Salvation Is In No Other Name

[Pilgrimshope]

1 Peter 3:19-21

Yes peter explains how they in Noah’s time being saved by water ….were a figure of how baptism saves through Christ Jesus resurrection that what you’re referring to ?

“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yes that goes together great with everything paul taught about baptism as well how Christs death and resurrection are what give baptism it’s meaning and power that’s a good set of verses

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-5‬ ‭KJV‬

“And ye are complete in him, ( Jesus ) which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his death and resurrection are what gives baptism relevance and power but again o easnt wanting to argue about baptism was agreeing about his name

 

[Solitude]

What we have here, is a misinterpretation of what they said about getting baptized. A common misunderstanding that is going around. Kind of like the scripture, when God said not to make any graven image of anything. They misunderstood the part when he said, '...and bow down to it.' This caused the destruction of lots of artwork, and medical documents throughout the world. Like wise, the preaching that you must put your head under water to be saved, has made masses of people turn away from God. Think about it for a minute, why would this be a requirement to be forgiven?

"Please help me to understand lord." .... "I still don't get it."

John 3:5
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[Brasspen]

It's hard to believe that those who didn't have time to get baptized, are dead now. Such as young babies. But then again, we know that God is not bound by any law. He judges according to the heart.

A problem we have observed throughout the last 2026 years, is people trying to obey God's word and commandments, like it's a strict program.

 

[FlyingDove]

Jehovah means physical salvation and physical blessings.

Jesus means spiritual salvation and spiritual blessings.

Jesus is the name above all names not only in this world but in the world to come.

Jesus is above the name Jehovah but includes it.

Jesus is the only name under heaven given for salvation.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not names but titles and the name is singular which is Jesus.

The Bible says everything we do in word and deed do all in the name of Jesus.

So why would we baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Jesus said the words He speaks are the Father's words.

The Father spoke to the Jews and revealed His new name Jesus.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Jesus came in His Father's name.

Jesus is the name of the Father.

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The Son inherited the name from the Father.

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

The Father and Son will share the same name.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Jews baptized in the name of Jesus.

Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Samaritans baptized in the name of Jesus.

Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Gentiles baptized in the name of Jesus.

I'm not debating whether baptism is commanded - Jesus & Peter both command water baptism as an act of obedience, identification & discipleship. That's not the issue.

The issue is much narrower & much more important:

Do Jesus or Peter ever teach that water is the saving agent?

When Jesus speaks of salvation, He attributes it to:
Believing in Him (Jn 3:16), believing in His name (Jn 3:18), coming to Him (Jn 6:35), hearing His word & believing the Father (Jn 5:24), the Son giving eternal life (Jn 10:28). Jesus never says water removes sin, regenerates, or saves.

When Peter speaks of salvation, he attributes it to:
The NAME (Acts 4:12), faith in His name (Acts 3:16), believing in Him (Acts 10:43), the Holy Spirit falling on believers before water (Acts 10:44–48), the resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Pet 3:21)

And in the very passage often misused:
1 Peter 3:21, Peter explicitly says NOT the removal of dirt (the water), BUT the appeal to God through the resurrection.

So yes, Jesus commands baptism. Yes, Peter commands baptism.

But neither Jesus nor Peter ever say:
Water saves, water removes sin, water regenerates, water applies the blood, water seals salvation.

They consistently point to:
The NAME as the saving agent, the BLOOD as the sin‑removing agent, the HOLY SPIRIT as the sealing agent. Water is the obedience response, not the saving cause.

So the question remains:
Where do Jesus or Peter ever teach that water > not the NAME, not the BLOOD, not the HOLY SPIRIT > is the saving agent?

That is the issue this thread is addressing.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

John 3:5
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

“And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: and there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

before a son is born the water is broken from the womb and then the new born son emerges.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I'm not debating whether baptism is commanded - Jesus & Peter both command water baptism as an act of obedience, identification & discipleship. That's not the issue.

The issue is much narrower & much more important:

Do Jesus or Peter ever teach that water is the saving agent?

When Jesus speaks of salvation, He attributes it to:
Believing in Him (Jn 3:16), believing in His name (Jn 3:18), coming to Him (Jn 6:35), hearing His word & believing the Father (Jn 5:24), the Son giving eternal life (Jn 10:28). Jesus never says water removes sin, regenerates, or saves.

When Peter speaks of salvation, he attributes it to:
The NAME (Acts 4:12), faith in His name (Acts 3:16), believing in Him (Acts 10:43), the Holy Spirit falling on believers before water (Acts 10:44–48), the resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Pet 3:21)

And in the very passage often misused:
1 Peter 3:21, Peter explicitly says NOT the removal of dirt (the water), BUT the appeal to God through the resurrection.

So yes, Jesus commands baptism. Yes, Peter commands baptism.

But neither Jesus nor Peter ever say:
Water saves, water removes sin, water regenerates, water applies the blood, water seals salvation.

