Do All Religions Lead To God?

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Satan challenged God, NOT the sons of God, why read in what is not there?

Satan was AMONG the sons of God, he was one of them. And again, just a reminder, God told Moses explicitly that no man could see Him and live, so since the "sons of God" get to present themselves before God, they can't be normal man.

and Yes, tribes, families are very important to God,, It is only from the SEED of Abraham come the 12 tribes, THE chosen people, the chosen race of Hebrews!

Race/tribe are very important to God. Christ is from Judah and not only from the tribe of Judah but from one Jewish Man, David.

God is logical and never deviates from His chosen course of action, God is not haphazard.
The entire WORD of God was written only by Hebrews. Race is very important.

I realize to the "left" today, race is an ugly word, but not to God who created the races and each for a different purpose,

In the days of Noah, God's purpose was a hard reset of the earth, the flood wiped out the giants.
 
They are necessarily actual spiritual entities, an idol is a physical dwelling place for such a spiritual entity. The word "demon", "shedim" in the OT, means evil spirit. An idol itself has no power of its own, the evil spirit within does.
I wouldn't limit idols to the physical realm, or the spiritual realm. Idols can be a political ideology, or they can be lusting after somebody to commit sexual immoral acts with them, or they can be many other unclean desires.

Mankind is fallen, we don't need Demons or Satan to tempt us. Fallen man is just as capable of committing evil deeds as the Demons are. We've all heard the saying "the Devil made me do it", but that won't excuse anyone on judgement day. We will all give an account for every idol word.

Demons are Angels, who fell/sinned. Some refer to them as fallen Angels, in any case they have no power of their own. God created them and He is in full control of Satan and the Demons.
 
I wouldn't limit idols to the physical realm, or the spiritual realm. Idols can be a political ideology, or they can be lusting after somebody to commit sexual immoral acts with them, or they can be many other unclean desires.

Mankind is fallen, we don't need Demons or Satan to tempt us. Fallen man is just as capable of committing evil deeds as the Demons are. We've all heard the saying "the Devil made me do it", but that won't excuse anyone on judgement day. We will all give an account for every idol word.

Demons are Angels, who fell/sinned. Some refer to them as fallen Angels, in any case they have no power of their own. God created them and He is in full control of Satan and the Demons.
Yes, in fact, church organizations, church buildings, certain church leaders, certain Christian influencers, certain christian icons, doctrines, even the bible itself could become idols. Maybe it was CS Lewis who once said that "human mind is an idol factory."
 
There couldn't be a "spiritual death" when there's no "spiritual birth" to begin with, by default, all are bound to destruction. Spiritual birth, or born again, is made possible through Christ, this birth gives believers a second, eternal life beyond the moral, natural life. Unbelievers on the other hand will suffer both mortal death and eternal death.

All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. (Eph. 2:3-5)

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. (Jn. 3:18)
But there was a spiritual death for all of mankind, because there was a spiritual birth for all of mankind in Adam.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.


Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men,

As we can see, the verses confirm that we all died in Adam (means we ware all spiritually alive in Adam) by default.
So death spread to (all men), so we can conclude that all men are born spiritually dead in sin.
 
But there was a spiritual death for all of mankind, because there was a spiritual birth for all of mankind in Adam.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.


Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men,

As we can see, the verses confirm that we all died in Adam (means we ware all spiritually alive in Adam) by default.
So death spread to (all men), so we can conclude that all men are born spiritually dead in sin.
Nope, all mankind have a natural birth and a mortal death, including Lord Jesus himself, but only belivers of Christ who are baptized in the Holy Spirit have a spiritual birth, only those IN CHRIST be made alive, the rest just perish.

For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law. (Rom. 2:12)
 
Yes, in fact, church organizations, church buildings, certain church leaders, certain Christian influencers, certain christian icons, doctrines, even the bible itself could become idols. Maybe it was CS Lewis who once said that "human mind is an idol factory."
There's no denying the fact that the enemy is in the Church. The Lord Jesus said in;

Matt, 22:4-5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many".

And, Matthew 7:15 warns, "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves".

Mankind was created to worship, everyone is compelled to worship someone or something. When men turn their back to God and deny Him in unrighteousness, He gives them over to serve their lust and idols. I think that's where the saying, "seeker friendly Church" came from. The wolves in sheep's clothing don't preach the true gospel.
 
Nope, all mankind have a natural birth and a mortal death, including Lord Jesus himself, but only belivers of Christ who are baptized in the Holy Spirit have a spiritual birth, only those IN CHRIST be made alive, the rest just perish.

