The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[Undergrace1]

Yes, Jesus is very clear: keeping His commandments is tied to life. He doesn’t make exceptions for anyone. No one is a “special case” outside obedience. Breaking the commandments doesn’t mean you automatically lose salvation in some abstract sense, but Jesus warns plainly that entering life requires keeping them.
Look at your verses:

• John 14:15 – Love is shown by obedience. Love without obedience is empty.
• Matthew 19:17 – Eternal life is conditional on keeping the commandments. Jesus doesn’t hedge this.
• John 8:51 – Keeping His word (His teachings and commands) is directly connected to life.

So yes, transgressing the Ten Commandments is serious. It is not about being “special” or “above the law.” The apostles never claimed any exemption, and Jesus Himself lived perfectly under the law to show us the path. Anyone claiming that keeping the commandments doesn’t matter is ignoring Jesus’ own words.
This is why the modern idea that “Jesus replaced the commandments” or that obedience is optional is flat wrong. Jesus Himself commands obedience, and His life proves it is possible.

I wonder if you consider the tenth commandment, obeying law no one but you and God need know you break/your thoughts/desires, or whether you are only concerned with outward obedience! I guess the latter!

 

[Undergrace1]

Yes, Jesus is very clear: keeping His commandments is tied to life. He doesn’t make exceptions for anyone. No one is a “special case” outside obedience. Breaking the commandments doesn’t mean you automatically lose salvation in some abstract sense, but Jesus warns plainly that entering life requires keeping them.
Look at your verses:

• John 14:15 – Love is shown by obedience. Love without obedience is empty.
• Matthew 19:17 – Eternal life is conditional on keeping the commandments. Jesus doesn’t hedge this.
• John 8:51 – Keeping His word (His teachings and commands) is directly connected to life.

So yes, transgressing the Ten Commandments is serious. It is not about being “special” or “above the law.” The apostles never claimed any exemption, and Jesus Himself lived perfectly under the law to show us the path. Anyone claiming that keeping the commandments doesn’t matter is ignoring Jesus’ own words.
This is why the modern idea that “Jesus replaced the commandments” or that obedience is optional is flat wrong. Jesus Himself commands obedience, and His life proves it is possible.

And your zzz response to a post of mine pointing out to obey the TC requires obedience on the inside as well as outside, and my pointing out people who keep repeating you must obey the TC have only a shallow understanding of what that entails says much

 

[vassal]

I wonder if you consider the tenth commandment, obeying law no one but you and God need know you break/your thoughts/desires, or whether you are only concerned with outward obedience! I guess the latter!

stop accusing me you do not know me.

Yes — the Tenth Commandment is real, serious, and seen by God alone. You can hide coveting, envy, lust, or greed from everyone else, but God sees your heart. The law is not just about outward actions; it’s mostly about the thoughts and desires that lead to sin. Jesus Himself made this clear:

• Matthew 5:28 (ASV): “But I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”

Breaking the Tenth Commandment — coveting what belongs to another — is sin in the heart even if no one else knows. There is no special loophole or “secret sins don’t count” exception. God judges the thoughts as well as the deeds.

So yes, what you fear is real, but it’s also why Jesus teaches us to guard our hearts, to live in obedience, and to seek His help to conquer internal sin. Hiding it from people does not hide it from God. Obedience is required in heart, thought, and action.

 

[Undergrace1]

stop accusing me you do not know me.

Yes — the Tenth Commandment is real, serious, and seen by God alone. You can hide coveting, envy, lust, or greed from everyone else, but God sees your heart. The law is not just about outward actions; it’s mostly about the thoughts and desires that lead to sin. Jesus Himself made this clear:

• Matthew 5:28 (ASV): “But I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”

Breaking the Tenth Commandment — coveting what belongs to another — is sin in the heart even if no one else knows. There is no special loophole or “secret sins don’t count” exception. God judges the thoughts as well as the deeds.

So yes, what you fear is real, but it’s also why Jesus teaches us to guard our hearts, to live in obedience, and to seek His help to conquer internal sin. Hiding it from people does not hide it from God. Obedience is required in heart, thought, and action.