They consistently point to:
The NAME as the saving agent, the BLOOD as the sin‑removing agent, the HOLY SPIRIT as the sealing agent. Water is the obedience response, not the saving cause.

So the question remains:
Where do Jesus or Peter ever teach that water > not the NAME, not the BLOOD, not the HOLY SPIRIT > is the saving agent?

That is the issue this thread is addressing.

“Jesus & Peter both command water baptism as an act of obedience, identification & discipleship. That's not the issue.”

paul also teaches the doctrine surrounding it which gives it meaning through Jesus death burial and resurrection. Try Roman’s 6 Colossians 2 and Galatians 3

i don’t think anyone’s said water saves apart from the belief in Jesus which is why we would opt to be baptized for remission of sins in his name, who died for our sins because we believe

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It's hard to believe that those who didn't have time to get baptized, are dead now. Such as young babies. But then again, we know that God is not bound by any law. He judges according to the heart.

A problem we have observed throughout the last 2026 years, is people trying to obey God's word and commandments, like it's a strict program.

Yeah but probably moreso people explaining why we dont really need to do what god said because we believe .

 

[FlyingDove]

It's remarkable how many Christians place a water baptism ritual in the position of 1st importance. As if it were the cause of salvation.

Scripture proclaims: "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22). Under the covenant of circumcision, millions of sacrifices were offered.

For millennia, God required innocent blood to atone for sin. Scripture declares that all have sinned (Rom 3:23) & that the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23).

A sinless Savior (2 Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1 Jn 3:5, 1 Pet 1:19, 1 Pet 2:22) willingly gave Himself (Matt 26:53).

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

What the Lord Jesus suffered on Calvary is beyond imagination & His resurrection is the Father's public declaration that Christ’s sin‑atoning sacrifice was accepted

Sadly, I see many diminishing what He endured by elevating a water ritual performed by man above His loving, blood‑bought gift to humanity.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

JESUS: PREEMINENT IN ALL THINGS!

Creation: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6

"""""Redemption: Gal 3:13, Rev 5:9, Col 1:14, Rom3:24"""""

Resurrection: Jn 11:25, Acts 4:33, 1Pet 1:3 & 3:21

Mediation: 1 Tim 2:5, Heb 8:6, 9:15, 12:24

Judgment: Jn 5:22, Rom 2:16, 2 Tim 4:1

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
(NOTE: John the Baptist clearly distinguished his water baptism from Christ's baptism with the Holy Spirit.)

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized “Spirit” to indicate the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit.)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: Old‑covenant circumcision was physical, done with human hands. Spirit baptism is a spiritual circumcision — a new‑covenant work done without hands, performed by Christ Himself, exactly as promised in Matt 3:11.)

Finally:
The only thing that removes sin from the soul is FAITH placed in the finished, sacrificial, sin‑atoning work of our great God & Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.

 

[homwardbound]

Acts 4:12 declares that salvation is found in no one else and in no other name under heaven. God has given only one saving name — the name of Jesus Christ. There is no second option, no alternate path, no ritual substitute & no competing authority.

THE SUPREME NAME: Higher Than Angels, Higher Than All Creation, Confessed by Every Knee

Matt 28:18 Jesus said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

Phil 2:9 God has highly exalted Him and given Him the name above every name.

Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, power, might, dominion & every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Heb 1:4 He has inherited a name more excellent than the angels.

Col 2:9-10 All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him bodily; He is the head of all principality and power.

Heb 1:4 He has inherited a name more excellent than the angels.

JESUS NAME IS THE AGENT OF SALVATION
Jn 1:12 those who receive Him and believe in His name become children of God.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in His name is not condemned.
Jn 20:31 Life is found in His name.

FORGIVENESS IS THROUGH HIS NAME
Acts 10:43 everyone who believes in His name receives forgiveness of sins.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

SALVATION IS ACCESSED BY CALLING ON HIS NAME
Acts 2:21 whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Rom 10:13 everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Acts 22:16 calling on His name is the cleansing agent.

THE SPIRIT IS GIVEN IN HIS NAME
Jn 14:26 the Father sends the Spirit in My name.
(NOTE: The Spirit is salvations eternal seal.)

ETERNAL LIFE IS GRANTED FOR THE SAKE OF HIS NAME
1 Jn 2:12 Sins are forgiven for His name's sake.
1 Jn Believers in His name have eternal life.

ACCEPTANCE BEFORE GOD IS IN HIS NAME
Acts 4:12 salvation is in no other name under heaven.
Acts 5:41 They rejoice to suffer for the name

THE THEOLOGICAL CONCLUSION
The New Testament repeatedly attributes salvation, forgiveness, justification, sanctification, the gift of the Holy Spirit & eternal life to the NAME of Jesus.
not to water, not to rituals, not to tongues.

The NAME is the saving agent. The Spirit is the applying agent. Water never appears as the cause of salvation in any of the posts passages.

Rituals don't take away sin, water doesn't take away sin, speaking in tongues doesn't take away sin, good works don't take away sin.