For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law. (Rom. 2:12)
The wider context of Romans 2:12 reveals that nobody is saved by keeping the law. Paul (a Jew) confirms that the law makes Jews, even more culpable then the Gentiles. Because the law was not given to the Gentiles, even so they are are both without excuse.

All men have a conscience, everyone knows the difference between right and wrong. So Paul was simply stating that ignorance of the law is not an excuse and it is a curse to those to whom it was given, because it's impossible to keep the law.

The impossibility of keeping the law is supposed to drive everyone to put their trust in Christ, so He can keep it on our behalf.
 
The wider context of Romans 2:12 reveals that nobody is saved by keeping the law. Paul (a Jew) confirms that the law makes Jews, even more culpable then the Gentiles. Because the law was not given to the Gentiles, even so they are are both without excuse.

All men have a conscience, everyone knows the difference between right and wrong. So Paul was simply stating that ignorance of the law is not an excuse and it is a curse to those to whom it was given, because it's impossible to keep the law.

The impossibility of keeping the law is supposed to drive everyone to put their trust in Christ, so He can keep it on our behalf.

It's not about the law, but the fate of perishing without salvation through Christ, that applies to both Jew and Gentiles. Law exposes sin as much as diagnosis exposes disease, but law cannot save you from sin as much as diagnosis cannot save you from disease.

He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (Jn. 3:18)
 
Satan was AMONG the sons of God, he was one of them. And again, just a reminder, God told Moses explicitly that no man could see Him and live, so since the "sons of God" get to present themselves before God, they can't be normal man.



In the days of Noah, God's purpose was a hard reset of the earth, the flood wiped out the giants.

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"he was one of them." please give us the scripture that states this. you are doing exactly what the 40,000 flavors do -- create false doctrines. Which is why there are 40,000 and not ONE as it should be.
It says the presented themselves before God -- where does it say they saw Him.
I present myself before God every Sabbath.
 
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"he was one of them." please give us the scripture that states this. you are doing exactly what the 40,000 flavors do -- create false doctrines. Which is why there are 40,000 and not ONE as it should be.
It says the presented themselves before God -- where does it say they saw Him.
I present myself before God every Sabbath.

Per NT teaching we should present ourselves before God (2Tim. 2:15)/walk with God (Mic. 6:8)/be Spirit-filled (Gal. 5:6)/
serve the Lord (Rom. 12:1) every day (Col. 2:26, 3:23)/continually (1John 1:7)/without ceasing (1Thes. 5:17).
 
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"he was one of them." please give us the scripture that states this. you are doing exactly what the 40,000 flavors do -- create false doctrines. Which is why there are 40,000 and not ONE as it should be.
It says the presented themselves before God -- where does it say they saw Him.
I present myself before God every Sabbath.
Read Job 1:6 again.
Per NT teaching we should present ourselves before God (2Tim. 2:15)/walk with God (Mic. 6:8)/be Spirit-filled (Gal. 5:6)/
serve the Lord (Rom. 12:1) every day (Col. 2:26, 3:23)/continually (1John 1:7)/without ceasing (1Thes. 5:17).
NT definition of "sons of God" is not applicable in OT. Israelites were told to present themselves before God, but nobody was spirit-filled, and the medium between man and God was a priest, not Jesus, because this is OT we're talking about. So if Satan was not a Levite priest, neither were "sons of God" Israelites or any other human believers.
 
Read Job 1:6 again.

NT definition of "sons of God" is not applicable in OT. Israelites were told to present themselves before God, but nobody was spirit-filled, and the medium between man and God was a priest, not Jesus, because this is OT we're talking about. So if Satan was not a Levite priest, neither were "sons of God" Israelites or any other human believers.

True, the definition of "sons of God" in Job. 1:6 is different from that of Paul in Rom. 8:14 with most likely guess in Job being "angels".
True, the HS and being Spirit-filled was not fully revealed in the OT, but per 2Pet. 1:21 it happened to the prophets,
and per Rom. 8:9-10 it must have happened for all pre-NT believers to be saints, even though they did not realize it
(cf. Num. 27:18, Judges 6:34, 14:6, 1Sam. 10:9-10, Exo. 31:3, 2Sam. 23:3, Ezek. 2:2).
True, priests mediated between God and believers in the OT, which the NT revealed should no longer be done
(Matt. 23:9, 1Tim. 2:5).
 
