The Ten Commandments are the Covenant, did you know?

[TMS]

In the same way, Christians are dead to the Mosaic law, and it has no further influence on them. Does that mean the Law is dead? No.

So the law is not dead.. but you don't believe we should obey it.

I forgot. You refuse to distinguish between the laws.

Why is the law there if it has no purpose.


Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

There is no difference between the laws of Christ and the 10 commandments

If we are judged by them we will all be found guilty

Standing before the throne of God we all need the same salvation..

People refuse to acknowledge the 10 because of they do not want to acknowledge the sabbath.

The only law they want to forget, Is the only law God said to remember.

 

[TMS]

Im a bit confused by what you wrote, on the one hand you say the law cannot hold us guilty because of the death of Jesus, on the other hand you say it is death to us when we transgress it.

Let me reword it...

When we transgress the law we are sinning.. at this point you are guilty of sin and death..

Hopefully your heart is soft enough to repent and turn from the sin.
Jesus is able to forgive us and will if we are sorry.
When Jesus forgives us of the sin we are no longer guilty of sin. He took the death on Himself.

By the blood of Christ we are forgiven of sin (the transgression of the law),
Without the blood of Jesus we are guilty of sin.

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[Undergrace1]

At the end of the day... we are all guilty

But we can repent and aim to not sin.
Or we can change the law.

Righteousness is by faith not by keeping the law. We only need to sin once and we are worthy of eternal death.

Answer this question please.

Does God solve the sin problem by removing the Law or by paying the price of sin for us?

Well if you've read my other posts that's been answered
The power of sin is the law/righteousness of obeying the law 1Cor15:56
So the power of sin is removed and solved by Jesus paying the price of our sin.
However, regretfully we will always commit sin, but not under condemnation

 

[Undergrace1]

Your really confusing me..
The law is not what brings death
Sin is what brings death..

God is the JUDGE not the law.
GOD WILL JUDGE us as saved or as not not saved.

The law is holy Just and good.

Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

The LAW is not death or bring death it reveals sin and sin brings death..

Should we AIM to obey and estabish the law. Or Not. ?

Should we aim to keep all 10 commandments?

Sin takes occasion of what is holy, just and good/law to arouse all manner of sin in us if we live under the law. You have to accept that, if you want to understand Paul's core message. Hence: The power of sin is the law. But we all commit sin, do not forget, sin is written about in two different ways in the bible
The law will bring death, if you live under righteousness of obeying it, for you will always stand guilty before the law
Should we aim and obey to establish the law or not?
You do not look to the law to se it better reflected in your life, you have been released from that, you look to Jesus and trust him to change you by the power of the Spirit. Remember, God has ensured you want to obey by putting applicable law in your heart
Should we aim to keep all the TC?
Lets put it this way, I have had much consciousness of sin in my life, and I do not have to look to a written law to be convicted of it for the law is within me. But I have never had consciousness of sin at failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath

 

[Undergrace1]

When Jesus said “If you keep My commandments… even as I have kept My Father’s commandments” in John 15:10, He showed that the commandments He teaches are the Father’s commandments, not something separate. Jesus said His words come from the Father, and He repeated the Ten Commandments openly, then lifted them deeper into the heart. He taught that anger breaks the command against murder, and lust breaks the command against adultery. This shows that His commandments include the Ten Commandments and the spirit behind them. Jesus never said obedience is impossible. He said His sheep follow Him, that those who love Him keep His commandments, and that His yoke is easy. He told people to “sin no more,” which means He would not command something impossible.
The claim that “nobody can keep the inner commandments” does not come from Jesus. John’s words “if we say we have no sin” mean we have all sinned and need forgiveness, not that we must continue sinning. John also wrote that he teaches us “so that you may not sin,” and that those who keep God’s word and stay in Christ stop living in sin. James also said we must be doers of the word and continue in the perfect law. Jesus, John, and James all teach that real obedience, including the heart, is possible with God’s help. So the idea that Jesus was not talking about the Ten Commandments, or that inner obedience is impossible, is not supported by Scripture.

