Salvation Is In No Other Name

[Ouch]

You quoted a lot of verses about baptism, but you didn't answer the actual issue: What does Scripture say remits sin?

HELLO,

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Acts 22:16
King James Version
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

HOW SCRIPTURE SAYS SINS ARE REMITTED.

 

[mailmandan]

John 3:5
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In regard to the word "water" in John 3:5, there are those who would argue that the natural sense of the passage parallels water with being born out of a mother’s womb and with flesh based on the answer of Nicodemus to Jesus. Simply stated in that case, two births are necessary. The first is a physical, literal, "flesh" birth accompanied by amniotic "water" and the second is Spirit.

There are also those who would argue that Jesus mentions "living water" in John 4:10, 14; 7:37-39 and in John 7:38-39, we read - "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke concerning the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the source of living water and spiritual cleansing.

Now if "water" is defined as baptism, then we could just as justifiably say, "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living baptism" in John 7:38. If this sounds ridiculous, it is no more so than the idea that water baptism is the source or the means of becoming born again. So, to automatically read "baptism" into John 3:5 simply because it mentions "water" is unwarranted.

Yet there are still others who would argue that "water" is used in the Bible as an emblem of the word of God, and in such uses it is associated with cleansing or washing. (John 15:3; Ephesians 5:26) When we are born again, the Holy Spirit begets new life, and we are said to become "partakers of the divine nature." (2 Peter 1:4) The new birth is brought to pass through "incorruptible seed, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever" (I Peter 1:23) and the Holy Spirit accomplishes the washing of regeneration. (Titus 3:5)

 

[Pilgrimshope]

This is my point:
The NAME is the saving agent, the BLOOD is the sin‑removing agent, the HOLT SPIRIT is the sealing agent & water is a obedience response.

Jn 20:21–23, is about:
Apostolic authority to announce forgiveness, the proclamation of the gospel, the Spirit's empowerment.

It's NOT about:
Water saving, baptism regenerating, rituals removing sin, or Jesus NAME being replaced by a ceremony.

Jn 20:21–23, which has nothing to do with:
The cause of salvation, the role of the NAME, the role of the BLOOD, or the role of water.

The question remains:
Where does the New Testament ever say that WATER > not Jesus NAME, not the BLOOD, not the HOLY SPIRIT - is the saving agent?

you have to be careful trying to look through a single verse other verses say other things regarding being saved like this

“that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

belief that Jesus died for our sins and rose for our justification also regards salvation not only singling out his name . His name includes all he’s done as well and promised and even his doctrine

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s no reason to remove all the verses relating salvation to something like believing Jesus died for our sins eas buried and rose up again the third day . This also is “ a Saving agent “ what he did for us to save us what who did ? JESUS his name Carries Gods message that saves man from sin and death . Part of that message is that Jesus died for our sins

just saying his name won’t save us but the message of the gospel when we simply accept it as is as he presents it to people in the gospel saves us

But if we insist on one verses statement and then won’t accept all the others it’s skewing our view

what I mean is this verse

“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

doesnt change or make less or untrue these kinds of teachings in the gospel

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.


And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Things like this

that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

don’t change or make irrelevant all the other things Jesus himself is the source of salvation we need to call on his name that’s definately part of the doctrine there’s a lot regarding salvation and a lot that is included in his name that goes into saving souls

“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:1-4‬ ‭


Sometimes we tend to try to create a lens through the verses and perspective we ourselves have as an individual so there’s a lot that is left out of the view . Allowing more scripture in helps to open up our view

salvation is an old concept and there’s a lot of things that work together to accomplish our salvation of course it’s all found in Christ Jesus.

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭49:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

lots of factors we arrive at through the gospel

“For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭7:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”


It’s all one doctrine in the nt his name is like a single word that holds all the truth and answers and power of salvation . But we are meant to learn and accept and grow in understanding applying it as we do grow up in him

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Apply, truth, Spirit or water
This baptism is found in the following verse: “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11).
When did this Happen
Acts 1:1-5
introduces the Book of Acts, summarizing Jesus' post-resurrection appearances (40 days) to his chosen apostles, where He taught about God's kingdom and commanded them to remain in Jerusalem to await the Father's promise: baptism with the Holy Spirit, a promise John the Baptist foreshadowed with water baptism.

One Lord, one faith, one baptism" is
a key phrase from Ephesians 4:5 in the Bible, emphasizing the foundational unity of Christianity around Jesus (the Lord), shared core beliefs, and the single, spiritual cleansing of baptism that brings believers into Christ, calling for believers to maintain unity in the Spirit despite diverse gifts. It highlights singular aspects of Christian identity—Jesus as the sole master, a unified belief system, and one spiritual initiation—as a basis for church unity.
Context in Ephesians 4:

• The passage (Ephesians 4:4-6) lists several "ones": one body, one Spirit, one hope, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father.
• This sets the stage for Paul's exhortation in the following verses for Christians to live in unity and peace, using their diverse spiritual gifts to build up the church

Yes well said look how unified and uniformed baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name is before and after he died and rose.

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. ……And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4, 9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

there’s definately one baptism John told the disciples Jesus would baptize them with the Holy Ghost .

“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:

after he rose jesus told his disciples

“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:4-5, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s fulfilled a few days later at pentocost just as John prophesied to them they would be baptized with the Holy Ghost and fire by Jesus

“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭

What John said has nothing to do with us it was about the apostles what’s meant for the church is here as the apostles begin to preach the gospel and baptize people for repentance and remission of sins in his name

“Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost “

The apostles baptized people in water after they preached about Jesus to them and they believed like this

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thisbis what Jesus commanded the apostles to do

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s definetely just one baptism it’s the baptism Jesus commanded his apostles of many confuse what John told the disciples and what the apostles filled with the spirit

 

[FlyingDove]

Yes well said look how unified and uniformed baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name is before and after he died and rose.

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. ……And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4, 9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

there’s definately one baptism John told the disciples Jesus would baptize them with the Holy Ghost .

“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:

after he rose jesus told his disciples

“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:4-5, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s fulfilled a few days later at pentocost just as John prophesied to them they would be baptized with the Holy Ghost and fire by Jesus

“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭

What John said has nothing to do with us it was about the apostles what’s meant for the church is here as the apostles begin to preach the gospel and baptize people for repentance and remission of sins in his name

“Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost “

The apostles baptized people in water after they preached about Jesus to them and they believed like this

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thisbis what Jesus commanded the apostles to do

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s definetely just one baptism it’s the baptism Jesus commanded his apostles of many confuse what John told the disciples and what the apostles filled with the spirit

You listed many verses about believing the gospel, confessing Christ, obeying His teaching & living out salvation. Amen to all of that.

But none of those verses answer the actual question I asked:
Where does the New Testament ever say that WATER—rather than the NAME, the BLOOD, or the HOLY SPIRIT—is the saving agent?

You gave verses about:
Believing the gospel, confessing Christ, obeying His teaching, repenting, living out salvation, Jesus death & resurrection. All true. None of that proves that water is the cause of salvation. You're mixing categories.

Scripture keeps the categories distinct.

The Gospel is the Message. The NAME is the Saving Agent. The BLOOD is the Cleansing Agent. The SPIRIT is the Sealing Agent.

The New Testament never confuses these:
The NAME saves, Acts 4:12, Acts 10:43, Rom 10:13, Jn 20:31. The BLOOD cleanses & justifies, Rom 5:9, Eph 1:7, Rev 1:5. The SPIRIT seals and regenerates, Eph 1:13, Titus 3:5, Rom 8:9.

Water is never the cause of any of these. Water is the response of someone who has believed the gospel & received the Spirit (Acts 10:44–48).

Rom 10:9 supports my point, not yours.
Rom 10:9 says:
Confess > believe > saved

It does not say:
Confess > believe > plus water. Your own verse affirms salvation by faith, not water

Mark 16:16 is misread when used to teach water causation.
Mark 16:16 says:
He who believes and is baptized shall be saved & He """who does NOT believe""" shall be damned.

What condemns a person?
Unbelief—not lack of water.

If Jesus meant water was the saving agent, He would have said:
"He who is not baptized shall be damned." He didnt.

You quoted:
Matt :7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

HOW WE DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER:

John 6:40 Everyone who sees the Son & believes on Him has everlasting life.
(NOTE: The will of the Father is "FAITH in the Son", not water.

