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The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?
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Great video on righteousness by faith. I had it summarized below as well
1) “Righteousness by faith” is not only forgiveness, but a living experience
- They emphasize that salvation is not just a legal declaration on the record (forgiveness), but also Christ’s life working in the believer (changed living).
- They frame this as both:
- Righteousness “upon” us (credited / counted to us), and
- Righteousness “in” us (the Spirit producing obedience in real life
- “Much more… we shall be saved by His life.” (Romans 5:10, NKJV)
- Grace is not permission to continue in sin. (Romans 6:1–2, 15, NKJV)
- They say the Holy Spirit begins transforming the believer right away, and the lifetime “process” is our ongoing cooperation and growth.
- They highlight that God’s goal is full heart-level holiness, not surface religion.
- “Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely… preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23, NKJV)
- “For the grace of God… teaches us… to live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age.” (Titus 2:11–12, NKJV)
- A major argument is: Jesus truly entered human conditions (“flesh and blood”), faced real temptation, yet did not sin—so He can sympathize and supply victory.
- They stress this is not just “Jesus did it so you don’t have to,” but “Jesus did it to show it can be done by faith and to give power to His people.”
- “Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same…” (Hebrews 2:14, NKJV)
- “Tempted as we are, yet without sin.” (Hebrews 4:15, NKJV)
- They interpret “resurrection” as a present spiritual reality: Christ’s risen life breaks sin’s dominion now.
- They argue that denying present victory over sin is, functionally, doubting what Christ’s resurrection accomplishes for the believer
- “I am the resurrection and the life… whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.” (John 11:25–26, NKJV)
- “And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!” (1 Corinthians 15:17, NKJV)
- “Sin shall not have dominion over you…” (Romans 6:14, NKJV)
- They connect baptism to a real turning point: dying to the old life and walking in “newness of life.”
- They emphasize obedience as the fruit of faith, not a self-powered project.
- “We were buried with Him through baptism into death… even so we also should walk in newness of life.” (Romans 6:4, NKJV)
- “Raised with Him through faith in the working of God…” (Colossians 2:12, NKJV)
- “That the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.” (Romans 8:4, NKJV)
- They define grace as both pardon and divine power to change the heart—so grace trains obedience.
- They point to Romans 6 itself: Paul anticipates the “grace = license” misunderstanding and rejects it.
- “For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.” (Romans 6:14, NKJV)
- “Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!” (Romans 6:15, NKJV)
- Their “faith” framework: God gives conviction (truth), the believer yields, then steps forward—like biblical stories where obedience happens as you act on God’s word.
- They contrast this with “faith + works” as meriting sanctification; they argue sanctification is Christ working within, received by surrender.
- “Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to present you faultless…” (Jude 24, NKJV)
- They present an end-time emphasis: God finishes a work of cleansing and sealing; Christ’s intercession ends, so God’s people must be fully clinging to Christ’s indwelling life.
- They preview a “part 2” about final atonement / blotting out sin
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People who tell you, you must obey the law to prove you have saving faith, will not understand Rom7:5 IF(IF) they are only concerned with outward obedience. If they believe the law MUST also be obeyed inwardly, they should be able to understand it!
The outward law and inward law work interchangeably as Jesus taught Mat5:19-30. The teaching that we should turn away from the thoughts that leads to lust is not okay but committing adultery is. Its really nonsensical. Jesus said it plainly, it leads to sin which is breaking the law of God 1John3:4 James 2:11 Rom7:7 Mat5:19-30
This is what Jesus teaches about sin and how harmful it is.
Mark 9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire—
This is what Jesus teaches about sin and how harmful it is.
Mark 9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire—
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I was taught when someone points a finger at someone they have three pointing back at them.
Getting stuck on Paul and losing sight of what Jesus taught I think is the bigger issue. Especially when we are told plainly many misunderstand him and twist sadly to a place where Jesus says depart from Me. Jesus is the way, how did Jesus live what did He teach. Jesus never taught lawlessness, He plainly said if you love Me, keep My commandments. John14:15 Paul never taught anything different. He taught if we are in Christ why would we want to love in sin (breaking God's law) any longer. Rom6:1-4 if we are not walking a new life in Christ we might want to consider the path we are on.
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So you tell me if you understand this. Why through Saul's knowledge of the command not to covet was all manner of concupiscence aroused in him?I was taught when someone points a finger at someone they have three pointing back at them.
Paul wrote this not Saul, and if we are doing what sin is we are more like Saul than Christ.
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Thankfully you are not my judge, we all have someone much Greater we will all be accountable to. Ecc12:13-14 We are accountable for everything we say, everything we teach Mat5:19 every accusation against others we make.
The spirit of accusations and judgement is not what I wish to subject myself to, its not fruitful. God will sort everything out in His time. Best I move on.
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I will repeat what I wrote earlier, those who are only concerned with obeying the law outwardly, will not understand that verse. Those who believe the law MUST also be obeyed inwardly should understand it
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Your get out of jail free card always gets played when you have no answer to a question put!
Discernment is not based on one persons interpretations of Scriptures and if someone else holds a different view than they don't have discernment from the Holy Spirit. This is really setting someone up as being infallible and elevating self. Its one thing to say I don't agree with you because of x y z but to make an accusation of discernment from the Holy Spirit is making oneself to be god.
