This is how to follow the Lord Jesus. Who can explain?

[Dino246]

Luke 18:18-22 is a commandment of Jesus so that we can follow him.

What is the clear understanding of man in this commandment?
How to obey this commandment in our generation?

This passage is not a commandment. It is narrative; a written record of actual events that happened in history. It's not a parable either, by the way.

This is one specific case that is instructive for all readers. Are we all "commanded" to go, sell everything, and give the money to the poor, then come and follow Jesus"? No.

 

[Godsgood]

This is how this particular man needed to follow Christ. The principle is to surrender all to Christ, to use as it He wills and to be His stewards of what we have given to Him, relying upon Him to provide our daily needs.

Selling all we have and giving it to the poor in order to follow Jesus is not a general command to every Christian.

Selling all we have and giving it to the poor in order to follow Jesus is not a general command to every Christian
Is it because in our clearly understanding, this commandment can't be followed?

Remember there are chosen of God in the New Testament who are belong to a well to do family but never sold their properties and gave it to the poor. And yet they followed Jesus commandment.
MATTHEW 13:10-13
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

 

[PaulThomson]

Selling all we have and giving it to the poor in order to follow Jesus is not a general command to every Christian
Is it because in our clearly understanding, this commandment can't be followed?

No, I don't thing so. I think it's because each person's primary idol is different. Abraham's was Isaac. This man's was his wealth. Someone else's might be their career. If God can get us to hand over to Him our primary desire, then we will be willing to give Him all the lesser ones. Then He becomes our chief desire. Paul says we can give away all we have to the poor and still be lost. Because loving God first and loving others second is the Way.

 

[Godsgood]

This passage is not a commandment. It is narrative; a written record of actual events that happened in history. It's not a parable either, by the way.

This is one specific case that is instructive for all readers. Are we all "commanded" to go, sell everything, and give the money to the poor, then come and follow Jesus"? No.

This is what the ruler did. He used human intellect to understand the words of Lord Jesus. Because he never believe that Jesus is speaking in parables (Mark 4:34) (Matthew 13:10-13)
And so his answer in the commandment of Jesus is NO!
LUKE:18
23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

At the same time the ruler never believe on what God the Father said. And so he never trusted God.
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

 

[Inquisitor]

LUKE 18:18-22
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

A good narration to quote.

Folk that don't read the surrounding context will think they must obey the 10 commandments.

Or they may think that they have wealth and their doomed.

Reading about the rich young ruler in the given context will tell us what Jesus was saying.

Luke 18
A ruler questioned Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone. You know the commandments, ‘Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.’” And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.” When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God! For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” They who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?” But He said, “The things that are impossible with people are possible with God.”

Forget trying to be good enough and turn to God for all things are possible with God.

Even immortality by calling on the name of Jesus.

 

[Dino246]

This is what the ruler did. He used human intellect to understand the words of Lord Jesus. Because he never believe that Jesus is speaking in parables

And so his answer in the commandment of Jesus is NO!

At the same time the ruler never believe on what God the Father said. And so he never trusted God.

You invent stories to support your erroneous beliefs.

 

[Inquisitor]

No, I don't thing so. I think it's because each person's primary idol is different. Abraham's was Isaac. This man's was his wealth. Someone else's might be their career. If God can get us to hand over to Him our primary desire, then we will be willing to give Him all the lesser ones. Then He becomes our chief desire. Paul says we can give away all we have to the poor and still be lost. Because loving God first and loving others second is the Way.

Well done PaulThomson.

Treating well, loving others, bearing their burdens, fulfills the law and the prophets according to Jesus and Paul.

Matthew 7:12
In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Romans 13:8-10
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves another has fulfilled the law.

What could be easier?

Given that love is poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

Luke 18:18-22 is a commandment of Jesus so that we can follow him.

What is the clear understanding of man in this commandment?
How to obey this commandment in our generation?

Precious friend, Great Question; with God's Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided, The Understanding? 'Which' and 'how' should I follow/obey?:

A) Christ, on the earth, To Israel, 12 apostles, Under The Law/covenants
/Prophecy, He Plainly and Clearly "Taught them faith PLUS works!":

1) Repent (change mind about sin/agree With God "it is Wrong!") or perish
(Mark 1:4; Luke 13:3, 5, 24:47)
+
2) believe the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mark 1:14-15)
+
3) be water baptized "For the remission of sin" (Mark 1:4 Luke 3:3, 7:29-30, 24:47;
Act 2:38)
+
4) "show works meet for repentance" (Matthew 3:8), because,
+
5) "to the twelve tribes of Israel," "faith Without works is dead!!"
(James 1:1, 2:17, 26)
+
6) "keep the commandments" to "enter life" (Matthew 19:17)
+
7) "one thing thou lackest...sell ALL/take up cross/follow Jesus"

