Do All Religions Lead To God?

[memberofthebride]

comment:

I have learned over my many decades that trusting men is not wise, at all

Therefore: I trust only the WORD of God.

That WORD states clearly – it is the Many that are deceived

If most of the 40,000 churches, the Many, teach a doctrine I can not find in clear terms, I reject it. Sadly, there are many.

The Saint’s will Go to heaven, that is their reward --- I have never found!

Repeatedly, it is stated our reward is eternal life – not dwelling in the 3rd heaven.

The Apostle Peter states, we, the saints of God, will reign here on earth with Christ.

The question of Elijah; when the Word States “ALL died” and does not state, except Elijah, I must believe he is included. There is that one unclear scripture.

When it states “that they “without” us should not be made perfect.” “they” - “all” - those that came before Christ will rises to eternal life -- together at the same time, I must believe the Word.

I know nothing can or will change anyone’s mind. The Word states clearly the entire world has been deceived by Satan and will be so until Christ’s returns bringing Truth.

The web gives the number of Christian churches at 45,000.

Why are there more than ONE? Even on this blog there is very little agreement.

Fact; God’s word must be revealed. Unless the Father opens one’s mind, there can be no understanding of HIS Word.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Why would Christ not want the Many to understand and be saved? As Christ taught, it is only the FEW that He came to call now?

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: “because” (#991-that they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, “neither” #3761 ‘and not’ understand.

Christ did not want the MANY to understand --- Christ came to call only the FEW and this time. The many will be called at a later time

there is another problem, if there are two that have gone to heaven --- ahead of Jesus Christ -- then Christ is not the First born from above. unless you believe the two went as flesh and blood --- which it is said flesh can not inherit the kingdom.

and why as David, we are told by God, is a man after his own Heart/nature -- is David still in his grave?
please explain why,

There is NO mention of Elijah dying in scripture, that I have seen. If you know where the scripture is please share it with me. The scripture you quoted from Hebrews 11, the "Hall Of Faith ", as some call it, does NOT mention Elijah as one of " these all died in faith "! When did Enoch die, where is it in scripture? " And Enoch liver 65 years, and begat Methuselah: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah 300 years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were 365 years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him" Genesis 5:21-24. Also Hebrews 11:5 " By faith Enoch was translated THAT HE SHOULD NOT SEE DEATH; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." Hebrews 11:5. It seems you don't believe the bible. P.S. " And this is the record, that God HATH ( past tense) given to us eternal life, AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON." 1 John 5:11. Eternal life (Jesus) abides in me, not in the sweet bye and bye, how about you?

there is another problem, if there are two that have gone to heaven --- ahead of Jesus Christ -- then Christ is not the First born from above. unless you believe the two went as flesh and blood --- which it is said flesh can not inherit the kingdom.

and why, as David we are told by God, is a man after his own Heart/nature -- is David still in his grave?
please explain why, Enoch and Elijah, are so special? above Moses, David and many others?

 

[bytheblood]

there is another problem, if there are two that have gone to heaven --- ahead of Jesus Christ -- then Christ is not the First born from above. unless you believe the two went as flesh and blood --- which it is said flesh can not inherit the kingdom.

and why as David, we are told by God, is a man after his own Heart/nature -- is David still in his grave?
please explain why,



there is another problem, if there are two that have gone to heaven --- ahead of Jesus Christ -- then Christ is not the First born from above. unless you believe the two went as flesh and blood --- which it is said flesh can not inherit the kingdom.

and why, as David we are told by God, is a man after his own Heart/nature -- is David still in his grave?
please explain why, Enoch and Elijah, are so special? above Moses, David and many others?

You'd have to question God on who He chose to not suffer death here on earth. The bible states that "Enoch walked with God and was not, for God took him" Gen 5:21-24 and of Elijah " And it came to pass, when the lord would" take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind...." 2KINGS 2:1. So we can know, for sure, by God's Word, that Elijah is in heaven. We can only assume ( yeah, I know ) that Enoch is also there. Unless you don't believe that the Bible is God's Word. Jesus is still the First born of God , as Elijah and Enoch were born on earth, the Word (Christ) was already above. " Wherefore when He ( the Word, Christ ) cometh into the world, He saith, Sacrifice and offering Thou wouldest not, BUT A BODY HAST THOU PREPARED ME:" Hebrews 10:5, also " And the Word (Christ) was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14. So we can rightfully say Jesus is the first born or only begotten from God. We who have received Him are now " born of God " 1 John 4:7 .."every one that loveth is born of God.." P.S. the term, born from above, is not, in my research, found in scripture.

