 years ago, John 19:30. Time to believe you think? I, now know and am at rest now in thankfulness. Hebrews 4:9-13

If, whoever has not settled this in themselves as done for them, are trying to do what is already done for them by Son Jesus on that cross once for all, Hebrews 10:10. No one else can do what Son has done, Which is to walk new in love and mercy to all. John 13:34. Only Faith by Father given anyone can do this now.

How are anyone else doing it under Law? Have you stopped sin? Can you under Law stop sin completely? Are you stressed over not able to do it? Are you hiding from others to not see it, happening in you behind closed doors? Are you performing in your church too as if you got it together?

Might be time to trust Father in risen Son for you too John 4:23-24, and learn how to stop sin by Father and Son doing it first for you, through you, not the self anymore. Not self doing it anymore, not even others you once might follow or followed. As if they got it and probably do not. No other flesh but Son's flesh pleases God.

Once born new from Father of in risen Son by belief he did take away sin for us all John 1:29 to teach us each new in the same love and mercy given us first by Son, not ever fighting back in of flesh and blood anymore, John 13:34

God, Puts on us each new clothes in trust to Father the same as Jesus has already done for you too and all peoples. 1 John 2:1-27

Back off, lay down and do not fight either, can you? No no-one else can, yet Son did for you, took on all sin to give us his love and mercy to abide in by Faith from Father given you.
Thank you God just loves us all, period, otherwise Son, would not ever have gone to the cross willingly. Who asked Father "Is there any other way?"
Then stated Nevertheless not my will Father, your will be done and he went all the way without any flesh fight back. You see I need God to lead, anyone else? Therefore, I see to not fight back as flesh does as always has and does. As Father imputes the love of 1 Cor 13:4-7 in each of his children to rest as in Hebrews 4:9-13

 

[Ouch]

We the people do not, are not able to remove sin(s) not possible as proven in the first Testament from God through the Prophets. by the first Chosen never been perfect ever.
Which took place for many years. might want to read Hebrews 10, the whole Chapter

Before the Messiah in the New Testament was here to fulfill Law and Prophets Matthew 5:17. Son Jesus fulfilled Law in love and mercy to all, it is done. John 19:30 he did it, no one else can or has since.

Once believe and start to see this truth, that Father gives free, what is done by Son for us all. The deeper anyone's need for Father and Son becomes. Has me and I need God Father's lead in risen Son daily. Anyone else?

Do you not see, "It is Finished for us all by Son who said it is finished John 19:30, he took all sin out of the way John 1:29 for us to be new in the same love and mercy of Son who did the perfect law first? John 4:18-19, Col 1:21-23. Now presently today as Won once for us all on that cross, done presently over 2,000 years ago, John 19:30. Time to believe you think? I, now know and am at rest now in thankfulness. Hebrews 4:9-13

If, whoever has not settled this in themselves as done for them, are trying to do what is already done for them by Son Jesus on that cross once for all, Hebrews 10:10. No one else can do what Son has done, Which is to walk new in love and mercy to all. John 13:34. Only Faith by Father given anyone can do this now.

How are anyone else doing it under Law? Have you stopped sin? Can you under Law stop sin completely? Are you stressed over not able to do it? Are you hiding from others to not see it, happening in you behind closed doors? Are you performing in your church too as if you got it together?

Might be time to trust Father in risen Son for you too John 4:23-24, and learn how to stop sin by Father and Son doing it first for you, through you, not the self anymore. Not self doing it anymore, not even others you once might follow or followed. As if they got it and probably do not. No other flesh but Son's flesh pleases God.

Once born new from Father of in risen Son by belief he did take away sin for us all John 1:29 to teach us each new in the same love and mercy given us first by Son, not ever fighting back in of flesh and blood anymore, John 13:34

God, Puts on us each new clothes in trust to Father the same as Jesus has already done for you too and all peoples. 1 John 2:1-27

Back off, lay down and do not fight either, can you? No no-one else can, yet Son did for you, took on all sin to give us his love and mercy to abide in by Faith from Father given you.
Thank you God just loves us all, period, otherwise Son, would not ever have gone to the cross willingly. Who asked Father "Is there any other way?"
Then stated Nevertheless not my will Father, your will be done and he went all the way without any flesh fight back. You see I need God to lead, anyone else? Therefore, I see to not fight back as flesh does as always has and does. As Father imputes the love of 1 Cor 13:4-7 in each of his children to rest as in Hebrews 4:9-13

I like keeping things simple.

