What is the "object" of our NT saving faith.

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Now i know I'm using the word "faith" as a noun in the heading, but i mean it as the verb form of that noun faith.

The verb form of the noun faith (pistis) is pisteuo in the Greek. Pisteuo is a verb, an action word. Specifically, an act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence, 3 separate actions make up pisteuo and describe what saving faith is in relationship to the living God.

So this is what id like to look at.
1) What is the specific act? 2) What is the specific belief? 3) what is the specific sustained confidence that makes up the object of NT saving faith?

What is the object of our "faithing" (pisteuo) , and how is it applied to fulfill a mandatory response , by us, to recieve the Spirit of Christ?
 
I say -----Saving Faith is your title deed to What God promises in His word -----

Christ's Faith is a substance ----it is a reality and your assurance of what is promised ===

Lexical Summary
hupostasis: Substance, assurance, confidence, essence, reality

5287 hypóstasis ----a guaranteed agreement ("title-deed"); (figuratively) "title" to a promise or property, i. entitling someone to what is guaranteed under the particular agreement.

For the believer, 5287 /hypóstasis ("title of possession") is the Lord's guarantee to fulfill the faith He inbirths (cf. Heb 11:1 with Heb 11:6). Indeed we are only entitled to what God grants faith for (Ro 14:23).

saving faith possesses a substantive character. Believers do not merely cling to ideas; they participate in a present reality that will culminate in sight. The call to “hold firmly” underscores personal responsibility, yet the object of faith—Christ Himself—remains the unchanging foundation.
 
I say -----Saving Faith is your title deed to What God promises in His word -----

Christ's Faith is a substance ----it is a reality and your assurance of what is promised ===

Lexical Summary
hupostasis: Substance, assurance, confidence, essence, reality

5287 hypóstasis ----a guaranteed agreement ("title-deed"); (figuratively) "title" to a promise or property, i. entitling someone to what is guaranteed under the particular agreement.

For the believer, 5287 /hypóstasis ("title of possession") is the Lord's guarantee to fulfill the faith He inbirths (cf. Heb 11:1 with Heb 11:6). Indeed we are only entitled to what God grants faith for (Ro 14:23).

saving faith possesses a substantive character. Believers do not merely cling to ideas; they participate in a present reality that will culminate in sight. The call to “hold firmly” underscores personal responsibility, yet the object of faith—Christ Himself—remains the unchanging foundation.


Hi student of the word.

The Faith of Christ is definitely "the Faith that saves us" . He is the first goer of faith, then we are to follow.

You concluded the object of faith is Christ Himself, not His word?
If so, I'm in total agreement. I don't think our application of "faith in Christ" would match up, but that's another discussion.
 
You concluded the object of faith is Christ Himself, not His word?

Jesus is the Word ----Saving Faith comes from hearing the WORD WHO IS JESUS -----

there is one faith that saves -----and that Faith is Christ's Faith which is inbirthed in the person when their heart is open by the Father to responding to the Gospel -----

Jesus is the author and finisher of Saving Faith -----
 
Jesus is the Word ----Saving Faith comes from hearing the WORD WHO IS JESUS -----

there is one faith that saves -----and that Faith is Christ's Faith which is inbirthed in the person when their heart is open by the Father to responding to the Gospel -----

Jesus is the author and finisher of Saving Faith -----

So you understand your faith, your response, is to "believe" in His faith , just as a mental nod?
 
If we consider the title question as grammatically correct, the answer is “the Person, incarnation, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God the Son”.
 
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If we consider the title question as grammatically correct, the answer is “the Person, incarnation, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, God the Son”.

How do you deal with the call of the Father.

We're called or drawn by the Father. Nobody comes to Christ unless the Fathet calls them.
So our first response would be toward the Father, right. And until the spirit of Christ abides in us, Christ, His word and the promises are not ours yet.

So at the beginning, wouldn't the object of faith, be a response to the Father Himself first?
Thoughts?
 
How do you deal with the call of the Father.