1 Cor 15 teaches the gospel > not a mechanism of salvation. Yes, the gospel is Christ's death, burial & resurrection. But the gospel is the message, not the mechanism. The gospel tells us what Christ did.

The NAME, BLOOD & SPIRIT tell us how salvation is applied.
Paul never says:
"Christ died for your sins—therefore water removes them."

He says:
"Christ died for your sins > therefore believe."

Repentance, obedience, sorrow, growth >none of these are water. These are responses & fruits of salvation, not the cause. You're listing the results of salvation & not the agent of salvation.

The question remains unanswered:
Where does the New Testament ever say that WATER is the saving agent?

I asked:
Where does Scripture say WATER saves? Not the NAME > Not the BLOOD > Not the SPIRIT > but WATER? You still didn't/haven't produced a single verse.

Acts 2 & 10 remain the immovable wall.
Before Peter ever mentions water:
Acts 2: 1-4, 120 receive Christ' FOREVER (Jn 14:16) indwelling, salvation SEALING (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14} Holy Spirit Baptism.

Again here Acts 10:44, Cornelius believes, receives forgiveness through His name, receives the Holy Spirit & is FOREVER (Jn 14:16) accepted by God. All before water, therefore water isn't the saving agent.

BOTTOM LINE
You gave many verses about:
Believing, confessing, obeying, repenting, living out salvation > All good.

None of them say Water saves.
The New Testament attributes salvation to:
The NAME (Acts 4:12, 10:43) > the BLOOD (Rom 5:9, Eph 1:7), the SPIRIT (Titus 3:5, Eph 1:13), Water is never placed in that category.

So I'll ask again, plainly:
Where does the New Testament ever say that WATER—not the NAME, not the BLOOD, not the SPIRIT—is the saving agent? Until that question is answered, everything else is a distraction.

BTW The NT baptism that seals salvation. Isn't done in water by human hands.

The NT baptism that seals salvation. Is spiritually done without hands by Christ alone:

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized Spirit to identify when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ baptizes with/in the Holy Spirit.)

Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
(NOTE: It's the baptism of Jesus Holy Spirit that QUICKENS > gives born again spiritual life. Not any physical act one does)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision "made without hands", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: The Old Testament covenant of circumcision in Gen 17 was a PHYSICIAL, flesh‑cutting ritual performed by human hands. The circumcision of Christ, "made without hands." is the inward, SPIRITUAL work of the Holy Spirit & not the physical ritual of water baptism.

Deut 30:6 (A) the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart

Rom 10:17 FAITH come's by HEARING the word of God.

Acts 10:44 Say's as Peter preach the gospel the Holy Spirit fell on ALL that HEARD.

Acts 10:47 Peter say's can anyone forbid these gentiles who "HAVE" received the Holy Spirit water. They "HAD" received Christ's FOREVER [Jn 14:16] indwelling Holy Spirit > BY FAITH, before undergoing water baptism.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes well said look how unified and uniformed baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name is before and after he died and rose.

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. ……And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4, 9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

there’s definately one baptism John told the disciples Jesus would baptize them with the Holy Ghost .

“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:

after he rose jesus told his disciples

“and, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:4-5, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s fulfilled a few days later at pentocost just as John prophesied to them they would be baptized with the Holy Ghost and fire by Jesus

“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭

What John said has nothing to do with us it was about the apostles what’s meant for the church is here as the apostles begin to preach the gospel and baptize people for repentance and remission of sins in his name

“Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost “

The apostles baptized people in water after they preached about Jesus to them and they believed like this

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thisbis what Jesus commanded the apostles to do

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s definetely just one baptism it’s the baptism Jesus commanded his apostles of many confuse what John told the disciples and what the apostles filled with the spirit

Seeing Peter, still learning, his old self hearing thoughts, not his own thoughts, yet got caught up in fear of, which first appeared in denying Christ three times before the crow crowed in the morning, And still by God stands forgiven, Amazing!
What? See the Gentile preaching, Peter did go to the Cornelius House, and after Father spoke through Peter to them, Peter watched them get saved without any rituals or water baptism. Saved, by God, nothing else, yet Peter had to get them water baptized, yet saw them already Spirit Baptized by God, and went to the others in the next chapter of Acts and reported this to the other disciples.
Peter saw it happen, reported this to the others. So the others went to Galatia, James and I think John to learn about this freedom. Peter heard they were coming and removed himself and others from the Gentile table. Which Paul rebuked him for doing that. This is why Paul wrote Galatians and rebuked Peter, who Peter later wrote in 3 Peter at the end of that letter about to listen to Paul a hard man to understand

I know how many times I have been rebuked by others and never liked any rebuking even from my earth dad ever. We as people want to be heard. So listen, hear and not rebuke, yet gently telll your thought(s) you get and read the Bible to know and hear truth of the word written from Father personally through the Disciples, especially the one disciple picked out in due time. Yes, Paul who reveals the age of grace as God Father's dispensation to our freedom to see good and bad and choose Good, God over bad. Then one, anyone in belief to Dad, PaPa, Father begins and sees new and grows new unto maturity and not be like the Corinthians were in 1 Cor 3 anymore, only drinking milk. God reveals the whole story of Acts and the Epistles written after the resurrection of Son for us all
And I see God just loves us all y'all, otherwise Son would not have ever gone to that cross willingly, you think? I now, know, not ever giving up on God's love and mercy to remain even whenever sinned again I remained forgiven by God to learn from how to let go of any sin I had done or was still doing by trust alone to God in risen Son. Col 1:21-22

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Seeing Peter, still learning, his old self hearing thoughts, not his own thoughts, yet got caught up in fear of, which first appeared in denying Christ three times before the crow crowed in the morning, And still by God stands forgiven, Amazing!
What? See the Gentile preaching, Peter did go to the Cornelius House, and after Father spoke through Peter to them, Peter watched them get saved without any rituals or water baptism. Saved, by God, nothing else, yet Peter had to get them water baptized, yet saw them already Spirit Baptized by God, and went to the others in the next chapter of Acts and reported this to the other disciples.
Peter saw it happen, reported this to the others. So the others went to Galatia, James and I think John to learn about this freedom. Peter heard they were coming and removed himself and others from the Gentile table. Which Paul rebuked him for doing that. This is why Paul wrote Galatians and rebuked Peter, who Peter later wrote in 3 Peter at the end of that letter about to listen to Paul a hard man to understand

I know how many times I have been rebuked by others and never liked any rebuking even from my earth dad ever. We as people want to be heard. So listen, hear and not rebuke, yet gently telll your thought(s) you get and read the Bible to know and hear truth of the word written from Father personally through the Disciples, especially the one disciple picked out in due time. Yes, Paul who reveals the age of grace as God Father's dispensation to our freedom to see good and bad and choose Good, God over bad. Then one, anyone in belief to Dad, PaPa, Father begins and sees new and grows new unto maturity and not be like the Corinthians were in 1 Cor 3 anymore, only drinking milk. God reveals the whole story of Acts and the Epistles written after the resurrection of Son for us all
And I see God just loves us all y'all, otherwise Son would not have ever gone to that cross willingly, you think? I now, know, not ever giving up on God's love and mercy to remain even whenever sinned again I remained forgiven by God to learn from how to let go of any sin I had done or was still doing by trust alone to God in risen Son. Col 1:21-22

“Peter watched them get saved without any rituals or water baptism. Saved, by God, nothing else, yet Peter had to get them water baptized,”

naw it says nothing about anyone being saved there nor does it say they were baptized by the spirit . It’s the same thing here in a different order baptism is done for remission of sins in Jesus name .

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, ( they haven’t been baptized yet they received the promise of the spirit because they heard and believed the gospel baptism in Jesus name is peters first commandment to them because it’s for remission of sins ) which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42-44, 47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When John said this

“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s not creating a different form of baptism he’s telling Jesus disciples about pentocost .