Heb 9:22 Blood is the working agent that takes away sin

Jn 1:29 (B) Behold the Lamb of God, """""which taketh away the sin of the world."""""

Only Faith placed in the finished sacrificial sin atoning work of God's Lamb/Jesus Christ takes away sin.

Attention ritual promoters:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

(NOTE: Calling on the NAME is the operative saving agent. The water is a commanded act of obedience, a public confession, an outward identification with His death & resurrection. It marks the beginning of discipleship, not the means of salvation.)

Jesus NAME is 1st cause the only Way, the Truth & He alone hold the keys to eternal life. Amen

The way, the truth, the new life in the risen Christ offered us all
Believe , recieve and see, then decide if you see to carry on Col 1:21-23
thank you for your post in truth

 

[Nedsk]

You're claiming Peter said "water saves," but Peter explicitly said the opposite.

Peter literally says:
"""NOT the removal of dirt from the body""" > that is the water > Peter says """the water does NOT save""", but """the appeal to God""" for a good conscience" > that is the inward faith response > Peter says this is what corresponds to salvation > """THROUGH the resurrection of Jesus Christ""". < That is the saving power > not the water, not the ritual.

Peter gives a NOT this / BUT this contrast:
NOT the physical water, BUT the inward appeal, THROUGH the resurrection. You're claiming the "NOT' is the saving agent. Peter says the "NOT" is "NOT" the saving agent.

The Noah Typology Also Refutes You
Peter's own analogy: The water killed the world! Noah was """saved from the water""". The ark is the saving figure (Christ). Water = judgment > Ark = salvation. Peter isn't teaching water‑saves. He is teaching Christ‑saves.

You said, "Peter said water." NO! Peter said: NOT the water, BUT the appeal, THROUGH the resurrection.

You said, "He didn't say NAME, didn't say BLOOD, didn't say SPIRIT."
But the New Testament does:
The NAME saves, Acts 4:12; Rom 10:13; Acts 22:16
The BLOOD removes sin, Heb 9:22; Jn 1:29
The HOLY SPIRIT seals salvation, Eph 1:13; Jn 14:26. You haven't answered a single one of these.

The Question Still Stands. Where does the New Testament ever say that WATER, not the NAME, not the BLOOD, not the HOLY SPIRIT > is the saving agent?

I'm not claiming anything I am telling you want scripture says.

 

[NightTwister]

You must be blind.

John 3:5
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

This has been a recording.

 

[NightTwister]

John 3:5
Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

This is the definition of trolling.

 

[Aaron56]

It's remarkable how many Christians place a water baptism ritual in the position of 1st importance. As if it were the cause of salvation.

Scripture proclaims: "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22). Under the covenant of circumcision, millions of sacrifices were offered.

For millennia, God required innocent blood to atone for sin. Scripture declares that all have sinned (Rom 3:23) & that the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23).

A sinless Savior (2 Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1 Jn 3:5, 1 Pet 1:19, 1 Pet 2:22) willingly gave Himself (Matt 26:53).

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

What the Lord Jesus suffered on Calvary is beyond imagination & His resurrection is the Father's public declaration that Christ’s sin‑atoning sacrifice was accepted

Sadly, I see many diminishing what He endured by elevating a water ritual performed by man above His loving, blood‑bought gift to humanity.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

JESUS: PREEMINENT IN ALL THINGS!

Creation: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6

"""""Redemption: Gal 3:13, Rev 5:9, Col 1:14, Rom3:24"""""

Resurrection: Jn 11:25, Acts 4:33, 1Pet 1:3 & 3:21

Mediation: 1 Tim 2:5, Heb 8:6, 9:15, 12:24

Judgment: Jn 5:22, Rom 2:16, 2 Tim 4:1

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
(NOTE: John the Baptist clearly distinguished his water baptism from Christ's baptism with the Holy Spirit.)

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized “Spirit” to indicate the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit.)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: Old‑covenant circumcision was physical, done with human hands. Spirit baptism is a spiritual circumcision — a new‑covenant work done without hands, performed by Christ Himself, exactly as promised in Matt 3:11.)

Finally:
The only thing that removes sin from the soul is FAITH placed in the finished, sacrificial, sin‑atoning work of our great God & Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.

I see the water baptism of Jesus differently.

Jesus getting baptized in water by John was to fulfill the requirement of the Levitical law. It was not theater. He did it to remain innocent of the Law's accusations.

John was a Levitical Priest. Jesus was presenting Himself as the Lamb of God, as John even said "Behold, the Lamb of God...!"

For the Passover lamb, Exodus is clear about its qualifications: "Your lamb shall be without blemish..." This is both inward and outward purity.

Under the Law, only the Levitical priests could present the sacrifice to God. So the greatest Levitical priest, John, sees the Lamb of God, declares the truth of the Lamb, washes the Lamb of any outward blemish, and God immediately declares the Lamb worthy:

“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” All witnesses who heard immediately knew the sacrifice was accepted.