Oh I am making an informed judgement. Paul gave the tenth commandment as an example of why he had to die to the law, you know, the law you keep insisting must be obeyed to enter life. People who think like you do, do not have consciousness much of the time when they are transgressing the TC, I have witnessed it in a church I went to on a Saturday for a while. You say you must obey the TC if you expect to see life, if you believe you do not transgress them, you are seeking to discuss a subject you know little about

 

[Undergrace1]

stop accusing me you do not know me.

Yes — the Tenth Commandment is real, serious, and seen by God alone. You can hide coveting, envy, lust, or greed from everyone else, but God sees your heart. The law is not just about outward actions; it’s mostly about the thoughts and desires that lead to sin. Jesus Himself made this clear:

• Matthew 5:28 (ASV): “But I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”

Breaking the Tenth Commandment — coveting what belongs to another — is sin in the heart even if no one else knows. There is no special loophole or “secret sins don’t count” exception. God judges the thoughts as well as the deeds.

So yes, what you fear is real, but it’s also why Jesus teaches us to guard our hearts, to live in obedience, and to seek His help to conquer internal sin. Hiding it from people does not hide it from God. Obedience is required in heart, thought, and action.

According to you, if you want to enter life:
You must never put anything before God in your life
You must never erect any graven image in your mind
You must never dwell on any impure thought
You must never desire anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household
You must never have sexual desire in your thoughts for anyone apart from your spouse
You must obey the law relating to the inner man/thoughts/desires. the law no one but you and God need know you break
Thou shalt NOT no wiggle room for error, perfectly obey that law or stand guilty before it.
I wonder, how many who think like you will enter life

 

[TMS]

Martin Luther did not have all the truth.
I don't think anyone has all the truth.
We are told some things will remain a mystery,

But God has guided people into the truth about the sabbath and many are so fixed in their tradition that they refuse to change.

How many people listened to Noah?

Because of the reformation. The false teachings of papal Rome were slowly removed as time went on.

The bible became the source of truth and fighteousness by faith the center of their teaching.

There isn't many protestant churches left today. Most have become friends with Rome again.

Protestants leads from the past would be disgusted by the protestant churches today..

Ignorance to biblical truth and Abandonment of Reformation principles has caused the protestant churches to join hands with the papal system again.

 

[Undergrace1]

Martin Luther did not have all the truth.
I don't think anyone has all the truth.
We are told some things will remain a mystery,

But God has guided people into the truth about the sabbath and many are so fixed in their tradition that they refuse to change.

How many people listened to Noah?

Because of the reformation. The false teachings of papal Rome were slowly removed as time went on.

The bible became the source of truth and fighteousness by faith the center of their teaching.

There isn't many protestant churches left today. Most have become friends with Rome again.

Protestants leads from the past would be disgusted by the protestant churches today..

Ignorance to biblical truth and Abandonment of Reformation principles has caused the protestant churches to join hands with the papal system again.

Well Paul tells us if we have never known of biblical law we can show the requirements of the law(not some of the requirements) are written on our hearts, obviously by the way we act
I would never have known by instinct I should observe a set Saturday sabbath, so that law as written has obviously not been placed on my heart.
I wonder how many, who have never known of biblical law would by instinct set aside a set Saturday sabbath
But I get it, many think, if they do observe that day as a sabbath, they are being obedient, so other faults will not be viewed so seriously. But of course, that doesn't fit with: You MUST obey the TC

 

[vassal]

Well Paul tells us if we have never known of biblical law we can show the requirements of the law(not some of the requirements) are written on our hearts, obviously by the way we act
I would never have known by instinct I should observe a set Saturday sabbath, so that law as written has obviously not been placed on my heart.
I wonder how many, who have never known of biblical law would by instinct set aside a set Saturday sabbath
But I get it, many think, if they do observe that day as a sabbath, they are being obedient, so other faults will not be viewed so seriously. But of course, that doesn't fit with: You MUST obey the TC

The law is written on our hearts in a general sense, so people naturally know right and wrong. But specific commandments, like the Sabbath, are revealed by God to His people and must be taught and observed (Exodus 20:8–11 KJV; Ezekiel 20:12 KJV). The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people, and Jesus Himself affirmed it, saying, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law… till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” (Matthew 5:17–18 KJV), and “The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath” (Mark 2:27 KJV). Observing the Sabbath is not about instinct or feeling; it is about obedience to God’s command.