“For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.( in a few days ) But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:5, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The apostles baptized believers just as John did in water johns phrase “ he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and fire was fulfilled here it’s not for the general church it was for Jesus chosen witnesses who he empowered to spread the gospel

“And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They baptized in water when people believed Jesus died for thier sins that’s what it’s about brother we believe this

“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s why a person is meant to get baptized in his name for remission of those sins he died for

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? ( for our sins ) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4‬ ‭

Receving the holy spirit doesn’t happen because we get baptized what Paul’s saying there does our sins are remitted and lose power over us because we died with him to sins in baptism by his name …..now we can rise up and live a new fresh life as his new born child having our sins remitted.

receving the holy spirit is because you believe the promise of be he gospel baptism is something you chcoose to partake of because Jesus does to pay for your sins it’s what doctrine teaches us to do for remission of sins in Jesus name .

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The apostles were commanded to go baotize everyone who would believe the gospel they did this in water . John telling the apostles jesus would baptize them wit the spirit has nothing to do with remission of sins that’s what baptism in jesus name is for

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You listed many verses about believing the gospel, confessing Christ, obeying His teaching & living out salvation. Amen to all of that.

But none of those verses answer the actual question I asked:
Where does the New Testament ever say that WATER—rather than the NAME, the BLOOD, or the HOLY SPIRIT—is the saving agent?

You gave verses about:
Believing the gospel, confessing Christ, obeying His teaching, repenting, living out salvation, Jesus death & resurrection. All true. None of that proves that water is the cause of salvation. You're mixing categories.

Scripture keeps the categories distinct.

The Gospel is the Message. The NAME is the Saving Agent. The BLOOD is the Cleansing Agent. The SPIRIT is the Sealing Agent.

The New Testament never confuses these:
The NAME saves, Acts 4:12, Acts 10:43, Rom 10:13, Jn 20:31. The BLOOD cleanses & justifies, Rom 5:9, Eph 1:7, Rev 1:5. The SPIRIT seals and regenerates, Eph 1:13, Titus 3:5, Rom 8:9.

Water is never the cause of any of these. Water is the response of someone who has believed the gospel & received the Spirit (Acts 10:44–48).

Rom 10:9 supports my point, not yours.
Rom 10:9 says:
Confess > believe > saved

It does not say:
Confess > believe > plus water. Your own verse affirms salvation by faith, not water

Mark 16:16 is misread when used to teach water causation.
Mark 16:16 says:
He who believes and is baptized shall be saved & He """who does NOT believe""" shall be damned.

What condemns a person?
Unbelief—not lack of water.

If Jesus meant water was the saving agent, He would have said:
"He who is not baptized shall be damned." He didnt.

You quoted:
Matt :7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

HOW WE DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER:

John 6:40 Everyone who sees the Son & believes on Him has everlasting life.
(NOTE: The will of the Father is "FAITH in the Son", not water.

1 Cor 15 teaches the gospel > not a mechanism of salvation. Yes, the gospel is Christ's death, burial & resurrection. But the gospel is the message, not the mechanism. The gospel tells us what Christ did.

The NAME, BLOOD & SPIRIT tell us how salvation is applied.
Paul never says:
"Christ died for your sins—therefore water removes them."

He says:
"Christ died for your sins > therefore believe."

Repentance, obedience, sorrow, growth >none of these are water. These are responses & fruits of salvation, not the cause. You're listing the results of salvation & not the agent of salvation.

The question remains unanswered:
Where does the New Testament ever say that WATER is the saving agent?

I asked:
Where does Scripture say WATER saves? Not the NAME > Not the BLOOD > Not the SPIRIT > but WATER? You still didn't/haven't produced a single verse.

Acts 2 & 10 remain the immovable wall.
Before Peter ever mentions water:
Acts 2: 1-4, 120 receive Christ' FOREVER (Jn 14:16) indwelling, salvation SEALING (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14} Holy Spirit Baptism.

Again here Acts 10:44, Cornelius believes, receives forgiveness through His name, receives the Holy Spirit & is FOREVER (Jn 14:16) accepted by God. All before water, therefore water isn't the saving agent.

BOTTOM LINE
You gave many verses about:
Believing, confessing, obeying, repenting, living out salvation > All good.

None of them say Water saves.
The New Testament attributes salvation to:
The NAME (Acts 4:12, 10:43) > the BLOOD (Rom 5:9, Eph 1:7), the SPIRIT (Titus 3:5, Eph 1:13), Water is never placed in that category.

So I'll ask again, plainly:
Where does the New Testament ever say that WATER—not the NAME, not the BLOOD, not the SPIRIT—is the saving agent? Until that question is answered, everything else is a distraction.

BTW The NT baptism that seals salvation. Isn't done in water by human hands.

The NT baptism that seals salvation. Is spiritually done without hands by Christ alone:

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized Spirit to identify when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ baptizes with/in the Holy Spirit.)

Jn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
(NOTE: It's the baptism of Jesus Holy Spirit that QUICKENS > gives born again spiritual life. Not any physical act one does)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision "made without hands", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: The Old Testament covenant of circumcision in Gen 17 was a PHYSICIAL, flesh‑cutting ritual performed by human hands. The circumcision of Christ, "made without hands." is the inward, SPIRITUAL work of the Holy Spirit & not the physical ritual of water baptism.

Deut 30:6 (A) the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart

Rom 10:17 FAITH come's by HEARING the word of God.

Acts 10:44 Say's as Peter preach the gospel the Holy Spirit fell on ALL that HEARD.

Acts 10:47 Peter say's can anyone forbid these gentiles who "HAVE" received the Holy Spirit water. They "HAD" received Christ's FOREVER [Jn 14:16] indwelling Holy Spirit > BY FAITH, before undergoing water baptism.

Yeah to that I said. Think you’re the only one claiming “ water is a saving agent “ no one else has lol baptism is done in water before and after the cross . To then make that statement into “ water is the saving agent rather than the name or boood ofnjesus “ is sort of an empty self created idea that you then want others to defend

Acinowledging that baptism was always performed in water that it eas commanded by Jesus for his apostles and witnesses to do or that he and his apostles taught it well isnt wrong or making “ water “ somehow more important than faith …… that’s just an argument against baptism for remission of sins being necessary by claiming “ you make water the saving agent “



Gods the one who designed baptism and commanded it he sent John and he also sent the apostles to
Baptize for remission of sins and yes they baptized in water . This shouldn’t be even an argument it’s provable in law ky and clearly but then “ were
Making water a saving agent more than Jesus and his death ect ect “


Its that term straw man create an argument then try to make others defend it when really they are just acinowledging that baptism eas and is
Meant to be done in water when someone believes . And it’s for remission of sins in his name who died for our sins .

ive never heard anyone claim water is a saving agent about Jesus name or blood If anyone is claiming that they’d be wrong . Water is only involved because that’s how God designed baptism for remission of sins

thats why it’s like a burial and resurrection . You are placed beneath water in his name buried and then you are raised up from that body plain in his name who rose up its only really meant to be done after someone accepts the gospel and believes that’s the only thing that makes baptism relevant “ I believe Jesus died for my sins and rose up again for my justification “ the next move is to get baptized in his name for remission of those sins

its just doctrine . Acknowledging baptisms are pace in it doesn’t remove the belief in Jesus or his name or blood those things are the reason people get baptized it’s an act of faith done based on belief

Baptism is simple
“And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Seems pretty simple really and because he did it in water doesn’t make me think “ well he made water the saving agent and not faith “……

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s just what Philip did preached the gospel and baptized him maybe that’s why he went away rejoicing but imagine him paying sayong “ if baotism is in water that’s reducing god and exalting water as savior “ poor guy would have thought himself out of a simple gift from the lord

 

[FlyingDove]

Yeah to that I said. Think you’re the only one claiming “ water is a saving agent “ no one else has lol baptism is done in water before and after the cross . To then make that statement into “ water is the saving agent rather than the name or boood ofnjesus “ is sort of an empty self created idea that you then want others to defend

Acinowledging that baptism was always performed in water that it eas commanded by Jesus for his apostles and witnesses to do or that he and his apostles taught it well isnt wrong or making “ water “ somehow more important than faith …… that’s just an argument against baptism for remission of sins being necessary by claiming “ you make water the saving agent “



Gods the one who designed baptism and commanded it he sent John and he also sent the apostles to
Baptize for remission of sins and yes they baptized in water . This shouldn’t be even an argument it’s provable in law ky and clearly but then “ were
Making water a saving agent more than Jesus and his death ect ect “


Its that term straw man create an argument then try to make others defend it when really they are just acinowledging that baptism eas and is
Meant to be done in water when someone believes . And it’s for remission of sins in his name who died for our sins .

ive never heard anyone claim water is a saving agent about Jesus name or blood If anyone is claiming that they’d be wrong . Water is only involved because that’s how God designed baptism for remission of sins

thats why it’s like a burial and resurrection . You are placed beneath water in his name buried and then you are raised up from that body plain in his name who rose up its only really meant to be done after someone accepts the gospel and believes that’s the only thing that makes baptism relevant “ I believe Jesus died for my sins and rose up again for my justification “ the next move is to get baptized in his name for remission of those sins

its just doctrine . Acknowledging baptisms are pace in it doesn’t remove the belief in Jesus or his name or blood those things are the reason people get baptized it’s an act of faith done based on belief

Baptism is simple
“And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:36-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Seems pretty simple really and because he did it in water doesn’t make me think “ well he made water the saving agent and not faith “……

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s just what Philip did preached the gospel and baptized him maybe that’s why he went away rejoicing but imagine him paying sayong “ if baotism is in water that’s reducing god and exalting water as savior “ poor guy would have thought himself out of a simple gift from the lord

You keep saying no one believes water is the saving agent. But your doctrine requires exactly that.