So you live a holier life than the apostle John? He admitted he was not without sin. I will take it, you believe if a person does not obey Jesus commands in the gospels they commit sin, and you think it is possible to fully obey
Well done for not inviting friends and family home for a meal, but rather the poor, blind, lame and beggars
Well done for being prepared to lend to people without ever expecting anything back
Well done for leaping for joy if you are persecuted
Well done for offering someone who steals from you more than what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them
That is what you claim-right? You're not just making ''pat statements?

 

[TMS]

However, regretfully we will always commit sin, but not under condemnation

We cannot overcome sin through human effort alone; our strength comes exclusively through a living connection with Jesus.

Do you believe Christ’s Victory is Ours? Jesus faced every temptation we face and emerged triumphant. He encourages us by saying, "In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world" John 16:33.
Because Jesus holds all authority, He can impart that strength to us. "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth" Matthew 28:18.
While we must put forth earnest effort, it is God working within us that brings the result. "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing" John 15:5.

Overcoming is an individual work that requires faith, the subduing of self, and the sanctification of the heart.
Our belief in Christ's power is the instrument of our success. "For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith" 1John 5:4.

The hardest battle we will ever fight is the conquest of our own carnal nature. We must be able to say with Paul, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me" Galatians 2:20.
To stop the pattern of sin, our very thoughts must be transformed. "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind" Romans 12:2. Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

God promises that no temptation is too strong to be defeated if we rely on Him. "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able" 1Corinthians 10:13.

Never discourage yourself by saying "I cannot." In the strength of the Captain of our salvation, who "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" Hebrews 4:15, you can master every circumstance and overcome every bias to evil

 

[Undergrace1]

We cannot overcome sin through human effort alone; our strength comes exclusively through a living connection with Jesus.

Do you believe Christ’s Victory is Ours? Jesus faced every temptation we face and emerged triumphant. He encourages us by saying, "In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world" John 16:33.
Because Jesus holds all authority, He can impart that strength to us. "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth" Matthew 28:18.
While we must put forth earnest effort, it is God working within us that brings the result. "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing" John 15:5.

Overcoming is an individual work that requires faith, the subduing of self, and the sanctification of the heart.
Our belief in Christ's power is the instrument of our success. "For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith" 1John 5:4.

The hardest battle we will ever fight is the conquest of our own carnal nature. We must be able to say with Paul, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me" Galatians 2:20.
To stop the pattern of sin, our very thoughts must be transformed. "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind" Romans 12:2. Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

God promises that no temptation is too strong to be defeated if we rely on Him. "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able" 1Corinthians 10:13.

Never discourage yourself by saying "I cannot." In the strength of the Captain of our salvation, who "was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin" Hebrews 4:15, you can master every circumstance and overcome every bias to evil

I was raised in a church, where the random letter was inflexibly quoted, and, it was inferred could be perfectly followed/obeyed. Everything was the literal letter. Andpeople made ''pat statements'' they could not live up to in their own lives. Alas, at the time, I was too trusting an individual, I believed the people making these pat statements, and using the bible to do it, themselves lived up to what they preached. It had a very bad effect on me, I believed unless I performed perfect I would be cast into hell.
I suppose if we all were robots and had a microchip inserted in us we could perfectly follow the manual, regretfully we are humans in a body of flesh, and will make mistakes.
I will repeat once more, a good yardstick, is can you perfectly obey law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break? If you cannot, you will always commit sin,
Though we can and should grow in holiness as we continue in our walk

 

[TMS]

Should we aim to keep all the TC?
Lets put it this way, I have had much consciousness of sin in my life, and I do not have to look to a written law to be convicted of it for the law is within me. But I have never had consciousness of sin at failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath

Well what is the conviction???