 

[bytheblood]

comment:

I have learned over my many decades that trusting men is not wise, at all

Therefore: I trust only the WORD of God.

That WORD states clearly – it is the Many that are deceived

If most of the 40,000 churches, the Many, teach a doctrine I can not find in clear terms, I reject it. Sadly, there are many.

The Saint’s will Go to heaven, that is their reward --- I have never found!

Repeatedly, it is stated our reward is eternal life – not dwelling in the 3rd heaven.

The Apostle Peter states, we, the saints of God, will reign here on earth with Christ.

The question of Elijah; when the Word States “ALL died” and does not state, except Elijah, I must believe he is included. There is that one unclear scripture.

When it states “that they “without” us should not be made perfect.” “they” - “all” - those that came before Christ will rises to eternal life -- together at the same time, I must believe the Word.

I know nothing can or will change anyone’s mind. The Word states clearly the entire world has been deceived by Satan and will be so until Christ’s returns bringing Truth.

The web gives the number of Christian churches at 45,000.

Why are there more than ONE? Even on this blog there is very little agreement.

Fact; God’s word must be revealed. Unless the Father opens one’s mind, there can be no understanding of HIS Word.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Why would Christ not want the Many to understand and be saved? As Christ taught, it is only the FEW that He came to call now?

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: “because” (#991-that they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, “neither” #3761 ‘and not’ understand.

Christ did not want the MANY to understand --- Christ came to call only the FEW and this time. The many will be called at a later time

I have proven by the scriptures, that you profess to believe, that Enoch and Elijah did not die and that, by scripture, Elijah went to heaven. You either believe the Word, not man, or not.

 

[bytheblood]

comment:

I have learned over my many decades that trusting men is not wise, at all

Therefore: I trust only the WORD of God.

That WORD states clearly – it is the Many that are deceived

If most of the 40,000 churches, the Many, teach a doctrine I can not find in clear terms, I reject it. Sadly, there are many.

The Saint’s will Go to heaven, that is their reward --- I have never found!

Repeatedly, it is stated our reward is eternal life – not dwelling in the 3rd heaven.

The Apostle Peter states, we, the saints of God, will reign here on earth with Christ.

The question of Elijah; when the Word States “ALL died” and does not state, except Elijah, I must believe he is included. There is that one unclear scripture.

When it states “that they “without” us should not be made perfect.” “they” - “all” - those that came before Christ will rises to eternal life -- together at the same time, I must believe the Word.

I know nothing can or will change anyone’s mind. The Word states clearly the entire world has been deceived by Satan and will be so until Christ’s returns bringing Truth.

The web gives the number of Christian churches at 45,000.

Why are there more than ONE? Even on this blog there is very little agreement.

Fact; God’s word must be revealed. Unless the Father opens one’s mind, there can be no understanding of HIS Word.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Why would Christ not want the Many to understand and be saved? As Christ taught, it is only the FEW that He came to call now?

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: “because” (#991-that they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, “neither” #3761 ‘and not’ understand.

Christ did not want the MANY to understand --- Christ came to call only the FEW and this time. The many will be called at a later time

Jesus' message was to the Jew first ( the few ), who for the most part rejected Him, then the message was sent to the Gentiles ( the many ) by Paul.

 

[memberofthebride]

I have proven by the scriptures, that you profess to believe, that Enoch and Elijah did not die and that, by scripture, Elijah went to heaven. You either believe the Word, not man, or not.

which of the three heavens in to was he taken?? and to what destination? I have not been able to find the answers --can you

and again all before Christ?

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Do All Religions Lead To God?

"Religion" doesn't necessarily "lead to God" at all. FAITH, and repentance under Holy Spirit Conviction of SIN does. Eph 2:8,9 Rom 10:17 Heb 11:1

 

[memberofthebride]

Jesus' message was to the Jew first ( the few ), who for the most part rejected Him, then the message was sent to the Gentiles ( the many ) by Paul.

bytheblood

""the message was sent to the Gentiles ( the many ) by Paul""

not sure about this quote????