If baptism is "for remission of sins," & baptism is in water, then water is the mechanism by which remission occurs. That is a saving agent. You may not like the term, but it is the logical consequence of your position.

My question remains simple:
Where does the New Testament ever say that WATER, not the NAME, not the BLOOD, not the SPIRIT, is the saving agent?

You still haven’t produced a single verse. You've given examples of water baptism, but none of those passages say:
water removes sin, water causes salvation, water regenerates, water justifies, water seals or water forgives.

The New Testament attributes forfiveness to:
The NAME (Acts 4:12, Acts 10:43, Rom 10:13), The BLOOD (Rom 5:9, Eph 1:7, Rev 1:5), The SPIRIT (Titus 3:5, Eph 1:13, Rom 8:9), Water is never placed in that category.

Acts 2:1-4 & 10 destroy the idea that water saves/remits completely:
Acts 2 Pentecost, 120 receive the Holy Spirit > salvation seal, before water.
Acts 10, Cornelius believes > Receives forgiveness through His name > Receives the Holy Spirit/salvation seal & is accepted by God > ALL before water. Therefore water cannot be the cause of salvation.

You keep giving verses about baptism being done in water. I agree. That's not the issue. The issue is cause, not location.

So I'll ask again:
Where does Scripture ever say that WATER is the saving agent?

Until that question is answered, everything else is a distraction.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You keep saying no one believes water is the saving agent. But your doctrine requires exactly that.

If baptism is "for remission of sins," & baptism is in water, then water is the mechanism by which remission occurs. That is a saving agent. You may not like the term, but it is the logical consequence of your position.

My question remains simple:
Where does the New Testament ever say that WATER, not the NAME, not the BLOOD, not the SPIRIT, is the saving agent?

You still haven’t produced a single verse. You've given examples of water baptism, but none of those passages say:
water removes sin, water causes salvation, water regenerates, water justifies, water seals or water forgives.

The New Testament attributes forfiveness to:
The NAME (Acts 4:12, Acts 10:43, Rom 10:13), The BLOOD (Rom 5:9, Eph 1:7, Rev 1:5), The SPIRIT (Titus 3:5, Eph 1:13, Rom 8:9), Water is never placed in that category.

Acts 2:1-4 & 10 destroy the idea that water saves/remits completely:
Acts 2 Pentecost, 120 receive the Holy Spirit > salvation seal, before water.
Acts 10, Cornelius believes > Receives forgiveness through His name > Receives the Holy Spirit/salvation seal & is accepted by God > ALL before water. Therefore water cannot be the cause of salvation.

You keep giving verses about baptism being done in water. I agree. That's not the issue. The issue is cause, not location.

So I'll ask again:
Where does Scripture ever say that WATER is the saving agent?

Until that question is answered, everything else is a distraction.

“You keep saying no one believes water is the saving agent. But your doctrine requires exactly that.”

exactly my point eho designed baptism and gave the doctrine to the church ? Not me I assure you I’m just able to read .

“And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s baptism before jesus died and rose

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s what his apostles were doing preaching the gospel and baptizing for remission of sins . To be clear God designed baptism in water I didn’t I have just learned from the scriptures what baptism is for

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬


And that baptism is performed in water . I’m not willing to then begin claiming this somehow exalts water as savior lol in order to avoid acknowledging what it says

The thing is you guys can never just say yes Peter isn’t misleading us baptism is for remission of sins in his name . you have to begin explaining why this isn’t so

“be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins”

Then we begin hearing about “different baptisms “

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then we insist “baptism has nothing to do with water “

“And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:36-38‬ ‭

This place is puzzling , it’s more about rejecting what’s there and explaining what never is or has been there


Lol “my doctrine “

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yeah but not on water though some other baptism the apostles didn’t understand probably

“Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If only Peter and Phillip would have had this place as a guide maybe they wouldn’t have wasted time with “ water baptism for remission of sins “ I suppose

 

[homwardbound]

“Peter watched them get saved wi\


and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

oh, Brother I am long winded again, caring for everyone's Soul, not flesh anymore. Please read all before responding thank you
Water Baptism is a good conscience between God Father, Son and me and all others who sincerely believe God in risen Son for them as well. It is not to gain anything more than the risen son himself, which Father gives freely, being no more under any Law. Phil 3, I gave up under Law to win Christ.
Yes, Water Baptism is nothing more than a symbol of what was about to be done on Pentecost. Now done, water Baptism over, Spirit Baptism from God began and still goes on for now. This is for everyone to choose, not a have to, anymore. Do you think Father only entered the Disciples, not the Gentiles after Pentecost or anyone else. You think you have to do to get it, are you under a new law of man's decision, your church leaders? who have interpreted falsely? Have you read the whole Epistle(s) that are written for us after the risen Son for us all?
How about accept, accept God has by Son done it all for you and everyone else too, 1 John 2. That by Son it is finished by Son, John 19:30, done once for everyone to choose to believe God or not Son is risen that is all that is left is to choose God and not be a person better or under anyone else! Do you think God gets pleased by man efforts? Ever? Rom 8:1-3
I think not reading all of the First Testament (Old) All everyone did in their flesh is fail! over and over and over and again and again and again, no-one could ever please Father but Son.
God chose certain men, before Christ, who sincerely believed and gave messages, to give to the first chosen, known as the Prophets then, and the first chosen would not listen and the first chosen, even killed many of the Prophets. The first chosen believed on over 400 false prophets and Elijah is the only one that stood up for God and won against those false prophets. God is One, Won for us all by Son to be given new life of love and mercy to all, and not quiver over things about Baptisms, or Law or religions, you better do it right, you better or else! God will get you, attitudes from Church gatherings from the Pulpit, Which God does not attend Hebrews 8:1-4. Those, that claim saved and then preach out their own ways, using Bible verses to convince people they are right and you are wrong, Straining out gnats is using Bible verses to convince people of their conjectured thoughts, not reading the verse out first in context only hearing that verse only. Evil wishes to keep people in the dark, think anything has changed, except Satan lost at the resurrection of Son? Only evil left is flesh? Flesh evil not wanting anyone to go to God personally in their own prayer closet. Because there is where anyone hears truth over errors from God personally. religious leaders use scriptures, mainly only verses to convince the crowd to go and do things, making up things to have control over people going there. using God as their way. Have you not seen 2 Cor 11:14? you do not think evil has invaded churches here on earth?
I think you have a great compassion given you by God for you!
Jesus the risen, the way to be new remaining in trust to Father whether or not another gets water Baptized or not, my concern is Spirit Baptism by Father only in risen Son for all
therefore do I love all in the same love, mercy and truth given through Son John 13:34? Yes
I do Lord, I believe, teach me 1 John 2:27, thank you I trust you to do that, never knowing how, just that you will reveal it to me in your timing not mine or anyone else's. What a long walk in trust it has been and still going forward daily in trust, where I will not stop, yet stop!
Thank you for your sharing to me to love all as acceptable by you Father in risen Son, no more accusing, abusing or excusing anyone anymore. Rom 14:1-4, 2:1-4
How many David Corish's, Jim Jones's and other cults are out there in this world today where pastors are getting others to do their bidding, claiming it is God's bidding through them and these leaders, do not do them themselves?
I do not go with the crowd, I ask Father for truth. Might be wise for us each to do the same personally too! then one will know the truth that sets them free, I trust God to do this for everyone that chooses God sincerely, thank you as I believe you have Pilgrims hope.
Father in risen Son does the Babtizing in his Spirit and Truth to whoever he sees is sincere. The rest he lets go with reprobate 'mindsets, until they destroy themselves to turn back to God and say Daddy, Father, PaPa you know best, I now see to trust you and you alone thank you. Father then gives risen Son in Father's spirit and Truth, not of any church on earth on the corner of walk and don't walk. It is personal you are the Ecclesia, called out to love all by God through you, quenching no one else's hope ever again.
I am free to do anything, Yes anything! yet I have the choice to see what is beneficial and what is not in my freedom given me by God Father in risen Son.
Yes I can speed, yes I can not stop at any stop sign
Yet, I choose freely to not speed for the compassion placed in me by God for me, to not harm others, or go through a stop sign without stopping to help keep everyone safe? I uphold Law not under Law anymore.
I am freed to do righteously by God in love to us all through Son that finished the work for us to do love and mercy to all, John 1:29 is done for us in Son
Love to you Brother, continue learning you will, God does not give up on anyone in loving them to death. that is what is amazing.
One sees to be willing to be dead daily to the self first birth, thanks Born new by God Father in risen Son, God does the baptizing, not man
Please stand still and go into your own closet and not get caught up in the proud and accusers of others as if they are better than others thank you