The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath, are binding for all who know them. But God also judges by what is in the heart. Ezekiel explains that each person bears responsibility for their own actions: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die… The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him” (Ezekiel 18:20 KJV). Jesus also taught that judgment considers how people acted toward others and followed God’s truth in their hearts, not only what rules they knew (Matthew 25:31–46 KJV).

So, if someone has never known about the Sabbath but lives righteously according to the light they have, God is just and merciful, and He will judge fairly. Ignorance does not excuse rebellion, but God always weighs knowledge, opportunity, and heart
obedience. Love for God, keeping His moral ways, and acting righteously are what He values, and the Sabbath, when known, is part of the obedience He requires (John 14:15; Matthew 19:17; John 8:51 KJV).

God is perfectly just and sees the heart and knowledge of each person. If someone truly does good—loves God, obeys His moral ways, cares for others—but never knew about the Sabbath, they are not automatically condemned for ignorance. God judges according to the truth that was revealed and what a person could know. He takes into account whether someone had the opportunity to know and obey His commands (Deuteronomy 1:17; 2 Chronicles 19:7 KJV).

 

[TMS]

I started reading Ellen G White's "Great Controversy". I got about one page in before I quit. I'd been saved for about 4 years and even then I saw it as unbiblical. At least some Adventists put her writings on a par with scripture. That is not true. If her writing was supposed to be prophecy, then she was a false prophet.

Where I live, for decades there were laws that prohibited selling much at all on a Sunday. Most shops were closed. Now there are no restrictions. So no, your "prophet" has it totally wrong. 120 years later, Sunday has become fundamentally secular.

So where is the popular demand for Sunday observance? People are increasingly irreligious and the church increasingly irrelevant. And those who are turning to Christ are mostly through protestant, Sunday worshiping churches.

You gave up after 1 page.. maybe you will read the whole book one day and get a good understanding of the points made.

But don't be so quick to say Sunday observance will not happen. I don't set dates but it is happening right now. Moves are being made to legislate a day of rest. Just watch..

 

[Undergrace1]

The law is written on our hearts in a general sense, so people naturally know right and wrong. But specific commandments, like the Sabbath, are revealed by God to His people and must be taught and observed (Exodus 20:8–11 KJV; Ezekiel 20:12 KJV). The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people, and Jesus Himself affirmed it, saying, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law… till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” (Matthew 5:17–18 KJV), and “The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath” (Mark 2:27 KJV). Observing the Sabbath is not about instinct or feeling; it is about obedience to God’s command.

The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath, are binding for all who know them. But God also judges by what is in the heart. Ezekiel explains that each person bears responsibility for their own actions: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die… The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him” (Ezekiel 18:20 KJV). Jesus also taught that judgment considers how people acted toward others and followed God’s truth in their hearts, not only what rules they knew (Matthew 25:31–46 KJV).

So, if someone has never known about the Sabbath but lives righteously according to the light they have, God is just and merciful, and He will judge fairly. Ignorance does not excuse rebellion, but God always weighs knowledge, opportunity, and heart
obedience. Love for God, keeping His moral ways, and acting righteously are what He values, and the Sabbath, when known, is part of the obedience He requires (John 14:15; Matthew 19:17; John 8:51 KJV).

God is perfectly just and sees the heart and knowledge of each person. If someone truly does good—loves God, obeys His moral ways, cares for others—but never knew about the Sabbath, they are not automatically condemned for ignorance. God judges according to the truth that was revealed and what a person could know. He takes into account whether someone had the opportunity to know and obey His commands (Deuteronomy 1:17; 2 Chronicles 19:7 KJV).

Except that is not what Paul states is it

 

[Undergrace1]

But don't be so quick to say Sunday observance will not happen. I don't set dates but it is happening right now. Moves are being made to legislate a day of rest. Just watch..

Do you really not understand where your main threat comes from? It is not from being forced to follow a Sunday Sabbath, more likely a Friday Holy day will be demanded, think on!