Is it a feeling,

The Buddhists are convicted about things I never think about, the Muslims are convicted about things that I'm not convicted about.. one church is convicted about different doctrines to another church.. what is the right conviction????

Should you trust your conviction as truth?
Should the flat earthers trust their convictions too?
Should the suicide bombers that kill innocent people trust that their conviction is the truth??

The only sure way to know what is right.

Is the sure word of God.

God's word said the sabbath is made holy and never said it has been removed.

That is truth.

 

[Undergrace1]

Well what is the conviction???

Is it a feeling,

The Buddhists are convicted about things I never think about, the Muslims are convicted about things that I'm not convicted about.. one church is convicted about different doctrines to another church.. what is the right conviction????

Should you trust your conviction as truth?
Should the flat earthers trust their convictions too?
Should the suicide bombers that kill innocent people trust that their conviction is the truth??

The only sure way to know what is right.

Is the sure word of God.

God's word said the sabbath is made holy and never said it has been removed.

That is truth.

Paul tells us if gentiles had never known of biblical law they can show the requirements(not some of the requirements) of the law are written in their hearts, obviously by the way they act. I wonder how many, without knowing of biblical law would set aside a specific seventh day sabbath?
Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
Two core scriptural tenets, of which I am sure you heartily agree.
Under the new covenant, it is an internal law, written in the mind and placed on the heart of the believer. And you cannot hide from that law, what is in your mind you in your mind must know, the law in your heart MUST bring heartfelt consciousness of sin if you wilfully lets say transgress it, nothing else is possible, according to core tenets of scripture I am sure you avidly agree with.
Therefore, if a person has no consciousness of sin at failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath, only two things are possible. Either that law as written has not been placed in a believers heart and mind, or no one can be a christian unless they have heartfelt consciousness of sin at failing to observe a set saturday sabbath.
Interestingly, I went to a church on a saturday for a while to please a friend, the denomination accepted people as christians who had no consciousness of sin at failing to observe a set saturday sabbath. Obviously, they did not understand the outworking of the core foundation upon which the new covenant stands

 

[TMS]

I will repeat once more, a good yardstick, is can you perfectly obey law relating to the inner man, the law only you and God need know you break? If you cannot, you will always commit sin,
Though we can and should grow in holiness as we continue in our walk

From my experience, we can. Yes we can obey.

My righteousness is as filthy rages. And the closer I come to Christ the more I realize how filthy I am.

But the victory is won by saying...
Not my will, but thine, be done.

Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

We may fail but we should always aim and believe we can overcome through Christ.

If we aim low that is all we will achieve.

Christ has overcome all and is able to IMPART that victory to us.

We should not boast or say I'm perfect because we are continually in this battle and we need to realize how vulnerable we are without the Spirit of Christ.. no boasting..

It is not a sin to look at something nice and admire it. The Devil will put Evil thoughts in your mind but they are not sinful if you crucify the flesh, and not think about. Say straight away... not my will, but your will be done.

 

[Undergrace1]

From my experience, we can. Yes we can obey.

My righteousness is as filthy rages. And the closer I come to Christ the more I realize how filthy I am.

But the victory is won by saying...
Not my will, but thine, be done.

Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

We may fail but we should always aim and believe we can overcome through Christ.

If we aim low that is all we will achieve.

Christ has overcome all and is able to IMPART that victory to us.

We should not boast or say I'm perfect because we are continually in this battle and we need to realize how vulnerable we are without the Spirit of Christ.. no boasting..

It is not a sin to look at something nice and admire it. The Devil will put Evil thoughts in your mind but they are not sinful if you crucify the flesh, and not think about. Say straight away... not my will, but your will be done.

I hope you understand sin is written about two ways in the bible. John himself admitted he was not without sin. But he also said no one born of God continues to sin
Paul did not believe anyone could or would perfectly obey what he terms the letter that kills, but at the same time he said if you are a slave to sin it leads to death

 

[Luke1710]

The Decalogue is the Old Covenant, how could a regenerated believer not know this?