 

[Pilgrimshope]

oh, Brother I am long winded again, caring for everyone's Soul, not flesh anymore. Please read all before responding thank you
Water Baptism is a good conscience between God Father, Son and me and all others who sincerely believe God in risen Son for them as well. It is not to gain anything more than the risen son himself, which Father gives freely, being no more under any Law. Phil 3, I gave up under Law to win Christ.
Yes, Water Baptism is nothing more than a symbol of what was about to be done on Pentecost. Now done, water Baptism over, Spirit Baptism from God began and still goes on for now. This is for everyone to choose, not a have to, anymore. Do you think Father only entered the Disciples, not the Gentiles after Pentecost or anyone else. You think you have to do to get it, are you under a new law of man's decision, your church leaders? who have interpreted falsely? Have you read the whole Epistle(s) that are written for us after the risen Son for us all?
How about accept, accept God has by Son done it all for you and everyone else too, 1 John 2. That by Son it is finished by Son, John 19:30, done once for everyone to choose to believe God or not Son is risen that is all that is left is to choose God and not be a person better or under anyone else! Do you think God gets pleased by man efforts? Ever? Rom 8:1-3
I think not reading all of the First Testament (Old) All everyone did in their flesh is fail! over and over and over and again and again and again, no-one could ever please Father but Son.
God chose certain men, before Christ, who sincerely believed and gave messages, to give to the first chosen, known as the Prophets then, and the first chosen would not listen and the first chosen, even killed many of the Prophets. The first chosen believed on over 400 false prophets and Elijah is the only one that stood up for God and won against those false prophets. God is One, Won for us all by Son to be given new life of love and mercy to all, and not quiver over things about Baptisms, or Law or religions, you better do it right, you better or else! God will get you, attitudes from Church gatherings from the Pulpit, Which God does not attend Hebrews 8:1-4. Those, that claim saved and then preach out their own ways, using Bible verses to convince people they are right and you are wrong, Straining out gnats is using Bible verses to convince people of their conjectured thoughts, not reading the verse out first in context only hearing that verse only. Evil wishes to keep people in the dark, think anything has changed, except Satan lost at the resurrection of Son? Only evil left is flesh? Flesh evil not wanting anyone to go to God personally in their own prayer closet. Because there is where anyone hears truth over errors from God personally. religious leaders use scriptures, mainly only verses to convince the crowd to go and do things, making up things to have control over people going there. using God as their way. Have you not seen 2 Cor 11:14? you do not think evil has invaded churches here on earth?
I think you have a great compassion given you by God for you!
Jesus the risen, the way to be new remaining in trust to Father whether or not another gets water Baptized or not, my concern is Spirit Baptism by Father only in risen Son for all
therefore do I love all in the same love, mercy and truth given through Son John 13:34? Yes
I do Lord, I believe, teach me 1 John 2:27, thank you I trust you to do that, never knowing how, just that you will reveal it to me in your timing not mine or anyone else's. What a long walk in trust it has been and still going forward daily in trust, where I will not stop, yet stop!
Thank you for your sharing to me to love all as acceptable by you Father in risen Son, no more accusing, abusing or excusing anyone anymore. Rom 14:1-4, 2:1-4
How many David Corish's, Jim Jones's and other cults are out there in this world today where pastors are getting others to do their bidding, claiming it is God's bidding through them and these leaders, do not do them themselves?
I do not go with the crowd, I ask Father for truth. Might be wise for us each to do the same personally too! then one will know the truth that sets them free, I trust God to do this for everyone that chooses God sincerely, thank you as I believe you have Pilgrims hope.
Father in risen Son does the Babtizing in his Spirit and Truth to whoever he sees is sincere. The rest he lets go with reprobate 'mindsets, until they destroy themselves to turn back to God and say Daddy, Father, PaPa you know best, I now see to trust you and you alone thank you. Father then gives risen Son in Father's spirit and Truth, not of any church on earth on the corner of walk and don't walk. It is personal you are the Ecclesia, called out to love all by God through you, quenching no one else's hope ever again.
I am free to do anything, Yes anything! yet I have the choice to see what is beneficial and what is not in my freedom given me by God Father in risen Son.
Yes I can speed, yes I can not stop at any stop sign
Yet, I choose freely to not speed for the compassion placed in me by God for me, to not harm others, or go through a stop sign without stopping to help keep everyone safe? I uphold Law not under Law anymore.
I am freed to do righteously by God in love to us all through Son that finished the work for us to do love and mercy to all, John 1:29 is done for us in Son
Love to you Brother, continue learning you will, God does not give up on anyone in loving them to death. that is what is amazing.
One sees to be willing to be dead daily to the self first birth, thanks Born new by God Father in risen Son, God does the baptizing, not man
Please stand still and go into your own closet and not get caught up in the proud and accusers of others as if they are better than others thank you

“Water Baptism is a good conscience between God Father, Son and me and all others who sincerely believe God in risen Son for them as well. It is not to gain anything more than the risen son himself, which Father gives freely, “

Its puzzling why people constantly try to remove the meaning of doctrine that’s so plain

The Bible teaches clearly what baptism is and means ‬‬. I wish I could find a forum tbat discussed what the Bible teaches

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Satan knows what happens in the water, sad you don't.

Correct and incorrect, Satan knew what happened in RCC water when [ I DID NOT know ] as an infant. Then, Satan and I BOTH "knew what happened" in water when the 'church of christ' deceived me with water, but I wanted to be obedient to my Lord And Saviour, Jesus Christ, And I "got wet".

Then, when the baptist denomination fooled me again, as a young christian in
Confusion, again, Satan and I BOTH knew "I got WET" yet once again.

Thanks Be Unto God, Who Led me To His Word, Rightly Divided, and Helped me To
Solve ALL of the Above Confusion. Be Blessed!!!:

10-15 Confusing denom baptisms? = Short/brief answer: BaptismS Scriptural Summary!:

LORD JESUS, please open our hearts to ALL of Thy Truth. Amen:

Prophecy/Covenants/Law { for earthly Israel }:
►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The two "Main" (of 12) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins!:
(Matthew 3:5-6; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; John 1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts 10:37)
(Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 22:16; Ezekiel 36:25 AV)
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B) "WITH" The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah 44:3; Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8, 16:17-18; Luke 24:49;
Acts 2:17-18, 38; Acts 8:15-17; Acts 11:16 AV)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

...In God's Other Program of Mystery And GRACE! For The

[ Heavenly ] Body Of Christ!!:​

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

◄◄◄ Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION
Spiritually "Identifying" members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians 2:12; Galatians 3:27;
Romans 6:3-4; 1 Corinthians 12:13 AV)

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Concluding Question: God's ONE Baptism, Under Grace Today? = ONE?

Or, as some teach, we need to "add" water baptism [ from God's Other
Prophetic Program ] thus making Two baptisms Under Mystery/Grace =
bad Math ( which God Doesn't Have ), Correct, Precious friend(s)?