Jesus and John, only, were the ones "fulfilling all righteousness" at that time because the standard at that time was the law. So when Jesus said “We must do this to fulfill all righteousness” Jesus meant “You and I: John the Levitical priest and Jesus the Lamb to be sacrificed.

By this moment, Jesus demonstrated the length and depth of His commitment to us, whom He loved: He would give up His own life for our sake.

Again, not theater but, rather, a clear declaration of the His Father's plan for His life.

Our water baptism is into His actual death. We don't get dunked in water to fulfill righteousness. By believing in Christ we are included in Him (the Holy Spirit is the One who places us in His Body) And the right for Death to take us was done away with by His sacrifice. This is what this passage in Romans means:

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

See His connection to the Passover Lamb, again?! And see how, in Christ, we are found innocent of sin: through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe? This was the example we were given: the sin of all rests on the Passover lamb: Death has no right to take us.

It doesn't say "believe and is baptized"... just "believe".

It cannot be more clear.

We get dunked in water to (I'm paraphrasing here to take it out of a religious-sounding act) to declare we are dead with Him from the law of sin and death that accuses us and condemn us. The law has no bearing on a dead person. The promise of NEW is life from God: the SAME LIFE Christ received when He was raised from the dead.

In this: HE is the propitiation. Not He and our water baptism. He. Him. Christ, the Lamb of God. Through faith all who believe this enter into Him, the Spirit immersing us in His Body, and are thereby included in the One who personified the righteousness of God.

Does baptism in water save us? Yes, but not to go to heaven when we die. It saves us from a guilty conscience before God and from the pursuit of our enemies, the spiritual powers of darkness. A dead man cannot be condemned by the Law. And one given the “new life in Christ Jesus” is reconciled to God as God’s own son: a son within the Son.

So, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

 

[FlyingDove]

John 20:21-23

"Peace be with yo, Jesus said to the again . "As the Father has sent me, so I send you. After saying this, he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Hilt Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven. If you retain anyone's sin, they are retained."

John 20:21–23 doesn't address salvation in the NAME, the remission of sins through faith, or the exclusivity of Christ.

John 20:21–23 isn't the new covenants forever-indwelling salvation-sealing Holy Spirit event that begins at Acts 2 Pentecost

John 20:21–23 Jesus breathes on the disciples & says, "Receive the Holy Spirit". This is a temporary, mission‑specific empowerment & not the permanent New Covenant indwelling..

The Same pattern is found throughout the Old testament:

Judges 6:34, Gideon "The Spirit of the LORD clothed Gideon." Temporary empowerment for leadership.

Judges 14:6, Samson "The Spirit of the LORD rushed upon him" Temporary supernatural strength

1 Samuel 10:10, Saul "The Spirit of God came upon him & he prophesied." Temporary prophetic empowerment

1 Samuel 16:14, Saul The Spirit of the LORD ""DEPARTED"" from Saul. The OT ""coming upon"" isn't the NT forever indwelling (Jn 14:16), salvation SEALING (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) NT Holy Spirit Baptism.

John 20:21–23 Is a temporary empowerment event & NOT the new covenant Baptism by/with/in the Holy Spirit that only Jesus performs (Matt 3:11).

How we know this:

Jn 7:39 But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.

Jesus Himself says the Holy Spirits New Covenant ministry COULD NOT begin until His glorification was complete.

The New Covenant Timeline (Hebrews)

The New Covenant is ratified in Jesus sinless blood at His death (Matt 26:28) & inaugurated at His resurrection. According to Hebrews, the New Covenant does not become fully operational until Jesus ascends, enters the heavenly sanctuary, presents His own blood (Heb 9:12), begins His priestly intercession & then sits down at the right hand of God. Redemptive mission is complete.

Only after this completed glorification does the Holy Spirit's New Covenant ministry begin. Pentecost is not random, it is the exact moment the New Covenant is activated & the Holy Spirit is poured out as the permanent seal of salvation.

 

[Nedsk]

John 20:21–23 doesn't address salvation in the NAME, the remission of sins through faith, or the exclusivity of Christ.

John 20:21–23 isn't the new covenants forever-indwelling salvation-sealing Holy Spirit event that begins at Acts 2 Pentecost

John 20:21–23 Jesus breathes on the disciples & says, "Receive the Holy Spirit". This is a temporary, mission‑specific empowerment & not the permanent New Covenant indwelling..

The Same pattern is found throughout the Old testament:

Judges 6:34, Gideon "The Spirit of the LORD clothed Gideon." Temporary empowerment for leadership.

Judges 14:6, Samson "The Spirit of the LORD rushed upon him" Temporary supernatural strength

1 Samuel 10:10, Saul "The Spirit of God came upon him & he prophesied." Temporary prophetic empowerment

1 Samuel 16:14, Saul The Spirit of the LORD ""DEPARTED"" from Saul. The OT ""coming upon"" isn't the NT forever indwelling (Jn 14:16), salvation SEALING (Eph 1:13-14, 4:30, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5, 2 Tim 1:14) NT Holy Spirit Baptism.

