Loss of salvation???

[Musicmaster]

Don’t fully understand what you are saying in your last paragraph.

But me like you & @mailmandan i have decided to shake the dust of my feet and leave men to God.

Pearls to pigs and Pharisees come to mind.

No problem. I'll try to explain it more clearly with quoted references. I fully encourage everyone to go into scriptures for themselves and study these things for themselves to be more fully convinced in their own thinking.

Revelation 21:1-3
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Those who read scripture with overly-simplistic rendering in their understanding will say the city itself will be that bride, but that makes no sense to claim the Lord will join Himself to the object, the new Jerusalem, but rather those who will inhabit that city.

Replacement theology has its followers believing Gentiles will inhabit that city, but that simply isn't the case at all. It will be ancient Israel from before the fall of Israel and modern Israel after the rapture who become believers during the tribulation, THEY are the ones who will inhabit that great city and who will be once again the bride of Christ.

Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

The Lord was already married to Israel, divorced her, and will once again remarry her rather than to become a serial polygamist as is the practice of so many within churchianity today. They love trying to bring down to the level of man the very God who is man's Creator. It's a pastime sinners entertain themselves with through their sick musings about the One they truly don't know.

Reading on:

Jeremiah 3:12-14
12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.
13 Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.
14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

So, after the Lord divorced Israel, He still considered Himself married to her. Reading that entire section of scripture shows to us the reconciliation the Lord desired for Israel, and there's no other section of scripture anywhere the Lord ever declared His absolute denial of Israel forever. This is part of what paints replacement theology for the wicked and evil system of belief that it is.

Also consider this:

Revelation 21:12, 14
12 And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: ...
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

The names on that city are those who were and are of Israel, not Gentiles. The habitation of that city, then, will be Israel and Judah combined into a singular chosen people of God as His nation of priests with Him as their King. Gentiles who don't like this, that's just too bad for them. They will kick against that mountain with their impacts having no effect whatsoever in an attempt to rewrite scripture away from what it actually states through systematic study.

I hope that helped your understanding coupled with you studying those sections and others in their complete context.

MM

 

[sawdust]

How can anyone debate with you if you just share your opinion?

I asked you questions because what you say makes no sense, it's not in HIS word.

LOL, Adam being baptized???

Adam was born about 4 thousand years before being baptized in JESUS name even started!!!

I never asked you to listen to me, MATTER A FACT I NEVER TOLD YOU NOTHING, JUST SHARED HIS WORD AND ASKED YOU TO BACK UP YOURS.

It makes no sense to you because it is not the answer you want.

Why do you keep bringing up baptism? There is nothing about baptism in John 3. This about how one is born from above, something everyone needs if they want to know God otherwise, like Jesus said, you won't understand spiritual matters.

John 3:12
I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

That is why one must be born again and it occurred from Adam onwards.

Why do you not understand these things?

And why do you yell at people all the time? Very rude.

 

[memberofthebride]

I bet there are a lot of church that use it, and agree with you.

I followed a baptist preacher at 17, he's the precher right? Later to find out he was wrong and I never checked him with GODS word. Blind leading the blind.

So who running that church? JESUS or the preacher?

This I know, it's my job to keep the pastor in check if he follows something on that list or more.

For instance if he said, say this prayer and your saved and I didn't question him I am at fought.

I go to him after service, if he does not change now it's my choice go to a different church or stay and support those lies.

Being REBORN with the book of Acts as the foundation is the most important part, we will never find a perfect church as long as men are running them we all make mistakes until the day we die.

GOD BLESS YOU.



You are two funny, what is your mission??

It is in my KJV bible, the Holy Ghost 90 times.

Ghost and Holy Ghost 109 times.

I am following ONE man HIS name is JESUS.

Do you have a KJV bible?

Look at Mat 1:18, 20, 3:11, 12:31, 32, 28:19
Mark 1:8, 3:29, 12:36, 13:11

Just a few.

Or are you saying I should follow YOU??

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I will give one example why each word must be checked to see if can cause confusion .
And no, do not follow any man!

this is the Hebrew word for "soul" which many of the 40,000 flavors of confusion believe tells them "they' Have or are an immortal soul.

animals are "nephesh"

So, from this please explain how or why, if it is what you have believed, if you have or are a "soul" and if you are immortal?

5315. nephesh

Lexical Summary

nephesh: Soul, life, self, person, heart, creature, mind, living being​

Original Word: נֶפֶשׁ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: nephesh
Pronunciation: neh'-fesh
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-fesh)

KJV: any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead(-ly), desire, X (dis-)contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart(-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-)self, them (your)-selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it

NASB: soul, life, person, lives, himself, persons, yourselves
Word Origin: [from H5314 (נָפַשׁ - refreshed)]

1. (properly) a breathing creature, i.e. animal of (abstractly) vitality
2. used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental)

 

[timemeddler]

I bet there are a lot of church that use it, and agree with you.

