THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ETERNAL LIFE ACCORDING TO JESUS

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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
We're not talking about laws written on stone, we're talking about the laws God Himself has written in our HEARTS. They don't kill. All you're doing is trying to encourage me not to obey God. You'll have to answer to God for that as well.


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More bearing of false witness, so you dont really care about obout obeying the tc the evidence is irrefutable"
Dont you have written on your heart not to steal, covet, lie, take the Lord's name in vain, murder, commit adultery
 
Inquisitor said:
You do not understand the gospel.

Colossians 1:21-23
And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has
now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and
blameless and beyond reproach if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast,
and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all
creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

You can only be holy and blameless if you continue in the faith, Jesus makes you holy.

The foundation is Jesus Christ crucified and not your obedience.
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Comment;

The "foundation" Christ gave us is "Obedience" to the WILL OF THE FATHER! Christ obeyed to perfection, not one sin.

50 For whosoever shall "do" the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

We are to follow that-- ONE Path -- shown us by Christ, we are expected to DO the will of the Father which Christ obeyed perfectly to show us how.

And what path did Christ follow and teach and instruct His disciples to DO? I do not need to explain this.

Christ Obeyed His Father's "will" which led to His death. Christ proved His obedience's by His actions !
And we are just to believe??? we do not have to obey?

How can the Father trust a person unless that person is willing to obeys the Father's will even when it hurts?

the Father is going to give an untested person eternal life without first knowing if that person will obey even if it means that person will suffer and maybe die?

If you are a boss, are you going to give an untested person control over something important, only if you are stupid.

God is not stupid! Every person ever born will learn to obey the Will of the Father or they will not be in the Kingdom.
 
Requirements for Eternal Life

Those here who see their need for the work of Christ, are exactly the type of people that Christ came to save.
They are the humble ones, who know that they fail, repent when the do, and have placed their trust in the finished work of Christ.

Then there are those who believe that they now live a sinless life. . . . .! Yes indeed! They know they law and keep it perfectly.
 
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Undergrace1 said:
More bearing of false witness, so you dont really care about obout obeying the tc the evidence is irrefutable"
Dont you have written on your heart not to steal, covet, lie, take the Lord's name in vain, murder, commit adultery
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I'll just start pointing to scripture so God can tell you Himself.

Galatians 5:16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.


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vassal said:
THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ETERNAL LIFE ACCORDING TO JESUS
(All verses are from the ASV.)​

Jesus never left people unsure about eternal life. When someone asked Him how to enter the Kingdom, His answer always pointed to the same truths: trust in Him, keeping God’s commandments, doing the Father’s will, following His voice, and staying united with Him.

One of the clearest moments is when the rich young ruler came with a sincere question. The Scripture says, “And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him… if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:16–19). Jesus then listed the commandments to show exactly what He meant. Eternal life is connected to obeying God.

Jesus also said that calling Him Lord is not enough. Eternal life belongs to those who do the Father’s will. “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). This makes obedience to God’s will part of the path to life.

Jesus also linked eternal life with keeping His word. “Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my word, he shall never see death” (John 8:51). Keeping His word means trusting Him, obeying Him, and letting His teaching guide our daily steps.

He also taught that we must abide in Him. “Abide in me, and I in you… for apart from me ye can do nothing” (John 15:4–5). To abide in Him is to stay close to Him, listen to His voice, and walk in His teaching. Jesus explained how this abiding works: “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love” (John 15:10). Obedience is not a burden. It is the way we remain in His love.

Jesus also spoke of following Him, because He is the only way that leads to the Father. “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life” (John 10:27–28). Eternal life is promised to those who hear His voice and follow His steps.

He also spoke of the final judgment, showing that our choices matter. “They that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment” (John 5:28–29). Here Jesus shows that eternal life is tied to a life shaped by obedience, faith, and goodness.

Together, these teachings show that eternal life is given to those who believe in Jesus, follow Him, keep the commandments, abide in His love, walk in the Father’s will, and live a life of doing good. His words form one simple, clear path.

Isaiah 60:1-12
Arise, shine;For your light has come!And the glory of the Lord is risen upon you.
2 For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth,And deep darkness the people;But the Lord will arise over you,And His glory will be seen upon you.
3 The Gentiles shall come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising.

4 “Lift up your eyes all around, and see: They all gather together, they come to you;
Your sons shall come from afar,And your daughters shall be nursed at your side.
5 Then you shall see and become radiant,And your heart shall swell with joy;
Because the abundance of the sea shall be turned to you,The wealth of the Gentiles shall come to you.
6 The multitude of camels shall cover your land,The dromedaries of Midian and Ephah;
All those from Sheba shall come; They shall bring gold and incense,
And they shall proclaim the praises of the Lord.
7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together to you, The rams of Nebaioth shall minister to you;
They shall ascend with acceptance on My altar, And I will glorify the house of My glory.