John 20:21–23 Is a temporary empowerment event & NOT the new covenant Baptism by/with/in the Holy Spirit that only Jesus performs (Matt 3:11).

How we know this:

Jn 7:39 But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.

Jesus Himself says the Holy Spirits New Covenant ministry COULD NOT begin until His glorification was complete.

The New Covenant Timeline (Hebrews)

The New Covenant is ratified in Jesus sinless blood at His death (Matt 26:28) & inaugurated at His resurrection. According to Hebrews, the New Covenant does not become fully operational until Jesus ascends, enters the heavenly sanctuary, presents His own blood (Heb 9:12), begins His priestly intercession & then sits down at the right hand of God. Redemptive mission is complete.

Only after this completed glorification does the Holy Spirit's New Covenant ministry begin. Pentecost is not random, it is the exact moment the New Covenant is activated & the Holy Spirit is poured out as the permanent seal of salvation.

Volume of content doesn't carry the discussion. I showed you where scripture directly gives you what you asked for.

 

[FlyingDove]

Jehovah means physical salvation and physical blessings.

Jesus means spiritual salvation and spiritual blessings.

Jesus is the name above all names not only in this world but in the world to come.

Jesus is above the name Jehovah but includes it.

Jesus is the only name under heaven given for salvation.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not names but titles and the name is singular which is Jesus.

The Bible says everything we do in word and deed do all in the name of Jesus.

So why would we baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Jesus said the words He speaks are the Father's words.

The Father spoke to the Jews and revealed His new name Jesus.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Jesus came in His Father's name.

Jesus is the name of the Father.

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The Son inherited the name from the Father.

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

The Father and Son will share the same name.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Jews baptized in the name of Jesus.

Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Samaritans baptized in the name of Jesus.

Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Gentiles baptized in the name of Jesus.

The New Testament attributes salvation, forgiveness, justification, sanctification, the gift of the Spirit & eternal life to the NAME of Jesus—not to water.
You listed:
Jesus' authority, Jesus' supremacy, Jesus' inheritance of the divine name, the Spirit coming in Jesus' name, baptisms performed in Jesus' name. All of that is true. None of that proves that water is the saving agent.

The issue is not whether Jesus' name is supreme. We agree. The issue is what the NAME does & what WATER does not do.
Faith in the NAME saves (Acts 4:12). Faith in the NAME forgives (Acts 10:43). Faith in the NAME justifies (1 Cor 6:11). Faith in the NAME cleanses (Acts 22:16). Faith in the NAME grants life (Jn 20:31). Faith in the NAME seals with the Spirit (Jn 14:26). Faith in the NAME is called upon for salvation (Rom 10:13). Water is never the cause of salvation in any of those passages.

Acts 2:1–4 + Acts 10 = The Complete Destruction of the Sacramental Framework!

Acts 2:1–4 shows the Holy Spirit coming without water.

Acts 10 shows:
Forgiveness through His name (vs. 43), the Spirit given before water (vs. 44), acceptance by God before water (vs. 35), tongues before water (vs. 46), Peter commanding water after salvation (vs. 47–48)

Put together, the pattern is unmistakable:
The NAME saves. The BLOOD cleanses. The HOLY SPIRIT seals. Water follows & it never causes.

Acts 2 destroys the idea that water is required for receiving the Spirit. Acts 10 destroys the idea that water is required for salvation. Together they destroy the entire promoted sacramental system.

THE TEXT THAT ENDS THE DEBATE: ACTS 10
Before Peter ever mentions water:
Cornelius Hears the gospel > Believes > Receives forgiveness through belief in His name (Acts 10:43) > Receives the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:44) > Speaks in tongues (Acts 10:46) & is declared acceptable to God (Acts 10:35) & ALL of this happens BEFORE water.

So water cannot be the cause of:
Salvation > Forgiveness > Justification > Receiving the Spirit or > Acceptance before God. Peter only commands water after salvation has already occurred (Acts 10:47–48). Your entire list of verses about Jesus' name actually supports this > not the opposite.

ABOUT MATTHEW 28:19
You argued: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles, not names.

But Matthew 28:19 is not a baptismal formula—it is a mission directive.
The apostles obeyed it by:
Preaching the Father who sent the Son . Preaching the Son who died & rose > Preaching the Holy Spirit who seals > Baptizing converts in the name of Jesus, the saving name. This is exactly what Acts records. But again, this thread is not about formula. It's about cause!

THE THEOLOGICAL POINT YOU DID NOT ADDRESS
You never touched the central claim:
The NAME is the saving agent. The BLOOD is the cleansing agent. The HOLY SPIRIT is the sealing agent. Water is the obedience response & NOT the CAUSE of salvation.

Your reply affirms the supremacy of Jesus' name, but it does not show:
That water removes sin, that water causes salvation, that water precedes forgiveness, that water precedes the Holy Spirit, that water is the cleansing agent, that water is the means of justification, that water is the means of eternal life

Because Scripture never says any of those things!