Agree with what? I've misunderstood what people mean in daily life, why would I think it's impossible to make a mistake in understanding scripture with any version?

 

[timemeddler]

I know this is an old thread..and the OP has not returned in a while I hope you are ok. OP. If your still reading,

If I recall correctly, King David asked to be restored to the joy of his salvation. He was a humble man, and knew he struggled with sin like we all do. When I backslide, which I sometimes do, and sin, I also loose my joy and peace and love thats all. He knows none of us are perfect in the things that we do. its not easy when we run with temptation...I still find pockets of unforgiveness and bitterness and self hatred, and know I need God to soft touch me. Sometimes through others. Sometimes through Scripture, sometimes through nature.

Blessings.

you got me curious, I looked up david. when confronted with his adultery, he basically then acknowledged his sin, and was told his sin was taken away and wouldn't die, but was still subjected to worldy consqequences. Then later with census thing, he basically acknowledged his sins, like john says much later.

 

[NightTwister]

I will a dress two comments of yours:

first -The lake of fire...the one you claim to not believe in?
The Lake of Fire IS NOT HELL, it burn to ashes and the person is dead for ever, no torture involved.

Second
So, you don't have answers to my questions? Peter was an apostle to Israel, not the body of Christ to whom Paul preached and served as THE apostle.

What?? so you are stating gentile "Christians" are only to listen to Paul and none of the other 12 OR CHRIST??

Paul states and you must be well aware of this one-- " 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Show me how you can twist this one?

I came On this blog to see, first hand, how the WORD of GOD has been twisted into knots by the 40,000 flavors of confusion--- to achieve 40,000 flavors ---- the WORD must be twisted!!!!!

The human mind is an amazing thing --- the abilities God put in it are all most limitless -- for good and for evil!

What's the name over the door of yours?

 

[Spiritwalker]

you got me curious, I looked up david. when confronted with his adultery, he basically then acknowledged his sin, and was told his sin was taken away and wouldn't die, but was still subjected to worldy consqequences. Then later with census thing, he basically acknowledged his sins, like john says much later.

Psalm 51:12 isn't it attributed to King David?

 

[timemeddler]

Psalm 51:12 isn't it attributed to King David?

I think so

 

[Ouch]

It makes no sense to you because it is not the answer you want.

Why do you keep bringing up baptism? There is nothing about baptism in John 3. This about how one is born from above, something everyone needs if they want to know God otherwise, like Jesus said, you won't understand spiritual matters.

John 3:12
I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

That is why one must be born again and it occurred from Adam onwards.

Why do you not understand these things?

And why do you yell at people all the time? Very rude.

Every time I deal with you it's the same out come.

I'm not the kind to put people on ignore.

You really should just say things that line up with GODS word, that way when your talking to someone (one would think since this is bible based sight) others would have some kind of clue what your talking about.

Just your opinon don't work.

Best of luck, if JESUS ever tugs at you again and you feel the need to respond keep in mind HE does not hear sinners and the only way to get rid of your sins is in the water.

 

[Ouch]

Agree with what? I've misunderstood what people mean in daily life, why would I think it's impossible to make a mistake in understanding scripture with any version?

You said, some preaching the belief IN THAT LIST!!

That's what I agreeed with.

Scripture is not a hard read as long as you keep things in context.

Why do you thing JESUS told HIS disciples not to go out without the Holy Ghost???

But the book of Acts the building of the church is easy.

All books after that are letters to church's or others but not to the unsaved some of those are chanlaning.

 

[NightTwister]

ouch

You do understand the Word of God comes to us by translators who may or may not believe as we do and will translate according to their beliefs?

the word "Passover" they translate as easter.
the word "wind" and "breath", they translate as ghost.

if what I have stated above did not have some credibility then there would not be 40,000 churches, all would be on the same page.

What's the name over the door of yours?

 

[NightTwister]

comment:

I will give one example why each word must be checked to see if can cause confusion .
And no, do not follow any man!

this is the Hebrew word for "soul" which many of the 40,000 flavors

What's the name over the door of yours. If it's so important that we believe as you do, you should at least give us the opportunity.

 

[Genez]

What most of them overlook is that the Church was FIRST populated ONLY by Jews, not Gentiles.

MM

But, there was not replacement of the Jews.
It was God germinating and budding a new kind of man in Christ.
For the mean time, God sent the Jews to the bench to sit out the new game in play.

The Church is not doing what the Jews had done.
The Church was not formed into a nation representative of God's way to run a nation.
Instead, the Church is now influencing (but not running) the nations they find themselves living in.

 

[memberofthebride]

nighttwister

I will consider, I will get back to you

One understanding; I , we have -- no one comes to Jesus Christ UNLESS the Father draws him.
Meaning; I can not convince anyone to seek Christ, to want to follow Christ, it is not up to the person or me, it is the Father that choose who will become a disciple of Jesus Christ.

