THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ETERNAL LIFE ACCORDING TO JESUS

[memberofthebride]

The Pope cannot be the False Prophet because the First Beast hates the Harlot.

The satanic trinity is the devil, the first beast, and the second beast.

The False Prophet is proclaiming that everyone worship the First Beast.

So the False Prophet will also hate the Harlot.

Everyone hates the Harlot including the Devil, the First Beast, the second Beast, and God Himself.

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the Beast and the False Prophet work together bringing the entire world under their religious authority, causing a world wide economic boom which last for 2 1/2 years, until the 6th Seal which ends the Tribulation (5th Seal) and ushers in the DAY of the Lord (7th Seal).

by the end of the final year of the 3 1/2, which is the one year, Day of the LORD, everyone is fighting each other.

The false prophet (the pope) performs miraculous things like fire coming down from the sky to bring the whole earth under the Beast's control.

It is when Christ's wrath begins to destroy the entire earth that the Beast, the False Prophet, the 10 kings and the nations of the world start to turn upon each other.

I have been watching for this for almost 60 years -- it is coming and coming fast right now.
One event that should wake up some -- Gold is now $5000.00 and silver is $100

the Beast and the False prophet come out of Europe and Europe is now in deep trouble which must happen so the Beast can rise.

 

[Inquisitor]

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the Beast and the False Prophet work together bringing the entire world under their religious authority, causing a world wide economic boom which last for 2 1/2 years, until the 6th Seal which ends the Tribulation (5th Seal) and ushers in the DAY of the Lord (7th Seal).

by the end of the final year of the 3 1/2, which is the one year, Day of the LORD, everyone is fighting each other.

The false prophet (the pope) performs miraculous things like fire coming down from the sky to bring the whole earth under the Beast's control.

It is when Christ's wrath begins to destroy the entire earth that the Beast, the False Prophet, the 10 kings and the nations of the world start to turn upon each other.

I have been watching for this for almost 60 years -- it is coming and coming fast right now.
One event that should wake up some -- Gold is now $5000.00 and silver is $100

the Beast and the False prophet come out of Europe and Europe is now in deep trouble which must happen so the Beast can rise.

Incorrect memberofthebride.

The Pope represents the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church is contained in a state called the Vatican.

The Vatican state is located in Rome but not under Italian authority or taxes.

Rome (the Harlot) is described as the city on seven hills in antiquity.

Revelation 17:9
Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the Harlot sits.

The Harlot rides the First Beast but is not the Beast.

Revelation 17:3
And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast,
full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.

See that, I am correct.

The False Prophet does not represent the Catholic Church.

The False Prophet represents the First Beast and directs worship to the First beast.

You have derived your eschatology from the Reformers and they were dead wrong.

 

[memberofthebride]

Incorrect memberofthebride.

The Pope represents the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church is contained in a state called the Vatican.

The Vatican state is located in Rome but not under Italian authority or taxes.

Rome (the Harlot) is described as the city on seven hills in antiquity.

Revelation 17:9
Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the Harlot sits.

The Harlot rides the First Beast but is not the Beast.

Revelation 17:3
And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast,
full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.

See that, I am correct.

The False Prophet does not represent the Catholic Church.

The False Prophet represents the First Beast and directs worship to the First beast.

You have derived your eschatology from the Reformers and they were dead wrong.

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We will find out soon -- which is which

Rome, the Vatican, the pope is the mother of harlots,, I wonder who the harlots are that have come OUT OF the Catholic church??

Who, what churches came out of and still honor her doctrines?

 

[Inquisitor]

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We will find out soon -- which is which

Rome, the Vatican, the pope is the mother of harlots,, I wonder who the harlots are that have come OUT OF the Catholic church??

Who, what churches came out of and still honor her doctrines?

Fairly obvious answer to that question and your church is included.

Any church that claims any part of the law of Moses is BINDING on Christians.

Is a harlot church.

 

[Dino246]

"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."

I have to laugh at the blatant circular reasoning in this. Such “logic” could be used to defend any practice.

 

[memberofthebride]

Fairly obvious answer to that question and your church is included.

Any church that claims any part of the law of Moses is BINDING on Christians.

Is a harlot church.

Christ was tested here on earth and He was sinless, He transgressed zero Torah law and in many scriptures states commandment keeping is a must and stating in very clear words "we are to live by every word of God. sorry I take that to mean every word!

On this site some have written to the effect, "obeying God's Holy righteous and Good law is earning eternal life."
Every time I post scriptures to the contrary I get attacked.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

 

[Dino246]

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We will find out soon -- which is which

Rome, the Vatican, the pope is the mother of harlots,, I wonder who the harlots are that have come OUT OF the Catholic church??

Who, what churches came out of and still honor her doctrines?

By the way, there is no need to write "comment" at the start of all your posts. We know they are your comments by the fact that you're posting them.

 

[Inquisitor]

Christ was tested here on earth and He was sinless, He transgressed zero Torah law and in many scriptures states commandment keeping is a must and stating in very clear words "we are to live by every word of God. sorry I take that to mean every word!

On this site some have written to the effect, "obeying God's Holy righteous and Good law is earning eternal life."
Every time I post scriptures to the contrary I get attacked.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Why do you think is the reason Paul came down so hard on circumcision.

 

[mailmandan]

I studied that part about God sending His Holy Spirit to believers? The Bible says He only sends Him to those who obey. So....that means not everyone has Him and explains why such people don't want or see that obedience to God is part of salvation or the current covenant.