THE BOTTOM LINE
Your verses exalt Jesus' name. So does mine. But the New Testament never attributes salvation to water. It attributes salvation to Faith in the NAME, applied by the HOLY SPIRIT, on the basis of the BLOOD.

Acts 10 remains the immovable wall:
Forgiveness through Faith in His name, Holy Spirit given, Salvation complete > ALL before water. That's the apostolic order.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It's remarkable how many Christians place a water baptism ritual in the position of 1st importance. As if it were the cause of salvation.

Scripture proclaims: "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission" (Heb 9:22). Under the covenant of circumcision, millions of sacrifices were offered.

For millennia, God required innocent blood to atone for sin. Scripture declares that all have sinned (Rom 3:23) & that the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23).

A sinless Savior (2 Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, 1 Jn 3:5, 1 Pet 1:19, 1 Pet 2:22) willingly gave Himself (Matt 26:53).

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

What the Lord Jesus suffered on Calvary is beyond imagination & His resurrection is the Father's public declaration that Christ’s sin‑atoning sacrifice was accepted

Sadly, I see many diminishing what He endured by elevating a water ritual performed by man above His loving, blood‑bought gift to humanity.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

JESUS: PREEMINENT IN ALL THINGS!

Creation: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6

"""""Redemption: Gal 3:13, Rev 5:9, Col 1:14, Rom3:24"""""

Resurrection: Jn 11:25, Acts 4:33, 1Pet 1:3 & 3:21

Mediation: 1 Tim 2:5, Heb 8:6, 9:15, 12:24

Judgment: Jn 5:22, Rom 2:16, 2 Tim 4:1

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
(NOTE: John the Baptist clearly distinguished his water baptism from Christ's baptism with the Holy Spirit.)

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized “Spirit” to indicate the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with/in/by the Holy Spirit.)

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: Old‑covenant circumcision was physical, done with human hands. Spirit baptism is a spiritual circumcision — a new‑covenant work done without hands, performed by Christ Himself, exactly as promised in Matt 3:11.)

Finally:
The only thing that removes sin from the soul is FAITH placed in the finished, sacrificial, sin‑atoning work of our great God & Savior, Jesus Christ. Amen.

“It's remarkable how many Christians place a water baptism ritual in the position of 1st importance. As if it were the cause of salvation”

its more remarkable how many Christian’s try to remove baptism and it’s doctrine from Gods plan of salvation

By claiming if anyone accepts that doctrine they somehow are making it “ more important than anything else “ it’s the same circles people always use to dismiss doctrine

Acknowledging that baptism is part of gods doctrine and means what the word says it does , isn’t making it any more important that the scriptures do . The issue is trying to remove the doctrine that’s already there and means what it says it means . Like this

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a then some of the arguments here begin explaining why “ baptism has nothing to do with remission of sins or “ baptism has nothing to do with water “ or “ there are many baptisms ect ect

The explainations are always contrary to the explainations clewrly made in the Bible aboit subjects like baptism or whether “baptism involved water “ or whether there are many different baptisms ect ect

the truth is no one is adding anything to doctrine

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but many spin circles trying to remove all the things Christian’s are taught to actually do and what those things actually mean

The Bible teaches people the meaning of baptism , communion all of those things are based on belief of Jesus Christ and also his death and resurrection . There is no reason to work so hard to try to remove or change the meanings of things like baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name which happens to be by gods design , done in water.

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. ( preach the gospel ) And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. ( whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved ) And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s no reason to try to remove doctrine or explain that if anyone acknowledges what it says they are making it more important than anything else . The question really is why do so many want to remove all the doctrine designed and given by God ?

things like baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name is a gift things like communion with the body and blood of Jesus is a gift . No one ever would have even thought “ do we really need to get baptized ?” There’s no reason to even suggest anything other than baptism given by god for remission of sins to believers of jesus

The only reason it becomes an issue is because some stert exolaining why it’s not needed whi it doesn’t really mean what it says it means why “ water baptism “ isn’t really baptism lol as of Jesus and all His followers somehow got baptism wrong

some work hard to remove baptism but others accept what it clearly teaches baptism is for

 

[FlyingDove]

“It's remarkable how many Christians place a water baptism ritual in the position of 1st importance. As if it were the cause of salvation”

its more remarkable how many Christian’s try to remove baptism and it’s doctrine from Gods plan of salvation

By claiming if anyone accepts that doctrine they somehow are making it “ more important than anything else “ it’s the same circles people always use to dismiss doctrine

Acknowledging that baptism is part of gods doctrine and means what the word says it does , isn’t making it any more important that the scriptures do . The issue is trying to remove the doctrine that’s already there and means what it says it means . Like this

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a then some of the arguments here begin explaining why “ baptism has nothing to do with remission of sins or “ baptism has nothing to do with water “ or “ there are many baptisms ect ect

The explainations are always contrary to the explainations clewrly made in the Bible aboit subjects like baptism or whether “baptism involved water “ or whether there are many different baptisms ect ect

the truth is no one is adding anything to doctrine

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but many spin circles trying to remove all the things Christian’s are taught to actually do and what those things actually mean

The Bible teaches people the meaning of baptism , communion all of those things are based on belief of Jesus Christ and also his death and resurrection . There is no reason to work so hard to try to remove or change the meanings of things like baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name which happens to be by gods design , done in water.

