Loss of salvation???

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Kroogz said:
His effect has been greatly diminished( on this forum)by the few here who have doctrine in their soul.......I pray.

Antagonism to His Gospel and meat are off the charts IMO. Thank God for His remnant.
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I learned that my goal was to not refute him to get him to admit he is wrong.
I realized at one point that he is too detached to let it bother him.

My simple goal was to keep him talking more and more, as to expose himself to the point where others would see for themselves what he really is. To see that he is really without excuse.

Possibly...

At some time in his life, he was around simple minded Christians who would become reactionary to react emotionally when he upset them. He probably got his jollies doing that.
 
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Genez said:
You must have hung around real Christians at some point.
Learned some lingo.

That's all.
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This was one of pastor Bobs talking points or "stress points."

STOP and do nothing for a year(or more)except for study. Unlearn the garbage from religion and learn Bible doctrine.

New believers were easier, they haven't been as corrupted.
 
Kroogz said:
This was one of pastor Bobs talking points or "stress points."

STOP and do nothing for a year(or more)except for study. Unlearn the garbage from religion and learn Bible doctrine.

New believers were easier, they haven't been as corrupted.
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Pastor Bob attended the same Bible college as I did. He graduated when I first entered.

The school stressed getting a job to support your attending, and take classes every day.
It was five days a week classes on various aspects concerning knowledge of the Word.
One of my favorite classes was called "Survey of Doctrine."
It was geared towards taking young Christians and make them become acclimated to making study of the Word their life.

An interesting thing I learned later on. The President and founder of the college had studied from RBT for years.
Many of his teachings were gleaned from RBT, but we never knew it. We did not need to know it. For the Word well taught
was what most of us were after and what mattered.
 
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Ouch said:
Point is you are basing your life on Paul's statements which are not to the unsaved!!!
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Excuse me? John the Baptist said Jesus would baptize with the Spirit. Jesus said He would baptize with the Spirit. Peter remembered Jesus said He would baptize with the Spirit. Plus, your comment is ridiculous as baptism is for believers. It is through the baptism of the Spirit that one is made to be in Christ.

Acts 16:30-31
30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Ouch said:
According to you, correct me if I'm wrong you have not been baptized in JESUS name or received the Holy Ghost.
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I never said I was not baptized, that is the opinion you have formed because I disagree with you on the necessity of water baptism.

Ouch said:
Paul was and did, Paul would not lead you down the wrong road so it's you who are pushing the wrong message taking GOD'S word out of context.
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No, I'm simply sharing His word, just like you. :)

Ephesians 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

Luke 3:16
John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Acts 1:5
for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Acts 11:16
Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
 
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sawdust said:
Excuse me? John the Baptist said Jesus would baptize with the Spirit. Jesus said He would baptize with the Spirit. Peter remembered Jesus said He would baptize with the Spirit. Plus, your comment is ridiculous as baptism is for believers. It is through the baptism of the Spirit that one is made to be in Christ.

Acts 16:30-31
30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”



I never said I was not baptized, that is the opinion you have formed because I disagree with you on the necessity of water baptism.



No, I'm simply sharing His word, just like you. :)

Ephesians 4:5
one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

Luke 3:16
John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Acts 1:5
for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Acts 11:16
Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
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So you have been baptized, got it.

Why?

Then we can talk about the other thing we need to be reborn, the Holy Ghost.
 
Ouch said:
So you have been baptized, got it.

Why?

Then we can talk about the other thing we need to be reborn, the Holy Ghost.
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Why? :confused:

Because that is what Christ does to believers. We are baptized with the Spirit to be in Christ and if I'm in Christ I'm reborn because the Spirit does that too. To be in Christ is to be reborn, sanctified, justified and eventually glorified. That is salvation.

