If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. -- I John 1:8 ESV
Saving Faith in Christ is not Faith Alone in Christ
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Yes, all men have sinned. Have you heard all men are now sinning? From sinful men no doubt, but not from the Lord.
Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Have you not heard of the the salvation of the Lord from sin?
1Jo 3:8
He that is committing sin is of the devil; for the devil is sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Correct. The same for all men that have sinned, and all that are now sinning.
Or, by your Faith Alone, if you sin like other men, are you not sinning like other men? Or, are you by Faith Alone now doing a good work in a right way?
Salvation from sin does not occur at the resurrection from the dead. People can only be born again before the grave, not after.
The resurrection unto life is reward for doing good by Jesus' faith, and not evil:
Collosians{3:23}
And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
Mat 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that is doing the will of my Father which is in heaven.
1 John {2:17}
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that is doing the will of God abideth for ever.
Rev{3:4}
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Only those walking in the light with Jesus today, will walk with Him in white forever.
But those walking in darkness until the grave, will remain in darkness forever:
Jde 1:12
These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Everyone I know who says "faith alone" is referring to faith without works for salvation.
James{2:14}
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone...
Faith with works for justification is James 2.
James{2:21}
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?...Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
And, faith plus works for inheriting Christ's eternal kingdom is 1 Peter 1.
2 pet 1:4
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;...and to brotherly kindness charity.
Wherefore, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Yes. The teaching of Eph 2 is not about having faith alone. Eph 2 is about having the faith of Jesus Christ for salvation, vs having the faith of man in himself by pride.
The only faith of God that saves the soul is His gift by Jesus Christ. By grace, God now gives to anyone that repents, the faith of Jesus to do good and not evil.
Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
The gospel promise is: The newborn conversion from living by our own faith in ourselves, that only ends in sin and death, to now living the faith of Jesus Christ Himself, that ends in righteousness and eternal life.
Amen. Only keeping Jesus' faith abides forever, because only Jesus' faith does His will.
Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Amen again. Only those servants crucified with Christ to the world, will serve with Christ after this world.
Gal 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Eph{4:1}
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
It's not our response at that time, but only the Lord's:
1 Peter {1:15}
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. {1:17} And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:
The Lord's response will be to His judgment of our works.
If faith alone in Christ is all about doing good and evil, then how does anyone fall short of it, by doing good at all times?
Gen 3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
So you say of yourself alone. Or, do you speak for all those having Faith Alone to fall short at all times?
In any case, So much for Faith Alone making willing slaves to Jesus Christ.
Psa 106:3
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that is doing righteousness at all times.
Only slaves to another Christ, are doing unrighteousness at all times.
Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
What's the name of the Christ that justifies people doing evil? Not Jesus Christ the righteous.
Not on any judgment day of a Christ, that only justifies the unrighteous deeds:
1 Cor 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...and such like, of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
"Don’t listen to criticism from someone you would not ask for advice."
Especially not to criticism without explanation.
Teacher teach thyself...
1Jo 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
If we walk in darkness and say we have sin, we know we have no fellowship with Him, and not doing the truth.
'Obedience' is a bad word. Almost as bad as 'works'.
Don't even talk about the Lord. And, I don't remember hearing anything about Jesus by name, but only their 'Christ':
Phl 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Whoa. Now that is spot on. It exactly sums up all their pretty speeches.
It's always only about themselves, as in their Faith Alone, and their salvation and their justification. And, Only what they can get out of their Christ.
And if their Faith Alone is dead, and their Christ is not Jesus, then that certainly explains all the hard speeches against quoting the Scriptures that say so...
Jde 1:15
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against the Lord.
Amen. You go sister.
I see the life raft analogy applied to Scripture went over your head. The life raft that saved him had faith written on it, because it worked, and the life raft with the holes had faith without works written on it.
This fairly sums up the opposing gospels of faith in Jesus Christ, that only does good works, vs Faith Alone in Christ apart from working.
The difference between you and I is this: I quote people to make sure I get them right. You talk about people to make sure it's a bad light.
I do good because I love Jesus and have His faith by grace. I don't do evil because I love Jesus, and have His faith by grace. This is the only way to do good and not evil by faith in Jesus Christ.
Jhn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
This is no doubt true. I don't remember hearing anyone say, that they only do bad works by their Faith Alone.
However, what about when when you do evil works? Are you loving Christ? Or hating Him? Are you a friend, or enemy?
