So it's just your word, WE have ONE GOD and how many people on this earth's OPINION??
Why should I follow your opinion and not another mans?
Do you EVER base your opinion on HIS word???
Loss of salvation???
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So it's just your word, WE have ONE GOD and how many people on this earth's OPINION??
Why should I follow your opinion and not another mans?
Do you EVER base your opinion on HIS word???
What's the purpose of being cast into the lake of fire?
So, when you sin, you accidently fall into a pit of sin and do not exercise your free will?
You're welcome. You often have quoted others and said silly things like "why do you refute scripture?"
I gave scriptures which in context answer your question.
When I had shared the other scriptures you seem to misunderstand, I colored them to help show context and gave eisegesis in parenthesis.
Now when I answered your question with scripture you refuse it but in your posts I have found maybe a dozen which say things like you said here.
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I am long winded, I hope and trust you will read it all and others viewing this as well
Which has been going on since the first Adam, worse now, since there is much larger population
I see it and I see to stand in my own working out my salvation between God Fater and Son for me. Knowing it is God that does the true work, not ever me at all, or any other flesh but Son's as now done, no more knowing Jesus in the flesh 2 Cor 5:16. To be made Wise as a serpent and remain harmless as a dove, To trust Father's timing and speaking through me being only a vessel of God in love and mercy to all for all, whether another believes yet or not. No condemnation, since Christ took away sin for us to not accuse, abuse or excuse anyone. I stepped out of the judgment seat, which does not make me unaware or do not care. I just see to watch out for my first birth flesh that can and has gotten in the way. Father always lets me know, never beats me up, never berates me, never whips me, because we have a relationship as friends. I am willing for God's lead always, even though this world can get anyone messed up along the way, getting one to focus on others too much and get angry too much over it. been there done that, see better now in experience and God's continued love working it all out through me, in continued mercy and truth of Son for us all first.
God knows what each person needs, not me. I can only think I know and see to not think I know, taking all thought captive to the obedience of Son Jesus, who said I say nothing or do nothing unless my Dad says to.
The band camp of the flesh, not willingly dead to the self, yet will claim they are, and are not by the work fruits I see that are not of the true Tree of God. God who truly is for us all in love and mercy to us all, has proven to me in risen Son, God Father just loves us as we are, that is when true change begins in anyone once willing to hear truth over errors from God for sure. After his one time death first took away sin in Father's sight for us to be new in love and mercy to all too, which is a working relationship. That has not changed from Father God since day one, when the first Adam fell in unbelief and ate from that tree in thought death would not be, Yet death has been happening so far in the flesh ever since. So, best to give up on my first born flesh and turn to God Father and Son in God's Spirit and Truth John 4:23-24
Presently, what I see evil does to those that stand in belief, no matter what, evil goes after them in their own hypocrisy and babbling in people's ears, sounding well, as if they know what God thinks and does and is. It is those people that I leave alone, yet sometimes get drawn in. Still growing, Learning to listen to God alone and continue to learn from God my mistakes along the way. As in Luke 21:14-15 and have seen God only speak truth through me and I have stood incredibly surprised, otherwise I see my mouth trap shut, that in past has made a mess again and thanking Father for the clean up again in love and mercy that has not ever quit not me since age 12, and boy have I messed up time and time again and again. I deserve to be dead, period! Yet Goodness and mercy has followed, even though I have been in many tragedies along the way, God has never left me or you or you or anyone, even though I bet may times it has felt as if God has or did, unless one repents again and again. Which is a lie from religions that take control of the masses and be God over God, yet say they are not, and are. I say nothing in awareness unless led to say anything, usually not!, Yet I want to, that be the flesh part that is not redeemed yet.
I know to not even go there, I trust God to reach the masses, one person at a time
Thank you Father, Thanksgiving and praise are in order, so far by Son you have removed sin from us all by Son as in Psalm 103:12, ready to give the new heart offered to be given in Ezekiel 36:26-27 Thank you a million times over
Time to ask and see new anyone else?
You asked me questions, I answered them. I gave you scripture. You don't like the answers? Too bad.
We are saved by grace through faith. We are born again when we believe in Christ, ie. the Gospel.
You're the one who cannot distinguish between baptism and regeneration. Jesus said nothing about being baptized in order to be born again. You don't seem to like that very much, I don't know why. I guess you just want to have things your way.
Adam had to born again after he sinned. Was he baptized? No.
Why should I listen to you?
You seem to think it laughable that we are reborn by the work of the Spirit even though the scripture clearly states such.
So be it.
grace and peace.
I know what I said, thank you.
So you had the chance to tell me how to be reborn and didn't, OK.
I will share WHAT WE HAVE TO DO,
1. Belive, all over HIS word including the verse you shared.
2. Repent, Matthew 4:17
3. Get baptized in JESUS name to remove our sins. Acts 2:38, 22:16
4. Is what JESUS has to do, fill us with HIS spirit like HE did HIS disciples in Acts 2:4, 10:45-46, 19:6.
Are you a JESUS disciple?
Have you received the Holy Ghost since you have believed?
Do you believe HIS word?
You asked me questions, I answered them. I gave you scripture. You don't like the answers? Too bad.
We are saved by grace through faith. We are born again when we believe in Christ, ie. the Gospel.
You're the one who cannot distinguish between baptism and regeneration. Jesus said nothing about being baptized in order to be born again. You don't seem to like that very much, I don't know why. I guess you just want to have things your way.