(Mark 10:17-23; Luke 18:18-22 cp Acts 2:45, 4:34-37 AV)​

+ ( cp "zealous of the law" Acts 21:20, 22:12 AV)​

​

Twelve tribes of Israel with "faith plus works"

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

B) For The Body Of Christ, Christ Gave One apostle, Paul, Plain and Clear!:

"For By Grace Are ye Saved Through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is The​

Gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9 AV)​

​

In God's "Revelation Of The Mystery" By Christ, From Heaven, Salvation Is
By "Grace Through faith" Alone! (Also cp Romans 3-5, 11:6 and Titus 3:4-7 AV)
+
"By faith which worketh by love" (Galatians 5:6 AV):

Work with my hands to "give to them in need," and The LORD "shall supply all my need"
(Ephesians 4:28; 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12; 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12; 1 Timothy 5:8)
(cp "works that receive rewards": 1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)

Or:

C) Do I speak after following the Many, who homogenize A) + B) into
Massive Confusion?

Final question would be: Which Option, Under Grace Today, should I take
To Honor and Glorify God, Who Plainly and Clear Says in Romans 11:6:

"And if By Grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise​

Grace is no more Grace. But if it be of works, then is it​

no more Grace: otherwise work is no more work."​

Amen.

Extra Related study Bonus:

UnScriptural or UNdispensational?

Conclusion:
Big Difference between "Grace In a dispensation" and

"The ( Current [ our generation ] ) Dispensation Of The Grace Of God, eh?

Amen.

Bonus:

Agreement With The Gospel?

And, precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

 

[Journey_man]

Luke 18:18-22 is a commandment of Jesus so that we can follow him.

What is the clear understanding of man in this commandment?
How to obey this commandment in our generation?

Luke 18:18-22 is not a commandment of Jesus so we can follow Him.

Most Theologians would say that, Luke 18:18-22 was spoken directly to the rich young ruler, so it wasn't a general commandment to everyone.

I can't imagine a Church Minister asking his congregation to sell all they have and give it to the poor. The Church would be empty in minutes, because the Bible never ever teaches any such thing.

There's nothing wrong with being rich, as long as you don't place your trust in your riches.
The Lord Jesus, knew that the rich young ruler was not a believer because he worshipped the god of mammon, and He knows that those who are blinded and enslaved by the god of this world can't change who they are.

 

[Godsgood]

Luke 18:18-22 is not a commandment of Jesus so we can follow Him.

Most Theologians would say that, Luke 18:18-22 was spoken directly to the rich young ruler, so it wasn't a general commandment to everyone.

I can't imagine a Church Minister asking his congregation to sell all they have and give it to the poor. The Church would be empty in minutes, because the Bible never ever teaches any such thing.

There's nothing wrong with being rich, as long as you don't place your trust in your riches.
The Lord Jesus, knew that the rich young ruler was not a believer because he worshipped the god of mammon, and He knows that those who are blinded and enslaved by the god of this world can't change who they are.

Most Theologians would say that, Luke 18:18-22 was spoken directly to the rich young ruler, so it wasn't a general commandment to everyone.
If it is not a commandment to everyone. What is the use of the words of God in our generation today?

 

[Godsgood]

This passage is not a commandment. It is narrative; a written record of actual events that happened in history. It's not a parable either, by the way.

This is one specific case that is instructive for all readers. Are we all "commanded" to go, sell everything, and give the money to the poor, then come and follow Jesus"? No.

Yes we are all commanded to follow this commandment or else this words of God is useless in our generation.

 

[Dino246]

Yes we are all commanded to follow this commandment or else this words of God is useless in our generation.

You continue to display your near-total ignorance regarding the application of Scripture.

 

[Godsgood]

You continue to display your near-total ignorance regarding the application of Scripture.

The Commandments of God has been written in a book (Holy Bible) because they are intended to any generations.

We can't ignore them and say they are commandments in the new testament and not for us. Or else.
ROMANS 2:12
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

 

[Journey_man]

Most Theologians would say that, Luke 18:18-22 was spoken directly to the rich young ruler, so it wasn't a general commandment to everyone.
If it is not a commandment to everyone. What is the use of the words of God in our generation today?

I believe Luke 18:18-22 does apply to us today, but not as a commandment. The lesson for us, is that nobody can inherit the Kingdom of God, by keeping the commandments.

Nobody has ever been able to keep the law/commandments, that's why it was necessary for the Lord Jesus to leave His heavenly abode and come into the world to do for us what we could not do for ourselves.

The rich young ruler was a "legalist", he thought that salvation is the reward for keeping the law or commandments. The Lord Jesus exposed his false theology, by asking him to do the impossible.

I'm sure that every one of us have our limit or deal braking requirement, where we draw the line and say I can't do that. The rich young rulers achilleas heal, was his love of money. But everybody has their own idol, which they can't surrender willingly. This is why God has to bring some kind of calamity or disaster, into the life of Christians who have hardened their hearts.