Longer/Expounded answer is here: ONE [ Spiritual ] Baptism

Amen.

Also see UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[homwardbound]

“Water Baptism is a good conscience between God Father, Son and me and all others who sincerely believe God in risen Son for them as well. It is not to gain anything more than the risen son himself, which Father gives freely, “

Its puzzling why people constantly try to remove the meaning of doctrine that’s so plain

The Bible teaches clearly what baptism is and means ‬‬. I wish I could find a forum tbat discussed what the Bible teaches

thank you for your sincerity, as we all go through things here on earth first. I am not any better than anyone else, I see to be water Baptized, yet not have to or else attitude of flesh and blood as religion does and commands it as if God did not do it all for us to be new in love and mercy to all
Do you love all, brother, whether or not they go along with your vies of the Bible messages?
Please answer that between Father and you
God interested in your belief personally over everyone else, thank you as I see you do believe God, y et not over man's interpretations yet
I Paul stated I am glad I Baptized none of you, then except a few. then said was not here to water Baptize. In his Acts walk he met others that said they had not heard of the Spirit Baptism, only knew John's baptism
Your free choice this is between Father and you, God syndic ing love to us all, thanks to Son taking away all sin first for us all and making us new in the risen Son for all who believe God
John 1:29, Col 1:21-22, then to remain verse 23
Thanks you for your wanting to know God personally, not just the words of the Bible. tha tis messed up in interpreting it by flesh and blood that will not ever please God

 

[Ouch]

Correct and incorrect, Satan knew what happened in RCC water when [ I DID NOT know ] as an infant. Then, Satan and I BOTH "knew what happened" in water when the 'church of christ' deceived me with water, but I wanted to be obedient to my Lord And Saviour, Jesus Christ, And I "got wet".

Amen.

I sure can see why your confused.

The catholic church has their own thing going on, why they baptized babies I have no clue sure not in JESUS word!

Then the baptist church who just follow the catholics in baptizing in JESUS titles not in JESUS name.

Satan's plan, keep them out of the water, if they get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.

How about we just look at HIS word and not follow any man??

JESUS said in John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Born of WATER AND OF SPIRIT TO ENTER, so there are two compondents besides repenting.

How do we get born of water and of spirit?

Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

HIS WORD IS CLEAR on how we get rid of our sins.

Bing born of the Spirit,

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 10,
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

JESUS also says in Mark 16,

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

According to JESUS which lines up with John 3:5 and Act 2:38-39 IF YOUR NOT BAPTIZED YOU ARE DAMNED.

And YOU WILL SPEAK IN NEW TONGUES.

PS, I'm not adding water I sharing HIS word.

Are you taking water away?

As I said, I can see why your confused and now you know why I say Satan knows what happens in the water. Do you?

Some more info, Look who the letters are addressed to,

1 Corinthians,
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:

2 Corinthians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Romans,
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians,
1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Ephesians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Philippians,
1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Colossians,
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians,
1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:


All letters after the book of Thessalonians had nothing to with Paul’s ministry to churches.

END RESULT, PAUL IS NOT SPEAKING TO THE UNSAVED BUT TO ESTABLISHED CHURCH'S.......

You will not see any place where Paul tells someone how to be saved after the book of Acts.

Why don't you follow Paul in Acts 19???

 

[FlyingDove]

“You keep saying no one believes water is the saving agent. But your doctrine requires exactly that.”

exactly my point eho designed baptism and gave the doctrine to the church ? Not me I assure you I’m just able to read .

“And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s baptism before jesus died and rose

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s what his apostles were doing preaching the gospel and baptizing for remission of sins . To be clear God designed baptism in water I didn’t I have just learned from the scriptures what baptism is for

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬


And that baptism is performed in water . I’m not willing to then begin claiming this somehow exalts water as savior lol in order to avoid acknowledging what it says

The thing is you guys can never just say yes Peter isn’t misleading us baptism is for remission of sins in his name . you have to begin explaining why this isn’t so

“be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins”

Then we begin hearing about “different baptisms “

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then we insist “baptism has nothing to do with water “

“And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:36-38‬ ‭

This place is puzzling , it’s more about rejecting what’s there and explaining what never is or has been there


Lol “my doctrine “

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yeah but not on water though some other baptism the apostles didn’t understand probably

“Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If only Peter and Phillip would have had this place as a guide maybe they wouldn’t have wasted time with “ water baptism for remission of sins “ I suppose

Understanding baptism through the lens of Jewish purification, apostolic preaching & the New Covenant High Priest.
(NOTE: Source: Jewish Virtual Library, Topical Bible, Sefaria & Hirsch)

Under the Mosaic Law, Israel practiced many ceremonial water‑purification immersions (Ex 30:19–21, 40:12, Lev 6:27, 13:54, 14:8–9, 15:16; 16:4, 22:6). Every Israelite understood these washings. Someone who was impure/unclean before immersion was considered pure/clean after immersion. These were ceremonial purifications, not forgiveness rituals

A mikveh full immersion purification ritual expressed: I acknowledge I've been in an unclean state, I'm turning away from that state, I'm returning to covenant faithfulness, I'm restoring my ritual status before God & community
(NOTE: Sources — Jewish Virtual Library; Topical Bible; Sefaria; Rabbi Samson R. Hirsch)

Unclean → immerse → clean.

Impure → immerse → pure.

Out of fellowship → immerse → restored. These immersions never removed sin. They restored ritual purity, not forgiveness.

John, Jesus, & Peter all spoke Aramaic & Hebrew, where repent meant Israel, return to God: Strong's Hebrew: 7725. שׁוּב (shub) -- Return, turn back, restore, repent

This is exactly how the Jews interpreted baptism.
John 3:25 says a dispute arose between John's disciples & a Jew "about purification". The debate wasn't about forgiveness or salvation, it was about purification. That's the category mikveh immersion/baptism expressed.
(NOTE: John the Baptist, his disciples, & Jesus' disciples all performed the baptism of repentance (Acts 19:4). This was a Jewish purification immersion ritual, unrelated to remission. John 3:25 confirms the crowds understood these baptisms as purification washings, preparing Israel to return to God & believe in the coming Messiah.

Acts 2, Peter is speaking to a Jewish audience using Jewish purification categories. Repent > return to God. Baptism > purification washing. Neither word means "water causes salvation."

Acts 2:1–4, The 120 received the Holy Spirit & were FOREVER (Jn 14:16) SEALED (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) & saved BEFORE WATER. So water IS NOT/CAN NOT be the saving agent. This destroys the idea that Peter is giving a water salvation formula.

Remission in the NAME, Not the Water
Acts 2:38, Repent, and be baptized every one of you "in the name of Jesus Christ" "for" "the remission of sins", and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
(NOTE: Repent = return to God. Be baptized = purify yourself (unclean > clean). Remission comes by calling on the Messiah, not by water. Peter is speaking to Israel, using the same purification categories they ALL knew)

Peter already said in Acts 2:21:
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. He doesn't contradict himself 17 verses later. This locks the remission category where Scripture puts it. IN THE NAME!

Peter himself explains Acts 2:38 in Acts 10:
Cornelius believed, received forgiveness through His NAME, received the Holy Spirit & was accepted by God before water.

Peter then says:
They HAVE received the Holy Spirit, can anyone forbid water? If they already HAVE the Spirit, water cannot be the cause of salvation.

In every conversion in Acts:
HEAR, BELIEVE, RECEIVE > the Spirit, THEN water baptism. Never the reverse.

Paul agrees with Peter:
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(NOTE: Paul say EXACTLY the same thing Peter Quoted Joel saying. Calling on the NAME is the CAUSE)

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].
(NOTE: They HEARD > BELIEVED > REVEIVED the HOLY SPIRIT & are NOW OWNED & PROTECTED by GOD & NO WATER NEEDED!)

Finally:
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: For by "ONE SPIRIT" we are "ALL BAPTIZED" "INTO ONE BODY! Translators capitalized Spirit to identify when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with HIS salvation sealing forever indwelling Holy Spirit.)

Spiritual baptism is the event where, through repentance > from unbelief to belief/FAITH. Placed in Jesus sacrificial sin atoning death & resurrection. The believer is FOREVER (Jn 14:16) indwelt/BAPTIZED via Christ's salvation SEALNG (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14), eternal life giving (Jn 10:28) Holy Spirit!