We're called or drawn by the Father. Nobody comes to Christ unless the Fathet calls them.
So our first response would be toward the Father, right. And until the spirit of Christ abides in us, Christ, His word and the promises are not ours yet.

So at the beginning, wouldn't the object of faith, be a response to the Father Himself first?
Thoughts?
This doesn't align with the thread topic, so I'll pass.
 
Jesus is the Word ----Saving Faith comes from hearing the WORD WHO IS JESUS -----

there is one faith that saves -----and that Faith is Christ's Faith which is inbirthed in the person when their heart is open by the Father to responding to the Gospel -----

Jesus is the author and finisher of Saving Faith -----

Yes, the subject of saving faith is Jesus, and the content is GW/the Gospel of Christ.
 
Jesus Christ and His death, burial and resurrection (John 14:6; Acts 4:12; Romans 3:24-26; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) is the object of saving faith and faith is only as good as the object that we place it in.
 
Now i know I'm using the word "faith" as a noun in the heading, but i mean it as the verb form of that noun faith.

The verb form of the noun faith (pistis) is pisteuo in the Greek. Pisteuo is a verb, an action word. Specifically, an act, based upon a belief, sustained by confidence, 3 separate actions make up pisteuo and describe what saving faith is in relationship to the living God.

So this is what id like to look at.
1) What is the specific act? 2) What is the specific belief? 3) what is the specific sustained confidence that makes up the object of NT saving faith?

What is the object of our "faithing" (pisteuo) , and how is it applied to fulfill a mandatory response , by us, to recieve the Spirit of Christ?

Saving Faith has to have an object
The risen Son is the object to not object and be new in love and mercy given you from Father through risen Son to everyone, even those that have done you wrong
Can you, have you, will you, thank you
 
So you understand your faith, your response, is to "believe" in His faith , just as a mental nod?

My View
There is one faith that produces and that is God's Faith -----it is not our Faith in Jesus ---

The only Faith we were born with is Intellectual Faith which relies on what we see --hear --feel --taste and touch ----we don't have the right Faith to believe in the unseen Real ----

It is God's Faith that is inbirthed in us when we hear the Gospel -----so it is the Faith OF CHRIST that we Get from Jesus who is the Word -------

Faith receives ---so our positive response is to put our Faith into action -----

An Example -----

if I come to your house and say to you ----Watchman22 ---

I am giving you this Free Gift ---you did nothing to earn or deserve the gift ---but I grace this gift to you because I wanted to ---

You say Thank You --put the gift on the table so I do so and I leave -------

Your Graced Gift is there waiting for you for you to RECEIVE IT ------YOU BELIEVE ___BY FAITH ----that there is something inside the Box on the Table but you don't see it Yet -----

NOW ----you decide YOUR NOT READY To RECEIVE the gift YET ---so your Faith is not yet Responding in a Positive action to receiving the Free GIFT that is on the Table for you --------

So right at this time your Fee Gift is there but you have made the decision ---------

-NOT TO MOVE ON PICKING UP YOUR FREE GIFT AND ___RECEIVING IT UNTO YOURSELF ---that is Bringing it to yourself to Accept it ------

Later on you see the Free Gift On the Table and you ------------Now Put your Faith into POSITIVE Action and go to the Table and pick up the Package and open it and RECEIVE WHAT WAS BEFORE UNSEEN to YOURSELF and Now is SEEN and RECEIVED UNTO YOURSELF -----

To BE Saved the Positive Saving Faith response is to RECEIVE the free GRACED gift of Salvation unto yourself ----

Grace who is Jesus by the Way -----Jesus Full of Grace and Truth says the scripture -----makes available all Spiritual Gifts -to Believers ---through His Faith we Receive them and bring them unto ourselves ----

His Faith inbirthed in us brings the Unseen into the Seen and we reap the benefit when we have the right Positive Faith Response ---which is to RECEIVE ----

We have Free Will to Receive or Reject what God has made available to us ------

--Jesus's Faith Receives what Grace ---(Jesus -Full of Grace )---makes available to us -----In the New Testament Grace is a Person -----