You also need to stop calling the Holy Spirit a ghost. A ghost is (supposedly) a disembodied soul. The Spirit is not a soul.
 
sawdust said:
Why? :confused:

Because that is what Christ does to believers. We are baptized with the Spirit to be in Christ and if I'm in Christ I'm reborn because the Spirit does that too. To be in Christ is to be reborn, sanctified, justified and eventually glorified. That is salvation.

You also need to stop calling the Holy Spirit a ghost. A ghost is (supposedly) a disembodied soul. The Spirit is not a soul.
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So you were not baptized in water, and you claim you were baptized in the spirit.

Are you saying that JESUS filled you with the Holy Ghost like HE did HIS disciple in Acts 2:4?

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

PS, I don't alter HIS words, notice Holy Ghost?
 
Genez said:
I learned that my goal was to not refute him to get him to admit he is wrong.
I realized at one point that he is too detached to let it bother him.

My simple goal was to keep him talking more and more, as to expose himself to the point where others would see for themselves what he really is. To see that he is really without excuse.

Possibly...

At some time in his life, he was around simple minded Christians who would become reactionary to react emotionally when he upset them. He probably got his jollies doing that.
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Just remember the definition of narcissism, and everything falls into place.

MM
 
Ouch said:
So you were not baptized in water, and you claim you were baptized in the spirit.

Are you saying that JESUS filled you with the Holy Ghost like HE did HIS disciple in Acts 2:4?

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

PS, I don't alter HIS words, notice Holy Ghost?
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His words were in Koine Greek not English and it doesn't translate to ghost.

Yes, filled with living waters.
 
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sawdust said:
His words were in Koine Greek not English and it doesn't translate to ghost.

Yes, filled with living waters.
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So out of your own mouth, you haven't been baptized in JESUS name to remove your sins.

Now out of your own mouth JESUS has not filled you with the Holy Ghost.

FYI, JESUS SAID, JESUS SAID, JESUS SAID,

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Mark 16,
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

What is your reply to HIM?
 
mailmandan said:
Hence, born of water and the Spirit. (John 3:5; 4:10,14; 7:37-39) :)
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Yea, I know I asked you this before!!

HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST SINCE YOU HAVE BELIVED.

These fokes did not, they obeyed AND JESUS FILLED THEM.

Acts 19
King James Version
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


DID THE HOLY GHOST EVER COME ON YOU???

Seek and ye shall find.
 
Ouch said:
Yea, I know I asked you this before!!

HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST SINCE YOU HAVE BELIVED.

These fokes did not, they obeyed AND JESUS FILLED THEM.

Acts 19
King James Version
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


DID THE HOLY GHOST EVER COME ON YOU???

Seek and ye shall find.
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We have already been over this over and over and over again...
 
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mailmandan said:
We have already been over this over and over and over again...
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Not really, you never answered the questions before, or I don't recall you doing so?

But now we both know, you have 't got rid of your sins and JESUS has not filled you please consider what HIS word says.

My job is just to plant the seeds.

Seek and ye shall find.
 
Ouch said:
Not really, you never answered the questions before, or I don't recall you doing so?

But now we both know, you have 't got rid of your sins and JESUS has not filled you please consider what HIS word says.

My job is just to plant the seeds.

Seek and ye shall find.
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I have answered your questions before. You just did not receive the answers that you wanted to hear. Hence, you don't recall me answering them. Your false gospel, along with your continued straw man arguments does not equate to planting seeds.
 
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mailmandan said:
I have answered your questions before. You just did not receive the answers that you wanted to hear. Hence, you don't recall me answering them. Your false gospel, along with your continued straw man arguments does not equate to planting seeds.
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Have you?, I was thinking it was the sawdust guy I was not you!

After questing him many times, I filly got him to answer.

Did you ever say you were baptized in JESUS name and has JESUS filled you with HIS spirt FOR THE RECORD????

How could it be a false gospel?

IT'S GODS word NOT mine so your calling JESUS FALSE.

That is why I keep myself out, so you can't say it's me.

So have you answered those questions?

Not with scripture, it's something personal.
 
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