Spiritual baptism doesn't require any hands or H2O.

Col 2:11 In whom also ""ye are circumcised with the circumcision"" ""made without hands"", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh ""by the circumcision of Christ""
(NOTE: The baptism of the ETERNALLY SEALING (2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, Eph 4:4) FOREVER INDWELLING (Jn14:16) Holy Spirit is a ""Spiritual Circumcision Covenant"" done ""by Christ Alone"", WITHOUT HANDS & WITHOUT WATER.)

 

[Ouch]

Acts 4:12 declares that salvation is found in no one else and in no other name under heaven. God has given only one saving name — the name of Jesus Christ. There is no second option, no alternate path, no ritual substitute & no competing authority.

THE SUPREME NAME: Higher Than Angels, Higher Than All Creation, Confessed by Every Knee

Matt 28:18 Jesus said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

Phil 2:9 God has highly exalted Him and given Him the name above every name.

Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, power, might, dominion & every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Heb 1:4 He has inherited a name more excellent than the angels.

Col 2:9-10 All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him bodily; He is the head of all principality and power.

Heb 1:4 He has inherited a name more excellent than the angels.

JESUS NAME IS THE AGENT OF SALVATION
Jn 1:12 those who receive Him and believe in His name become children of God.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in His name is not condemned.
Jn 20:31 Life is found in His name.

FORGIVENESS IS THROUGH HIS NAME
Acts 10:43 everyone who believes in His name receives forgiveness of sins.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

SALVATION IS ACCESSED BY CALLING ON HIS NAME
Acts 2:21 whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Rom 10:13 everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Acts 22:16 calling on His name is the cleansing agent.

THE SPIRIT IS GIVEN IN HIS NAME
Jn 14:26 the Father sends the Spirit in My name.
(NOTE: The Spirit is salvations eternal seal.)

ETERNAL LIFE IS GRANTED FOR THE SAKE OF HIS NAME
1 Jn 2:12 Sins are forgiven for His name's sake.
1 Jn Believers in His name have eternal life.

ACCEPTANCE BEFORE GOD IS IN HIS NAME
Acts 4:12 salvation is in no other name under heaven.
Acts 5:41 They rejoice to suffer for the name

THE THEOLOGICAL CONCLUSION
The New Testament repeatedly attributes salvation, forgiveness, justification, sanctification, the gift of the Holy Spirit & eternal life to the NAME of Jesus.
not to water, not to rituals, not to tongues.

The NAME is the saving agent. The Spirit is the applying agent. Water never appears as the cause of salvation in any of the posts passages.

Rituals don't take away sin, water doesn't take away sin, speaking in tongues doesn't take away sin, good works don't take away sin.

Heb 9:22 Blood is the working agent that takes away sin

Jn 1:29 (B) Behold the Lamb of God, """""which taketh away the sin of the world."""""

Only Faith placed in the finished sacrificial sin atoning work of God's Lamb/Jesus Christ takes away sin.

Attention ritual promoters:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

(NOTE: Calling on the NAME is the operative saving agent. The water is a commanded act of obedience, a public confession, an outward identification with His death & resurrection. It marks the beginning of discipleship, not the means of salvation.)

Jesus NAME is 1st cause the only Way, the Truth & He alone hold the keys to eternal life. Amen

JESUS, JESUS, JESUS said.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Do you see how well they go together?

You say something different, who should I follow?

 

[FlyingDove]

Baptism - John the Baptist - Peter - Jesus & Remission

Scripture Study Principles
All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us.

Myles Coverdale's classic interpretive grid still holds:
Of whom is it spoken? To whom? With what words? At what time? Under what circumstances? What comes before & after? What is the intent?

In short:
What's the timeframe? Who's writing? Who's being addressed? What's happening? What's the context before & after?

Acts: A Transition Book
Acts maps the shift from the dispensation of Law to the dispensation of Grace. John the Baptist never baptized a Gentile in the Judean wilderness & no Gentile receives the Holy Spirit at Pentecost on the Temple Mount (Acts 2). The categories are 100% Jewish from start to finish.

Understanding Baptism Through Jewish Eyes
(NOTE: Source: Jewish Virtual Library, Topical Bible, Sefaria & Hirsch)

Under the Mosaic Law, Israel practiced many ceremonial water‑purification immersions (Ex 30; Lev 6, 13–16, 22). Every Israelite understood the pattern:
Unclean > immerse > clean.

Impure > immerse > pure.

Out of fellowship > immerse > restored.

These immersions never removed sin. They restored ritual purity, not forgiveness.

A full Mikveh (precursor to NT baptism) immersion purification ritual expressed: I acknowledge I've been in an unclean state, I'm turning away from that state, I'm returning to covenant faithfulness, I'm restoring my ritual status before God & community

John, Jesus, & Peter all spoke Aramaic & Hebrew, where repent meant > return to God. See Strong's Hebrew repent: h7725. שׁוּב (shub) -- Return, turn back, restore

Category Is Purification:
John 3:25 records a dispute between John's disciples about purification. Not forgiveness. Not salvation. PURIFICATION! This is exactly how Jews interpreted immersion.
(NOTE: John the Baptist, his disciples, & Jesus' disciples all performed the baptism of repentance.

Acts 19:4 confirms John's baptism was a baptism of repentance, preparing Israel to believe in the coming Messiah. It was not a remission ritual.

John the Baptist's mission was to prepare the way of the Lord (Mal 3:1 & Matt 3:3). His "baptism of repentance" was preparatory, not remissive.
Confession of sins = acknowledging they had turned away > Immersion = becoming ceremonially clean > This is Mosaic purification, not atonement.

Acts & the Purification Pattern

Acts 2:38
Repent, and be baptized every one of you "in the name of Jesus Christ" "for" "the remission of sins", and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
(NOTE: Repent = return to God. Be baptized = purify yourself (unclean > clean). Remission comes by calling on the Messiah, not by water. Peter is speaking to Israel, using the same purification categories they ALL knew)

Acts 22:16 “Be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
(NOTE: The washing is symbolic > the calling is effective.)

Acts 8:12 “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
(NOTE: They believed Philip's preaching, then were baptized. Faith precedes water. Remission is tied to Christ, not immersion.)

"Nothing external removes sin."

Faith in ehe NAME saves, Faith in the BLOOD removes sin & the Jesus HOLY SPIRIT Baptism Forever seals the believers salvation. Water is a obedience response.

Scripture is clear:
"Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22).

Jesus said, “This is My blood > shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:28).

He washed us from our sins in His own blood (Rev 1:5).

Foreshadow & Fulfillment

Lev 16:21, Aaron laid both hands on the substitute, confessed the sins of the nation & imputes/transfers the sins onto the innocent victim. That was the foreshadow.

Jesus is the fulfillment.

Heb identifies Jesus as our great High Priest (Heb 4:14), called by God after the order of Melchizedek (Heb 5:10) & Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb 9:15; 12:24)

Under the Old Covenant, the priest transferred sin. Under the New Covenant, Christ performs the real sin‑transfer.

When we call on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21 & Rom 10:13) & place our faith in Jesus' sin-atoning death & resurrection, He forgives all our sins (Heb 10:10–18) & imputes our sins onto Himself (Heb 10:10; 2 Cor 5:19; Rom 4:8, 11, 22–24). At that same moment, He baptizes the believer with His forever (Jn 14:16), salvation‑sealing (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22, 2 Cor 5:5) indwelling Holy Spirit in you.

Anyone can immerse someone into water. Only Jesus, who knows the true heart, can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit. Jesus then imputes His righteousness to us (2 Cor 5:21, Ja 2:23 & Isa 61:10), the righteousness pictured as the white robe in Rev 19:7–8 that grants us entrance to the marriage supper of the Lamb.

Salvation Across the Ages

Before the incarnation, God required FAITH in the promised Messiah who would come (Gen 15:6 & Isa 53). During Jesus' earthly ministry, people were called to BELIEVE that He was the Messiah (Jn 20:31). After His death & resurrection, salvation is accessed through FAITH (Rom 5:1-2) in His finished, sin‑atoning work (Rom 3:25–26 & 1 Cor 15:1–4). In every era, salvation has always been by FAITH in God's Messiah & never by ritual, never by water, never by external acts.