 

[TMS]

The doctrine of the Nicolaitans in the Book of Revelation, Rev 2:6.

It was a heretical early Christian teaching promoting moral compromise.
They taught that believers were free from God's moral law due to grace, justifying sinful behavior.

Their message of grace as a license for sin and compromise with the world remains a persistent challenge for the Christian church.

1. It legalism to keep the laws
2. Don't worry about the moral laws
3. Focus on the grace of Jesus
4. Because Jesus obeyed the law we don't need to.
5. The law is dead and it kills but grace saves us.
6. Grace and the law can not coexist..

These types of teachings in the churches have removed the moral law and lowered the moral standard in the world.

Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Their evil deeds are a direct result of their belief that the moral law is not important because of the grace of Jesus..

 

[vassal]

Well if you've read my other posts that's been answered
The power of sin is the law/righteousness of obeying the law 1Cor15:56
So the power of sin is removed and solved by Jesus paying the price of our sin.
However, regretfully we will always commit sin, but not under condemnation

if you continually sin knowing you still do and should not, and continue to do so thinking you are clean, not so!

When Jesus started his ministry he proclaimed "Repent, the Kingdom of heaven is at hand" very often Jesus said also aster healing people "Go and Sin no more"

do you think people are allowed to sin in heaven in the presence of God? You know the answer to that one, I don't have to explain further.

If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (mat 19:17)

 

[vassal]

So you live a holier life than the apostle John? He admitted he was not without sin. I will take it, you believe if a person does not obey Jesus commands in the gospels they commit sin, and you think it is possible to fully obey
Well done for not inviting friends and family home for a meal, but rather the poor, blind, lame and beggars
Well done for being prepared to lend to people without ever expecting anything back
Well done for leaping for joy if you are persecuted
Well done for offering someone who steals from you more than what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them
That is what you claim-right? You're not just making ''pat statements?

Stop deflecting! this is not about me or what you imagine i do or don't do according to you, its doing God's will for us gentiles it is fo follow Jesus and do as he asked, its simple really.

 

[vassal]

The Decalogue is the Old Covenant, how could a regenerated believer not know this?

decalogue=ten commandments

Why did jesus speak of it, was teaching it, gave us the example how to follow properly from the heart it and told is to keep it?
I expact an answer.

 

[Dino246]

So the law is not dead.. but you don't believe we should obey it.

You really don’t get it.

I forgot. You refuse to distinguish between the laws.

Because Scripture doesn’t.

 

[vassal]

You really don’t get it.


Because Scripture doesn’t.

He gets it perfectly well, consider that is is you who follow Paul and do not understand what he said. Peter did say he is difficult to understand, you should consider this FACT and revise your position, time is short.

And yes scripture clearly show a difference between the 10 commandments and the rest of the law of Moses and also WHY, you just refuse to see it, if you read the many posts i put on explaining the differences you would know this well already.

 

[Undergrace1]

if you continually sin knowing you still do and should not, and continue to do so thinking you are clean, not so!

When Jesus started his ministry he proclaimed "Repent, the Kingdom of heaven is at hand" very often Jesus said also aster healing people "Go and Sin no more"

do you think people are allowed to sin in heaven in the presence of God? You know the answer to that one, I don't have to explain further.

If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (mat 19:17)

Simple question. Do you fully obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but you and God need know you break? your thoughts!! Transgress that you transgress the TC

 

[Undergrace1]

Stop deflecting! this is not about me or what you imagine i do or don't do according to you, its doing God's will for us gentiles it is fo follow Jesus and do as he asked, its simple really.

Yes, Jesus gave a list of commandments in the NT. How many people do you know who even try to obey them all? Ive never met any.
Just pointing out you can make all the pat statements you like, but they are no ones reality, including yours!