True, the definition of "sons of God" in Job. 1:6 is different from that of Paul in Rom. 8:14 with most likely guess in Job being "angels".
True, the HS and being Spirit-filled was not fully revealed in the OT, but per 2Pet. 1:21 it happened to the prophets,
and per Rom. 8:9-10 it must have happened for all pre-NT believers to be saints, even though they did not realize it
(cf. Num. 27:18, Judges 6:34, 14:6, 1Sam. 10:9-10, Exo. 31:3, 2Sam. 23:3, Ezek. 2:2).
True, priests mediated between God and believers in the OT, which the NT revealed should no longer be done
(Matt. 23:9, 1Tim. 2:5).
Alright, so be it.
 
Where is it shown there were "hybrids" on earth? half angels half humans?

I stand by what I wrote, God would never allow that.
"God would never allow that", I agree, but man, to whom God gave dominion (to rule over) the earth, allowed it. That's why God, and Satan HAVE to work through man. God never rescinded giving man dominion, but man (Adam) ceded that dominion when he obeyed Satan instead, " Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness." Romans 6:16. Jesus came to earth, strictly as a man, to take back dominion for man, to all who are obedient to Him. " Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and OVER ALL THE POWER OF THE ENEMY and nothing shall by any means hurt you." Luke 10:19. Jesus came, among other things, to give back dominion to man.
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Sorry I see no "challenge", they came to be present before God
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

here is the GWT 6 One day when the sons of God came to stand in front of the LORD, Satan the Accuser came along with them.

This could possibly be pointing to the line of Seth as the line of Cain are the ungodly

there is not one way it is possible to claim the term "sons of God" points to angels from this scripture.
The only two men in heaven who never died on earth were, according to scripture, Enoch and Elijah. So if, as you claim, the '"sons of God " were of the " line of Seth ", did they appear before God as men? Spirits? In what form did they appear before God. Keep in mind Exodus 33:20 when God told Moses" And He (God ) said, Thou canst NOT SEE MY FACE: for there SHALL NO MAN SEE Me, and live."
Iron sharpens iron, you're welcome.
 
"God would never allow that", I agree, but man, to whom God gave dominion (to rule over) the earth, allowed it. That's why God, and Satan HAVE to work through man. God never rescinded giving man dominion, but man (Adam) ceded that dominion when he obeyed Satan instead, " Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness." Romans 6:16. Jesus came to earth, strictly as a man, to take back dominion for man, to all who are obedient to Him. " Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and OVER ALL THE POWER OF THE ENEMY and nothing shall by any means hurt you." Luke 10:19. Jesus came, among other things, to give back dominion to man.

The only two men in heaven who never died on earth were, according to scripture, Enoch and Elijah. So if, as you claim, the '"sons of God " were of the " line of Seth ", did they appear before God as men? Spirits? In what form did they appear before God. Keep in mind Exodus 33:20 when God told Moses" And He (God ) said, Thou canst NOT SEE MY FACE: for there SHALL NO MAN SEE Me, and live."

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I believe Jesus Christ, He states He is the only one that has been in heaven.

And in Hebrews it states These all died in faith and that does include Enoch but not Elijah. but Elijah, after God moved him after God retired him, sent a letter, did he send a letter from heaven?

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.


39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

and what are we promised?? eternal life. so no one has the promised eternal life yet.
Do you think flesh and blood can go to the 3rd heaven. 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

and then verse 39 says all will be made perfect together, at the same time -- thus at the First resurrection.

I agree with almost nothing that is taught, believed by the 40,000 churches
 
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I believe Jesus Christ, He states He is the only one that has been in heaven.

And in Hebrews it states These all died in faith and that does include Enoch but not Elijah. but Elijah, after God moved him after God retired him, sent a letter, did he send a letter from heaven?

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
and what are we promised?? eternal life. so no one has the promised eternal life yet.

39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Do you think flesh and blood can go to the 3rd heaven. 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

and then verse 39 says all will be made perfect together, at the same time -- thus at the First resurrection.

I agree with almost nothing that is taught, believed by the 40,000 churches
 
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Satan challenged God, NOT the sons of God, why read in what is not there?

and Yes, tribes, families are very important to God,, It is only from the SEED of Abraham come the 12 tribes, THE chosen people, the chosen race of Hebrews!

Race/tribe are very important to God. Christ is from Judah and not only from the tribe of Judah but from one Jewish Man, David.

God is logical and never deviates from His chosen course of action, God is not haphazard.
The entire WORD of God was written only by Hebrews. Race is very important.