Are you saying the gentiles are THE MANY that are deceived, that Christ warned us about?

the Jews can not be the few, does not Paul tells there is neither Jew nor gentile, man or women In Christ? not a quote but that is the gist.

 

[memberofthebride]

which of the three heavens in to was he taken?? and to what destination? I have not been able to find the answers --can you

and again all before Christ?

and by the way we know exactly where Christ went when He returned to the third heaven, He is standing on the right hand of the Father's Throne,, does it say where the two were taken, was there a specific location mentioned?

It would be interesting to know what the two would do in the Third heaven? would they live with angels?
I have never read anything regarding what there is to DO in heaven or a reason for even being there?

One thing I am certain of;; God the Father and Jesus Christ do not need the help of any of us, they are in 100% control of every thing.

 

[Dino246]

there is another problem, if there are two that have gone to heaven --- ahead of Jesus Christ -- then Christ is not the First born from above.

Scripture doesn't call Jesus "firstborn from above" anywhere.

 

[Dino246]

which of the three heavens in to was he taken?? and to what destination? I have not been able to find the answers --can you?

Scripture tells us the answer indirectly, in Genesis 1 and 2 Corinthians 12:2.

The first "heaven" is the earthly atmosphere, where birds fly. The second is what we today call outer space, where the sun, moon, and stars are located. The third is what we today call "heaven".

 

[memberofthebride]

Scripture doesn't call Jesus "firstborn from above" anywhere.

not directly, but Christ is the first born of many brethren
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

The "brethren", those called to Christ will be born in to spirit exactly like Christ,
John, I believe, refers to it as "born from above", the Spirit comes from above, from the Father.
were Elijah and Enoch born into spirit before going to the 3rd heaven? or are they in the flesh in heaven, and I am sure you are aware flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom.

any event - Jesus Christ must be FIRST in all things and if the two were born from above or went to heaven How can Christ be first in all things? How can HE be the pioneer?

Both are dead and waiting for the first resurrection.

 

[memberofthebride]

not directly, but Christ is the first born of many brethren
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

The "brethren", those called to Christ will be born in to spirit exactly like Christ,
John, I believe, refers to it as "born from above", the Spirit comes from above, from the Father.
were Elijah and Enoch born into spirit before going to the 3rd heaven? or are they in the flesh in heaven, and I am sure you are aware flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom.

any event - Jesus Christ must be FIRST in all things and if the two were born from above or went to heaven How can Christ be first in all things? How can HE be the pioneer?

Both are dead and waiting for the first resurrection.

another thought --- if they are in heaven, they will not be in the first resurrection.
and as Christ IS THE FIRST born of many brethren -- they can not be His brethren. where does that place them?

 

[Mem]

The flesh profits nothing, and religion is of the flesh, and so it accounts for nothing, good, bad, or ugly. So, all religions lead to nowhere other than in circles.

True religion is this.... living in the way of the Spirit, small is the gate and narrow is way that leads to life.

not directly, but Christ is the first born of many brethren
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

The "brethren", those called to Christ will be born in to spirit exactly like Christ,
John, I believe, refers to it as "born from above", the Spirit comes from above, from the Father.
were Elijah and Enoch born into spirit before going to the 3rd heaven? or are they in the flesh in heaven, and I am sure you are aware flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom.

any event - Jesus Christ must be FIRST in all things and if the two were born from above or went to heaven How can Christ be first in all things? How can HE be the pioneer?

Both are dead and waiting for the first resurrection.

It is the Spirit of Christ that pioneered the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, which clothed Adam and Eve.

 

[memberofthebride]

The flesh profits nothing, and religion is of the flesh, and so it accounts for nothing, good, bad, or ugly. So, all religions lead to nowhere other than in circles.

True religion is this.... living in the way of the Spirit, small is the gate and narrow is way that leads to life.



It is the Spirit of Christ that pioneered the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control, which clothed Adam and Eve.

You are confusing that Perfect WAY of God with His Spirit.
The Family of God lives "THE WAY", always has, always will.
Their Divine Nature is understood by what They called the fruit of the spirit, the attributes of that Divine Holy Nature produced in us.
what you have listed above are the attributes of that Divine Nature which God is building in those He calls.