Salvation is available to all -who want it --the Right Positive Faith response is acceptance to Receives it

Spiritual Healing is there for Believers ---the Right Positive Faith Response is to accept it and Receives it ---

Spiritual Blessings are there for Believers ----the Right positive Faith Response is to accept them and Receives them -----
 
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There is one faith that produces and that is God's Faith -----it is not our Faith in Jesus ---

The only Faith we were born with is Intellectual Faith which relies on what we see --hear --feel --taste and touch ----we don't have the right Faith to believe in the unseen Real ----

It is God's Faith that is inbirthed in us when we hear the Gospel -----so it is the Faith OF CHRIST that we Get from Jesus who is the Word -------

Faith receives ---so our positive response is to put our Faith into action -----

An Example -----

if I come to your house and say to you ----Watchman22 ---

I am giving you this Free Gift ---you did nothing to earn or deserve the gift ---but I grace this gift to you because I wanted to ---

You say Thank You --put the gift on the table so I do so and I leave -------

Your Graced Gift is there waiting for you for you to RECEIVE IT ------YOU BELIEVE ___BY FAITH ----that there is something inside the Box on the Table but you don't see it Yet -----

NOW ----you decide YOUR NOT READY To RECEIVE the gift YET ---so your Faith is not yet Responding in a Positive action to receiving the Free GIFT that is on the Table for you --------

So right at this time your Fee Gift is there but you have made the decision ---------

-NOT TO MOVE ON PICKING UP YOUR FREE GIFT AND ___RECEIVING IT UNTO YOURSELF ---that is Bringing it to yourself to Accept it ------

Later on you see the Free Gift On the Table and you ------------Now Put your Faith into POSITIVE Action and go to the Table and pick up the Package and open it and RECEIVE WHAT WAS BEFORE UNSEEN to YOURSELF and Now is SEEN and RECEIVED UNTO YOURSELF -----

To BE Saved the Positive Saving Faith response is to RECEIVE the free GRACED gift of Salvation unto yourself ----

Grace who is Jesus by the Way -----Jesus Full of Grace and Truth says the scripture -----makes available all Spiritual Gifts -to Believers ---through His Faith we Receive them and bring them unto ourselves ----

His Faith inbirthed in us brings the Unseen into the Seen and we reap the benefit when we have the right Positive Faith Response ---which is to RECEIVE ----

We have Free Will to Receive or Reject what God has made available to us ------

--Jesus's Faith Receives what Grace ---(Jesus -Full of Grace )---makes available to us -----In the New Testament Grace is a Person -----

Salvation is available to all -who want it --the Right Positive Faith response is acceptance to Receives it

Spiritual Healing is there for Believers ---the Right Positive Faith Response is to accept it and Receives it ---

Spiritual Blessings are there for Believers ----the Right positive Faith Response is to accept them and Receives them -----

yet, one might not necessarily get what they want. What one wants might not be good for their souls. I see might be best to depend on God in acceptance to whatever we get in this earth life here and now, whether rich or poor here. At least to me, thank you Father and Son as Won for us all to be new in your Spirit and Truth of love and mercy for us all. Done first by Son going to that cross willingly and is now risen where the new life from you Father is given
To see new from your view over the world we are in, in vastly different than any religion, thank you Hebrews 8:1-4
 
to me, "saving faith" is a challenge to describe. i haven't heard anyone teaching on it. maybe we can start with each individual's free will & free choice. so, someone hears the call from the Holy Spirit, someone in general or by reading literature that gives the idea to be saved & become a born again Christian. soon, faith enters the picture. said person realizes faith is what it takes to believe in God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit. by course, trust to. as the Christian grows, he or she is learning more & thru faith & more about faith. its something that needs to be worked from time to time. Christians become stronger in Jesus by strengthening faith. since every day is a new day, our actions, reactions & interactions bring new experiences giving us new responses effecting our will & choice. that's the best i can describe it.
 
to me, "saving faith" is a challenge to describe. i haven't heard anyone teaching on it. maybe we can start with each individual's free will & free choice. so, someone hears the call from the Holy Spirit, someone in general or by reading literature that gives the idea to be saved & become a born again Christian. soon, faith enters the picture. said person realizes faith is what it takes to believe in God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit. by course, trust to. as the Christian grows, he or she is learning more & thru faith & more about faith. its something that needs to be worked from time to time. Christians become stronger in Jesus by strengthening faith. since every day is a new day, our actions, reactions & interactions bring new experiences giving us new responses effecting our will & choice. that's the best i can describe it.