Adam had to born again after he sinned. Was he baptized? No.
Why should I listen to you?
You seem to think it laughable that we are reborn by the work of the Spirit even though the scripture clearly states such.
So be it.
grace and peace.
How can anyone debate with you if you just share your opinion?
I asked you questions because what you say makes no sense, it's not in HIS word.
LOL, Adam being baptized???
Adam was born about 4 thousand years before being baptized in JESUS name even started!!!
I never asked you to listen to me, MATTER A FACT I NEVER TOLD YOU NOTHING, JUST SHARED HIS WORD AND ASKED YOU TO BACK UP YOURS.
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There are those that have and will refuse to obey, refuse to live THAT ONE WAY Christ came to show us. they will not be allowed into the Kingdom, the family of God.
So God, in His mercy simply ends their life forever --- no torture for all eternity.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
here is Jesus Christ saying the same thing.
Luke 19
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.
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No! I, like all humans, am afflicted, infected if you will, with Carnal human nature and will be until the First Resurrection.
I will struggle with it until then and so will you.
this is part of what we must "Overcome" our human nature and it is a battle until our death.
Christ stated a TRUTH,, ""THERE is not one good -- no not ONE!"
With out the Father's Spirit in me, giving me HIS power, over coming is utterly impossible.
"free will" ?? where is there POWER in that? are you saying YOU have the will power to save your self?
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You do understand the Word of God comes to us by translators who may or may not believe as we do and will translate according to their beliefs?
the word "Passover" they translate as easter.
the word "wind" and "breath", they translate as ghost.
if what I have stated above did not have some credibility then there would not be 40,000 churches, all would be on the same page.
Yes Sir, I sure do, thank you.
That is why I trust the KJV to be HIS word and follow that only.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
King James Version
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
And if ANYONE CHANGES IT,
Revelation 22:18-19
King James Version
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
The reason there are so many denominations is because they don't like what HIS word says or don't rightly divide it.
For instance, the man-made sinner's prayer,
We are saved by faith or grace alone,
Paul preached a different message,
Once saved always saved,
Baptism is for show, the list goes on and on.
If we all had ONE foundation we would all be on the same page.
So who do we follow? Men or JESUS?
If the KJV bible uses the word's Holy GHOST, then the word's is Holy GHOST.
The word's Holy Ghost is mentioned 90 times in the NT,
Holy Spirit is mentioned 7 times, 3 OT and 4 NT.
I will not question the KJV, if it's wrong in one place it has to be wrong in many.
I do not have the authority to change it or question it.
only possible way is either they literally didn't know something was against the bible, or they rationlized some grey area in their mind and decided for themselves it's non-applicable. I know I've done the later with things that I don't consider sin, but some people do.
aren't there several kjv only denominations, some of which claim to be the only true church, and some preaching the beliefs in that list?
As you saw for yourself in the posting from another, the weak and beggarly ploy of twisting your and all other's belief in the freedom to choose faith in Christ, it was relegated to one allegedly saving himself, which is not at all what that freedom to choose leads to in the realm of salvation. That was and is such a pathetic tactic that person tried to deploy against you, not to mention a totally worn out tactic just like the race card among the progressive liberals out there.
I have yet to meet even just one person among the body of Christ who ever thought they had saved themselves as opposed to freely choosing faith in Christ for His death, burial and resurrection on the third day; knowing that faith in such results in the fulfillment of the PROMISE that we are THEN saved only by and through Christ Jesus and His accomplished atonement on that cross.
It's all about Christ, but the enemies of salvation by grace through faith out there continue their wicked barrage of Satanic attacks through false accusations in summary. Some people just aren't worth responding to out there who make use of such. Dan, I'd ignore that poster entirely if he/she/it can't behave himself/herself/itself (since we don't know how that individual or collective self-identifies).
What they will find out in the end is that they are not members of the bride of Christ. Even me as an Israeli am not a member of that bride since it will only be Jews in the new earth living in the New Jerusalem who will be that bride. I will dwell in the Heavenlies along with my Gentile brothers and sisters who are a part of the bride of Christ.
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Don’t fully understand what you are saying in your last paragraph.
But me like you & @mailmandan i have decided to shake the dust of my feet and leave men to God.
Pearls to pigs and Pharisees come to mind.
I bet there are a lot of church that use it, and agree with you.
I followed a baptist preacher at 17, he's the precher right? Later to find out he was wrong and I never checked him with GODS word. Blind leading the blind.
So who running that church? JESUS or the preacher?
This I know, it's my job to keep the pastor in check if he follows something on that list or more.
For instance if he said, say this prayer and your saved and I didn't question him I am at fought.
I go to him after service, if he does not change now it's my choice go to a different church or stay and support those lies.
Being REBORN with the book of Acts as the foundation is the most important part, we will never find a perfect church as long as men are running them we all make mistakes until the day we die.
GOD BLESS YOU.
You are two funny, what is your mission??
It is in my KJV bible, the Holy Ghost 90 times.
Ghost and Holy Ghost 109 times.
I am following ONE man HIS name is JESUS.
Do you have a KJV bible?
Look at Mat 1:18, 20, 3:11, 12:31, 32, 28:19
Mark 1:8, 3:29, 12:36, 13:11
Just a few.
Or are you saying I should follow YOU??