We as Christians need to be really careful which character are we taking on. The spirit of the accuser Rev12:10 and the spirit of self-elevating Isa 14:14 is not a spirit coming from Christ. We need to lift up the character of God and and His words. While we may disagree in the meaning of those sometimes, only God know who is in Him and who is not, so lets leave that to God. Too many of these discussions end up in personal attacks which is not the spirit God wants for us towards each other.
We as Christians need to be really careful which character are we taking on. The spirit of the accuser Rev12:10 and the spirit of self-elevating Isa 14:14 is not a spirit coming from Christ. We need to lift up the character of God and and His words. While we may disagree in the meaning of those sometimes, only God know who is in Him and who is not, so lets leave that to God. Too many of these discussions end up in personal attacks which is not the spirit God wants for us towards each other.
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But you did not have any view did you of Rom7:5, when asked, so to deflect, you must malign me, that is a classic example of what happens
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There are people on this thread who say:
‘’You MUST obey the TC,’’ and Im sure, they believe righteousness hinges on obeying them, the op certainly does based on his comments. Indeed, I’m sure they would say if you do not obey the TC you show you do not have saving/justifiable faith. They would also say, the TC come as one whole unit, transgress one you transgress them all. But do they actually believe their statements in the outworking of their lives?
I’m sure, if they did not set aside a set Saturday sabbath, they would consider themselves being in wilfull disobedience to God, and therefore, could not attain to Heaven. But would they view every commandment as that one?
We know the tenth commandment covers lust/sexual desire, for that is the definition of concupiscence as mentioned by Paul. You must not covet, lust/have sexual desire for anyone apart from your spouse. You must not dwell on any impure thought. Would people who believe a set Saturday sabbath to be imperative also believe obeying the tenth commandment was just as imperative? Would they say to themselves ‘’I must not dwell on any impure thought, if I do I will end up in hell because I am transgressing the TC’’? If they actually did believe in their hearts, Heaven or hell hinges, for them on not dwelling on any impure thought. What would be the result of actually believing that? What would be the practical outworking in their lives of actually believing that in their heart?
Or, would they not go that far? Would they simply trivialise what goes on, on the inside of them, and think it didn’t matter/downgrading in effect one of the TC? Such people would not understand Paul’s words. He of course did not trivialise the TC in Rom7:5, he held them to the level they were set at, hence his words. I know there are many people who believe what they have been told ‘’You must obey the TC’’ who end up just as Paul explained in Rom7:5, Christian counsellors then spend much time with them, helping them in their plight. For they have trivialised nothing in the TC, genuine sincere folk who would be horrified at doing so in their sincerity.
Would people who keep insisting ‘’you must obey the TC’’ be concerned at what happens to others who fully believe their statements? Or would they walk on by, not being in the slightest concerned?
‘’You MUST obey the TC,’’ and Im sure, they believe righteousness hinges on obeying them, the op certainly does based on his comments. Indeed, I’m sure they would say if you do not obey the TC you show you do not have saving/justifiable faith. They would also say, the TC come as one whole unit, transgress one you transgress them all. But do they actually believe their statements in the outworking of their lives?
I’m sure, if they did not set aside a set Saturday sabbath, they would consider themselves being in wilfull disobedience to God, and therefore, could not attain to Heaven. But would they view every commandment as that one?
We know the tenth commandment covers lust/sexual desire, for that is the definition of concupiscence as mentioned by Paul. You must not covet, lust/have sexual desire for anyone apart from your spouse. You must not dwell on any impure thought. Would people who believe a set Saturday sabbath to be imperative also believe obeying the tenth commandment was just as imperative? Would they say to themselves ‘’I must not dwell on any impure thought, if I do I will end up in hell because I am transgressing the TC’’? If they actually did believe in their hearts, Heaven or hell hinges, for them on not dwelling on any impure thought. What would be the result of actually believing that? What would be the practical outworking in their lives of actually believing that in their heart?
Or, would they not go that far? Would they simply trivialise what goes on, on the inside of them, and think it didn’t matter/downgrading in effect one of the TC? Such people would not understand Paul’s words. He of course did not trivialise the TC in Rom7:5, he held them to the level they were set at, hence his words. I know there are many people who believe what they have been told ‘’You must obey the TC’’ who end up just as Paul explained in Rom7:5, Christian counsellors then spend much time with them, helping them in their plight. For they have trivialised nothing in the TC, genuine sincere folk who would be horrified at doing so in their sincerity.
Would people who keep insisting ‘’you must obey the TC’’ be concerned at what happens to others who fully believe their statements? Or would they walk on by, not being in the slightest concerned?
Jesus asked that people keep the ten commandments that he was constantly teaching, if we love him. People who who belong to Him do as he asked.
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Undergrace1
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Jesus said if you love me obey my commandments, the commands he was teaching the people, something you constantly avoid
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Would you not like to comment on the post as a whole? Can you confirm, as you believe righteousness hinges on obeying the TC, that includes not dwelling on any impure thought? If you do, you must end up in hell, for you cannot then be righteous in God's sight?
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Just read the beatitudes:
'''If you love me obey my commandments'''
Why do you ignore Jesus teaching in the gospels?
Is it sin in your view not to obey Jesus commands in those books?