I guess you have not been reading the Kerygma thread, where I have been teaching about saving faith. Here is part of it:

There are two main ways God/Christ is encountered:

1. General revelation, which includes meditating on the natural world or God’s supernatural work and moral conscience. Paul said men are without excuse, both because God’s eternal power and divine nature (love) are manifested by creation (Rom. 1:20), and because a proto-gospel has been proclaimed to everyone under heaven implicitly or in pre-NT foreshadowings (Acts 14:16-17, 17:26-27&30, Rom. 1:18-20, Rom. 10:13-18, Col. 1:23, Gal. 3:8, 1Pet. 1:10-12, cf. the Parable of the Talents in Matt. 25:14-30). He also taught that all normal humans have an inner conscience or “common” sense (Rom. 2:14-16), which manifests morality or a moral Authority in every culture. Thus, sinners have no excuse for not seeking God’s salvation or being truthseekers (Matthew 7:7, Hebrews 11:6).

2. Special revelation (1Pet. 1:8-12), which refers mainly to divinely inspired NT teaching regarding God’s history of salvation. Again, the Parable of the Talents indicates that souls are saved via faith in God/ Christ as revealed (cf. 1Cor. 10:1-5). Truthseekers around the world in all times are pilgrims at various places along the road of life, and all true roads eventually lead to the Way to eternal life in heaven (John 14:6, Acts 24:14, Phil. 2:10-11). All truth leads to One Way.

Regarding the second mode of revelation (NT), the kerygma or GRFS can be stated in various ways, which may cause confusion. Some statements (e.g. Acts 16:31, quoted previously, & Eph. 2:8-9) are in terms of believing right, and others (e.g. Matt. 7:21, “only he who does the will of my Father will enter heaven”, cf. Gal. 6:7-9 & Eph. 2:10) are in terms of behaving right. This prompts the question: Is salvation obtained by believing God’s words or by doing God’s works? The answer is indicated by John 6:29: “The work of God is to believe in the one [Messiah/Christ] He has sent.” As Jesus stated (in John 14:6): “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” And saving belief in Christ is connected with or manifested by love for humanity (1John 3:23-24, John 14:15, 23 & 15:9-12).

The mind of Jesus is truth incarnate (John 1:14), and all truth manifests the Spirit of Christ or God (1John 5:6). The work of God (GRFS) is to seek and believe the truth, and part of the truth is that no one comes to know God as Father except through faith in God’s truth embodied as God the Son. And the full Gospel is that salvation is followed by sanctification or spiritual growth toward moral perfection (Phil. 3:12-19) that reflects the love of Christ (Eph. 3:16-19).

Teachings that are secondary or subsequent to learning GRFS may be indicated by another Greek word, didache, which means teaching. The didache may be very important and requisite for becoming spiritually mature, but it is not most important or necessary to know/believe in order to be saved. The distinction between kerygma/saving faith and didache/working faith was made by Jesus when He commissioned His original twelve disciples minus Judas (MT 28:19-20). This “Great Commission” speaks of both types of information. The kerygma is indicated by verse 19, in which Jesus says, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations”.

A Christian disciple is a learner or one who believes the good news about God’s offer of eternal life to all who accept Jesus as Christ, the Lord incarnate. The didache is implicit in verse 20, in which Jesus continues by saying “teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” This speaks of the information a disciple needs to know and believe after conversion in order to grow in Christ-likeness regarding how to live the law of love. It is the “all truth” that is taught by the Spirit referred to in John 16:13. Again, it is very important but not necessary for salvation. Witness the thief on the cross in Luke 23:39-43, who had no opportunity to learn the didache after his conversion; although, like Paul (according to Acts 22:3) and most adults, some didachaic truth is learned prior to knowing the kerygma.