The Gentile Timeline
Acts shows a deliberate 7–10 year gap between:
Gentile inclusion (Cornelius, Acts 10), Gentile evangelism (Paul, Acts 13), Even after Cornelius, the Jerusalem church preached "to Jews only" (Acts 11:19). The categories remained Jewish long after Pentecost.

This matters:
Neither John's water baptism nor early Acts water baptisms were ever the mechanism of remission. Water purified the ceremonially unclean. Only blood removes sin (Lev 17:11).

Conclusion
The only thing that removes sin from the soul is FAITH placed in the finished, sacrificial, sin‑atoning work of our great God & Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.

 

[Ouch]

Baptism - John the Baptist - Peter - Jesus & Remission

Scripture Study Principles
All Scripture is written for us, but not all Scripture is written to us.

Myles Coverdale's classic interpretive grid still holds:
Of whom is it spoken? To whom? With what words? At what time? Under what circumstances? What comes before & after? What is the intent?

In short:
What's the timeframe? Who's writing? Who's being addressed? What's happening? What's the context before & after?

Acts: A Transition Book
Acts maps the shift from the dispensation of Law to the dispensation of Grace. John the Baptist never baptized a Gentile in the Judean wilderness & no Gentile receives the Holy Spirit at Pentecost on the Temple Mount (Acts 2). The categories are 100% Jewish from start to finish.

Understanding Baptism Through Jewish Eyes
(NOTE: Source: Jewish Virtual Library, Topical Bible, Sefaria & Hirsch)

Under the Mosaic Law, Israel practiced many ceremonial water‑purification immersions (Ex 30; Lev 6, 13–16, 22). Every Israelite understood the pattern:
Unclean > immerse > clean.

Impure > immerse > pure.

Out of fellowship > immerse > restored.

These immersions never removed sin. They restored ritual purity, not forgiveness.

A full Mikveh (precursor to NT baptism) immersion purification ritual expressed: I acknowledge I've been in an unclean state, I'm turning away from that state, I'm returning to covenant faithfulness, I'm restoring my ritual status before God & community

John, Jesus, & Peter all spoke Aramaic & Hebrew, where repent meant > return to God. See Strong's Hebrew repent: h7725. שׁוּב (shub) -- Return, turn back, restore

Category Is Purification:
John 3:25 records a dispute between John's disciples about purification. Not forgiveness. Not salvation. PURIFICATION! This is exactly how Jews interpreted immersion.
(NOTE: John the Baptist, his disciples, & Jesus' disciples all performed the baptism of repentance.

Acts 19:4 confirms John's baptism was a baptism of repentance, preparing Israel to believe in the coming Messiah. It was not a remission ritual.

John the Baptist's mission was to prepare the way of the Lord (Mal 3:1 & Matt 3:3). His "baptism of repentance" was preparatory, not remissive.
Confession of sins = acknowledging they had turned away > Immersion = becoming ceremonially clean > This is Mosaic purification, not atonement.

Acts & the Purification Pattern

Acts 2:38
Repent, and be baptized every one of you "in the name of Jesus Christ" "for" "the remission of sins", and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
(NOTE: Repent = return to God. Be baptized = purify yourself (unclean > clean). Remission comes by calling on the Messiah, not by water. Peter is speaking to Israel, using the same purification categories they ALL knew)

Acts 22:16 “Be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
(NOTE: The washing is symbolic > the calling is effective.)

Acts 8:12 “But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
(NOTE: They believed Philip's preaching, then were baptized. Faith precedes water. Remission is tied to Christ, not immersion.)

"Nothing external removes sin."

Faith in ehe NAME saves, Faith in the BLOOD removes sin & the Jesus HOLY SPIRIT Baptism Forever seals the believers salvation. Water is a obedience response.

Scripture is clear:
"Without shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22).

Jesus said, “This is My blood > shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:28).

He washed us from our sins in His own blood (Rev 1:5).

Foreshadow & Fulfillment

Lev 16:21, Aaron laid both hands on the substitute, confessed the sins of the nation & imputes/transfers the sins onto the innocent victim. That was the foreshadow.

Jesus is the fulfillment.

Heb identifies Jesus as our great High Priest (Heb 4:14), called by God after the order of Melchizedek (Heb 5:10) & Mediator of the New Covenant (Heb 9:15; 12:24)

Under the Old Covenant, the priest transferred sin. Under the New Covenant, Christ performs the real sin‑transfer.

When we call on the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21 & Rom 10:13) & place our faith in Jesus' sin-atoning death & resurrection, He forgives all our sins (Heb 10:10–18) & imputes our sins onto Himself (Heb 10:10; 2 Cor 5:19; Rom 4:8, 11, 22–24). At that same moment, He baptizes the believer with His forever (Jn 14:16), salvation‑sealing (Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22, 2 Cor 5:5) indwelling Holy Spirit in you.

Anyone can immerse someone into water. Only Jesus, who knows the true heart, can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit. Jesus then imputes His righteousness to us (2 Cor 5:21, Ja 2:23 & Isa 61:10), the righteousness pictured as the white robe in Rev 19:7–8 that grants us entrance to the marriage supper of the Lamb.

Salvation Across the Ages

Before the incarnation, God required FAITH in the promised Messiah who would come (Gen 15:6 & Isa 53). During Jesus' earthly ministry, people were called to BELIEVE that He was the Messiah (Jn 20:31). After His death & resurrection, salvation is accessed through FAITH (Rom 5:1-2) in His finished, sin‑atoning work (Rom 3:25–26 & 1 Cor 15:1–4). In every era, salvation has always been by FAITH in God's Messiah & never by ritual, never by water, never by external acts.

The Gentile Timeline
Acts shows a deliberate 7–10 year gap between:
Gentile inclusion (Cornelius, Acts 10), Gentile evangelism (Paul, Acts 13), Even after Cornelius, the Jerusalem church preached "to Jews only" (Acts 11:19). The categories remained Jewish long after Pentecost.

This matters:
Neither John's water baptism nor early Acts water baptisms were ever the mechanism of remission. Water purified the ceremonially unclean. Only blood removes sin (Lev 17:11).

Conclusion
The only thing that removes sin from the soul is FAITH placed in the finished, sacrificial, sin‑atoning work of our great God & Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.

Can you prove your right without telling us what GODS word says and means, let HIM do the talking ONLY?

Don't explain scripture, let it explain it self!!!

Using SCRIPTURE ONLY tell us how to be reborn, SCRIPTURE ONLY!!!

NOT ONE OTHER WORD.

 

[FlyingDove]

Acts 10:44 & Eph 1:13, provide the doctrinal evidence that salvation occurs at the point of faith, placed in Jesus, prior to any ritual action.

In Acts 10:44, the Holy Spirit falls upon Cornelius & his household while Peter is still speaking. The narrative is careful to note that this occurs before baptism (Acts 10:47). Peter later interprets this event at the Jerusalem Council, stating that God "purified their hearts by faith" (Acts 15:9). This is the inspired apostolic explanation of what happened. The Spirit's coming is consistently presented in Scripture as the definitive marker of salvation (Rom 8:9; Gal 3:2; Eph 1:13). Therefore, the text itself requires us to conclude that Cornelius was saved at the moment he believed.

Eph 1:13 provides the doctrinal counterpart to the narrative. Paul outlines the sequence with precision:
Hearing the word of truth > Believing the gospel > Being sealed with the Holy Spirit

FAITH placed in Jesus saves, the BLOOD washes away sin & Jesus Holy Spirit baptism SEALS the believers salvation. Water is never cause of salvation.

No additional steps are needed FAITH & SEALING. Jesus Holy Spirit baptisms SEALING is the divine confirmation of salvation & Paul treats it as such. The text does not allow for a later sacramental trigger.

These passages do not diminish the importance of baptism as an act of obedience, identification with Jesus death & resurrection & public confession. But they do make clear that baptism is not the instrument of remission or the means by which salvation is conferred.

The New Testament consistently attributes forgiveness, justification & spiritual life to faith in Christ & to the application of His atoning work, not to external rites.

The Scriptures themselves present both a narrative example Acts 10 (confirmed by scripture Acts 15:9) & a doctrinal explanation (Eph 1:13) in which salvation is explicitly tied to faith prior to any ritual action. Any theological system that denies this must explain why the apostolic witness does not align with its claims.