Jhn 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Jas 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Or, do you also only do good, and not evil, for Jesus Christ?
Once again, is your faith only in His works, when you are also doing an evil deed?
Or, do you only do good by faith in Him?
No. You lost that respect, when you left the argument to only make insults.
While your question is a good one, you'll need to first show respect by answering my question first.
I don't remember asking you a question.
If you mean 'helping' me to your Faith Alone,
"Your ignorance is shocking. You need to get out more. Another stupid comment. Wrong. Ignorant. Stubborn. Closed-minded. More utter stupidity. I don't know why I bother attempting to have a discussion with you. Clearly you're incapable."
"Every time you post, you demonstrate your willful ignorance. What is your problem?
"You are acting like a jerk, not a Christian."
"and some of the worst actors are people calling themself 'Christian', while offering unbiblical 'deep' knowledge of never before seen 'truths' that are actually deceptions with demonic entities behind them"
If this is what disagreeing with Faith Aloners deserves, then what's for desert?
I'm now believing among other bad things, that having Faith Alone also has selective memory, if not deadening it altogether. If I were ever reduced to such rants in an argument, then I've already failed the argument. I make it a practice never to talk such nonsense, because I know it's meaningless in an argument.
The more I hear from Faith Aloners, the more I know I'd rather die than have their Faith Alone. Actually, If I did, I would die to Jesus Christ:
Mat 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Rev 22:10
And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
1 Peter {1:15}
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Pro 1:24
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you. Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
Waiting to be born again with the faith of Jesus Christ to do only good, and not evil, is full of danger in this life. It's destruction after the grave.
Don't waste your time on me. I don't consider your personal insights into scripture to be an education. Anyone can copy/paste scripture but not everyone can confuse the meaning with consistency as happens with a good deal of your posts.
The following words are not mine. You have confused me with someone else or perhaps mashed together things from several people. Would not be the first time you do that either. Since you do not use the quote function, no one should believe anyone said what you attribute to another.
Either quote people like a responsible person who does not want to attribute words to someone who never said the words or just go work on your website.
I don't remember this being your own private board from which to teach and sarcastically address other people.
Again though, use the quote feature. For one thing I know for a fact I have never called you a jerk but you try to make it seem I did.
You either want to falsely accuse me or you have a very bad memory. Both possibly?
USE THE QUOTE FEATURE AND STOP CREATING FALSE ACCUSATIONS put up or go quietly into the night
If you choose to follow doctrine that was spearheaded by a man who later rejected most of what he came up with that’s you. I’ll pray for you. Setting your own standard for righteousness and judging yourself to be righteous is playing with fire. Also just a heads up no matter if it’s voluntary or involuntary, sin is sin. I know your holiness movement doctrine likes to redefine things.
Well I found 2 of the comments attributed to me are actually the work of one 'Dino'. It could have been worse. I might have been accused of saying something that ... oh I dunno...heishere actually said?
Never mind Dino. I have to figuratively 'bite my tongue' rather than respond to some of the comments from 'allthegoods' and a few other oopsie doopsies round here these places. But of course since they are perfect, I guess some of us would not recognize the great offense we bring to their sensibilities. I would enjoy those people standing up in church and pointing a knarly finger and accusing before an entire congregation.
Nothing like the great keyboard warriors of renown.
As it is, they don't believe in the great crowd of witnesses that actually do observe.
Never mind Dino. I have to figuratively 'bite my tongue' rather than respond to some of the comments from 'allthegoods' and a few other oopsie doopsies round here these places. But of course since they are perfect, I guess some of us would not recognize the great offense we bring to their sensibilities. I would enjoy those people standing up in church and pointing a knarly finger and accusing before an entire congregation.
Nothing like the great keyboard warriors of renown.
As it is, they don't believe in the great crowd of witnesses that actually do observe.
Sorry my pointed words got blamed on you. I happily own what I write.
No worries. My post was tongue in cheek. However this lack of quoting and then making it seem I or anyone said things we did not say, should make a person consider why he would do such a thing.
Then you are doubly condemned for preaching saved by Faith Alone with sinning.
Jas 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
We will all account to God for what we say and do, not just by what people only believe.
1 Peter {1:15}
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judges according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
Rev{20:12}
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
People can have all the Faith Alone in the world, and God will still judge us by our works, without respect of what people only to believe.