Understanding preservation of the saints.

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Jordon

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The last point of tulip to be discussed is the p but so far we see that RC Sproul changed the five points of tulip to


Total depravity = radical corruption.

Unconditional election equals sovereign election

Limited atonement equals definite atonement

Irresistible grace means effectual grace

Perseverance of the saints equal preservation of Saints and perseverance of the saints 🙂

This is the last point of tulip I will discuss here now, which is the p.

I may ask is it really that bad of a theology to talk about, as in the sense of idea it a core doctrine of any church, or is it just a theology. What ever your answer is whether you like it, it's not something I would be concerned by. 🙂 I know there are many people who don't like the p, I think it probably stems from a Catholic belief to. But that's another story, for now.

I'm currently working on a nice direction for catholics to go to in logical reasoning that is.

Key points to the sermon, we get the true reading of the Westminster confession regarding effectual grace.

Also RC Sproul makes reference to the fact how just like all the other points can be dangerously miss leading so can this one.

He makes point we do persevere with our own mind but also because we have been preserved to.

The begining point of being regenerated is call devine initiative and it's a begining point given by God,

Based on Philippians 1:6 which says he who has started a good work in you will perfect it until the end 🙂

Here's the sermon

 
Perseverance = What we do
preservation = What God does
thats a good point

Preservation = God maintaining and protecting your perseverance I believe the speaker is suggesting a deep inner preservation of perseverance 😉
 
The last point of tulip to be discussed is the p but so far we see that RC Sproul changed the five points of tulip to


Total depravity = radical corruption.

Unconditional election equals sovereign election

Limited atonement equals definite atonement

Irresistible grace means effectual grace

Perseverance of the saints equal preservation of Saints and perseverance of the saints 🙂

This is the last point of tulip I will discuss here now, which is the p.

I may ask is it really that bad of a theology to talk about, as in the sense of idea it a core doctrine of any church, or is it just a theology. What ever your answer is whether you like it, it's not something I would be concerned by. 🙂 I know there are many people who don't like the p, I think it probably stems from a Catholic belief to. But that's another story, for now.

I'm currently working on a nice direction for catholics to go to in logical reasoning that is.

Key points to the sermon, we get the true reading of the Westminster confession regarding effectual grace.

Also RC Sproul makes reference to the fact how just like all the other points can be dangerously miss leading so can this one.

He makes point we do persevere with our own mind but also because we have been preserved to.

The begining point of being regenerated is call devine initiative and it's a begining point given by God,

Based on Philippians 1:6 which says he who has started a good work in you will perfect it until the end 🙂

Here's the sermon



"Perseverance of the saints equal preservation of Saints and perseverance of the saints 🙂"

Meaningless.
 
"Perseverance of the saints equal preservation of Saints and perseverance of the saints 🙂"

Meaningless.
that's called


vehemently
/ˈviːɪm(ə)ntli/

adverb
adverb: vehemently
  1. in a forceful, passionate, or intense manner; with great feeling.
 
If salvation is assured by the need for perseverance or preservation?
The preservation comes during the devine initiative of the effectual grace the thelogical belief of the point of view from RC Sproul