Loss of salvation???

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sawdust said:
He became aware when Nicodemus showed his ignorance hence, Christ's remark about being a teacher of Israel.

Jesus functioned as a man during the Incarnation not as omniscient God. He had to rely on the Father for His information. Have you not experienced the Spirit's leading when speaking with someone and how you simply speak the truth as you not it to be but are unaware of the effect it has on the person until they open their mouth and speak?

As far as I am concerned, it was the very question Christ spoke regarding Nicodemus' ignorance that shows us Christ did not walk around knowing beforehand who would hear and who would not until they gave their response.
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According to John 2:25, Jesus knew what was in all men. Jesus knew of the Samaritan woman's 5 husbands, He knew of Judas' betrayal, He knew Lazarus had died. He also perceived people's thoughts, knew the details of Peter's denial, and that a coin was in the mouth of a fish. He also knew of things happening in heaven. He also knows His sheep.
I think Jesus knew quite a lot.
 
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Genez said:
It must be very frustrating being you.
When you can not make others frustrated first.

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I'm confused, I'm just here sharing HIS word.

I do admit I have no tack, retired law enforcement, i don't get into stupid stuff, insults or picking on people. and just stay focused on HIS word.

When JESUS filled me with HIS spirit it changed my life and just trying to get the word out. JESUS IS ALIVE!!!

I do get frustrated that people just will not follow JESUS and HIS word but stick with their own persaonal thoughs and not follow HIS word does say the path to Hell is broad and wide.

Maybe not frustrated as much as sad.

This is not a poperlaitary thing for me, it's about JESUS and HIS WORD ONLY.

Best of luck.
 
Cameron143 said:
According to John 2:25, Jesus knew what was in all men. Jesus knew of the Samaritan woman's 5 husbands, He knew of Judas' betrayal, He knew Lazarus had died. He also perceived people's thoughts, knew the details of Peter's denial, and that a coin was in the mouth of a fish. He also knew of things happening in heaven. He also knows His sheep.
I think Jesus knew quite a lot.
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Yes, because the Father informed Him as needed. You continue to realise the response of Christ with His question reveals He found out about Nicodemus by his response, not by some predetermined knowledge.

You simply don't ask that type of question if you are fully aware of someone's ignorance prior to their responding to the truth not unless you are a manipulator of some sort.
 
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Ouch said:
Didn't I ask YOU how we get rid of our sin???

Why didn't you reply??

They are both true!!!!

JESUS forgave him and we are dammed if WE don't get baptized becaue if we don't we will never get rid of ours.

So many people don't understand the reason the thief didn't need to be baptized and we do inculding me.

We ALL need to be humble, here's why.

We need to righty divide the word.

When the thief on the cross died, he died OT laws. Where people had to take a sacrifice to the high priests ones a year to have their sins forgiven GOD RULES.

JESUS is our high priest and he became our sacrifice our lamb.
When JESUS was on this earth and forgave sins as he wished like the thief.

JESUS preach app 3 years, died on the cross, buried and rose again. Then he ascended to Heaven to put his blood on the mercy seat.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

He then returned to earth and was here app 40 days and ascended again commanding his disciples to wait because they will be filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:3-4

He ascended the second time and this was the first message of how to be reborn.
Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Since then until he returns again, we live in NT laws and how to be saved we need to repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and receive the Holy Ghost like JESUS gave his disciples in Acts 2:4.

Does that clear it up??? Your thought?
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Ok im trying to think your ideas out here and I can't.

You believe in Jesus put your faith in him and repent of your sins. He forgives your sins. There is nothing else you need to do. Like I said earlier I think being baptized is a good thing. It 100% does not get rid of your sins.

Are you telling me that if a person puts thier faith in Jesus repents of thier sins. Then begins to bear fruit of his repentance. Who then gets in a car wreck on the way to be baptized isint saved?? Is that what you are actually gonna tell me right now??
 
sawdust said:
Yes, because the Father informed Him as needed. You continue to realise the response of Christ with His question reveals He found out about Nicodemus by his response, not by some predetermined knowledge.