I wrote earlier, I hated "religion", wanted no part of it.. and yet here I am decades later. It was not my 'first' choice, it meant my life would change dramatically, which it did.

I love following Jesus Christ,

 

[sawdust]

Every time I deal with you it's the same out come.

I'm not the kind to put people on ignore.

You really should just say things that line up with GODS word, that way when your talking to someone (one would think since this is bible based sight) others would have some kind of clue what your talking about.

Just your opinon don't work.

Best of luck, if JESUS ever tugs at you again and you feel the need to respond keep in mind HE does not hear sinners and the only way to get rid of your sins is in the water.

It wasn't water hanging on the Cross and Jesus doesn't baptize with water.

Hopefully one day you might learn something useful but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Ouch]

It wasn't water hanging on the Cross and Jesus doesn't baptize with water.

Hopefully one day you might learn something useful but I won't hold my breath.

John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

You do know when JESUS died on that cross he had ALL of our sins right?

HIS job as a man was done, but HIS job was not done.

HE ROSE AGAIN, Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

YEP, WATER, Nothing lives WITHOUT IT.

Note: I sure don't know it all, so when you made statements that WERE UNTRUE I thought maybe you could teach me something, but nope you couldn't back nothing up with HIS word.

I'm humble, are you?

 

[mailmandan]

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No! I, like all humans, am afflicted, infected if you will, with Carnal human nature and will be until the First Resurrection.

I will struggle with it until then and so will you.

this is part of what we must "Overcome" our human nature and it is a battle until our death.

Christ stated a TRUTH,, ""THERE is not one good -- no not ONE!"

With out the Father's Spirit in me, giving me HIS power, overcoming is utterly impossible.

"free will" ?? where is there POWER in that? are you saying YOU have the will power to save yourself?

Nobody has the will power to save themselves. We all fall short and need a Savior. (Romans 3:23; 6:23) Are you saying we don't have free will to choose to BELIEVE the gospel? (Acts 15:7-9; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 1:13) The gospel is the POWER of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in POWER, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake. (1 Thessalonians 1:5)

 

[memberofthebride]

Nobody has the will power to save themselves. We all fall short and need a Savior. (Romans 3:23; 6:23) Are you saying we don't have free will to choose to BELIEVE the gospel? (Acts 15:7-9; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 1:13) The gospel is the POWER of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in POWER, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake. (1 Thessalonians 1:5)

COMMENT:

If mankind was not given, at creation, by The Family of God, the right and the mind, the mental ability to choose to follow God or Satan. then everything written in THE WORD of God is false!

FACT: Every last human ever born must - and will have to make that choice. some, hopefully few, will follow Satan.

I have placed my eternal life at risk,, based on ----THE WORD OF GOD, OLD/T AND NEW/T IS THE TRUTH!!!

 

[mailmandan]

COMMENT:

If mankind was not given, at creation, by The Family of God, the right and the mind, the mental ability to choose to follow God or Satan. then everything written in THE WORD of God is false!

FACT: Every last human ever born must - and will have to make that choice. some, hopefully few, will follow Satan.

I have placed my eternal life at risk,, based on ----THE WORD OF GOD, OLD/T AND NEW/T IS THE TRUTH!!!

What do YOU believe the gospel IS and also what do YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel?

 

[sawdust]

John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

You do know when JESUS died on that cross he had ALL of our sins right?

HIS job as a man was done, but HIS job was not done.

HE ROSE AGAIN, Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

YEP, WATER, Nothing lives WITHOUT IT.

Note: I sure don't know it all, so when you made statements that WERE UNTRUE I thought maybe you could teach me something, but nope you couldn't back nothing up with HIS word.

I'm humble, are you?

Amazing how you can take things completely out of context to justify your error.

Why don't you show me where baptism is talked about in John 3? You don't seem to be able to tell the difference between baptism and regeneration. You don't even seem to understand what regeneration is.

What was untrue? That the Spirit gives birth to spirit?

John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

You do know when JESUS died on that cross he had ALL of our sins right?

HIS job as a man was done, but HIS job was not done.

HE ROSE AGAIN, Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

YEP, WATER, Nothing lives WITHOUT IT.

Note: I sure don't know it all, so when you made statements that WERE UNTRUE I thought maybe you could teach me something, but nope you couldn't back nothing up with HIS word.

I'm humble, are you?

Just how many spiritual births do you need? John 3 is talking about being born spiritually. You want two spiritual births, water and Spirit?

The problem isn't that what I said was untrue, the problem is you have no idea what John 3 is talking about or why.

Nicodemus is a religious type and a leading teacher of the Law which is why Jesus is telling him he needs to be born from above if he is ever going to understand the Kingdom of God and teach others with true spiritual understanding.

I'd go into more detail but honestly? I think it would be a waste of my time on you. You're not really interested in learning as much as you like to make the claim.