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. ( preach the gospel ) And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. ( whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved ) And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s no reason to try to remove doctrine or explain that if anyone acknowledges what it says they are making it more important than anything else . The question really is why do so many want to remove all the doctrine designed and given by God ?

things like baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name is a gift things like communion with the body and blood of Jesus is a gift . No one ever would have even thought “ do we really need to get baptized ?” There’s no reason to even suggest anything other than baptism given by god for remission of sins to believers of jesus

The only reason it becomes an issue is because some stert exolaining why it’s not needed whi it doesn’t really mean what it says it means why “ water baptism “ isn’t really baptism lol as of Jesus and all His followers somehow got baptism wrong

some work hard to remove baptism but others accept what it clearly teaches baptism is for

You quoted a lot of verses about baptism, but you didn't answer the actual issue: What does Scripture say remits sin?

You keep assuming baptism = remission, but you never show where the Bible defines it that way. You're building your doctrine on assumption, not exegesis. Let's go back to the verses that actually define remission.

Heb 9:22, Remission requires blood, not water. "Without shedding of blood is no remission." You still haven’t explained why God says remission requires blood if water supposedly does it.

Acts 10:43, Remission is given to the one who believes. "Whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins." Peter ties remission to belief, not baptism. You never addressed this.

Acts 10:44–48, The Holy Spirit was given before water. God gave the salvation‑seal before baptism, without baptism, apart from baptism. If water remits sins, why did God give the Holy Spirit 1st? You didn't answer this either.

1 Peter 3:21, Peter removes water as the saving agent. Peter literally says the saving element is: "Not the removal of dirt from the body, but the appeal to God." You quoted the verse but ignored Peter's explanation.

Acts 22:16, The operative action is calling, not water. "Wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts ties salvation to calling (2:21), believing (10:43), never to water. You didn't address this.

The entire biblical pattern. Law: water purified the body; blood removed sin. John: preparatory, not remissive. Jesus: forgiveness tied to faith. Acts: remission tied to belief. Nothing in Scripture ever says water removes sin. Not once.

Not in the Law, not in the Prophets, not in the Gospels, not in Acts, not in the Epistles.

Quoting verses that mention baptism is not the same as proving baptism remits sin. You're not defending doctrine - you're defending a tradition that collapses the moment you let Scripture define remission instead of assuming it.
Whenever you're ready, answer the actual question:
What does the Bible say remits sin > water or blood? Because every verse that defines remission says blood.

The most powerful being. The cup we're commanded to drink from:

Matt 26 should remove any doubts. Jesus Himself defines what brings remission. He takes the cup & declares that His blood is the blood of the new covenant, poured out for the remission of sins. Not water. Not ritual. Not human action. His blood.
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I'm not arguing whether baptism is commanded - Jesus & Peter both command water baptism as an act of obedience, identification & discipleship. That's not the issue.

The issue is much narrower & much more important:

When Jesus speaks of salvation, He attributes it to:
Believing in Him (Jn 3:16), believing in His name (Jn 3:18), coming to Him (Jn 6:35), hearing His word & believing the Father (Jn 5:24), the Son giving eternal life (Jn 10:28). Jesus never says water removes sin, regenerates, or saves.

 

[homwardbound]

“It's remarkable how many Christians place a water baptism ritual in the position of 1st importance. As if it were the cause of salvation”

its more remarkable how many Christian’s try to remove baptism and it’s doctrine from Gods plan of salvation

By claiming if anyone accepts that doctrine they somehow are making it “ more important than anything else “ it’s the same circles people always use to dismiss doctrine

Acknowledging that baptism is part of gods doctrine and means what the word says it does , isn’t making it any more important that the scriptures do . The issue is trying to remove the doctrine that’s already there and means what it says it means . Like this

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a then some of the arguments here begin explaining why “ baptism has nothing to do with remission of sins or “ baptism has nothing to do with water “ or “ there are many baptisms ect ect

The explainations are always contrary to the explainations clewrly made in the Bible aboit subjects like baptism or whether “baptism involved water “ or whether there are many different baptisms ect ect

the truth is no one is adding anything to doctrine

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but many spin circles trying to remove all the things Christian’s are taught to actually do and what those things actually mean

The Bible teaches people the meaning of baptism , communion all of those things are based on belief of Jesus Christ and also his death and resurrection . There is no reason to work so hard to try to remove or change the meanings of things like baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name which happens to be by gods design , done in water.