The Torah reveals the Divine Mind and Nature of God which is why in Jeremiah 31, He reveals the Torah will become our nature.

 

[Mem]

You are confusing that Perfect WAY of God with His Spirit.
The Family of God lives "THE WAY", always has, always will.
Their Divine Nature is understood by what They called the fruit of the spirit, the attributes of that Divine Holy Nature produced in us.
what you have listed above are the attributes of that Divine Nature which God is building in those He calls.

The Torah reveals the Divine Mind and Nature of God which is why in Jeremiah 31, He reveals the Torah will become our nature.

And you've concluded that won't happen until the resurrection, if I haven't "mixed up" your previous claim.
This just seems a good excuse why I shouldn't expect any kindness, joy, peace, or any of the fruits of the spirit from you until then.

 

[Lovette]

"Religion" doesn't necessarily "lead to God" at all. FAITH, and repentance under Holy Spirit Conviction of SIN does. Eph 2:8,9 Rom 10:17 Heb 11:1

Originally it was a loaded question - do all religions worship the same god? The key word is not "same" but "worship". You worship God the creator of the universe, you must worship in the proper way, any other way is the way of Cain, i.e. subpar offering by your own standard and tradition. Israelites worshipped a golden calf, even though they supposed they were worshipping the right God who liberated them from Egypt, they identified a man made idol as Him, which made them doubly wrong, not only worshiping an idol, but mistaking the idol as God.

 

[bytheblood]

bytheblood

""the message was sent to the Gentiles ( the many ) by Paul""

not sure about this quote????

Are you saying the gentiles are THE MANY that are deceived, that Christ warned us about?

the Jews can not be the few, does not Paul tells there is neither Jew nor gentile, man or women In Christ? not a quote but that is the gist.

There are more Gentiles than Jews. The many and the few are from the total number of people who hear the Gospel, who either receive or reject Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

 

[bytheblood]

another thought --- if they are in heaven, they will not be in the first resurrection.
and as Christ IS THE FIRST born of many brethren -- they can not be His brethren. where does that place them?

Enoch and Elijah, IMHO, will be the two witnesses in Revelation, who are killed, with their bodies laying in the streets for three days, and then resurrected. Since there is no record of them dying physically while on earth, that would fulfill scripture, which states " And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after this the judgement." Hebrews 9:27

 

[bytheblood]

which of the three heavens in to was he taken?? and to what destination? I have not been able to find the answers --can you

and again all before Christ?

I can't speak what the Bible doesn't say. Again, I have proven to you, by scripture, that at least Elijah was taken ALIVE into heaven. You can't seem to acknowledge that, like you want your thoughts or traditions to override scripture. Since you can't acknowledge the truths of scripture you try to create more rabbit holes. When you hold on to the traditional thoughts of man you make the Word of God of no effect.............to you.

 

[bytheblood]

not directly, but Christ is the first born of many brethren
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

The "brethren", those called to Christ will be born in to spirit exactly like Christ,
John, I believe, refers to it as "born from above", the Spirit comes from above, from the Father.
were Elijah and Enoch born into spirit before going to the 3rd heaven? or are they in the flesh in heaven, and I am sure you are aware flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom.

any event - Jesus Christ must be FIRST in all things and if the two were born from above or went to heaven How can Christ be first in all things? How can HE be the pioneer?

Both are dead and waiting for the first resurrection.

You're confused. Jesus' last name isn't Christ, He is Jesus the Christ. The Christ (Word) came from heaven so He was in heaven first, came to earth, put on flesh, was given the name Jesus and became the firstborn among many brethren, who at first were the Jewish people. Now that firstborn ( Strong's 4413; protos) means foremost in importance and rank, not that He was the first Jewish person born overall. He created everything so how could He not be first in all things? Prove to me, IN SCRIPTURE, when and where Elijah and Enoch died, where does it read, IN SCRTIPTURE, that they died. I have shown you, IN SCRIPTURE, that they did not die. You can't, I know it and so do you. What's the next rabbit hole or diversion now? One of the signs of a mature Christian, man, parent, friend or mate is the ability to admit when you missed it, you were wrong. If one can't admit it when it's obvious, they're caught up in pride, which God hates.