I realize to the "left" today, race is an ugly word, but not to God who created the races and each for a different purpose,
" God is logical and never deviates from His chosen course of action." Wouldn't YOU have to know " God's chosen course of action " to make that statement? What was God's " chosen course of action" concerning Adam & Eve ? to not eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ; That all should come to repentance ? Receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior; Jonah in Tarshish? Go to Nineveh; etc., etc. Man has to cooperate with God for God's " chosen course of action " to manifest on the earth.
 
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I believe Jesus Christ, He states He is the only one that has been in heaven.

And in Hebrews it states These all died in faith and that does include Enoch but not Elijah. but Elijah, after God moved him after God retired him, sent a letter, did he send a letter from heaven?

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.


39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

and what are we promised?? eternal life. so no one has the promised eternal life yet.
Do you think flesh and blood can go to the 3rd heaven. 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

and then verse 39 says all will be made perfect together, at the same time -- thus at the First resurrection.

I agree with almost nothing that is taught, believed by the 40,000 churches
There is NO mention of Elijah dying in scripture, that I have seen. If you know where the scripture is please share it with me. The scripture you quoted from Hebrews 11, the "Hall Of Faith ", as some call it, does NOT mention Elijah as one of " these all died in faith "! When did Enoch die, where is it in scripture? " And Enoch liver 65 years, and begat Methuselah: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah 300 years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were 365 years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him" Genesis 5:21-24. Also Hebrews 11:5 " By faith Enoch was translated THAT HE SHOULD NOT SEE DEATH; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." Hebrews 11:5. It seems you don't believe the bible. P.S. " And this is the record, that God HATH ( past tense) given to us eternal life, AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON." 1 John 5:11. Eternal life (Jesus) abides in me, not in the sweet bye and bye, how about you?
 
Where is it shown there were "hybrids" on earth? half angels half humans?

I stand by what I wrote, God would never allow that.
Then why does God allow half human half tech cyborgs? That's the transhuman agenda, modifying human body with technology to enhance human physique and intellect, unless you've been living under a rock, the world is certainly moving in that direction, and that is not new. Scripture is not a refuge to hide from reality, but a tool to discern reality. Jesus prophesied about the end times and likened it to the days of Noah, therefore to discern reality, it is necessary to understand what was happening in the days of Noah. As God allowed those giants, so will he allow the cyborgs, the "image of the beast" in the great tribulation.
 
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There is NO mention of Elijah dying in scripture, that I have seen. If you know where the scripture is please share it with me. The scripture you quoted from Hebrews 11, the "Hall Of Faith ", as some call it, does NOT mention Elijah as one of " these all died in faith "! When did Enoch die, where is it in scripture? " And Enoch liver 65 years, and begat Methuselah: And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah 300 years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were 365 years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him" Genesis 5:21-24. Also Hebrews 11:5 " By faith Enoch was translated THAT HE SHOULD NOT SEE DEATH; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God." Hebrews 11:5. It seems you don't believe the bible. P.S. " And this is the record, that God HATH ( past tense) given to us eternal life, AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON." 1 John 5:11. Eternal life (Jesus) abides in me, not in the sweet bye and bye, how about you?


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I have learned over my many decades that trusting men is not wise, at all

Therefore: I trust only the WORD of God.

That WORD states clearly – it is the Many that are deceived

If most of the 40,000 churches, the Many, teach a doctrine I can not find in clear terms, I reject it. Sadly, there are many.

The Saint’s will Go to heaven, that is their reward --- I have never found!

Repeatedly, it is stated our reward is eternal life – not dwelling in the 3rd heaven.

The Apostle Peter states, we, the saints of God, will reign here on earth with Christ.

The question of Elijah; when the Word States “ALL died” and does not state, except Elijah, I must believe he is included. There is that one unclear scripture.

When it states “that theywithoutus should not be made perfect.” “they” - “all” - those that came before Christ will rises to eternal life -- together at the same time, I must believe the Word.

I know nothing can or will change anyone’s mind. The Word states clearly the entire world has been deceived by Satan and will be so until Christ’s returns bringing Truth.

The web gives the number of Christian churches at 45,000.

Why are there more than ONE? Even on this blog there is very little agreement.

Fact; God’s word must be revealed. Unless the Father opens one’s mind, there can be no understanding of HIS Word.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Why would Christ not want the Many to understand and be saved? As Christ taught, it is only the FEW that He came to call now?

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables:because (#991-that they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not,neither” #3761and not’ understand.

Christ did not want the MANY to understand --- Christ came to call only the FEW and this time. The many will be called at a later time