“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. ( preach the gospel ) And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. ( whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved ) And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:35-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There’s no reason to try to remove doctrine or explain that if anyone acknowledges what it says they are making it more important than anything else . The question really is why do so many want to remove all the doctrine designed and given by God ?

things like baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name is a gift things like communion with the body and blood of Jesus is a gift . No one ever would have even thought “ do we really need to get baptized ?” There’s no reason to even suggest anything other than baptism given by god for remission of sins to believers of jesus

The only reason it becomes an issue is because some stert exolaining why it’s not needed whi it doesn’t really mean what it says it means why “ water baptism “ isn’t really baptism lol as of Jesus and all His followers somehow got baptism wrong

some work hard to remove baptism but others accept what it clearly teaches baptism is for

Apply, truth, Spirit or water
This baptism is found in the following verse: “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11).
When did this Happen
Acts 1:1-5
introduces the Book of Acts, summarizing Jesus' post-resurrection appearances (40 days) to his chosen apostles, where He taught about God's kingdom and commanded them to remain in Jerusalem to await the Father's promise: baptism with the Holy Spirit, a promise John the Baptist foreshadowed with water baptism.

One Lord, one faith, one baptism" is
a key phrase from Ephesians 4:5 in the Bible, emphasizing the foundational unity of Christianity around Jesus (the Lord), shared core beliefs, and the single, spiritual cleansing of baptism that brings believers into Christ, calling for believers to maintain unity in the Spirit despite diverse gifts. It highlights singular aspects of Christian identity—Jesus as the sole master, a unified belief system, and one spiritual initiation—as a basis for church unity.
Context in Ephesians 4:

• The passage (Ephesians 4:4-6) lists several "ones": one body, one Spirit, one hope, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father.
• This sets the stage for Paul's exhortation in the following verses for Christians to live in unity and peace, using their diverse spiritual gifts to build up the church

 

[Ouch]

Acts 4:12 declares that salvation is found in no one else and in no other name under heaven. God has given only one saving name — the name of Jesus Christ. There is no second option, no alternate path, no ritual substitute & no competing authority.

THE SUPREME NAME: Higher Than Angels, Higher Than All Creation, Confessed by Every Knee

Matt 28:18 Jesus said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

Phil 2:9 God has highly exalted Him and given Him the name above every name.

Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, power, might, dominion & every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Heb 1:4 He has inherited a name more excellent than the angels.

Col 2:9-10 All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him bodily; He is the head of all principality and power.

Heb 1:4 He has inherited a name more excellent than the angels.

JESUS NAME IS THE AGENT OF SALVATION
Jn 1:12 those who receive Him and believe in His name become children of God.
Jn 3:18 Whoever believes in His name is not condemned.
Jn 20:31 Life is found in His name.

FORGIVENESS IS THROUGH HIS NAME
Acts 10:43 everyone who believes in His name receives forgiveness of sins.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

SALVATION IS ACCESSED BY CALLING ON HIS NAME
Acts 2:21 whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Rom 10:13 everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Acts 22:16 calling on His name is the cleansing agent.

THE SPIRIT IS GIVEN IN HIS NAME
Jn 14:26 the Father sends the Spirit in My name.
(NOTE: The Spirit is salvations eternal seal.)

ETERNAL LIFE IS GRANTED FOR THE SAKE OF HIS NAME
1 Jn 2:12 Sins are forgiven for His name's sake.
1 Jn Believers in His name have eternal life.

ACCEPTANCE BEFORE GOD IS IN HIS NAME
Acts 4:12 salvation is in no other name under heaven.
Acts 5:41 They rejoice to suffer for the name

THE THEOLOGICAL CONCLUSION
The New Testament repeatedly attributes salvation, forgiveness, justification, sanctification, the gift of the Holy Spirit & eternal life to the NAME of Jesus.
not to water, not to rituals, not to tongues.

The NAME is the saving agent. The Spirit is the applying agent. Water never appears as the cause of salvation in any of the posts passages.

Rituals don't take away sin, water doesn't take away sin, speaking in tongues doesn't take away sin, good works don't take away sin.

Heb 9:22 Blood is the working agent that takes away sin

Jn 1:29 (B) Behold the Lamb of God, """""which taketh away the sin of the world."""""

Only Faith placed in the finished sacrificial sin atoning work of God's Lamb/Jesus Christ takes away sin.

Attention ritual promoters:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

(NOTE: Calling on the NAME is the operative saving agent. The water is a commanded act of obedience, a public confession, an outward identification with His death & resurrection. It marks the beginning of discipleship, not the means of salvation.)

Jesus NAME is 1st cause the only Way, the Truth & He alone hold the keys to eternal life. Amen

JESUS SIAD, JESUS SAID in,

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

NEED BOTH of which you are missing.

You logic is like playing golf and never putting the ball in the hole.

You share a lot of HIS word and miss how we get rid of our sins and JESUS filling us with the Holy Ghost.

Satan's plan, keep them out of the water and if they get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.

Satan knows what happens in the water, sad you don't.