You simply don't ask that type of question if you are fully aware of someone's ignorance prior to their responding to the truth not unless you are a manipulator of some sort.
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I think this is an assumption on your part. Jesus clearly knew things ahead of time.

I think the question was a rebuke.
If you had a waitress who said inappropriate things, spilled your food, never came back to refill your drink, wouldn't you wonder how they were able to be employed as a waitress?

I do get your point, but for the reasons given, I disagree. I appreciate the discussion.

Grace and peace.
 
Jackson129 said:
Mankind as a whole, and every single person are the same thing.
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Not exactly. The assertion was that Jesus knew what was in all men only meant He knew they had a sin nature but didn't know their individual estates. However, in 1 Timothy 2:4, God desiring all to be saved implies He knows each one intimately.
 
Jackson129 said:
Ok im trying to think your ideas out here and I can't.

You believe in Jesus put your faith in him and repent of your sins. He forgives your sins. There is nothing else you need to do. Like I said earlier I think being baptized is a good thing. It 100% does not get rid of your sins.

Are you telling me that if a person puts thier faith in Jesus repents of thier sins. Then begins to bear fruit of his repentance. Who then gets in a car wreck on the way to be baptized isint saved?? Is that what you are actually gonna tell me right now??
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I only share HIS word, if something comes out of my mouth I always back it up with scripture.

Are you good with the reason the theif didn't need to be baptized?

Can you tell me how we get rid of our sins?

YOU SAID, "You believe in Jesus put your faith in him and repent of your sins. He forgives your sins"

Why your working on telling me how we get rid of ours sins, back up what you say with HIS word. Let me hear it from HIM!!!
 
Ouch said:
I'm confused, I'm just here sharing HIS word.

I do admit I have no tack, retired law enforcement, i don't get into stupid stuff, insults or picking on people. and just stay focused on HIS word.
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Retired Law....

This pastor you should relate to, instantly!

He kept everyone, wanting to learn from him, focused on the Word.

https://www.rbthieme.org/index.html#tabs-3

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The pews in his church had seated many Houston police.
 
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Cameron143 said:
How come all means every single person in some cases but means mankind as a whole in other cases?
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Because of this.....


Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; ​
and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Romans 5:12​

When it says?

............. " so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."

The Greek means ... All sinned in a single moment in time!

Meaning?

The sin nature is seated in the fallen flesh.
Adam fell first, and his flesh became fallen.
So?
When he produced children with Eve?
All offspring had passed down the fallen sin nature in their flesh.

So?
In one point in time?
Adam put into motion the sin nature for all men awaiting to be born.

Mankind sins.
 
Genez said:
Because of this.....


Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; ​
and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." Romans 5:12​

When it says?

............. " so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."

The Greek means ... All sinned in a single moment in time!

Meaning?

The sin nature is seated in the fallen flesh.
Adam fell first, and his flesh became fallen.
So?
When he produced children with Eve?
All offspring had passed down the fallen sin nature in their flesh.

So?
In one point in time?
Adam put into motion the sin nature for all men awaiting to be born.

Mankind sins.
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Thanks for sharing, but that wasn't the question. Certainly Jesus knew that all men have a sinful nature. The question was: did He know of their particular frailties and sins?
 
Genez said:
Retired Law....

This pastor you should relate to, instantly!

He kept everyone, wanting to learn from him, focused on the Word.

https://www.rbthieme.org/index.html#tabs-3

RBTBioPhoto2a.png


The pews in his church had seated many Houston police.
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Thank you, I'm not watching it.

Why do you think I'm insane?

When I share HIS word you can read it just like I do.


You know noting else about me, besides I'm not here to play games.
 
An unsaved individual does not have a "sinful nature". They have a human nature polluted by sin. There is a difference.
 
Ouch said:
So who's winning?

Satan and his plan, or are you going to get in the water?

Laugue all you like at me, Satan didn't win with me.

Of course you need JESUS to fill you with the spirit also, need more then just getting rid of your sins.

Dusting my feet, praying my time was not wasted.
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Virtually every Christian gets dunked.

Hard to say how many actually trust in Christ ALONE........My money is on Christ alone, not my dunking.
 
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