You are right we do not have the ability to remove sins, but we do have the ability to OBEY and have them removed.

What happened to these verses?

Arn't they instructions on how to remove our sins?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

 

[FlyingDove]

Water doesn't remit sins.

Acts 10:44 & Eph 1:13, provide the doctrinal evidence that salvation occurs at the point of faith, placed in Jesus, prior to any ritual action.

In Acts 10:44, the Holy Spirit falls upon Cornelius & his household while Peter is still speaking. The narrative is careful to note that this occurs before baptism (Acts 10:47). Peter later interprets this event at the Jerusalem Council, stating that God "purified their hearts by faith" (Acts 15:9). This is the inspired apostolic explanation of what happened. The Spirit's coming is consistently presented in Scripture as the definitive marker of salvation (Rom 8:9; Gal 3:2; Eph 1:13). Therefore, the text itself requires us to conclude that Cornelius was saved at the moment he believed.

Eph 1:13 provides the doctrinal counterpart to the narrative. Paul outlines the sequence with precision:
Hearing the word of truth > Believing the gospel > Being sealed with the Holy Spirit

FAITH placed in Jesus saves, the BLOOD washes away sin & Jesus Holy Spirit baptism SEALS the believers salvation. Water is never cause of salvation.

No additional steps are needed FAITH & SEALING. Jesus Holy Spirit baptisms SEALING is the divine confirmation of salvation & Paul treats it as such. The text does not allow for a later sacramental trigger.

These passages do not diminish the importance of baptism as an act of obedience, identification with Jesus death & resurrection & public confession. But they do make clear that baptism is not the instrument of remission or the means by which salvation is conferred.

The New Testament consistently attributes forgiveness, justification & spiritual life to faith in Christ & to the application of His atoning work, not to external rites.

The Scriptures themselves present both a narrative example Acts 10 (confirmed by scripture Acts 15:9) & a doctrinal explanation (Eph 1:13) in which salvation is explicitly tied to faith prior to any ritual action. Any theological system that denies this must explain why the apostolic witness does not align with its claims.

 

[Ouch]

Water doesn't remit sins.

Acts 10:44 & Eph 1:13, provide the doctrinal evidence that salvation occurs at the point of faith, placed in Jesus, prior to any ritual action.

In Acts 10:44, the Holy Spirit falls upon Cornelius & his household while Peter is still speaking. The narrative is careful to note that this occurs before baptism (Acts 10:47). Peter later interprets this event at the Jerusalem Council, stating that God "purified their hearts by faith" (Acts 15:9). This is the inspired apostolic explanation of what happened. The Spirit's coming is consistently presented in Scripture as the definitive marker of salvation (Rom 8:9; Gal 3:2; Eph 1:13). Therefore, the text itself requires us to conclude that Cornelius was saved at the moment he believed.

Eph 1:13 provides the doctrinal counterpart to the narrative. Paul outlines the sequence with precision:
Hearing the word of truth > Believing the gospel > Being sealed with the Holy Spirit

FAITH placed in Jesus saves, the BLOOD washes away sin & Jesus Holy Spirit baptism SEALS the believers salvation. Water is never cause of salvation.

No additional steps are needed FAITH & SEALING. Jesus Holy Spirit baptisms SEALING is the divine confirmation of salvation & Paul treats it as such. The text does not allow for a later sacramental trigger.

These passages do not diminish the importance of baptism as an act of obedience, identification with Jesus death & resurrection & public confession. But they do make clear that baptism is not the instrument of remission or the means by which salvation is conferred.

The New Testament consistently attributes forgiveness, justification & spiritual life to faith in Christ & to the application of His atoning work, not to external rites.

The Scriptures themselves present both a narrative example Acts 10 (confirmed by scripture Acts 15:9) & a doctrinal explanation (Eph 1:13) in which salvation is explicitly tied to faith prior to any ritual action. Any theological system that denies this must explain why the apostolic witness does not align with its claims.

Statements like water doesn't remit sins is not from GOD!!!

How do I know, read and see.