The distinction between kerygma and didache can be seen also in 2 Timothy 3:15-17. The scriptures “which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus” refers to the Gospel or kerygma. The scriptural teaching that is useful for “training in righteousness, so that the man [or woman per Gal. 3:28] of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” refers to the didache. The apostle Paul also employs the difference between kerygma and didache in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. The “foundation… which is Jesus Christ” is the kerygmatic teaching regarding salvation. Paul alludes to the didache when he says that one should be careful how he/she builds upon this foundation.

The distinction between kerygma and didache involves a difference in content and purpose. The kerygma proclaims GRFS, which calls for repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord, which is an all or nothing decision that occurs at one moment in time. The didache teaches God’s will regarding how saints or those who have been saved should live in order to be a good witness for Christ, which involves learning more of God’s Word throughout one’s lifetime. A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].”

There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace or motivates good works while walking/living (Eph. 2:8-10, 2Cor. 5:7), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime (Rom. 1:17). IOW, the ability to do good works as well as have saving faith are both due to God’s grace.

Notice that the kerygma/Gospel fulfills and supersedes OT revelation, but does not contradict its correct interpretation (Heb. 8:6-13). However, the NT revelation of GRFS will never become obsolete (Phil. 2:9-11, Rev. 22:12-13). Thus, new revelations from God’s Holy Spirit will not contradict the Gospel, although they may express its truth in a different way or form, or else God would be inconsistent or tricky. There may be new wine skins, but no new wine (Matt. 19:17). Post-NT inspiration must be didachaic information regarding contemporary moral or political issues.

The kerygma/GRFS should be every Christian’s creed, and only belief in this crucial truth should be viewed as a test for orthodoxy or heresy. As Paul wrote in Romans 10:9, “If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Conversely, judgments concerning a person’s spiritual orientation or ultimate destiny should not be made on the basis of didachaic or secondary doctrines. (If any judgment is made, it should begin with a self-examination per Matt. 7:1&5, 2Cor. 13:5-8).

A major reason many Christians throughout history have not manifested the love and unity of God’s Spirit (Eph. 4:3) as well as they should is because of failure to realize this truth. If they did, it would free them to speak honestly and fellowship without becoming unduly upset about relatively minor issues. They would receive God’s blessing as peacemakers, who draw inclusive circles around people based on the kerygma rather than denominational lines between them due to didachaic differences. Jesus prayed for spiritual unity (cf. John 17:20-23, “May they be one…”). Thus, unity regarding the Gospel is more important than accuracy regarding doctrinal details.
 
Confused by what your saying here ---can you clarify what you mean here ?----can you give an example ?

I asked for a great new Job, wanted a beautiful wife, and best kids ever
When God said no, I was pissed, and wanted to think God does not love me and not want what is best for me, Anyone else go through this type of scenario
God wants what is best for us all. Even if one does not get what one wants. It is not good for one to get. Yet many overlook this and do it anyways, and get messed up seriously.
Jeremiah 29:11 and if I do not get what I think I want, then what happens next?
Do we, you, I continue to believe God wants what is best for us each? Does God know best?
But "I" Want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Will you let go and trust God does know what is best?
Or will you go after what you want regardless?

Hope that clears it up for you Friend in the risen Son
 
to me, "saving faith" is a challenge to describe. i haven't heard anyone teaching on it. maybe we can start with each individual's free will & free choice. so, someone hears the call from the Holy Spirit,

I totally Agree with what your saying in Red here -----the proper Faith is not taught nor talked about in the most main stream Churches ----the reason being most of the time is that the Pastor --is not Born Again and has no idea what God's Saving Faith is themselves -----you can't teach or preach what you don't know yourself --