 

[Undergrace1]

The law is written on our hearts in a general sense, so people naturally know right and wrong. But specific commandments, like the Sabbath, are revealed by God to His people and must be taught and observed (Exodus 20:8–11 KJV; Ezekiel 20:12 KJV). The Sabbath is a sign between God and His people, and Jesus Himself affirmed it, saying, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law… till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled” (Matthew 5:17–18 KJV), and “The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath” (Mark 2:27 KJV). Observing the Sabbath is not about instinct or feeling; it is about obedience to God’s command.

The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath, are binding for all who know them. But God also judges by what is in the heart. Ezekiel explains that each person bears responsibility for their own actions: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die… The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him” (Ezekiel 18:20 KJV). Jesus also taught that judgment considers how people acted toward others and followed God’s truth in their hearts, not only what rules they knew (Matthew 25:31–46 KJV).

So, if someone has never known about the Sabbath but lives righteously according to the light they have, God is just and merciful, and He will judge fairly. Ignorance does not excuse rebellion, but God always weighs knowledge, opportunity, and heart
obedience. Love for God, keeping His moral ways, and acting righteously are what He values, and the Sabbath, when known, is part of the obedience He requires (John 14:15; Matthew 19:17; John 8:51 KJV).

God is perfectly just and sees the heart and knowledge of each person. If someone truly does good—loves God, obeys His moral ways, cares for others—but never knew about the Sabbath, they are not automatically condemned for ignorance. God judges according to the truth that was revealed and what a person could know. He takes into account whether someone had the opportunity to know and obey His commands (Deuteronomy 1:17; 2 Chronicles 19:7 KJV).

BTW God says:
I WILL write my laws in their minds
I WILL place them on their hearts

You might think God cannot properly keep his promises, we have to help him out by looking to an external law, I do not, if that is what God states, that is what He will do, and in fact is already doing!

 

[vassal]

BTW God says:
I WILL write my laws in their minds
I WILL place them on their hearts

You might think God cannot properly keep his promises, we have to help him out by looking to an external law, I do not, if that is what God states, that is what He will do, and in fact is already doing!

why do you say "you might think god cannot keep properly his promises," not true i have always known God keeps all his promises, please do not speak on my behalf. if you want to know what i think on a topic just ask.

 

[vassal]

According to you, if you want to enter life:
You must never put anything before God in your life
You must never erect any graven image in your mind
You must never dwell on any impure thought
You must never desire anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household
You must never have sexual desire in your thoughts for anyone apart from your spouse
You must obey the law relating to the inner man/thoughts/desires. the law no one but you and God need know you break
Thou shalt NOT no wiggle room for error, perfectly obey that law or stand guilty before it.
I wonder, how many who think like you will enter life

you repeat yourself , you served me this one already.

 

[vassal]

Oh I am making an informed judgement. Paul gave the tenth commandment as an example of why he had to die to the law, you know, the law you keep insisting must be obeyed to enter life. People who think like you do, do not have consciousness much of the time when they are transgressing the TC, I have witnessed it in a church I went to on a Saturday for a while. You say you must obey the TC if you expect to see life, if you believe you do not transgress them, you are seeking to discuss a subject you know little about

you mention this already and I read your post and replied...

 

[Dino246]

God has guided people into the truth about the sabbath and many are so fixed in their tradition that they refuse to change.

You said it perfectly, but you need to repeat it as you look in the mirror.

 

[Undergrace1]

why do you say "you might think god cannot keep properly his promises," not true i have always known God keeps all his promises, please do not speak on my behalf. if you want to know what i think on a topic just ask.

Well God says
I WILL put my laws in their hearts and minds, I dont see how you can believe that going by what you wrote

 

[Undergrace1]

you repeat yourself , you served me this one already.

Yep, and you keep saying only those who obey the TC will get eternal life
The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you Matt7:2

 

[Undergrace1]

you mention this already and I read your post and replied...

And you keep repeating the same things just reciprocating

 

[Gideon300]

You gave up after 1 page.. maybe you will read the whole book one day and get a good understanding of the points made.

But don't be so quick to say Sunday observance will not happen. I don't set dates but it is happening right now. Moves are being made to legislate a day of rest. Just watch..

Moves where? By the way, there should be day of rest. People need a break from work. However, that day is not important. Just after I was saved, I worked 16 hours a day, 3 weeks straight. I was totally exhausted at the end. The military does not observe the sabbath on any day.