Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Undergrace1]

Well then you should probably understand flesh and blood has no inheritance and the inheritance isn’t of this world

Of course, if God has a plan, to draw physical Israelites en masse, at a time in the future to his son, he has every right to do it, nobody can say he cannot, for he is God Almighty. That should address your scriptures

 

[HeIsHere]

Of course, if God has a plan, to draw physical Israelites en masse, at a time in the future to his son, he has every right to do it, nobody can say he cannot, for he is God Almighty. That should address your scriptures

Yes "if"
Individual spiritual salvation is not by group, never has been but by belief, faith and trust.

Genesis 15:6 states, "Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness".

But God does elect groups to service as He did with the ancient Israelite people.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Of course, if God has a plan, to draw physical Israelites en masse, at a time in the future to his son, he has every right to do it, nobody can say he cannot, for he is God Almighty. That should address your scriptures

Yes “ if “ that was what he had planned but anything he had planned is the same my friend like this type of thing

“I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah ( Jesus ) an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:1-3, 6-9, 15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What I meant by considering the ot and new together

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”


“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One of full of prophecy the other it’s fulfillment and also the new offer it’s own promises and blessings and promised land for inheritance

the old was broken by the people God made a new one with them with better promises and inheritance

 

[Inquisitor]

The Gentile church as we know it is grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, access to God is extended to us Gentiles

A slight misinterpretation of the text.

Gentiles are grafted into the root of the olive tree in Romans 11.

The root is Christ.

Gentiles are directly grafted into Jesus.

Branches were broken off (Commonwealth of Israel) from the root which is Christ.

Romans 11:17
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you (Gentiles), being a wild olive, were grafted in among them
and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree.

Gentiles are not grafted into the state of Israel.

 

[Undergrace1]

Yes “ if “ that was what he had planned but anything he had planned is the same my friend like this type of thing

“I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.

Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah ( Jesus ) an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:1-3, 6-9, 15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

What I meant by considering the ot and new together

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”


“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One of full of prophecy the other it’s fulfillment and also the new offer it’s own promises and blessings and promised land for inheritance

the old was broken by the people God made a new one with them with better promises and inheritance

Thing is, you have to ignore huge swathes of scripture, I do not

 

[Karlon]

absolutely not, never!!!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thing is, you have to ignore huge swathes of scripture, I do not

Yeah ….. I don’t have to ignore this or pretend I don’t know what it says though it makes my point for me

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭

 

[Undergrace1]

Yeah ….. I don’t have to ignore this or pretend I don’t know what it says though it makes my point for me

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭

As you have nothing to repudiate the huge swathes of scripture I posted in this thread, I will bid you good day

 

[Undergrace1]

It’s a bit like when Jesus walked this earth. So many OT prophecies came true concerning him, yet most of the people refused to see it.

Its written numerous times by the OT prophets God would return the Israelites to their biblical homeland in future times and bless them there. In 1948 they became a nation again in their biblical homeland, or part thereof, yet so many refuse to see it is the beginning of the outworking of those prophecies.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Some people assert they are in a state of God induced blindness for 2000+ years, not really sure why some slip through and believe.

All the nations have believers in Christ. I was raised Catholic.
In India, there are converts from Hinduism and Buddhism, etc.
There is a surprising teaching by some popular preachers on TV that Jews got a raw deal and that Jesus never said that he was Christ.
One of the most popular evangelists said that they have lots in common with the poope and that any person goes to Heaven even if they don't trust Jesus.
Another said he himself was god almighty.

What's with so called evangelicals going along with this heresy?

 

[Lovette]

A slight misinterpretation of the text.

Gentiles are grafted into the root of the olive tree in Romans 11.

The root is Christ.

Gentiles are directly grafted into Jesus.

Branches were broken off (Commonwealth of Israel) from the root which is Christ.

Romans 11:17
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you (Gentiles), being a wild olive, were grafted in among them
and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree.

Gentiles are not grafted into the state of Israel.

I beg to differ. "Commonwealth of Israel" is not the same as Jews, this term is referring to the redeemed assembly of Christ, the Great Multitude in John's vision, which covers both Jews and Gentiles. Jews are branches as much as Gentiles, the difference is that Jews are natural branches, Gentiles are granted from a "wild olive tree". Misinterpretation is yours.

Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. (Eph. 2:11-13)

 

[Lovette]

Also consider this part

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

flesh and blood doesn’t make anyone an Israelite accepting Jesus Christ makes one a child of Abraham and hiers of the promise made to Abraham the father of many nations in Christ

Let me simplify with a historical approach - whenever the term "Israel" pops up, keep in mind always that it's NOT equivalent with ethnical Jews nor modern state of Israel between the Mediterrinean Sea and Jordan River. Israel used to be a conglomerate of twevle tribes, Jews are two tribes, Judah and Benjamin, the other ten were lost after the Assyrian conquest, they were scattered around the world and fully assimilated into other nations. So when Jesus said he came for the lost children of Israel, that's what He was referring to. The prodigal son was also primarily a metaphor for the ten lost tribes. Now through Christ, the lost could be found, Gentiles could be adopted as children of God under the Abrahamic covenant below.

I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed. (Gen. 12:2-3)

James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad:
Greetings. (James 1:1)

 

[sawdust]

The preacher is Dr James Tour. He is a brilliant scientist, a fervent evangelist and knowledgeable about Israel's place in God's plan and purpose. It is quite long, but well worth hearing. Replacement people don't listen. You will have to change your minds if you do.

Are you able to add a poll to this thread? I would be interested to get an overview of people's thoughts.

I'm a No replacement person.

Saving the video for a later look.

 

[HeIsHere]

Are you able to add a poll to this thread? I would be interested to get an overview of people's thoughts.

I'm a No replacement person.

Saving the video for a later look.

Replacement theology is not a thing, it is a straw man used by the John Hagee et al., dispensationalists

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Replacement theology is not a thing, it is a straw man used by the John Hagee et al., dispensationalists

Any person who says that pastor John hagee's book is wrong will be tried as an antisemite. You must buy his book at $14+$5 s/h and sign the agreement that you are on team Jewishismor you are an antisemite bad person.

 

[Gideon300]

Of course, if God has a plan, to draw physical Israelites en masse, at a time in the future to his son, he has every right to do it, nobody can say he cannot, for he is God Almighty. That should address your scriptures

You do not know God's plan and purpose as revealed in scrip

Replacement theology is not a thing, it is a straw man used by the John Hagee et al., dispensationalists

Of course it is a thing. Enough people have jumped up and down about Israel's place in God's plan for me to be made well aware of it.
As an aside, I don't agree at all with John's Hagee's assertion that Israel will be saved apart from Christ. I can't listen to him, I'm not sure why. He just grates on me.

 

[Gideon300]

Are you able to add a poll to this thread? I would be interested to get an overview of people's thoughts.

I'm a No replacement person.

Saving the video for a later look.

I've not done a poll before. I'll see what I can do.

 

[Gideon300]

Well then you should probably understand flesh and blood has no inheritance and the inheritance isn’t of this world

You do not know God's plan and purpose as revealed in scripture. You do not understand God's covenant with Israel. Try studying scripture. God's covenant with Israel, which includes literal physical land and people, will endure as long as the sun rises and the moon orbits the earth. I checked when I got up this morning. Nothing has changed.

The book of Revelation makes no sense if Israel is no longer God's nation. I can't see Muslims, or anyone but the Jews, building the third temple. And that must happen before the beginning of the millennium. Do you not know that the meek will inherit the earth? What do you think that means? Do you not know that God will appoint the faithful to rule the earth during the millennium? I thought that you knew the Bible. I guess not.

 

[ewq1938]

The origin of the Christian church began with Jews/Israel. The church has always been true Israel in Christ from it's beginning and continues to be that way today but with the inclusion of gentiles. It is the same with the concept of the bride of Christ and the body of Christ. The bride and body started with Jews/Israel. Gentiles that accept Christ become part/are grafted into these concepts and become part of the Church, part of the bride, part of the body and part of the great olive tree which has many of the natural Jewish branches since the ministry of Christ and beyond.

No one replaced anyone else. Some bad branches were removed, some good new branches were added. Replacement theology is false. Removal theology is true.

 

[Gideon300]

Rev 3:9
Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.

Maybe, just maybe there is more to this verse than we have been taught.......Replacement theology of today could very well be in this verse.......Notice how it is not "to the Lake of Fire for you!" It is a shame and a wake up call.........Discipline for believers who thought they "replaced" the Jew.

For me, it is a mystery how those who are born again can so misconstrue God's Word. Even as the truth literally stares them in the face, they deny that God brought Israel back to the land that He gave them.