8 “Who are these who fly like a cloud, And like doves to their roosts?
9 Surely the coastlands shall wait for Me; And the ships of Tarshish will come first,
To bring your sons from afar, Their silver and their gold with them,To the name of the Lord your God,
And to the Holy One of Israel, Because He has glorified you.

10 “The sons of foreigners shall build up your walls,And their kings shall minister to you;
For in My wrath I struck you, But in My favor I have had mercy on you.
11 Therefore your gates shall be open continually; They shall not be shut day or night,
That men may bring to you the wealth of the Gentiles, And their kings in procession.
12 For the nation and kingdom which will not serve you shall perish, And those nations shall be utterly ruined.

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All of HIS word is good, and we need to obey it ALL.

What do you think of the first ones who happen to be those who was responsible for putting JESUS on the cross how they receive eternal life?

Acts 2:37-41
King James Version
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
 
Dino246 said:
Jesus gives an interesting answer to this question:

John 6:24 Once the crowd realized that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they got into the boats and went to Capernaum in search of Jesus.

25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

No "commandments", no "law", no "statutes"; just believe. This was said to Jews, not even to Gentiles.

The problem with the arguments of the Judaizers is that they take Jesus' words about commandments out of context and ignore other words of His. Context, as usual, is the Achilles' heel for cultists and heretics.
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You error in this way:

You are taking verse 29 and insisting that it be viewed as a all-encompassing clause.

This is simply a false assertion.

This is the problem with Faith Alone Regeneration Theology, they take very general statements and attempt to shoehorn a definitive such as "alone" into the verse. This is poor hermeneutics. I offer the following from Daniel Akin's 10 rules of hermeneutics.


5) The biblical author’s intended meaning in every biblical text is always discovered within its own unique grammatical content.

Eisegesis is one of the results of poor exegesis. Eisegesis is the practice of reading one’s presuppositions and opinions into a biblical text, rather than allowing the text to reveal its own meaning. Interpreters may fall into this trap for a number of reasons. First, they may lack training. Second, some interpreters may have been exposed to a steady diet of topical preaching. This type of preaching often allows personal preference to drive sermon development at the expense of the meaning of a biblical text. Third, some interpreters may be driven more by personal ideology than biblical theology. These interpreters may use individual verses or parts of verses to support their pet positions, despite a lack of biblical support. This type of interpretation, and the preaching it produces, is damaging both to the scriptures and the Church. We, on the other hand, want to be interpreters who are committed to “correctly teaching the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15).” We are committed to allowing the text to reveal the author’s intended meaning by applying the principles of hermeneutics to the process of exegesis. For this to happen, we must be committed to understanding both the content and the context (near and far) of every biblical text. When we think about the grammatical content of a passage, we are focusing our attention upon the literary elements that the author chose to frame his discussion. These elements include the author’s choice of specific words and the way he combined them into sentences and paragraphs, as well as the literary genre he selected (i.e., prose, poetry, historical narrative, wisdom, epistle, apocalyptic). When we consider this, we can see the dangers of lifting individual clauses or verses out of their specific literary and grammatical construction-it almost insures that the interpreter will misunderstand the content of the passage.
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Again, there is nothing in the verbiage of verse 29 that can be used to negate any command regarding the need to obey something other than "belief".
 
TrustandObey said:
You error in this way:

You are taking verse 29 and insisting that it be viewed as a all-encompassing clause.

This is simply a false assertion.

This is the problem with Faith Alone Regeneration Theology, they take very general statements and attempt to shoehorn a definitive such as "alone" into the verse. This is poor hermeneutics. I offer the following from Daniel Akin's 10 rules of hermeneutics.


5) The biblical author’s intended meaning in every biblical text is always discovered within its own unique grammatical content.

Eisegesis is one of the results of poor exegesis. Eisegesis is the practice of reading one’s presuppositions and opinions into a biblical text, rather than allowing the text to reveal its own meaning. Interpreters may fall into this trap for a number of reasons. First, they may lack training. Second, some interpreters may have been exposed to a steady diet of topical preaching. This type of preaching often allows personal preference to drive sermon development at the expense of the meaning of a biblical text. Third, some interpreters may be driven more by personal ideology than biblical theology. These interpreters may use individual verses or parts of verses to support their pet positions, despite a lack of biblical support. This type of interpretation, and the preaching it produces, is damaging both to the scriptures and the Church. We, on the other hand, want to be interpreters who are committed to “correctly teaching the word of truth (2 Tim 2:15).” We are committed to allowing the text to reveal the author’s intended meaning by applying the principles of hermeneutics to the process of exegesis. For this to happen, we must be committed to understanding both the content and the context (near and far) of every biblical text. When we think about the grammatical content of a passage, we are focusing our attention upon the literary elements that the author chose to frame his discussion. These elements include the author’s choice of specific words and the way he combined them into sentences and paragraphs, as well as the literary genre he selected (i.e., prose, poetry, historical narrative, wisdom, epistle, apocalyptic). When we consider this, we can see the dangers of lifting individual clauses or verses out of their specific literary and grammatical construction-it almost insures that the interpreter will misunderstand the content of the passage.
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Again, there is nothing in the verbiage of verse 29 that can be used to negate any command regarding the need to obey something other than "belief".
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So you jujitsu of Authorial intent and proper exegesis did not account for the Foundational truth on which all scripture is built on. That person Being Christ. Faith and Belief are working together simultaneously. Faith the Noun and belief the verb. In Christ, By Christ and through Christ. The debate of faith alone without the action of belief is void. We are saved by Grace through faith not of works that man can boast about doing for salvation. The Lord Jesus Christ did it all. it was and is His work that saves and we receive through faith.
 