We find Israel turned it's back to God after He blessed them, this happened on several occasions. We see it happening in the Western World, the more people prosper, the more they distance themselves from God. The Lord Jesus said, "it's easier for a camel to pass throng a straw, then it is for a rich man to enter heaven".
He didn't say it's impossible, but it is extremely difficult for rich people to put their love of God, above their love of money.

 

[Dino246]

The Commandments of God has been written in a book (Holy Bible) because they are intended to any generations.

We can't ignore them and say they are commandments in the new testament and not for us. Or else.
ROMANS 2:12
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Meaningless blather.

 

[Godsgood]

The Commandments of God has been written in a book (Holy Bible) because they are intended to any generations.

We can't ignore them and say they are commandments in the new testament and not for us. Or else.
ROMANS 2:12
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

 

[Godsgood]

Meaningless blather.

You are convincing the readers to ignore the commandment of Jesus.
And whoever ignoring the commandment shall also be perished (Romans 2:12).
You are leading the readers into a ditch.

This passage is not a commandment. It is narrative; a written record of actual events that happened in history. It's not a parable either, by the way.
You want the readers to believe that it is not a commandment and so no need to follow it.
You are telling the readers that it is not parable as the ruler belief and so he did not follow it. As if you are saying that they must follow what the ruler did.
The ruler was not saved and so you want the readers not to be saved too.

This kind of action has noticed by Lord Jesus Christ to the Scribes & Pharisees.
They don't want to enter into the kingdom of heaven and with that they are shutting the door for those who want to enter.
MATTHEW 23:13
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

 

[Godsgood]

I believe Luke 18:18-22 does apply to us today, but not as a commandment. The lesson for us, is that nobody can inherit the Kingdom of God, by keeping the commandments.

Nobody has ever been able to keep the law/commandments, that's why it was necessary for the Lord Jesus to leave His heavenly abode and come into the world to do for us what we could not do for ourselves.

The rich young ruler was a "legalist", he thought that salvation is the reward for keeping the law or commandments. The Lord Jesus exposed his false theology, by asking him to do the impossible.

I'm sure that every one of us have our limit or deal braking requirement, where we draw the line and say I can't do that. The rich young rulers achilleas heal, was his love of money. But everybody has their own idol, which they can't surrender willingly. This is why God has to bring some kind of calamity or disaster, into the life of Christians who have hardened their hearts.

We find Israel turned it's back to God after He blessed them, this happened on several occasions. We see it happening in the Western World, the more people prosper, the more they distance themselves from God. The Lord Jesus said, "it's easier for a camel to pass throng a straw, then it is for a rich man to enter heaven".
He didn't say it's impossible, but it is extremely difficult for rich people to put their love of God, above their love of money.

When Jesus saying the commandments it is for everyone.
This is the reason why the Lord God ordered his chosen to wrire them. So that every generation could read God's commandment for the forgiveness of sin.
Now there is no reason for everyone to say they don't know the commandments.
Especially in today's technology. You can download the holy bible in your telephone.

God knows this will happen and so he emphasize his word.
ROMANS 2:12
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

 

[Dino246]

When Jesus saying the commandments it is for everyone.
This is the reason why the Lord God ordered his chosen to wrire them. So that every generation could read God's commandment for the forgiveness of sin.
Now there is no reason for everyone to say they don't know the commandments.
Especially in today's technology. You can download the holy bible in your telephone.

God knows this will happen and so he emphasize his word.
ROMANS 2:12
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

The core problem here is that you don’t know how to read the Bible.

You grab a couple of verses and conclude that every time God speaks, He is speaking in parables. That is simply wrong but you stubbornly stick to it.

You read where Jesus gave direction to one specific person in one specific case and you think it’s a “commandment” for everyone.

You consistently reject attempts at instruction. You continue to post “for the benefit of others” but you are posting your own uneducated opinions that contradict the wisdom of scholars.

Please, stop pretending that you have anything helpful to offer. You are just causing confusion. You need to learn before you attempt to teach.

 

[Docgero]

I am dee

I am very sorry for your circumstances . Know that u r not alone , many people , Christian and none , suffer daily for many years . God is always with u . I believe that our sufferings r a test of our faith . I have been in pain for 20 years , not like yours but still enough to seriously alter the course of my life . No children because I couldn't look after them , no decent job and eventually no job at all . No social life , no holidays and also ,no confidence , self esteem or sense of self worth . Being looked down on by family and friends etc . When u r ill or disabled u learn a lot about human nature and most of it isn't pleasant .
The only , only thing that has got me through all this is the love and mercy of God . Knowing that He sees me and loves means that I am His forever . These precious Truths r what get me out of bed every day with a smile on my face . Nothing else . Stay faithful and know He loves u sooo very very much . U shall c God's Kingdom u shall b a part of it . No pain no suffering just awesome beauty , peace and love for ever . Before I became ill , my childhood was horrendous also , but God got me through that too .