So, how much obedience does it take according to your gospel of works righteousness? The act of obedience that saves is choosing to believe the gospel. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”

 

[Nedsk]

So, how much obedience does it take according to your gospel of works righteousness? The act of obedience that saves is choosing to believe the gospel. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”

More evidence of your unwillingness or inability to even try and listen. You mock from ignorance but insist you're right. Faith without obedience is belief not faith. Satan believes in God. James tells us so. Satan can pretend to be even more pious than you. Is that even possible? The one thing he can't pretend to be however is obedient.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

More evidence of your unwillingness or inability to even try and listen. You mock from ignorance but insist you're right. Faith without obedience is belief not faith. Satan believes in God. James tells us so. Satan can pretend to be even more pious than you. Is that even possible? The one thing he can't pretend to be however is obedient.

If they're not willing to obey God even though He provides the Holy Spirit and writes His laws on our hearts, well who are they really following? They'll find out sooner or later.


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[Nedsk]

If they're not willing to obey God even though He provides the Holy Spirit and writes His laws on our hearts, well who are they really following? They'll find out sooner or later.


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Agreed. In my experience it seems they follow Paul regardless of what God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit says.

 

[mailmandan]

More evidence of your unwillingness or inability to even try and listen. You mock from ignorance but insist you're right. Faith without obedience is belief not faith. Satan believes in God. James tells us so. Satan can pretend to be even more pious than you. Is that even possible? The one thing he can't pretend to be however is obedient.

Enough with your psychological games. Prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I listened to plenty of their arguments. Just before I left the Roman Catholic church, I had temporarily attended the church of Christ and listened to plenty of their arguments as well. I've also been a member of multiple Christian forum sites since around 2010 and have listened to numerous arguments and have been in thousands of discussions. Just because I don't agree with someone that you agree with doesn't mean I'm not listening.

In regard to faith and obedience, faith too often gets conflated with multiple acts of obedience/works which "follow" having been saved through faith by those who teach salvation by faith and works. We are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Now faith does result in obedience yet faith that saves involves belief, trust, reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation and obedience which "follows" is works.

In regard to James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," (James 2:19) but they do not believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved. (Acts 16:31) Their trust and reliance are in Satan (and not in Jesus) as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Agreed. In my experience it seems they follow Paul regardless of what God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit says.

Paul isn't at odds with Lord Jesus. So I'm not against Paul, but....

People should accept EVERYTHING the Bible says, not just the parts they like.

God makes this possible. God’s people have the Holy Spirit who harmonizes what the Bible says and enables them to live it out.

Just wanted to encourage you as you debate on this thread!


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[mailmandan]

If they're not willing to obey God even though He provides the Holy Spirit and writes His laws on our hearts, well who are they really following? They'll find out sooner or later.

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Who are you to judge others as not being willing to obey God? You don't infallibly know the hearts of others. You should be very careful about having a smug attitude.

 

[Aaron56]

Agreed. In my experience it seems they follow Paul regardless of what God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit says.

No, what you are ignoring is the Holy Spirit in Paul. This is anti-Christ.

"By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world."

The flesh that He appears in is our flesh: "To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory."

This is the fulfillment of Jesus's prophesy when He said, "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father"

Jesus, glorified as The Christ upon His resurrection and ascension, spoke through Paul and the other writers of the New Testament. They spoke greater things than what Jesus spoke as a man - revealed mysteries once the Holy Spirit inhabited His people.

Some might argue "Well, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever!" and they would be correct. But He did not reveal everything yesterday, He did not reveal everything today, and He reveals truth to us forever.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Who are you to judge others as not being willing to obey God? You don't infallibly know the hearts of others. You should be very careful about having a smug attitude.

If you don't listen to God, why should I listen to you and your group?


Don't bother telling me. But I know you're going to go on and on to try to vindicate yourself....


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[Nedsk]

Enough with your psychological games. Prior to my conversion several years ago while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I listened to plenty of their arguments. Just before I left the Roman Catholic church, I had temporarily attended the church of Christ and listened to plenty of their arguments as well. I've also been a member of multiple Christian forum sites since around 2010 and have listened to numerous arguments and have been in thousands of discussions. Just because I don't agree with someone that you agree with doesn't mean I'm not listening.

In regard to faith and obedience, faith too often gets conflated with multiple acts of obedience/works which "follow" having been saved through faith by those who teach salvation by faith and works. We are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) Now faith does result in obedience yet faith that saves involves belief, trust, reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation and obedience which "follows" is works.

In regard to James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," (James 2:19) but they do not believe in/on the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved. (Acts 16:31) Their trust and reliance are in Satan (and not in Jesus) as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

All meaningless static. If works alone was sufficient it wouldn't need completion. Now you either understand what sufficient means or you don't. Which is it? Oh look another question that will take three posts to get an answer.

 

[BillyBob]

Agreed. In my experience it seems they follow Paul regardless of what God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit says.

Acts 9:13-15 But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name.” But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel.

I do not see scripture which refers to you as a chosen instrument!

 

[Nedsk]

Paul isn't at odds with Lord Jesus. So I'm not against Paul, but....

People should accept EVERYTHING the Bible says, not just the parts they like.

God makes this possible. God’s people have the Holy Spirit who harmonizes what the Bible says and enables them to live it out.

Just wanted to encourage you as you debate on this thread!


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I know Paul is not in conflict with Jesus but I often quote Jesus from Scripture and inevitably someone will come back with a passage from Paul trying to explain why Jesus didn't mean what the words he used mean.