mailmandan said:
The Truth about the Seventh-day Adventist Church | nonsda.org
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Thanks, but I'm really not interested in them.

I do agree that God would want us to still obey Him. He has written the ten commandments in our hearts and made it easier to carry them out by the Holy Spirit. I really have no problem with that.

But I don't know why they have restricted dietary rules when the Bible is very clear that God allows us to eat food that was once seen as unclean.

They also think just because God hadn't said anything about changing the day of the Sabbath, that we still have to have it on Saturday.

Aĺl that are shadows of Jesus and His sacrifice on the cross.

I had wondered why God hasn't punished us for keeping the Sabbath on Sundays and now I know why. Saturday Sabbath is a shadow of Jesus. That command that it be on Saturday was just for the Jews. God still wants us to honor Sabbath - a day to spend time in rest with God, but ANY day can be made a Sabbath because Jesus Himself is our Sabbath rest. That's why God hasn't punished us at all for choosing Sunday (the day He rose) as Sabbarh.

This is all clear in the Bible. If they ignore that in the Bible, are they really listening to the Lord?


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Thanks, but I'm really not interested in them.

I do agree that God would want us to still obey Him. He has written the ten commandments in our hearts and made it easier to carry them out by the Holy Spirit. I really have no problem with that.

But I don't know why they have restricted dietary rules when the Bible is very clear that God allows us to eat food that was once seen as unclean.

They also think just because God hadn't said anything about changing the day of the Sabbath, that we still have to have it on Saturday.

Aĺl that are shadows of Jesus and His sacrifice on the cross.

I had wondered why God hasn't punished us for keeping the Sabbath on Sundays and now I know why. Saturday Sabbath is a shadow of Jesus. That command that it be on Saturday was just for the Jews. God still wants us to honor Sabbath - a day to spend time in rest with God, but ANY day can be made a Sabbath because Jesus Himself is our Sabbath rest. That's why God hasn't punished us at all for choosing Sunday (the day He rose) as Sabbarh.

This is all clear in the Bible. If they ignore that in the Bible, are they really listening to the Lord?

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One of the most disturbing doctrines that SDA's teach is that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. :eek:

https://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml
 
2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Thanks, but I'm really not interested in them.

I do agree that God would want us to still obey Him. He has written the ten commandments in our hearts and made it easier to carry them out by the Holy Spirit. I really have no problem with that.

But I don't know why they have restricted dietary rules when the Bible is very clear that God allows us to eat food that was once seen as unclean.

They also think just because God hadn't said anything about changing the day of the Sabbath, that we still have to have it on Saturday.

Aĺl that are shadows of Jesus and His sacrifice on the cross.

I had wondered why God hasn't punished us for keeping the Sabbath on Sundays and now I know why. Saturday Sabbath is a shadow of Jesus. That command that it be on Saturday was just for the Jews. God still wants us to honor Sabbath - a day to spend time in rest with God, but ANY day can be made a Sabbath because Jesus Himself is our Sabbath rest. That's wht God hasn't punished us at all for choosing Sunday (the day He rose) as Sabbarh.

This is all clear in the Bible. If they ignore that in the Bible, are they really listening to the Lord?


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that is a great question. " I don't know why they have restricted dietary rules when the Bible is very clear that God allows us to eat food that was once seen as unclean."

it is my understanding the Pharisees used Ceremonial and Civil laws to control the people as Jesus rebuked them in Matthew 23. The Moral Law Jesus never removed or changed HE raised the Standard

Jesu said it has been said and it is written in old
"But I say unto" as we read in Matthew chapter 5

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

The standard raised :

21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, (prophets/law) ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.


27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Yet Jesus did not hold his disciples' feet to the fire per say when the Pharisees pointed to Jesus the disciples doing what was unlawful to do on the Sabbath like picking kernels of corn or wheat.

The misuse of the "law' today is still done for the same reason to control people. Yet is it not odd those who do so many times fail to do what they want others to do but try to make all think they do? Jesus saw right through this and spoke on it very clearly in Matthews chapter 23.
 
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CS1 said:
The misuse of the "law' today is still done for the same reason to control people. Yet is it not odd those who do so many times fail to do what they want others to do but try to make all think they do? Jesus saw right through this and spoke on it very clearly in Matthews chapter 23.
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Indeed, well put
 
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