1 Corinthians 2:9
King James Version
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16
King James Version
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Your on the wrong road!!

 

[homwardbound]

I like keeping things simple.

You are right we do not have the ability to remove sins, but we do have the ability to OBEY and have them removed.

What happened to these verses?

Arn't they instructions on how to remove our sins?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

No water, no person nobody can take away sin. John 1:29, Christ alone did it for us all to turn to Father in agreement. You as many other add things like water and rituals, the same as the first chosen did. never seeing the truth in the ten Commandments

To love Father with everything one has. Then to love neighbor as self
Yet if one does not believe Jesus to be given Father as approved to see new and learn true love and mercy to all first. One is not able to love all as all are called
The greatest of Law, is not in the Ten Commands directly. those two Laws are the summation
LOVE from God has no Law against it. God's love through Son overcame death John 16:33

You can continue to add one has to be water Baptized to be new. When truth is we are now to be Spirit Baptized in the risen Son from Farther to us all to love all in Father's Spirit and Truth John 4:23-24, has nothing to do with the first born flesh and blood
The culmination from day one in the fall of the first Adam is now completed in the second Adam Jesus Christ. Fro us to be new in love and mercy to all too!
Do you presently hate anyone? If do, then you aero not getting it or are you? Will you willingly forgive everyone, since God has by Son forgiven you?
Ask Father thank you

 

[FlyingDove]

Water baptism does/did not remit or pardon sin. "Nothing external removes sin."

Scripture is clear:
Heb 9:22 (B) without shedding of blood is no remission.

Matt 26:28 Jesus said; “For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”

Rev 1:5, “He washed us from our sins in His own blood.”

 

[Ouch]

No water, no person nobody can take away sin. John 1:29, Christ alone did it for us all to turn to Father in agreement. You as many other add things like water and rituals, the same as the first chosen did. never seeing the truth in the ten Commandments

To love Father with everything one has. Then to love neighbor as self
Yet if one does not believe Jesus to be given Father as approved to see new and learn true love and mercy to all first. One is not able to love all as all are called
The greatest of Law, is not in the Ten Commands directly. those two Laws are the summation
LOVE from God has no Law against it. God's love through Son overcame death John 16:33

You can continue to add one has to be water Baptized to be new. When truth is we are now to be Spirit Baptized in the risen Son from Farther to us all to love all in Father's Spirit and Truth John 4:23-24, has nothing to do with the first born flesh and blood
The culmination from day one in the fall of the first Adam is now completed in the second Adam Jesus Christ. Fro us to be new in love and mercy to all too!
Do you presently hate anyone? If do, then you aero not getting it or are you? Will you willingly forgive everyone, since God has by Son forgiven you?
Ask Father thank you

Ok, I can only share HIS word and I belive all of it you don't have to we all have a choice to make.

How do you think we get reborn?

Do we have to get rid of our sins?

Our sin's seperates us for GOD right?

Do we have to be filled with the Holy Ghost?

JESUS said in John 3:5 need to be born of water and of spirit????

 

[FlyingDove]

Jn 3:
1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
(MY NOTE: Nicodemus, a Pharisee, a ruler of the Jews & a trained expert in the Law. Approaches Jesus privately, acknowledging His divine authority.)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(MY NOTE: "Born again" refers to a spiritual birth, not physical water or ritual baptism. Jesus is introducing a category Nicodemus has no understanding of.)

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
(MY NOTE: Nicodemus a teacher of Israel, has no concept of spiritual rebirth. He's thinking strictly in PHYSICAL terms.)

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(MY NOTE: Verse 6 defines the contrast "Water" corresponds to FLESHLY/PHYSICIAL birth & "SPIRIT" corresponds to SPIRITUAL BIRTH.)

"""Jesus is not introducing H2O baptism. Jesus is distinguishing TWO BIRTHS!"""

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(MY NOTE - Here is the key: FLESH = PHYSICIAL BIRTH (the natural birth that beginning in the womb, surrounded by amniotic fluid/WATER).

SPIRIT = SPIRITUAL BIRTH (the new birth only Jesus can give through His Holy Spirit baptism (Matt 3:11; Luke 3:16; Mark 1:8; John 1:33).

Jesus is explaining that PHYSICIAL BIRTH alone is not enough. One must be born physically & then born SPIRITUALLY.